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Sheriff Joe Arpaio presented his case to the American people and stated that Barack Obama's long form birth certificate was forged. He called upon Congress to investigate. Should Congress investigate the alleged forgery?

Washington Times 2012/07/18 19:29:20
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  • BOUNTYQUEEN 2012/08/11 05:25:16
    Yes. It is the responsibility of Congress to investigate potentially criminal...
    BOUNTYQUEEN
    +3
    If it wasn't true Obama would just give the true proof. Since he won't it needs to be investigated. I think he's application to college should also be checked out...I think he lied on that too.

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  • John Br... Smitten... 2012/10/09 02:33:00
    John Brashear
    and obama wrote a book full of falsehoods, not to mention all the falsehood since........so whats your point ?
  • Smitten... John Br... 2012/10/10 02:04:10
  • jim.cap... mastiff... 2012/08/15 16:11:26
  • jim.cap... Smitten... 2012/08/15 16:06:28
    jim.caputo.35
    +2
    Calling Arpaio an "idiot" is raising his stature to an undeserving height. That man would have to devote more years to study than years he has left to rise to such a lofty accolade.
  • LEISUREAL Smitten... 2012/08/16 16:38:43
    LEISUREAL
    +1
    TYPICAL LEFT CHANGING OF DISCUSSION. I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE INDEFUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA DISPLAYED A FORGED BIRTH CERTIFICATE ON GOVERNMENT WEBSITE. ALSO, EVIDENCE OF HIS OTHER IDENTIFICATION ARTICLES-SUCH AS A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD THAT BELONGED TO A DEAD MAN. ALSO HIS SELECTIVE SERVICE I.D. APPEARS FRAUDULENT. HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED BEFORE YOU WILL EVEN OPEN YOUR EYES TO LOOK AT IT?
  • Smitten... LEISUREAL 2012/08/16 19:46:32
  • John Br... Smitten... 2012/10/09 02:21:57
    John Brashear
    +1
    UR, go check yourself into an institution....Romney has been vetted, and the REAL Birthers were the Clintons.......moron
  • Smitten... John Br... 2012/10/10 02:12:55
  • Simon Bennett-Odlum 2012/08/05 15:37:17
    Yes. It is the responsibility of Congress to investigate potentially criminal...
    Simon Bennett-Odlum
    +2
    There no smoke without a fire.if Sheriff Arpaio is right, and I suspect that he is right, then we MUST demand of the Congress, AND the media, supposedly the protectors of the fourth estate, that a complete and thoroughly honest investigation of the entire Obama phenomenon be carried out, including disclosure of ALL of his college/university records.

    We are now at point in our history where truth is being bypasses in favor of a very activist group of politicians who would warp American values to their will, and this must be stopped at all costs.
  • Dion Pr... Simon B... 2012/08/06 15:04:59
    Dion Prince
    you do know that the Hawaii registrar has already released official documents Verifying that Obama was born in HI and that the birth cert posted on the whitehouse website matches the records on file.
    this was sent to the Arizona secretarty of state ken bennet on May 22 of this year and the Mississippi Court on May 31 2012.

    case closed
  • John Br... Dion Pr... 2012/08/06 15:28:06
    John Brashear
    +1
    You do know, those are all Fakes, and the lady who supposedly signed obamas birth record says her name is forged ....you do know that dont you ?....no you just \know what the left tells you to know, the lefts talking points, the lefts propaganda, the lefts BS....and the rest of us....we aint buying it....

    Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.


    Notary seal on Timothy Adams’ affidavit
    Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.


    His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama’s birth-certificate records.

    See the movie Obama does not want you to see: Own the DVD that probes this unprecedented presidential-eligibility mystery!

    “During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1...






    You do know, those are all Fakes, and the lady who supposedly signed obamas birth record says her name is forged ....you do know that dont you ?....no you just \know what the left tells you to know, the lefts talking points, the lefts propaganda, the lefts BS....and the rest of us....we aint buying it....

    Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.


    Notary seal on Timothy Adams’ affidavit
    Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.


    His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama’s birth-certificate records.

