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School Uses Shock Therapy on Autistic Students: Constructive or Cruel?

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The Judge Rotenberg Center, a special needs school in Massachusetts, is facing major controversy this week as information about the school's shock therapy program come to light. According to CNN, a student was treated for post traumatic stress disorder after receiving 31 electric shocks in a seven hour period. Officials were apparently trying to hide video footage of the shocking treatment, but was recently required to reveal it.

Other parents say the school is saving lives. One mother claims the shock treatment helped her son immensely, and calls the school a "godsend." Critics aren't so sure. Some call it torture. A group of opponents are even organizing a protest called Occupy JRC, to be held on June 2. It will include a wide range of speakers, from parents to disability advocates. But do you think shock therapy could be constructive?


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  • Rave 2012/05/23 14:05:40
    Cruel
    Rave
    +11
    Shock therapy has been known to CAUSE post-traumatic stress disorder in some patients. I feel it is outdated and we have better treatments available these days.

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  • MQ-American Values Again (AVA) 2012/05/25 01:43:48
    Cruel
    MQ-American Values Again (AVA)
    +2
    Oh my F'ng God... I'm so sick of hearing how cruel people treat children with needs ... it's sickening!
    I'm no professional ... but it would seem to me shock therapy should only be done by a doctor ... teachers are there to teach, not harm!
  • Common Sense Conservative 2012/05/25 01:38:20
    Constructive
    Common Sense Conservative
    Thanks again SH for the 3rd choice, you guys are brilliant.

    1st, where are the shocks applied?
    2nd, how much electricity is being sent through?

    There are tons of different shock treatments for a wide variety of problems. If it's just a low voltage shock I'd be in favor of it if it works with no damage. Almost all sports use different types of shock treatments for different ailments and this could be very similar. Some autistic kids just be freaking out because they think it might be harmful but it could be helping them. In other words, more information is needed.
  • newhon63 Common ... 2012/05/28 17:48:32
    newhon63
    +1
    Did watch the video? They are causing that child pain. And they did this to him because he refused to take off his coat. And to do it for several hours make it doubly heinous. What difference does it make where they shocked him. Just the fact that after the boy was taken off the table, they were laughing at him jerking around on the floor flopping like a fish is enough to jail them all for 5 years each. There is no way that can be touted as a viable method of treatment.
  • Common ... newhon63 2012/05/29 19:52:56
    Common Sense Conservative
    We don't know if it's physical pain or mental. If it is in fact physical pain then I need to be locked up as well because I have put a hurting on my kids with spankings.
  • Grammar... Common ... 2012/05/30 14:36:23
    Grammar Freak
    But how is it okay that the government is legally able to do things to our children that parents are not allowed to do? A parent would be instantly imprisoned for such actions... including the mocking, etc.

    Plus, the fact is, there is no doctor present controlling the voltage & duration of the "treatment" sessions. The behavior of the staff is also indicative of abuse, regardless of whether ECT is used or not. These individuals are unbelievably unprofessional, not to mention immature & irresponsible.
  • Common ... Grammar... 2012/05/30 23:59:29
    Common Sense Conservative
    I'm sure more will come out soon enough to give us more information. BTW, I have a TENS unit in my home that I have used not only on myself for different reasons but I've also loaned it out to others. No doctors.
  • Grammar... Common ... 2012/05/31 10:05:34
    Grammar Freak
    Yeah, I had one on one time while driving... went over a speed bump & the dial hit the seat belt... wwwwwwooooooooshshshshshsh!!!!
    I thought I'd go through the roof of my car!
    Thank gawd I still had enough wherewithal to just stop. I simply couldn't do much more. It hurt like hell & scared the hell out of me.

