And to all you haters who said, "Great mistake"... you're part of the problem with this country.
This is a wonderful day for American civil rights. Today is a day that will go down in the history books as the day that the LGBT community came THIS close to being equal in this country.
Marriage is up next. :-)
Senate Repeals DADT: Great Day or Great Mistake?
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Liza Jane 2010/12/18 22:24:07
5. Sexual deviancy is not a civil right! What a person does behind closed doors is their business, but once you step outside, your rights don't override everyone else's!
The Progressives in DC are hell bent on destroying this country. They are shoving through laws in lame duck sessions that should be held over for the people who were hired to vote on, not the people who were fired! I'm sick and tired of civilians trying to run our military when they don't know a damn thing about it! It takes a special person to walk up, raise their hand and give an oath to defend the Constitution and to give up some basic rights just for the honor to serve. The military is not a social club and can NOT be run like one if you want them to be successful.
All you people harping about how great this is for the country, let's see how you...
The Progressives in DC are hell bent on destroying this country. They are shoving through laws in lame duck sessions that should be held over for the people who were hired to vote on, not the people who were fired! I'm sick and tired of civilians trying to run our military when they don't know a damn thing about it! It takes a special person to walk up, raise their hand and give an oath to defend the Constitution and to give up some basic rights just for the honor to serve. The military is not a social club and can NOT be run like one if you want them to be successful.
All you people harping about how great this is for the country, let's see how you feel about it when the draft comes back because the military isn't getting enough people to volunteer. When it happens, I want you to remember the day YOU made it happen and then blame only yourselves when we don't have an all volunteer military any more.
They've been accepting it for their entire stay in the military, while serving beside homosexuals.
"We have high ranking officers resigning their commission"
Frankly, I don't really care. Military personnel take orders and obey commands all the time. If they can't serve their country in the way that the military is commanding them, then piss on them. They're not good American anyway.
"This is a direct violation of every military members 1st amendment rights."
Military personnel don't have the same rights as you or I. The military can give you whatever kind of classroom sensitivity training it wishes to give you and it's not a violation of a soldier's freedom of expression.
" They are shoving through laws in lame duck sessions that should be held over for the people who were hired to vote on"
These people were hired to vote on issues through the end of the congressional term that just ended. The people that were just voted in were hired to handle things after the new year. And I'd hardly call it Showing Through Laws when these laws are being passed by HUGE margins with bipartisan support.
This is also what the Pentagon and military wanted. If the Pentagon and military want it and are installing it as the "new way", then it's the military personnel's job to accept it and move on. Military personnel aren't allowed to question authority.
"One Constitutional right NOT taking from military members is their freedom of religion."
Correct. Your religion perhaps prohibits gay activity, I suspect. What if my religion prohibits premarital sex? Does that mean that soldiers shouldn't be allowed to partake in premarital sex so that MY RELIGION isn't being violated? Of course not. Sensitivity training isn't an endorsement to go and be gay, and isn't meant to be encouragement to go and be gay. It's a reminder to treat those people as equals. Your religion isn't being violated in that process.
"You're damn lucky the people don't have a say in this, because it never would have happened if it did."
Wrong...try Googling "Public support of DADT repeal" and you'll find out otherwise.
" they can give any sensitivity class they are ORDERED to give. Which is why high ranking officers are resigning their commission."
Good. I think the military will be a much better place without such idiotic and small minded people.
Wrong yourself, try googling gays against repeal of DADT.
They are not small minded people. They have better things to do than deal with your stupid social agenda. GET A LIFE and stay away from the military, you have no idea how our military operates!
Insulting me is doing your side of the debate no favors.
Ok, so the Pentagon study and report stating that this could and should be done, and would create minimal problems, is purely a falsification? And you know this how? And if you know this, why isn't Fox News reporting about this lie and falsification?
My social agenda is now the majority agenda in the U.S. regarding gays serving. Get used to it, as it isn't going away.
