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SCOTUS Upholds Individual Mandate!!!!

ProudProgressive 2012/06/28 14:17:45
CBS News is reporting that in a five to four decision authored by Chief Justice John Roberts the Supreme Court has upheld the right of Congress to impose a requirement that all Americans have health insurance or pay a penalty under the Congress' taxing powers. Details are still coming in. It appears that the Court has also struck down the requirement that States expand their Medicaid coverage.

Here is a link to the full opinion of the Court:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

More to come. What do you think?

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  • jeane 2012/06/29 07:14:07
    jeane
    +1
    ANOTHER VICTORY HITLER ON THE BALCONY HITLER ASSUMING POWER
  • Wilde~M... jeane 2012/06/29 13:59:38
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    +2
    What about this is remotely close to Nazis Germany? I know you conservatives like to compare anything Obama does to Nazism, its extremely ignorant and insensitive. What happened yesterday is NOTHING like millions of people murdered! You should be embarrassed, if not don't worry I'm embarrassed for you!
  • jeane Wilde~M... 2012/06/29 20:44:44
    jeane
    +1
    Murder didn't happen overnight. It was little by little that they BOTH took control and forced their ideology on the populace. EDICTS RULED THE LAND - like now.
  • ProudPr... jeane 2012/06/29 15:49:06
    ProudProgressive
    I think you must have been watching CNN - they did NOT strike down the Health Care Law. You and your fascist leaders can NOT kill off 30 million Americans by denying them health care. If you want to kill them off you're going to have to build more gas chambers.
  • jeane ProudPr... 2012/06/29 20:45:20
    jeane
    The death panels of Obamacare will see to that - BABY BOOMERS FIRST! Useless eaters anyway right?
  • aneed2know 2012/06/29 05:37:57
    aneed2know
    +5
    The arch of the Universe is Long, but it always bends towards justice.

    Abe Lincoln

    Teddy Rosevelt

    Ghandi

    MLK

    Obama
  • HOMBRE aneed2know 2012/06/29 12:22:39
  • CAPISCE HOMBRE 2012/06/29 12:29:56
  • HOMBRE CAPISCE 2012/06/29 12:35:24
    HOMBRE
    +2
    How can libtards be so happy about a tax on all people. You thought prices in grocery store were getting high wait and see what happens now.1 trillion dollars of taxes well have to come from somebody. You think companies will even think about hiring now. Companies have been waiting about Obamacare weather to hire or not. Well guess what they not hiring and if anything any company bordering on 50 employees watch the layoffs to get under 50 people.in the company
  • ProudPr... HOMBRE 2012/06/29 15:50:24
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    It's not a tax on all people. The reality is that the mandate will only apply to about 7% of the population. You guys are really going to have to come up with better lies if you want to have any hope of convincing the low information voter to shoot himself in the foot this time around.
  • jeane ProudPr... 2012/06/29 20:47:33
    jeane
    Chief Justice John Roberts's ruling that the Affordable Care Act passed constitutional muster as a legitimate exercise of Congress's power to levy taxes.

    Roberts wrote that the law "makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning an income."
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/06/30 04:15:18
    aneed2know
    so you enjoy paying for free loaders medical care? How nice of you, how about paying their rent and utilities also, hell why not let them move in with and you pay for everything?
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/06/30 05:04:35
    jeane
    You did not address the issue I put forth instead you started off with your usual ad hominem attack.
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/06/30 05:05:13
    aneed2know
    okay what is your issue? Will be more than happy to address it?
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/06/30 05:05:36
    jeane
    Please reread my post.
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/06/30 05:33:43
    aneed2know
    what is the issue you want me to address, i see a statement, and this is what you believe which is fine, but i see nothing that warrants addressing.

    Do governments Tax gasoline yes, Do you pay Taxes on income yes, do you have to have house insurance yes ( or no bank will give you a loan), do you have to have car insurance to drive ( or put up a bond) yes, so what is your problem with having to have health insurance?
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/06/30 21:19:52
    jeane
    Biggest tax increase in our nation's history.