    See the movie Obama does not want you to see: Own the DVD that probes this unprecedented presidential-eligibility mystery!

    “During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), “I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate.”

    As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.

    “Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health,” Adams’ affidavit reads, “and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government.”


    Case still OPEN....genius
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  • Dion Pr... John Br... 2012/08/06 15:37:06
    Dion Prince
    so the 90+ year old lady who signed the BC where a mistake was made claims she didnt make the mistake and that its forged, because she somehow remembers every birth cert she signed? really
    tim Adams didnt say a thing while he was at his post as an elections clerk. why not?
    Tim Adams NEVER mentioned the supposed supervisors name because he was lying
    Tim Adams NEVER mentioned that he looked for it heimslef (because that would be commiting a felony)
    so you believe a person who:
    never looked for himself
    never says WHO told him (as well as that supervisor never came forth)
    didnt say a word until after he was no longer working there...
    in other words... nothing that would be admissible in a US court nor anything that links him to the crime of looking up private information of an idividual.
    so GENIUS when are you going to admit you are listening to people who are just out to get their 15 minute of fame
    why doesnt he say who "told "him
    why didnt he report it to the authorites in 2008
    why didnt he look it up himself.
    its like me saying that someone told me you were in a Gay porno, even though I didnt see it myself and I wont name the person who supposedly saw you in said film
    so GENIUS, answer the questions please
  • cocheran Dion Pr... 2012/08/14 22:51:48
    cocheran
    +1
    As Ron White says you can't fix stupid, or is that an 0bama supporter
  • cmm Dion Pr... 2012/08/14 22:04:58
    cmm
    +3
    Hawaii refused to verify that the birth certificate posted on the whitehouse website matches the records on file. Hawaii refused to verify Obamas birth date to the Arizona secretary of state ken bennet on May 22 of this year.

    Case closed - you lie!
  • Dion Pr... cmm 2012/08/15 13:33:09
    Dion Prince
    No what I say is the truth
    and what is REALLY hilarious is that instead of just looking up what I said you lie about it.
    so let me send you the link with letter sent to Ken Bennett Sec of state for AZ, from Alvin Onaka, HI registrar. and when you finish reading it, I want you to say that you were wrong. but I know you wont admit you were wrong even though the actual document is in front of you. OH and BTW I will also ad the letter presented to the Mississippi court a week later, Also from the HI registrar verifying that Obama was born in HI and that the whitehouse site BC matches the record

    http://www.azcentral.com/12ne...

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/962...

    so what is your excuse now?
  • LEISUREAL Dion Pr... 2012/08/16 16:56:17
    LEISUREAL
    +2
    HMMM-AN OFFICIAL LETTER-DOCUMENNT - TO AUTHENTICATE OBAMA'S BIRTH RECORD-BUT SOMEHOW THEY FORGOT HIA D.O.B.????(SHOULD NOT HAVE NEEDED TO BEEN ADDED IF IT WAS A DOCUMENT)
    SORRY, BUT NO SALE, BUT NICE TRY!
  • Dion Pr... LEISUREAL 2012/08/16 17:51:25
    Dion Prince
    Sec of state Ken Bennet did not ask for his date of birth . he got exactly what he asked for NUMBERED in order for him.
    Bennet never asked for the Birth date. read the Effing corresponding emails and get your effing facts straight before commenting or risk showing your ignorance.
    again
    KEN BENNET never asked for it. he got EXACTLY what he asked for nothing more, nothing less
    he also attached a copy of the white house birth certificate and in the official letter, Alvin Onaka verified

    and I QUOTE
    "Additionally, I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of live birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the orinal record in our files."
    now I ask you, does the white house website BC have a birthday?
    did the last part of the verification state that THAT image is authentic?
  • cmm Dion Pr... 2012/08/21 15:56:38
    cmm
    Too bad Alvin Onaka didn't stamp that confirmation paper. If you notice someone placed their initials next to the stamp. That means the stamp was used by someone else. I guess Mr. Onaka did not want to take any blame for these false statements. Sucks to be you!
  • Dion Pr... cmm 2012/08/21 17:02:05
    Dion Prince
    wow, you people just keep coming up with the craziest theories. It is not a birth certificate. It does not need a stamp. It is a verification with his signature attached.
    if it was someone else's signature, then Alvin Onaka would be complacent in forgery and would be looking at time in Prison. so would the person who forged the signature.