It is not the majority, you only kid yourself if you think so. I have no idea what Fox news is reporting. I go by what the Marines have to say, the videos of Generals who told Congress not to do this. You know, FACTS. And No, I will not get used to gays being some natural lifestyle. It isn't.
Try 93%. Of course they have served. I had some in my platoon. Some of my friends who are gay are serving today. But that doesn't mean DADT needs to go away.
"against any and all civil rights measures"
This is not a civil rights issue. What someone chooses to do behind closed doors is their business, not society's! The military is not a social club and this issue has no business there. Google gays AGAINST the DADT repeal. No one cares about the people IN the military, just the civilians who want to raise a bunch of crap because they think they no best for everyone.
Says you. I say otherwise, as do many others. The future will no doubt look back at this and feel it was the right thing to do...and wonder what took so long.
What I don't understand is that if you knew there were gays all around you in the military during DADT, and you know they'll remain without DADT, then exactly what has changed? The only thing that's technically changing in my estimation is that if we know someone's gay, we can no longer terminate his military duty.
Better get over this quickly, as legalized gay marriage will soon be coming at us like a speeding freight train.
As for gay marriage, that's an entirely different subject than DADT. You need to stop thinking that just because a person doesn't like the new ruling that they are anti gay. Once again, the military is not a social club and has no room for social agendas. Having civilians dictate how something should be done in the military is nothing less than the opposite of martial law. People don't want or like martial law. Military doesn't like civilians interfering with their organization.
Yes. They're pretty weird.
"Have you ever dealt with people like those who head up the LGBT?"
No. Don't even know what it is.
"Ever have a flammer who just felt they were entitled to special privileges just because they were different?"
Sure. I've encountered all kinds of people from all walks of life that act this way. Not just "flammers", as you put it.
"What has changed is that some of these will enter the military with the sole intent to make a name for themselves and cause an uproar because they weren't treated special."
I'm sure you're right. But it's not logical or reasonable to assume this will happen in large amounts. It should be in isolated incidents, and will need to be dealt with in each instance, and then it'll eventually NOT happen anymore. They were saying these same things about giving civil rights to blacks 50 yrs ago...still, it's not a reason to not allow gays the right to serve without the fear of being fired.
" Once again, the military is not a social club and has no room for social agendas."
Not firing gays for being gay isn't a social agenda adoption. It's granting a legal right to someone.
Sex just doesn't have a place in the military. Since being gay is all about who they like to play with, there's no reason for it to be in the military. The problem is the general public who know NOTHING about the military but think they know everything. Civilians cannot dictate what the military does or doesn't do, other wise you will see a very large negative turn from the military.
Stop thinking this is like it was with blacks. This is nothing like that. That was a civil issue! Who you are going to boink tonight is not a civil issue or civil right.
The ACLU will stick their fat lying nose into it and cause more problems for our military. Those who wanted to serve, did so. They knew going in of things they would not be allowed to do. It happens to every single person who enters the military, you immediately lose some of your rights so you can protect the rights of others.
This is a condescending question. See, I don't think YOU get it. But I don't ask that, because I know that you think you get it, and that you think I don't. This is just a debate and a discussion. You're not supposed to think I get it...or else the discussion would be over.
"Have you been in the military?"
No, and of course that makes you think you have insight that I don't. Doesn't matter. I don't need to have military experience to have an opinion on this. I don't need to have played major league baseball to know what a good player is, or what a good play is. I'm very tight with several veterans and many who are currently serving in the military. Some support the repeal. Some are neutral. Some hate it. Would you say that those that support it, who are vets, also don't "get it"?
"Sex just doesn't have a place in the military."
So you want for military personnel to not be able to have sex?
" That was a civil issue! Who you are going to boink tonight is not a civil issue or civil right."
I don't follow this argument. Don't straights worry about who they're going to boink tonight? I remember being in college (typical military age) and that weighing heavily on my mind. Are you under some impression that gays spend their da...