    Roberts wrote that the law "makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes.....
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/07/01 04:37:41
    aneed2know
    So let em get this straight, those who dont have insurance should be able to ride on the backs who do, i wonder how you feel about food stamps, or Section 8 is these okay with you and if not why?

    It is not a Tax increase, its a fine for those who can afford insurance but chose not do so, even after affordable exchanges are set up.

    Damn you guys really need to get pass the fine part and read what comes next, you don't pay the fine/tax if you have insurance.
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/01 06:48:55 (edited)
    jeane
    TAX INCREASE - largest in history - or is the Chief Justice just lying?
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/07/01 07:23:52 (edited)
    aneed2know
    Okay show me where he said the largest in History, i will be waiting. In fact what he said it falls under congressional Taxing authority, did not say the largest in History and if he did say it would be the largest in history then yes he is lying.


    Moments after the Supreme Court ruled it was largely upholding President Barack Obama's health care law Thursday, conservatives zeroed in on the court's decision to allow the law to stand based on the idea that the individual mandate was a tax.

    But in a race to score political points, several conservatives repeated — or inflated — an incorrect claim. They said that the law includes the largest tax increase in U.S. history.

    Conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh went a step further, declaring it "nothing more than the largest tax increase in the history of the world."

    Neither phrasing is correct.

    While the health care law certainly is, on the whole, a tax increase, it's not the largest in American history — and as such — cannot be the largest in the history of the world. (Luckily, there's enough U.S.-based research that we don't have to explore the tax increases of the Roman Empire, adjusted for inflation.)

    Major tax provisions

    The federal Joint Committee on Taxation, a nonpartisan committee of Congress with a professional staff o...



















































    Okay show me where he said the largest in History, i will be waiting. In fact what he said it falls under congressional Taxing authority, did not say the largest in History and if he did say it would be the largest in history then yes he is lying.


    Moments after the Supreme Court ruled it was largely upholding President Barack Obama's health care law Thursday, conservatives zeroed in on the court's decision to allow the law to stand based on the idea that the individual mandate was a tax.

    But in a race to score political points, several conservatives repeated — or inflated — an incorrect claim. They said that the law includes the largest tax increase in U.S. history.

    Conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh went a step further, declaring it "nothing more than the largest tax increase in the history of the world."

    Neither phrasing is correct.

    While the health care law certainly is, on the whole, a tax increase, it's not the largest in American history — and as such — cannot be the largest in the history of the world. (Luckily, there's enough U.S.-based research that we don't have to explore the tax increases of the Roman Empire, adjusted for inflation.)

    Major tax provisions

    The federal Joint Committee on Taxation, a nonpartisan committee of Congress with a professional staff of economists, attorneys and accountants, provided Congress a detailed breakdown of the tax impact of the health care law from 2010-2019.

    • Starting in 2013, Medicare payroll taxes increase 0.9 percentage points for people with incomes over $200,000 ($250,000 for couples filing jointly). Also, people at this income level would pay a new 3.8 percent tax on investment income. The 10-year cost: $210.2 billion.

    • Starting in 2018, a new 40 percent excise tax on high-cost health plans, so-called Cadillac plans (over $10,200 for individuals, $27,500 for families), kicks in. That's expected to bring the government a total of $32 billion in 2018 and 2019.

    • Starting in 2011, a new fee for pharmaceutical manufacturers and importers began. It is expected to raise $27 billion over 10 years.

    • Starting in 2013, a 2.3 percent excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices starts. The 10-year total: $20 billion.

    • Starting in 2014, a new annual fee on health insurance providers begins. Total estimated 10-year revenue: $60.1 billion.

    • Starting in 2013, the floor on medical expense deductions on itemized income tax returns will be raised from 7.5 percent to 10 percent of income. That's expected to bring in $15.2 billion over the next 10 years.