    I guess the verification from last year from the Dir of Health is fraudelent too huh?
  • cocheran Dion Pr... 2012/08/14 22:50:22
    cocheran
    +2
    Not quite
  • Todd House Simon B... 2012/08/25 15:11:48
    Todd House
    +3
    Certainly it is clear that the final arbiter of US jurisprudence, the Supreme Court of the United States must have the final word. Politics of the day should not influence so fundamental and critical a Constitutional question.

    L. Todd House, MD
  • elleen 2012/08/04 03:05:37
    No. You birthers need to give it up already.
    elleen
    +1
    what a lot of nonsense!!!
  • John Br... elleen 2012/08/06 15:18:17
    John Brashear
    +1
    the nonsense is coming from YOU, obama isnt eligible for President, he is NOT a "Natural Born US Citizen" and all your protesting and blather isnt going to MAKE him one, under the US Supreme Court decision in 1875, a Natural Born Citizen case Minor v. Happersett the court found "Parents" must be US Citizens, not mother, not Father but "Parents". plural for those of you who dont know the difference, and obamas father was NEVER a US Citizen, it's sad people want to allow continued Violations of the US Constitution, because they have NO Clue what an Important document it is.
  • Milo Mi... John Br... 2012/08/14 20:42:24
    Milo Milosovich
    +1
    Minor v Happersett was not a citizenship case. It was a VOTING RIGHTS case and in its opinion the Supreme Court expressly refused to define natural-born citizen.

    Read Wong Kim Ark - where the Supreme Court ruled that if you're born in the US you're a natural-born citizen - unless your parents are diplomats or soldiers in an invading army.
  • LEISUREAL Milo Mi... 2012/08/16 16:59:31
    LEISUREAL
    +2
    LET'S SEE, I GUESS THAT MAKES ALL ANCHOR BABIES NATURAL BORN CITIZENS?? WHY DOES THAT NOT MAKE ME FEEL SECURE IN MY COUNTRY' FUTURE?
  • Todd House Milo Mi... 2012/08/25 15:19:46 (edited)
    Todd House
    +1
    All of what is stated in Milo's reply is false.
    Minor DID define and thus encode the term Natural Born Citizen. And Wong Kim Ark answered the question of the citizenship status of children born of RESIDENT or DOMICILED aliens--they are "citizens of the United States."

    The Constitution of the United States in Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 mandates that a person must be a "Natural Born Citizen" among other things such as age and length of residency to be eligible for the office of president of the United States.

    However, the Constitution does NOT define "Natural Born Citizen."

    But Vattel in Law of Nations published in 1758, does. From Book I , Section 212: "The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens...

    Vattel goes on to say, "...those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights...the country of the fathers is therefore that of the children..."

    All of the Framers, indeed most of the modern world at that time, accepted Vatel's definition of "Natural Born Citizen."

    Further, in 1875, the United States Supreme Court in Minor v H...

























    All of what is stated in Milo's reply is false.
    Minor DID define and thus encode the term Natural Born Citizen. And Wong Kim Ark answered the question of the citizenship status of children born of RESIDENT or DOMICILED aliens--they are "citizens of the United States."

    The Constitution of the United States in Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 mandates that a person must be a "Natural Born Citizen" among other things such as age and length of residency to be eligible for the office of president of the United States.

    However, the Constitution does NOT define "Natural Born Citizen."

    But Vattel in Law of Nations published in 1758, does. From Book I , Section 212: "The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens...

    Vattel goes on to say, "...those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights...the country of the fathers is therefore that of the children..."

    All of the Framers, indeed most of the modern world at that time, accepted Vatel's definition of "Natural Born Citizen."

