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SCOTUS Ruled Obamacare Raised Everyone's Taxes: Will Decision Hurt Obama 2012 Re-Election?

Fef 2012/06/28 14:27:41
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The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) just ruled that the "Individual Mandate" clause of the Affordable Care Act (aka "Obamacare") raise taxes on everyone. The SCOTUS ruled the Individual Mandate Unconstitutional in relation to the Constitution's Commerce Clause -- but ruled it Constitutional as a tax increase.

President Obama promised he would not raised taxes on the working class, the middle class or the poor. Obama's 2012 re-election campaign may have suffered its greatest setback because now Obama has to answer this contradiction to the public, media and Moderates.

Chief Justice John Roberts, a Conservative appointed by President George W. Bush, decided the swing vote and wrote the court's opinion. Roberts joined the Liberal justices in the decision. President Obama may again blame George W. Bush...
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  • Fef 2012/06/28 14:34:41
    SCOTUS Hurts Obama 2012
    Fef
    +20
    Democrats will regret the day... SCOTUS decision will renew Tea Party and upset Moderates. Call it Death Panel for Obama 2012
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  • ManBearPig lee 2012/07/05 17:44:00
    ManBearPig
    ok Ill explain to you how it works since the definiton of "insurance" pretty much explains how it works

    lets take auto insurance for example...

    Say I have insurance on my car. I get into an accident and my car has extensive damage but not totaled by definition of the insurance company. It costs a pretty penny to fix it. The insurance company has me pay a deductible for the service in order to get it fixed (even though I am already paying hundreds a month to have their service). I pay the simple deduction and my car is sent in for repairs. The bill goes to the insurance company. The company pays the bill and then keeps it in records for later use. I am now back on the road driving again, but if I have another future incident either my deductible would be higher or I will be paying more monthly

    I can use this same example for health insurance, flood insurance, phone insurance, you name it

    so like I said, the definition of "insurance" pretty much sums up how insurance WORKS

    and in terms of an actuary... their job in the insurance field is quite easy since their evaluations are based on the individual, their recorded actions, and general standards....

    so lets take the auto insurance example again...

    If my driving record shows that I have no tickets, have never gotten into an accident, an...



    ok Ill explain to you how it works since the definiton of "insurance" pretty much explains how it works

    lets take auto insurance for example...

    Say I have insurance on my car. I get into an accident and my car has extensive damage but not totaled by definition of the insurance company. It costs a pretty penny to fix it. The insurance company has me pay a deductible for the service in order to get it fixed (even though I am already paying hundreds a month to have their service). I pay the simple deduction and my car is sent in for repairs. The bill goes to the insurance company. The company pays the bill and then keeps it in records for later use. I am now back on the road driving again, but if I have another future incident either my deductible would be higher or I will be paying more monthly

    I can use this same example for health insurance, flood insurance, phone insurance, you name it

    so like I said, the definition of "insurance" pretty much sums up how insurance WORKS

    and in terms of an actuary... their job in the insurance field is quite easy since their evaluations are based on the individual, their recorded actions, and general standards....

    so lets take the auto insurance example again...

    If my driving record shows that I have no tickets, have never gotten into an accident, and my driving performance is above par (which for their analysis they go by default with age and gender) then their evaluation will show that I am a safe driver and their risk/loss due to me would be near minimal and my charges will be lower than normal...

    Now if my driving record shows that I have gotten into a few accidents, have a good amount of speeding tickets and reckless driving on my record, and fit within the default standard of being a reckless driver, their evaluation will conclude that I am a high risk/loss with their business and they will either charge me more or will no longer do business with me.

    you need to do some more mental insight with what you try to throw at me before you even bother with it
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  • lee ManBearPig 2012/07/05 18:25:33 (edited)
    lee
    ditto.

    you are still not getting it.. and at this point i must either assume you are incapable of understanding the economics of insurance (risk pool, et.al.), or that you are pretending to be ignorant.