    • Starting in 2011, a 10 percent excise tax on indoor tanning services kicked in. It is expected to bring in $2.7 billion over the next 10 years.

    There also is money in the law going the other way.

    The plan includes government money, in the form of tax credits, to subsidize the cost of health insurance for lower-income people who don't get insurance through their employer. And there is a tax cut for some very small businesses that allows them to write off a portion of the cost of providing insurance to their employees.

    Combined with various other revenue-generating provisions, the Joint Committee on Taxation estimates the health law will bring in more than $437.8 billion by 2019. (The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated $525 billion.)

    Measuring tax hikes

    There are many ways to define or measure the size of a tax increase, and not all tax increases have been measured the same way over time.

    The health care tax provisions, for instance, take effect between 2011 and 2018, meaning the full effect of the legislation won't be felt until near the end of the decade. Also, it wouldn't make sense to compare 2019 dollars to 1985 dollars. You have to adjust for inflation, or express the amount as a total of Gross Domestic Product at the time, which is a way to measure the relative impact of a tax provision at the time it was enacted.

    For our comparison, we used a method perfected by Jerry Tempalski, an analyst in the Office of Tax Analysis with the U.S. Department of the Treasury. In 2006, Tempalski tried to determine the relative impact of major tax revenue bills from 1940-2006. He used revenue estimates from Treasury and the Joint Committee on Taxation and calculated the impact as a percentage of GDP.

    Tempalski's calculations do not include the 2010 health law, so we mimicked his work.

    We used 2019 as our baseline because that's when all of the tax provisions of the law will be in effect. In 2019, the CBO estimates, the government will see increased revenues of $104 billion, which translates to a tax increase totalling .49 percent of projected GDP.

    How does that stack up?

    Depending on your rounding, the tax increases from the health care law are projected to be about the size of tax increases proposed and passed in 1980 by President Jimmy Carter, in 1990 by President George H.W. Bush and in 1993 by President Bill Clinton.

    They would, however, be smaller than tax increases signed into law by President Ronald Reagan in 1982 and a temporary tax signed into law in 1968 by President Lyndon B. Johnson.

    They also would be significantly smaller than two tax increases passed during World War II and a tax increase in 1961.

    That's at least five tax increases in the United States that are larger — just since 1940 — than the one proposed in the health care law. And there are another three that are roughly equivalent.

    Limbaugh's inflated rhetoric takes a wrong claim and puts it into the realm of the ridiculous. We rate it Pants on Fire.

    This fact-check has been edited for print. Read the full version at PolitiFact.com.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/...

    So yeah if he said that he is lying, but more important i know where you heard it from and it was Fox or Rush Limbaugh.

    Good Bye owned and pawned you were.
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  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/01 07:31:43
    jeane
    UHHHHH - THE Chief Justice ruled it a tax.......

    ABC’s George Stephanopoulos...... When he directly challenged the president on the mandate-as-tax question, he said, “Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?”

    And if both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax, the mandate becomes the largest tax increase in U.S. history. And that doesn’t include all of the other taxes imposed by the legislation.
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/07/01 07:55:00
    aneed2know
    Okay so where is the statement by either of these people and Roberts that says its the highest in History? Again you did not read what i provided because it proves your statement is a lie.

    Again read the Bill, or at least go some where and learn what is actually in it, because it is clear you have not read it or you would not be on here with this idiotic postings.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

    http://www.bu.edu/today/2012/...


    http://www.healthreform.gov/n...

    http://www.familiesusa.org/re...

    http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/...

    http://conservativesnow.com/n...
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/01 20:18:48
    jeane
    Again you are skirting the issue. Yes it is a tax and tell me of another tax that is larger? WAITING........
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/07/02 04:43:50 (edited)
    aneed2know
    That is not what you said, he wrote. You said he wrote it is the largest Tax increase in history, which it is not. So again are you going to admit that you lied or misspoke?