    Further, in 1875, the United States Supreme Court in Minor v Happersett, acknowledged that the Constitution did not provide an explicit definition of "Natural Born Citizen" though it was certainly implied and assumed since it is known from correspondence and notes of the Constitutional Convention, (e.g. John Jay's letter to George Washington concerning the matter, notes and letters of Alexander Hamilton and Benjamin Franklin among many others). The Framers knew well the widely accepted definition of the term having been informed by Vatel, study of political philosophers such as Locke, Cicero and others and exhaustive debate during the Constitutional Convention of 1787.

    Acknowledging the lack of an explicit definition of Natural Born Citizen in the Constitution , the Supreme Court, in Minor v Happersett, cited and stated the widely held definition from Vattel's Law of Nations, Book 1, Section 212 as well as the need for it.

    The Court in the opinion by Chief Justice, C.J. Waite, stated:

    "For convenience it has been found necessary to give a name to th[e] membership [of a nation]. The object is to designate by a title the person and the relation he bears to the nation. For this purpose the words "subject," "inhabitant," and "citizen" have been used, and the choice between them is sometimes made to depend upon the form of the government. Citizen is now more commonly employed, however, and as it has been considered better suited to the description of one living under a republican government, it was adopted by nearly all of the States upon their separation from Great Britain, and was afterwards adopted in the Articles of Confederation and in the Constitution of the United States. When used in this sense it is understood as conveying the idea of membership of a nation, and nothing more..."

    "...Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides [n6] that "no person except a natural-born citizen...shall be eligible to the office of President," [n7]..."

    and continuing on in Minor:

    "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens..."

    (This entire decision is available at any website citing Supreme Court decisions. I used Cornell Law.
    Be aware that Justia.com posted the decision yet scrubbed the sections of it defining "Natural Born Citizen.". And Wikipedia might also be compromised at any given moment. Just make sure you use a reliable site and compare it against others.)

    It is openly stated that Barack Obama's father Barack Hussein Obama, Sr was a Kenyan National and therefore also British Subject and not a citizen of the United States.

    So, to be a "Natural Born Citizen" of the United States, though it is Necessary to be born IN the United States, that condition alone is not Sufficient, nor is being born in the United States of a citizen mother sufficient, though necessary.

    In the case of Barack Hussein Obama (Jr), what is Necessary is that his father be a United States citizen, which clearly he was NOT.

    Accordingly, this fact is Sufficient to establish BHO Jr. Is NOT eligible for the office of President, and, indeed, is illegitimately and illegally occupying the office.

    So the birth certificate is not relevant. Since BHO Jr. was never eligible to be President of the United States of America the actual place of his birth is rendered superfluous.
    L.Todd House, M.D.
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  • cocheran elleen 2012/08/14 22:53:18
    cocheran
    +1
    Why is asking for something as simle a the truth nonsense?You 0bozo supporters are evidently left over from the haight and Ashbury days and lots of LSD
  • **StarzAbove** 2012/08/03 23:07:21
    No. You birthers need to give it up already.
    **StarzAbove**
  • John Br... **Starz... 2012/08/06 15:19:18
    John Brashear
    Being a "Birther" is NOT a insult to me, being a moron probably isnt an insult to you, you pro obama people need to get a life
  • **Starz... John Br... 2012/08/06 15:19:55 (edited)
    **StarzAbove**
    +1
    It should be. Facts are presented but because of your hatred for the president you choose to ignore it. And now you start with the insults, I was expecting it. you need to grow up.
  • Todd House John Br... 2012/08/25 15:36:18 (edited)
    Todd House
    +3
    I am not a "birther."

    I am a Constitutionalist. The Constitution either means what it says or is relegated to "advisory" status, just as some have done with the Bible.

    I am not a religious person which emphasizes that this is an intellectual, legal and historical argument but very pertinent to us today. The US Supreme Court has the imperative duty to resolve the issue of "Natural Born Citizen" once and for all since the issue is not going away. (e.g. Jindal and Rubio as finalists for Romney VP.)

    Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution states that only a "natural born citizen" is eligible for the office of the presidency. Unfortunately, there is no definition of the term in that document. But the reasons for this unique requirement were and still are well understood.