    either way there does not seem to be any point of you.
  • AL lee 2012/06/29 05:54:24
    AL
    +1
    And you should really look up what the court just called a new tax in Obama care as well!
  • lee AL 2012/07/05 17:28:57
    lee
    a tax I don't have to pay... and neither do you, if you have ins.
  • AL lee 2012/06/29 05:52:34
    AL
    +2
    Don't you get it yet, If it wasn't a tax, The court wouldn't let it stand as being constitutional! Yet they found it to be a new tax in fact!
  • lee AL 2012/07/05 17:29:52
    lee
    a tax penalty you don't have to pay if you have ins.
  • AL lee 2012/06/29 05:48:27 (edited)
    AL
    +1
    LMAO!THe court just admited it was a new tax in fact!
  • lee AL 2012/07/05 17:31:20
    lee
    lamo because you are going to PAY a tax you even tho you don't need to.
  • Katherine 2012/06/28 21:53:04
    SCOTUS Ruling Does Not Affect Obama 2012
    Katherine
    +2
    Fef, he didn't win in 08. It doesn't matter, he has people. And the general leftist population ignores most of what he does -- lies, hypocrisy, special relationships with banks, kickbacks by corporations, breaking campaign promises, etc -- so long as he punishes "republicans."
  • Che Guevara - Hero 2012/06/28 21:48:15 (edited)
    SCOTUS Ruling Helps Obama 2012
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +2
    LOL, I guess that is your way of saying the US Supreme Court handed your BUTT to you. If you think things are bleak now, just wait until President Obama is reelected in November.
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  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Che Gue... 2012/06/29 00:25:40
  • snipe Che Gue... 2012/06/29 00:53:40
    snipe
    +4
    Well, if he does at least you won't have to move to Cuba.
  • Che Gue... snipe 2012/06/30 21:07:32
    Che Guevara - Hero
    You support Mormons ? Joseph Smith was a Pedophile and the Mormon Church teaches Pedophilia as one of it's Tenants.
    joseph smith pedophile
  • snipe Che Gue... 2012/06/30 21:29:11
    snipe
    Lol! I thought obama said Religion was off the table and since he's the only God you know and worship you'd better do as he commands.
  • Che Gue... snipe 2012/06/30 21:49:35
    Che Guevara - Hero
    Christians In Name Only (C.I.N.O.s) have been trying to make an issue about our Christian President's beliefs since 2008.

    It isn't surprising that someone like yourself would support the Mormon Religion of Pedophile Joseph Smith.

    You haven't seen anything yet. lol
  • snipe Che Gue... 2012/06/30 22:31:09 (edited)
    snipe
    Odd how you've changed the topic from your leaving for Cuba on Nov 7th to Religion. The only thing I want to see is your Communist Butt on a jet heading south ASAP.
  • Che Gue... snipe 2012/06/30 22:37:23 (edited)
    Che Guevara - Hero
    This is the United States not Mormon Pedophile Controlled Utah. In American we have the right to have different opinions and we can still live here. When you finish drooling over your latest children's underwear catalog you should try reading the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.
    mormon pedophile
  • snipe Che Gue... 2012/07/01 00:39:33
    snipe
    Lol! I've always considered you a bit of a flake, but I think you've exceeded your prescribed dose tonight.
  • Che Gue... snipe 2012/07/01 00:41:32
    Che Guevara - Hero
    Flake ? I'm not the one supporting Magic Underpants. lol
    magic underpants
  • snipe Che Gue... 2012/07/01 00:47:41
    snipe
    Lol! Hit close to home, did I?
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Che Gue... 2012/06/30 02:55:39
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Che Gue... 2012/06/30 02:57:36
  • Michelle 2012/06/28 21:25:01
    SCOTUS Hurts Obama 2012
    Michelle
    +3
    aha

    Considering how many people are opposed to "Obamacare"... if anyone who disliked it still considered voting for Obama, they've probably changed their mind.
  • zapped 2012/06/28 21:20:44
    SCOTUS Hurts Obama 2012
    zapped
    +4
    another step towards socialism ( and the govt mandating what the citizens must do /buy & have )

    there are bigger things at play here why roberts sided with this !
  • Michelle zapped 2012/06/28 21:23:06
    Michelle
    Since when was socialism a bad thing???