    Your comment:

    "TAX INCREASE - largest in history - or is the Chief Justice just lying?"
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/01 20:19:51 (edited)
    jeane
    Nor can you refute the Chief Justice about it being a tax right?

    The Chief Justice and I both see it as a tax - care to comment? UH NO YOU DON'T.
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/07/02 04:43:55 (edited)
    aneed2know
    That is not what you said, he wrote. You said he wrote it is the largest Tax increase in history, which it is not. So again are you going to admit that you lied or misspoke?


    Your comment:

    "TAX INCREASE - largest in history - or is the Chief Justice just lying?"
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/02 04:45:38
    jeane
    He wrote it is a tax - and it is the LARGEST IN HISTORY! Can you name one larger?
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/07/02 04:48:12
    aneed2know
    It is not and stop lying that is not what you said. Look Jean i dont mind debating you, but please come with facts or stay the hell away from me. All this BS opinion is starting to piss me off, so please i am trying very hard to be respectful to you, please dont make me disrespect you.
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/02 04:49:44
    jeane
    Well dear it is being DUBBED THE LARGEST IN HISTORY!
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/07/02 04:56:48
    aneed2know
    Yeah by Fox and CNN all the rest have not said so CBO has not said so, oh and of course SH's crack news reporting team is calling it that. But in all honesty it is not even close. But good bye i am done with you.
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/02 05:02:11
    jeane
    You are right - you are DONE!
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/01 20:21:20
    jeane
    Again - you cannot refute the information and neither can Obama and Co.

    ABC’s George Stephanopoulos...... When he directly challenged the president on the mandate-as-tax question, he said, “Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?”

    And if both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax, the mandate becomes the largest tax increase in U.S. history. And that doesn’t include all of the other taxes imposed by the legislation.
  • aneed2know jeane 2012/07/02 04:43:59 (edited)
    aneed2know
    That is not what you said, he wrote. You said he wrote it is the largest Tax increase in history, which it is not. So again are you going to admit that you lied or misspoke?


    Your comment:

    "TAX INCREASE - largest in history - or is the Chief Justice just lying?"
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/02 04:48:43 (edited)
    jeane
    No dear he said it is a tax and it has been DUBBED the largest in history. So is that all you got?

    Fortunately 55000 people have voted with their money (5.5 million) and Billionaire Adelson has pledge 100 million to help get rid of Obama if the money is needed.

    People are ticked off - wouldn't you say? ticked off
  • jeane aneed2know 2012/07/02 04:52:55
    jeane
    6/29/2012 @ 11:25AM |9,833 views
    Is ObamaCare The Largest Tax Increase In U.S. History?

    When the chief justice and his liberal colleagues consider the mandate a tax, they seem to mean only the penalty a person must pay for not having health insurance. However, the mandate has two parts: the requirement to have coverage and the penalty — er, tax — for not getting it. Why aren’t both considered a tax?

    And if both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax, the mandate becomes the largest tax increase in U.S. history. And that doesn’t include all of the other taxes imposed by the legislation.
  • aneed2know ProudPr... 2012/06/30 04:14:22
    aneed2know
    Shhh don't tell them the secrete, or tell them they will no longer be paying for free loaders, or that medicare is a government rain program, or that the police, Fire Fighters, Roads, Public Libraries, Some Hospitals, Some Universities and roads are all a form of socialism. Keep that quite they may start to destroy everything that made this once a great country, worthy of envy through out the world.

    Now we have Chinese buying up foreclosed housing, Germans running Europe again, and Switzerland ( socialist Hotbed), holding some of the money the republican presidential candidate has stashed there, keep it all quite now.
  • CAPISCE aneed2know 2012/06/29 12:28:53
  • jeane CAPISCE 2012/06/29 20:47:56
    jeane
    +1
    PRICELESS!
  • Benji 2012/06/29 03:33:16
  • EdVenture 2012/06/29 02:42:38
    EdVenture
    +4
    yippy yieyo kieyae

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