    And, that is the rub for it requires some study of the the history of the Founding, the political philosophy of the era, what influenced the Founders, subsequent precedent(see Minor v Happerset 1875, among others) and plain, old, regular US and world history to understand the seriousness of the issue and, only then, arrive at an informed opinion.

    Regrettably, few seem to have done their homework. But even those that do, disagree. And that's ok. But for an ultimate resolution I look to the US Supreme...


    I am not a "birther."

    I am a Constitutionalist. The Constitution either means what it says or is relegated to "advisory" status, just as some have done with the Bible.

    I am not a religious person which emphasizes that this is an intellectual, legal and historical argument but very pertinent to us today. The US Supreme Court has the imperative duty to resolve the issue of "Natural Born Citizen" once and for all since the issue is not going away. (e.g. Jindal and Rubio as finalists for Romney VP.)

    Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution states that only a "natural born citizen" is eligible for the office of the presidency. Unfortunately, there is no definition of the term in that document. But the reasons for this unique requirement were and still are well understood.

    And, that is the rub for it requires some study of the the history of the Founding, the political philosophy of the era, what influenced the Founders, subsequent precedent(see Minor v Happerset 1875, among others) and plain, old, regular US and world history to understand the seriousness of the issue and, only then, arrive at an informed opinion.

    Regrettably, few seem to have done their homework. But even those that do, disagree. And that's ok. But for an ultimate resolution I look to the US Supreme Court to decide it. Ergo, my suit filed in Kentucky questioning Obama's eligibility and therefore his name on the ballot. Since I, too, am a presidential candidate, I should not be required to compete for votes with someone running but not constitutionally eligible for the office I seek, president of The United States.

    L.Todd House, MD
    Don't Tread on Me
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  • GOP Poison 2012/08/03 22:49:44
    No. You birthers need to give it up already.
    GOP Poison
    +2
    IF they investigated and found it to be legit you clowns would say they are all in on the conspiracy.
  • Patriot 2012/07/23 04:42:21
    Yes. It is the responsibility of Congress to investigate potentially criminal...
    Patriot
    Yes, Congress should investigate by holding a hearing about the investigation results. If Congress doesn't, they best way to settle the matter is to defeat the re--election of the National Government Health Insurance President and then let Congress review the Birth Certificates of the newly elected GOP President and the Vice President.
  • aherbert 2012/07/19 06:24:18
    No. You birthers need to give it up already.
    aherbert
    +2
    birthers beating a dead horse

    birthers continue to beat a dead horse ...

    birthers beating a dead horse

    birthers beating a dead horse
  • John Br... aherbert 2012/08/02 17:31:27
    John Brashear
    Obama cannot possibly be eligible for the Office of US President, under the 1875 US Supreme Court case "Happersett v. Minor", the Court found the definition for Natural Born is the child of "Parents" born from US Citizens , not a mother, or a father but "Parents" must be US Citizens, Obamas father was NEVER a US Citizen...and is not eligible to hold the office and he knows it....
  • aherbert John Br... 2012/08/03 22:41:33
    aherbert
    +2
    Who's your President?



    president

    Enough said ... let it rest birther ...
  • John Br... aherbert 2012/08/06 15:20:21
    John Brashear
    the Birthers arent letting it rest....and it wont go away till Obama...goes away
  • aherbert John Br... 2012/08/06 20:46:03
    aherbert
    Well standby for four more years ...

    standby years
  • mastiff... aherbert 2012/08/14 22:10:33
    mastiff.labrador
    +1
    Prevented what? Where do you live cause around here the economy sucks. Oh maybe your talking about the hundreds of millions of dollars his administration is spending on jobs in other countries. And as far as the middle east only he could do more damage than Jimmy Carter, but wait you probably think the Muslim Brotherhood is a good thing. Try asking all the dead Christians how they fell about that.
  • aherbert 2012/08/14 23:38:21
    +1
    The terrorist organization al-Qaeda is still going strong despite the death of Osama bin Laden. And there's no factual proof that President Obama prevented a 2nd Great Depression.

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