    Tense units are likely different from this shocking process. But even a tense unit can cause pain.
    I don't know how people get into using those damned things for sex.
  • Common ... Grammar... 2012/05/31 15:02:52
    Common Sense Conservative
    I don't know how they could be any different because electricity is electricity. It's just a matter of how much and what type of pulse. The only problem that I have with this whole story is that NOBODY besides the person getting shocked can tell how much electricity they are actually feeling.
  • Grammar... Common ... 2012/05/31 20:26:20
    Grammar Freak
    It was pretty clear from the screams that it was hurting him.
    Plus, being tied up for seven hours on your face on a board, without toilette breaks, without food or water... we do that in Guantanamo & other military prisons to captives... not even to our own citizens in prison.
  • Common ... Grammar... 2012/05/31 23:14:52
    Common Sense Conservative
    I hear what you are saying but screams can come from more than just the mere fact that electricity is hitting them. Like I said, I'll wait till more info comes out.
  • Grammar... Common ... 2012/05/31 23:21:48
    Grammar Freak
    The kid didn't act out in any way other than to say "no." When we can strap a kid to a board for seven hours without any kind of break & shock them with electricity... add to it the fact that the kid is autistic & might not perceive things the way we predict... there is no question that these individuals need to have the same done to them, but without the knowledge that this is supposed to somehow be "good" for them.
    This is beneath contemptible. They're children & we wouldn't dream of doing that to a fully functioning adult unless they were under interrogation process by the government.
    The kid is autistic, for gawd's sake.
  • Common ... Grammar... 2012/06/01 15:10:53
    Common Sense Conservative
    OK, I'll wait till all of the info comes out.
  • newhon63 Common ... 2012/06/04 20:07:18
    newhon63
    What are you talking about We don't know if it is physical or mental? You seen the patient tensing up each time they hit the switch,same as the rest of us. If I hit you with that, you'd be tensing up too.

    If you beat on you kids for 7 hours, then yes. You need to be locked up. Spankings do not harm a child permanently except for their pride and their bottom,lots of judges,lawyers and other professionals grew up with spankings and they turned out fine.
    Look at kids now who have grown up under the umbrella of the no-spank zone. They are rude,obnoxious, no manners.What they are doing with this shock therapy is not that, it is inflicting an inordinate amount of pain upon a person that does not even perceive the world in a way that allows them to process it so that they can make the connection between the pain and what they did wrong.They are using this for purposes to get the child to do what their education as special needs professionals should enable them to do. This is nothing more than treating these kids like a dog with a shock collar that is set to go off when the animal crosses the property line.
  • Common ... newhon63 2012/06/04 20:34:54 (edited)
    Common Sense Conservative
    If you think that's what they are doing then that is your right. I'll wait for the other side to present theirs and see how much is fabricated. I'm sure both sides will present a pretty strong case.
  • newhon63 Common ... 2012/06/04 20:56:11
    newhon63
    Ummmmmm......yup.....uh huh......uh huh......."No, Your Honor. We did not mean any Harm to these children.......Studies we did in-house indicate that the shocks we administered to these patients, while burning flesh in some cases, showed remarkable changes in the subjects. Instead of spending hours trying to teach them, a few presses of this button will have them cowering in the corner. And the rest of them will be so afraid it is their turn that they will soil their pants. This saves the staff time from having to take them to the restroom.

    "What voltage was used? We don't have exact numbers,Your Honor. It varies with size and weight of the subject. We just turn it up until the subject jerks around like a death row inmate in the electric chair."

    Then when it looks like this Dr. Israel is going to pay for his sick visions of treatment for autistics with some jail time, he will turn state's evidence and throw the rest of them under the bus.
  • starlight 2012/05/25 01:15:17
    Cruel
    starlight
    +1
    theyre kids!
  • Lisa 2012/05/25 00:09:12
    Cruel
    Lisa
    +2
    Well, if the child was forced to undergo shock therapy then yes it is cruel
  • teigan 2012/05/24 23:41:22
    Cruel
    teigan
    +3
    This is totally insane.
  • Common ... teigan 2012/05/25 01:39:03
    Common Sense Conservative
    All depends on voltage and where it's applied.
  • bob h. Common ... 2012/05/25 02:50:38
    bob h.
    +1
    Where the hell do you think it's applied? I think YOU got too many hits.
  • Common ... bob h. 2012/05/25 03:12:21
    Common Sense Conservative
    Where is it applied? How much voltage? Do you have the answers to these because they make a huge difference. I love how people always go to the avatar. Shows how liberal people are. In this case I'm guessing very liberal.

    Brilliant!!!
  • Beltazar Common ... 2012/05/25 04:11:05
    Beltazar
    +1
    now, the 2nd time I am trying to right this.. lol..
    I agree w/ ya totally.. Just the other day I had some dumb ass liberal go after my Avatar and username because he couldn't beat me on the political level.. He went off saying how evil I was and that my credibility couldn't mount to anything.. Then I asked him if he actually knew the real history of it, and how far back in history does the name actually goes.. And, after I showed him he had to actually shut up.. LOL.. apparently, he watches to much TV and not enough history channel..
    And as for this story/poll.. Well, I agree w/ you there really isn't enough information to say cruel or constructive.. Nice job on the reporting once again SH thread creator..
  • Common ... Beltazar 2012/05/25 05:35:36
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    Yeppers, thanks
  • Grandbr... Common ... 2012/05/25 13:07:34
    Grandbrother
    +1
    Saw news reports saying they're distributed around various areas of the body, and that when the kids do something "wrong", they don't know exactly where they'll be shocked. Also heard the shocks are indeed pretty strong. Check CNN - they did some extensive reporting on this...
  • Common ... Grandbr... 2012/05/25 17:18:35
    Common Sense Conservative
    OK, but do these reports state how much voltage? Like I said, every sports team and every physical therapist uses electricity for certain ailments and depending on which part of the body the feeling can be dramatically different. I'd bet that when most people read this article they automatically think it's a 110 voltage just as in your home. And chances are very very very slim it's even close to that. In fact, most of the machines used are mostly powered by a AAA battery but the feeling is there. Need much more information.
  • Grandbr... Common ... 2012/05/25 19:08:35
    Grandbrother
    +1
    They did talk about the voltage. It was far stronger than anything used for ailments and such that you mention. Let me find the report I saw...

