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spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul 2011/11/29 01:07:14
(I got this from a friend who doesn't like to post on public polls, thank you)

It's a good thing to keep this in our memory banks.


In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh,
had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

>From bondage to spiritual faith;
>From spiritual faith to great courage;
>From great courage to liberty;
>From liberty to abundance;
>From abundance to complacency;
>From complacency to apathy;
>From apathy to dependence;
>From dependence back into bondage."
The Obituary follows: Born 1776; Died 2012
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Obama: 19; McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000; McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million; McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2; McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phases of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the USA we have come to know and love in fewer than five years.

If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.

If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at
stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom..

This is truly scary!
Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Someone should point this out to Obama. But we know he and too many others like him pay little attention to The Constitution.
There couldn't possibly be more at stake in Nov. 2012.
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  • Wonder Woman 2011/12/02 20:39:22
  • Reggie☮ 2011/11/30 04:28:34
    Reggie☮
    +1
    Good post, I have read this before and it's not just scary it's truly frightening.
  • redneck 2011/11/30 03:18:50
    redneck
    +1
    I beleive we are at the cross roads and we can change course,and get back to what America stands for and our beleifs.America can be stronger than before.we have to make the difference.Stop the madness before it will be to late .
  • spiderm... redneck 2011/11/30 04:14:11
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    Thank you.... we have to stop the madness!!!
  • 4dc 2011/11/29 23:29:12
    4dc
    +1
    i believe you've nailed it...nice post
  • spiderm... 4dc 2011/11/30 00:06:47
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    Thank you 4dc....;)
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2011/11/29 14:50:35
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Scary indeed.
  • S. Gompers 2011/11/29 14:26:44
    S. Gompers
    +3
    Most Americans are more concerned with what is on tv tonight.
  • spiderm... S. Gompers 2011/11/29 20:05:04
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    +1
    Sad but true...
  • Dean Butler 2011/11/29 14:12:17
    Dean Butler
    +1
    I read all the comments and followed the supplied links to be better informed. And that I am. It all kind of makes you wonder.... I prefer not to think of myself as a puppet on a string and choose to be in charge of my own destiny. I also prefer to think that I am not alone. Although many predictions have come to pass many also have not. We all take and take, but once we have taken enough....watch what happens. Self preservation is as natural as breathing. When we need to pull together to make a difference it happens.
    Thank you for sharing and thank you for all the informative comments and links
  • spiderm... Dean Bu... 2011/11/29 20:05:45
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    Thank you Dean...
  • Dean Bu... spiderm... 2011/11/30 02:50:36
    Dean Butler
    +1
    Thank you for the invite... :?)
    If you facebook look me up :?)
  • rose 2011/11/29 10:45:49
    rose
    +3
    JUST ANOTHER RIGHT WING BULL CRAP STORY ..FROM UNKNOWN PEOPLE.. Myth Blaster Verdict: Variable.

    First, the second part of the e-mail attributes 2000 election statistics to a Professor Joseph Olson, Hamline University. A real person who sent an e-mail to Snopes and told them he did not write it. Secondly, after checking with the National Archive of Criminal Justice Data the numbers are incorrect.

    This portion of the e-mail appeared separately in 2001 concerning the statistics and was added to the “Tyler” quotation.

    The first part, a quote attributed to “Alexander Tyler” was sent by someone who spelled his name wrong. The person was Alexander Fraser Tytler, Scottish historian and professor who wrote several books in the late 1700s and early 1800s. Also, only part of the quote is attributed to Tytler, which is the following according to Bartleby, and even then it is tagged as unverified. Here is the real quote:


    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, ...




















    JUST ANOTHER RIGHT WING BULL CRAP STORY ..FROM UNKNOWN PEOPLE.. Myth Blaster Verdict: Variable.

    First, the second part of the e-mail attributes 2000 election statistics to a Professor Joseph Olson, Hamline University. A real person who sent an e-mail to Snopes and told them he did not write it. Secondly, after checking with the National Archive of Criminal Justice Data the numbers are incorrect.

    This portion of the e-mail appeared separately in 2001 concerning the statistics and was added to the “Tyler” quotation.

    The first part, a quote attributed to “Alexander Tyler” was sent by someone who spelled his name wrong. The person was Alexander Fraser Tytler, Scottish historian and professor who wrote several books in the late 1700s and early 1800s. Also, only part of the quote is attributed to Tytler, which is the following according to Bartleby, and even then it is tagged as unverified. Here is the real quote:


    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”

    The reason why it is unverified is that the words above could not be found in any of Tytler’s books – by me, Snopes or other folks who researched.

    The second part of “Tyler’s” quote I have seen somewhere, and found it was used in a speech by Senator Strom Thurmond addressing the Aberdeen Chamber of Commerce in Aberdeen, South Carolina, January 6th, 1965, which he stated:


    “I am reminded that the studies of R. G. LeTourneau show that the average age of the world’s great governments has been 200 years, and that the general steps through which they progressed were: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from abundance to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back again to bondage.”

