September 11, 2001. Conspiracy or Terrorists?
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I'm sure there are varying opinions on here, especially if any of you have seen Loose Change. Don't get all emotional about it or anything. Simply give your answer and why.
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ronin 2008/09/12 20:18:00I have seen justifiable evidence of both, but here is what I think...
ETA: Here is a link to a story on the L.A. biz: http://cnsnews.com/public/con...
Thanksgiving is suppose to be the busiest traveling period with more people traveling than as oppose to any other time. All those people coming and going, all those luggage and bags for the airlines to keep up with, folks tired, planes running late, folks fussing, airline employees stressed and thinking that they’re not getting paid enough for all their headaches and now factor in some terrorist plot. I don’t think it’s going to happen but who would have thought that 9/11 would have happened prior to it actually happening? History tend to repeat itself… Vietnam than and Iraq now.
http://www.gjsentinel.com/new...
Well, unless you count when Clinton specifically warned Bush that Osama bin Laden was the greatest threat to our security in the “exit interview” in which the outgoing President advised the incoming President about what’s what in the nation and world.
But besides that, you’re absolutely right.
Well, except for when Clinton retaliated against al-Qaeda for the 1994 WTC bombing and other terrorist acts. He might have done more, but, well, there was this Starr Chamber investigation going on that was supPOSED to be about Whitewater and financial improprieties, but somehow after spending tens of millions of taxpayer money turned into a sex scandal about some intern named Monica Lewinski instead. And when Clinton bombed the terrorists, do you remember what happened? Does the phrase “Wag the Dog” ring a bell? Yep. The REPUBLICANS in Congress (not to mention Rush Limbaugh and his ilk) accused Clinton of using the terrorist bombings and his response to them as an attempt to DISTRACT our attention from the FAR more important BLOW JOB in the OVAL OFFICE!
But other than that, well, yes, you're right.
America was born of dissent..."Those who prefer a bit of temporary security and give up essential liberty deserve neither,"
--Ben Franklin
Kerosene burns at roughly 875 degrees under optimum conditions (oxygen source) Hardened steel such as that used in the WTC beams and girders needs temperatures of approximately TWENTY-EIGHT HUNDRED (2,800) degrees to actually melt, and temperatures approaching 2,000 degrees to turn bright red and soften.
Got it?
The U.S. government wasn't in on it though. Not only do I not believe that our government would stoop that low, but I also don't think our government is competent enough to pull it off. We couldn't even get the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections down correctly, especially in 2000. If our government can't even count votes correctly, I wouldn't expect them to pull off such an elaborate scheme as some claim they did.
Anywho. I think the votes were meant to be a disaster. How else could they get away with it? But I do agree with you on the competency of our government, particularly our president. But out of curiosity, have you seen Loose Change? It explains that the size of the hole in the Pentagon was not even a close match to the diameter of the plane, much less the damage it should have caused. Also, there was no metal shrapnel matching the plane, no physical evidence of the plane at all. That's just one small part of the entire documentary. I'm still undecided myself, but the documentaries certainly raise questions.
The problem with this survey is that it splits all the people who think the official story is Bull into separate categories debating the details, making it look like we don't add up to almost half of the population.
Remember they had explosives on the plane. A vest with a bunch of C4 is enough to level a city block if planted correctly. If distributed across the plane properly it would have caused massive damage beyond what was expected. And if it hit a bunch of file cabinets you would have shredded aluminum - not from the plane - twisted beyond recognition hurtling through the building.
The author of "The Hurt Locker" was with a EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal) unit when they blew a car bomb. Shrapnel was traveling fast enough to go *through* a truck a mile away two feet from the author while motor oil splashed next to him on the truck.
And they got away with 9-11 the same way. Impunity is what it is called, not incompetence
But let's put the blame for the WHOLE mess where it lies- BUSH, CHENEY, WOLFEWISCZ (SP??) AND ROVE.
Obama is right in saying that a REPUBLICAN VIEW OF ECONOMY created this mess. Remember-It was the hero of the Republican's, RONALD REGAN, who brought on the great wave of deregulation and the drastic laizzez faire of world economics. Sure times were good during the Clinton years. People had money because of the deregulation. But over time, if you leave the deregulation go-you have things like the Housing Market collapse and the domino effect to the fin...
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But let's put the blame for the WHOLE mess where it lies- BUSH, CHENEY, WOLFEWISCZ (SP??) AND ROVE.
Obama is right in saying that a REPUBLICAN VIEW OF ECONOMY created this mess. Remember-It was the hero of the Republican's, RONALD REGAN, who brought on the great wave of deregulation and the drastic laizzez faire of world economics. Sure times were good during the Clinton years. People had money because of the deregulation. But over time, if you leave the deregulation go-you have things like the Housing Market collapse and the domino effect to the financial institutions.
Now we add in the HUGE spending on our military during the Bush terms, the added spending of Homeland Security, the "spending of so called "surplus money" collected from Social Security Taxes and you have a recipe for disaster. Oh, the super wealthy that made money and "got out" in time will be laughing it up on easy street. But now how funny is this to those without a job, without money and no money from our "government" to provide for them.
All this "government assurance" of the Housing industry(Fannae Mae and Freddy Mac) and now AIG is really "worthless paper"!
Bush and his buddies need to be tried and convicted and put into POVERTY, with their families, for the rest of their lives. Let the Father and Barbara go to inadequate nursing facilities where they will stay permanently. Let them feel the REAL pain that they have caused by their neglect of our countries well being!
It is an outrage that we should be here and we should demand accountability!
Then the Federal Reserve kept dropping interest rates lower and lower and lower.
Here you have government coersion and market manipulation that caused the bubble. If the market was truly free then we would not have a Monopoly running the banking system arbitrarily setting interest rates. We also would not have government intervention practically forcing lenders to allow unqualified individuals to take on homes.
yes there certainly was aspects of greed that can be present in a laizzez faire market that got out of hand. however if the government and monopoly bank (the fed) had not setup the field for this kind of greedy irrational behavior the bubble would not have formed at all.
Look at WTC 7 and tell me that terrorists got in there, planted bombs (all around CIA guards and such) and then forgot to hit it with a plane but still managed to turn WTC 7 into dust.