    Okay, this isn't the specific report I saw, but it addresses some of your questions.



    Here's more. I highly recommend watching the whole video:

    http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/20...
  • Common ... Grandbr... 2012/05/25 20:16:19
    Common Sense Conservative
    I did watch the entire video and it doesn't give much information besides what this woman describes. And I have to say, if a kid were to get the belt from his parents when he were young when in big trouble, wouldn't showing that same belt to the child let him or her know that they need to behave when seeing it?
  • Grandbr... Common ... 2012/05/26 01:25:24 (edited)
    Grandbrother
    +1
    You ignore the elephant in the room, which is that painful punishment is not an appropriate or effective way to help autistic children to deal with the stress that causes their negative outbursts in the first place. Keeping them guessing as to which part of their body is about to receive a painful electric shock while they're already in a stressed state only amplifies the problem. Frankly, I'm having a difficult time understanding why you seem so gung-ho about excusing or possibly even supporting this kind of barbaric behavior.
  • Common ... Grandbr... 2012/05/26 18:29:36
    Common Sense Conservative
    Painful? I've only heard from ONE person that says it's painful.

    I have yet to say I support it, but rather I need more information.
  • Grandbr... Common ... 2012/05/27 00:54:17 (edited)
    Grandbrother
    +1
    http://abcnews.go.com/images/...
    "The shock administered is both painful and dangerous. The first generation of the GED administers 15.5 milliamps RMS of electricity for approximately 2 seconds – with a peak intensity of 30 milliamps. The GED-4 is approximately 3 times stronger than the original shock machine developed by Israel for children whose behavior cannot be controlled by the GED or who have become inured to the pain. It delivers 45.0 milliamps RMS for 2 seconds, with a peak intensity of 91 milliamps. According to the JRC website, they are now developing a third, more painful iteration of the GED."

    "'...The level of shock is unbelievable, very painful .... No other class of citizen in the United States could be subjected to this. You could not do this to a convicted felon.' – MDRI interview with psychologist who visited JRC on behalf of the New York State Department of Education"

    "Additionally, children are shackled, restrained and secluded for months at a time. Social isolation and food deprivation as punishment is common. Mock and threatened stabbings – to forcibly elicit unacceptable behaviors which then result in electric shock punishments (known as Behavioral Research Lessons or BRLs) - have been reported to MDRI and state regulatory bodies as well.

    'The worst thing e...











    http://abcnews.go.com/images/...
    "The shock administered is both painful and dangerous. The first generation of the GED administers 15.5 milliamps RMS of electricity for approximately 2 seconds – with a peak intensity of 30 milliamps. The GED-4 is approximately 3 times stronger than the original shock machine developed by Israel for children whose behavior cannot be controlled by the GED or who have become inured to the pain. It delivers 45.0 milliamps RMS for 2 seconds, with a peak intensity of 91 milliamps. According to the JRC website, they are now developing a third, more painful iteration of the GED."

    "'...The level of shock is unbelievable, very painful .... No other class of citizen in the United States could be subjected to this. You could not do this to a convicted felon.' – MDRI interview with psychologist who visited JRC on behalf of the New York State Department of Education"

    "Additionally, children are shackled, restrained and secluded for months at a time. Social isolation and food deprivation as punishment is common. Mock and threatened stabbings – to forcibly elicit unacceptable behaviors which then result in electric shock punishments (known as Behavioral Research Lessons or BRLs) - have been reported to MDRI and state regulatory bodies as well.