This is a condescending question. See, I don't think YOU get it. But I don't ask that, because I know that you think you get it, and that you think I don't. This is just a debate and a discussion. You're not supposed to think I get it...or else the discussion would be over.
"Have you been in the military?"
No, and of course that makes you think you have insight that I don't. Doesn't matter. I don't need to have military experience to have an opinion on this. I don't need to have played major league baseball to know what a good player is, or what a good play is. I'm very tight with several veterans and many who are currently serving in the military. Some support the repeal. Some are neutral. Some hate it. Would you say that those that support it, who are vets, also don't "get it"?
"Sex just doesn't have a place in the military."
So you want for military personnel to not be able to have sex?
" That was a civil issue! Who you are going to boink tonight is not a civil issue or civil right."
I don't follow this argument. Don't straights worry about who they're going to boink tonight? I remember being in college (typical military age) and that weighing heavily on my mind. Are you under some impression that gays spend their days worrying and wondering who they're going to boink any more than straights do? If so, why do you think that? I'm friends with many homosexuals, and they pretty much just seem like regular people to me, except that their partners are the same sex. Are you telling me that when I'm out to dinner with my gay friends, they're actually thinking about who they'll boink? What is a civil right is the right to go out and become employed and stay employed without the government snooping into how your spend your personal/private time as a means to relieve you of your duties.
"Stop thinking this is like it was with blacks."
Ok. I've not asserted it is. I'm merely drawing a parallel between the acceptance of this repeal and the attitudes toward it, and the similarities toward the attitudes toward blacks gaining their civil rights 50 yrs ago. I'm not comparing the issues at all. I'm comparing as similar the way the people reacted to it.
Thats the problem with civilians, they think they know everything. Yeah you do need military experience to know whether this is good for the military or not. Without military experience you have no clue what it is like to be in the military or the consequences caused by civilians who think they know better. You have an opinion based on social skills, not military skills and that means you don't get it. Look up on google about gays in the military AGAINST the repeal. They get it, as do many others in the military. You're a civilian trying to act like you know what is right for the military and what isn't. This is nothing like a ball club and AGAIN it has nothing to do with the civil rights for women and blacks. It was civilians that kept the military from doing their job in Vietnam because they thought they knew better. Stick to social issues, something you know how it will be affected and let the best military in the world do what they do best.
Good luck, happy new year, I'm done.
On November 30, 2010 the Palm Center issued a joint statement from 30 professors and scholars (current and former academics at the Army War College, Naval Academy, West Point, Air Force Academy, Naval Post Graduate School, Naval War College, Air Command and Staff College and National Defense University as well as civilian universities including Harvard, Yale and Princeton) in response to the Pentagon’s Comprehensive Working Group Report on gays in the military. The statement read in part:
"We write as scholars who have studied the military for decades. The release of the Pentagon’s Comprehensive Working Group report on gays in the military echoes more than 20 studies, including studies by military researchers, all of which reach the same conclusion: allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly will not harm the military. Unsurprisingly, the new Pentagon study, which is based on exhaustive research, confirms that the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” poses little if any risk to the armed forces. We hope that our collective statement underscores that the debate about the evidence is now officially over, and that the only remaining rationale for “don’t ask, don’t tell” is prejudice. In light of the report’s findings, this month’s debate in Congress is about one thing and one thing only: will prejudice continue to determine military policy or not?["
Now they will be instructed to tolerate open homosexual behavior even though it offends individual soldiers morally.
This has nothing to do with civil rights but peels away the morale, quality and credibility of the US military services.
This is a slap in the face of all the families that have sacrificed in their support of the US military as it has opened the doors to make the military a haven for people who demand acceptance of what they do in private, no matter how morally unacceptable it may be.
I still have friends and relatives in the active military and I shall cease my own support for the military -Not as long as they are being used as a tool by the enemies of moral society.