    "the govt mandating what the citizens must do /buy & have" is not socialism. I'm pretty sure that totalitarianism...
  • lee Michelle 2012/06/28 22:25:33
    lee
    +2
    you don't have to buy affordable h/c ins that cannot be raised if you have pre-exiting condtion, or drop you, or put limits on your lifetime benefits... you don't HAVE to buy that...

    but you do have to pay a tax penalty if you chose to be stupid.

    think of it as a stupid tax.
  • zapped Michelle 2012/06/28 23:17:59
    zapped
    +2
    well considering your in canada ,,I'll leave that comment as that !

    socialism is that ....now look up the parameters up socialism ....

    then if you were an american and had lived in this country (served ) the military etc ..you maybe could & would understand !
  • zapped zapped 2012/06/28 23:20:00
    zapped
    +1
    now canada has it's own healthcare system ,,,and you taxed for it as well ...

    I drove canada for 4 yrs driving truck ,,I know how canada is run ....nothing obnoxious intended !
  • lee zapped 2012/06/28 22:23:24
    lee
    +1
    oh, do tell us your conspiracy theory...

    i just LOVE conspiracy theories.
  • zapped lee 2012/06/28 23:45:16
    zapped
    +2
    well considering who's asking we'll suffice to say that your not that special ,,,,
  • retiredingeorgia 2012/06/28 21:06:33
    SCOTUS Hurts Obama 2012
    retiredingeorgia
    +6
    Who the he// knows? I didn't think there were enough totally stupid people in this country to vote for the sob the last time.
  • VoiceOfReason 2012/06/28 21:05:05
    SCOTUS Ruling Does Not Affect Obama 2012
    VoiceOfReason
    +5
    I think it neither helps or hurts. I really don't think it's going to change anyone's mind with regard to who they were going to vote. That was already a done deal. Of course it sounds like it helped Romney in fund raising since the ruling. It is ironic that Romney instituted nearly the same plan in Massachusetts but rallies against Obama's plan because it is politically expedient to do so. Typical politician. With this ruling it might be one of those be careful what you wish for on both sides of the aisle.
  • Always Right 2012/06/28 21:03:54
    SCOTUS Hurts Obama 2012
    Always Right
    +5
    Conservatives -- Republicans -- can now campaign on the line of attack that a) this is the greatest expansion of power in history; b) this is the greatest tax increase in history; and c) this is the greatest presidential deception in history.
  • HillaryLover 2012/06/28 20:57:27
    SCOTUS Hurts Obama 2012
    HillaryLover
    +3
    Tax, tax tax. Obama lied about that and he sold this lie to many gullible Americans. It could come back to haunt him. He can't have it both ways.
  • sally 2012/06/28 20:03:02
    SCOTUS Ruling Helps Obama 2012
    sally
    +4
    MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE TAXES ISSUES ITS WHATS HIDDEN IN THE HEALTH ACT THAT WOULD MAKE HITLER SMILE

    HEALTH BILL HAS BEEN RULED CONSTITUTIONAL ! THESE ARE SOME OF THE HIDDEN FACTS! YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOLD ABOUT, BUT CAN READ IT IN THE 2000 PAGES. THAT IS NOW YOUR FUTURE! IT IS THE LAW THEY CN DO THESE THINGS TO YOU. AND ALL YOU LIBERALS VOTED THIS ANIMAL IN.


    ALL BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LIBERALS SOCIALISTS PROGRESSIVES. HITLER WOULD BE SO PROUD AND ENVIOUS. OF THE ABILITY TO TRACK, MURDER AND FEED PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THEM.

    #1: ALL PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO BE CHIPPED WITH A RFID TAG

    #2: THE RFID CHIP CAN DELIVER CYANIDE AT THE GOVERNMENTS CONTROL TO KILL YOU.

    #3: THE GOVERNMENT HAS COMPLETE ACCESS AND CONTROL OVER YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS AT ALL TIMES. THEY CAN TAKE YOUR MONEY WHEN EVER THEY FEEL THE NEED. YOU CAN'T STOP THEM'

    #4: THEY CAN NO MAKE IT CRIMINAL FOR YOU TO BE OVER WEIGHT

    #5: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL TO HAVE OVER WEIGHT CHILDREN

    #6: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL TO TAKE SUPPLEMENTS AND NO APPROVED HEALTHY/ ORGANIC FOODS

    #7: THEY NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW YOU TO DIE, WHEN THEY FEEL, (not you) BUT THEY FEEL ITS CHEAPER TO LET YOU OR PEOPLE IN YOUR GROUP, OF SIMILAR SICK PEOPLE TO DIE.