    'The worst thing ever was the BRLs. They try and make you do a bad behavior and then they punish you. The first time I had a BRL, two guys came in the room and grabbed me – I had no idea what was going on. They held a knife to my throat and I started to scream and I got shocked. I had BRL‟s three times a week for stuff I didn‟t even do. It went on for about six months or more. I was in a constant state of paranoia and fear. I never knew if a door opened if I would get one. It was more stress than I could ever imagine. Horror.' – MDRI interview with former JRC student"

    "Children and adults at JRC are routinely subject to electric shock, receiving multiple skin shocks on their legs, arms, hands, feet, fingers and torsos for behaviors such as getting out of their seats, making noises, swearing or not following staff directions. The homemade shock devices, invented by the school‘s founder, Matthew Israel, and manufactured at the school, are carried by students in backpacks with electrodes attached to their skin. The shock is administered remotely by minimally trained staff – some with only two weeks of training. Students never know when they will receive a jolt or where on their body they will be shocked. Some children are subjected to dozens of shocks over the course of a day. The April 2009 report by the Massachusetts Department of Mental Retardation (DMR), found that of the 109 children subjected to electric skin shocks, 48 had been receiving the shocks for 5 years or more.

    For 16 years, nearly half her life, Janine has been hooked up to Israel‟s device. A couple of years ago, when the shocks began to lose their effect, the staff switched the devices inside her backpack to the much more painful GED-4. – Jennifer Gonnerman, author of School of Shock, Mother Jones Magazine

    'It is imperative that JRC devise a protocol for reassessing the effectiveness of the aversive interventions [shock, restraint] once they have been tried for 5 years with only limited effectiveness...' – April 2009 report Massachusetts DMR

    I got the shocks for swearing, saying no, leaving a supervised area without asking and even for popping a pimple- any non-compliant behavior. I had one [electrode] on each arm, one on each leg and one around my waist. It is the worst pain, like a third degree burn. They tell people it feels like a bee sting but they lie. – MDRI interview with former student

    When you start working there, they show you this video which says the shock is “like a bee sting” and that it does not really hurt the kids. One kid, you could smell the flesh burning, he had so many shocks. These kids are under constant fear, 24/7. They sleep with them on, eat with them on. It made me sick and I could not sleep. I prayed to God someone would help these kids. – MDRI interview with former JRC teacher

    One time I was visiting my son and I saw the other students with the backpacks on. It really pained my heart. One child got a shock and then the others started to scream and cry. They were scared, and they were cringing. They were waiting for their turn. – MDRI interview with mother of former student"
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  • Common ... Grandbr... 2012/05/27 17:44:33
    Common Sense Conservative
    This information still doesn't tell the entire story or facts. A basic TENS unit used for sports therapy can put out a Pulse Amp: +80 thru -20 mA and up to 110 volts.

    Everyone has different pain thresholds and fear can and will create more pain sometimes.
  • Grandbr... Common ... 2012/05/27 21:45:16 (edited)
    Grandbrother
    +1
    So basically nothing at all will change your belief that torturing autistic kids is a swell way to make them do what you want. I mean that must be the case if even eyewitness testimony to these shocks resulting in the smell of "burnt flesh" isn't enough for you. Okay...as long as we're clear...
  • Common ... Grandbr... 2012/05/29 19:54:14
    Common Sense Conservative
    I never said torture is right for these kids. I said there is not sufficient information here to get the entire story. That's all.
  • Grandbr... Common ... 2012/05/29 21:57:51
    Grandbrother
    Right - just video footage, countless news stories and a detailed 67 page report on the school's practices. Exactly how much is needed to provide you with "the entire story" I wonder?
  • Common ... Grandbr... 2012/05/29 22:32:20
    Common Sense Conservative
    Who wrote the 67 pages? News stories? I wouldn't rust the media for anything. Video coverage of ONE individual. Yea, more information is needed.
  • Grandbr... Common ... 2012/05/29 22:37:00
    Grandbrother
    I provided you a link to a 67 page report compiled by Mental Disability Rights International, along with choice quotes from its research and findings. You claim to need more information, but you're too lazy to even click a link to see that information being handed directly to you.
  • Common ... Grandbr... 2012/05/29 22:41:30
    Common Sense Conservative
    Yes I do because it's one side of the story and it contains a one sided view of it.
  • Grandbr... Common ... 2012/05/29 23:05:25 (edited)
    Grandbrother
    Oh give me a break. You have no interest in information as an enormous amount of it has been provided directly to you. So if it's not information that's keeping you on the fence, then what is it really?
  • Common ... Grandbr... 2012/05/31 00:00:12
    Common Sense Conservative
    It's a one sided argument. Please show me ANYTHING that has been shown or said on the other side of it.
  • Grandbr... Common ... 2012/05/31 01:36:37
    Grandbrother
    I have, but you aren't interested in information.

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