    Someone added it in to Professor Tytler’s quotation. It is quite possible that the words were in one of his lectures and not his books. A Google search for “from bondage to spiritual faith” produces about 1,830,000 results. Loren Collins came up with the same information as I did and then some, and is listed in the top ten searches for the phrase above.

    But whoever wrote the original e-mail, conglomerated several pieces of information, probably from e-mail they received and it turned into a chain mail of misinformation. Regardless of these findings and whoever wrote it, the first part that is attributed to a Scottish professor of the 1700s and whose name is spelled wrong, the words ring true in respect to the history of democracy – which we should pay attention to in today’s America. Here is the restructured text in its entirety:


    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.”

    The last part of the e-mail are comments from the person or persons who put it together:


    “If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.”

    Thanks to Quills, Iowa, for her submission of this circulating e-mail.
    (more)
  • Torchma... rose 2011/11/29 14:52:42
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    If you do that much research, you know that obaaaama IS a self described racist and marxist.
  • rose Torchma... 2011/11/29 14:55:01
    rose
    +3
    No OBAMA is a Christian and Republicans are the racists
  • rose Torchma... 2011/12/30 19:27:15
    rose
    NO the TEA PARTY IS a self described racist and marxist.
  • JHup BN-0 rose 2011/12/01 23:36:51
    JHup BN-0
    Thank you for your research and efforts to enlighten (which, sadly, are wasted here, I am afraid). I received similar versions of the quoted chainmail several times and also researched it, finding pretty much the same info that you have. I didn't delve half as deep as you though! Congrats on a thorough job!
  • rwsncool 2011/11/29 10:31:22
  • Katherine 2011/11/29 06:05:10
    Katherine
    +2
    I've read this before, but it's always a good reminder or good to get the word out. Thanks.
  • Bartolomeo Panciatichi 2011/11/29 05:11:58
  • Walt Bartolo... 2011/11/29 05:39:23
  • Katherine Walt 2011/11/29 06:04:19
    Katherine
    +2
    And funded by Soros......
  • Guru_T_... Katherine 2011/11/29 18:37:21
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +1
    Worthless without proof. Valid, non-partisan proof.
  • Guru_T_... Walt 2011/11/29 18:31:45 (edited)
  • Katherine Guru_T_... 2011/11/29 21:18:44
    Katherine
    +1
    Hah, factcheck also funded by Soros. Lovely.
  • Guru_T_... Katherine 2011/11/29 22:56:27
    Guru_T_Firefly
    +1
    Prove it or shut the hell up. Valid, non-partisan sources only.
  • Katherine Guru_T_... 2011/11/29 23:09:01
    Katherine
    +2
    Oh, talk dirty to me, Rufus. You know I love quarreling with you.
  • spiderm... Walt 2011/11/29 20:10:53
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    +1
    Thank you Walt...
  • spiderm... Bartolo... 2011/11/29 20:09:49
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    Thank you for sharing that...
  • JonDeniro 2011/11/29 04:30:40
    JonDeniro
    +1
    "But we know he and too many others like him pay little attention to The Constitution.
    There couldn't possibly be more at stake in Nov. 2012."

    There is the problem.

    Ron Paul is the answer.
  • GeorgiaGirl 2011/11/29 04:12:49
    GeorgiaGirl
    +2
    Very scary indeed!
  • GINGERBREAD 2011/11/29 02:50:55
    GINGERBREAD
    +2
    This all started out in the FDR administration. I know, in those days, it was just the tiniest part of the budget. But when that happened, these Washington politicians realised that they don't need a constitutional amendment in order to change the constitution. They can just pass a law, or to be more proper, a "BILL", that will take money from someone that has the money, and give it to somebody else that didn't have the money. In other words, they can "bribe" the electors, and in return, the electors will continue to re-elect the "BRIBERS". And they had the help of the Supreme Court, because the Supreme Court declared that once the congress makes the law, it becomes part of the constitution. When that happens, we were screwed.
  • ShortyDoWop 2011/11/29 02:49:49
    ShortyDoWop
    +1
    wow, interesting indeed, nothing i didn't know already, but best to see it put into another perspective
  • Ken 2011/11/29 02:38:56
    Ken
    +3
    Get off your lazy asses and vote.
  • spiderm... Ken 2011/11/29 02:40:32
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    +1
    Amen!!
  • Ruadon 2011/11/29 02:34:16
  • spiderm... Ruadon 2011/11/29 02:38:42
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    +1
    It really is!
  • Ruadon spiderm... 2011/11/29 02:39:15
    Ruadon
    +1
    yeah...
  • ImageBandit ~ American Patriot 2011/11/29 02:33:25
    ImageBandit ~ American Patriot
    +3
    passed on - I have read this before
  • spiderm... ImageBa... 2011/11/29 02:34:49
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    +2
    You probably read it from the same group I got it from.... she didn't want to post a public poll but said I could post it.......

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