    #8: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL \ IF YOU HAVE...



    MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE TAXES ISSUES ITS WHATS HIDDEN IN THE HEALTH ACT THAT WOULD MAKE HITLER SMILE

    HEALTH BILL HAS BEEN RULED CONSTITUTIONAL ! THESE ARE SOME OF THE HIDDEN FACTS! YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOLD ABOUT, BUT CAN READ IT IN THE 2000 PAGES. THAT IS NOW YOUR FUTURE! IT IS THE LAW THEY CN DO THESE THINGS TO YOU. AND ALL YOU LIBERALS VOTED THIS ANIMAL IN.

    EVIL LEADERS
    ALL BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LIBERALS SOCIALISTS PROGRESSIVES. HITLER WOULD BE SO PROUD AND ENVIOUS. OF THE ABILITY TO TRACK, MURDER AND FEED PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THEM.

    #1: ALL PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO BE CHIPPED WITH A RFID TAG

    #2: THE RFID CHIP CAN DELIVER CYANIDE AT THE GOVERNMENTS CONTROL TO KILL YOU.

    #3: THE GOVERNMENT HAS COMPLETE ACCESS AND CONTROL OVER YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS AT ALL TIMES. THEY CAN TAKE YOUR MONEY WHEN EVER THEY FEEL THE NEED. YOU CAN'T STOP THEM'

    #4: THEY CAN NO MAKE IT CRIMINAL FOR YOU TO BE OVER WEIGHT

    #5: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL TO HAVE OVER WEIGHT CHILDREN

    #6: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL TO TAKE SUPPLEMENTS AND NO APPROVED HEALTHY/ ORGANIC FOODS

    #7: THEY NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW YOU TO DIE, WHEN THEY FEEL, (not you) BUT THEY FEEL ITS CHEAPER TO LET YOU OR PEOPLE IN YOUR GROUP, OF SIMILAR SICK PEOPLE TO DIE.

    #8: THEY CAN NOW MAKE IT CRIMINAL \ IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER BABY, WHEN THEY SAY YOU HAVE HAD ENOUGH KIDS, AND FORCE YOU TO BE STERILIZED TO SAVE THE SYSTEM MONEY ! OR KILL YOU.. YOUR CHOICE.

    THESE ARE ALL FACTS !! READ THE HEALTH BILL AND ITS LAWS. ITS ALL RIGHT THERE AND EVERYTHING I JUST SAID IS A FACT !

    EVIL LEADERS
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  • Bob DiN sally 2012/06/29 00:08:06
    Bob DiN
    +1
    Your facts are pretty much on the mark, but I don't see how that helps Obama. The SCOTUS ruling was political not a ruling according to law.
  • bob'45 2012/06/28 20:02:13
    SCOTUS Hurts Obama 2012
    bob'45
    +2
    I certainly hope so!!!
  • Hawkeye 2012/06/28 19:53:54
    SCOTUS Hurts Obama 2012
    Hawkeye
    +4
    Chief Justice Roberts may INDEED have served his country in the most Patriotic manner possible..

    He may JUST have slammed the door on the re-election prospects of one Barack Hussein Obama and handed the White House,, AND the Congress,, over to the Republicans..

    Then it won't MATTER that the mandate and indeed,, the LAW itself,, in unconstitutional or not.. It will be Constitutionally REPEALED as per the WILL of WE,, the People and replaced with another plan that actually SOLVES the problems with Health Care in America instead of INCREASING them exponentially as Obamacare has done...
  • Ambassador II 2012/06/28 19:18:25
    SCOTUS Ruling Does Not Affect Obama 2012
    Ambassador II
    +2
    The only ones whose taxes will be raised are the freeloaders who now use the ER as their source for free medical care, or deadbeats who just stiff their Doctor. While there are millions of such persons out there, most will find some more significant reason to vote for or against Obama.
  • fudge35 2012/06/28 19:05:43
    SCOTUS Ruling Helps Obama 2012
    fudge35
    +1
    The ruling does not mean everyone gets a tax increase. Only people that refuse to buy health insurance will get a tax increase. No one that's poor, or already have insurance, will pay an increase in taxes!! So this Poll is disingenuous, or just lying!!!!!!!!!

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