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Christine Lusey 2011/08/18 11:00:00
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Suffolk County, NY, is tired of violence between rival gangs, and they're asking a judge to approve a new strategy: barring gang members from a "safety zone" of two square miles.

Officials say the idea has been implemented successfully in other communities, though the New York State Supreme Court overturned such a ban in New York City in 2000, ruling that gang members had not committed activities dangerous enough that their civil liberties should be infringed upon.

Suffolk plans to use a "gang registry" and, if granted, the measure would bar known members of the Wyandanch Bloods and the Braveheart Bloods from the safety zone. The men would be notified and have the opportunity to prove that they were no longer affiliated with the gang.

“Gangs have the propensity to take over schoolyards, street corners, playgrounds,” says Suffolk County executive Steve Levy. "They do not own those streets. The people of the community own the streets.”

The New York Civil Liberties Union does not expect the judge to approve the measure. “You can’t ban people from public areas,” says Amol Sinha, director of the Suffolk County chapter.

Read More: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/nyregion/suffolk...

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  • Wahvlvke 2011/08/18 11:13:08
    Yes
    Wahvlvke
    +13
    Sounds like law enforcement in Suffolk County should get on social media and organize flash shootings of the gang members.

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  • Magic R 2011/08/31 04:30:45
    Undecided
    Magic R
    I guess it depends on who's doing the banning???
  • Caesar 2011/08/24 21:03:03
    Yes
    Caesar
    I worry that this type of thing can get out of hand and can be abused once a precedent is set, but for something like this, I completely agree.
  • EDWARD G 2011/08/24 02:27:53
    Yes
    EDWARD G
    +1
    Start with the entire planet.
  • Nikki Jones 2011/08/23 19:26:26
    Yes
    Nikki Jones
    Gather them all up like Guilliani did to the hobos in Manhattan....you only see a handful now and then....

    he put them in a woodchipper
  • Sam Hassock 2011/08/23 15:30:08 (edited)
    Yes
    Sam Hassock
    Gang members should be arrested. Period.

    There is nothing good that comes out a gang.

    One area of the justice system that I think is actually worth the money.



    Too bad we spend all our tax money

    arresting peaceful pot smokers instead.
  • zoey 2011/08/23 04:35:27
    Yes
    zoey
    +1
    Yes, should be banned on the planet called Earth!
  • RicemanSTM ~POTL~PWCM~JLA~AFCL 2011/08/22 20:20:11
    Undecided
    RicemanSTM ~POTL~PWCM~JLA~AFCL
    +1
    Make gang affiliation a capital crime. End of problem.
  • 4dc 2011/08/21 18:44:36
    Yes
    4dc
    why not? you join a "gang" you know what your getting into...and that's going to include some infringements on your "freedoms"...
  • 001 2011/08/21 17:07:54
    Undecided
    001
    There is no place for violence where there is place for children, that's for sure. I understand parents won't want to take their children to these places anymore if there are gangmembers hanging around. But once again only the easiest 'solution' is debated and I wonder how much of a solution it is. What are you going to do when they turn up anyway? Violently arrest them in front of the children?
    They should start thinking about why there are gangs on playgrounds and school yards. Look at the reasons these people even joined gangs. Perhaps find a solution for their drug dealing lifestyle. Get them into councelling. Rejection will have the opposite effect of what they are aiming for, the gangs might stop fighting each other and have a go at the police instead.
  • Soldier4Christ82 2011/08/21 16:41:59
    Yes
    Soldier4Christ82
    EVERY area but prison. To pass laws that say that gang members have to stay within this area or that area ignores the fact that they have little, if any, regard for the law.
  • Caedus01 Sith Lord of the P... 2011/08/21 08:49:51
    No
    Caedus01 Sith Lord of the PHAET
  • Caedus0... Caedus0... 2011/08/21 08:50:27
    Caedus01 Sith Lord of the PHAET
    wrong button...damn
  • sarah 2011/08/21 07:15:59
    Yes
    sarah
    They should be banned from planet earth.
  • Anariashki 2011/08/21 06:05:34
    Undecided
    Anariashki
    What gang member with a functioning brain stem cares if he's banned from an area? If he wants to be there, he'll be there anyway. If you arrest him for violating the ban, you contribute to recidivism, especially with a B.S. charge like "being a gang member in a 'Safety Zone.'" Never mind the potential implications of the precedent this sets.
  • maxlaboy 2011/08/21 00:20:08
    Yes
    maxlaboy
    Gangs are illegal criminal groups last I heard. They should be banned EVERYPLACE
  • THE SCARY GUY 2011/08/20 19:39:54
    No
    THE SCARY GUY
    IT IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO THEIR BEHAVIOR NOR IS IT GOING TO PROTECT ANYONE AT ALL.
  • Clare Marie 2011/08/20 14:30:56
    Yes
    Clare Marie
    Specifically Schools and Playgrounds for childrens' sake.
  • Andrea 2011/08/20 13:28:53
    Yes
    Andrea
    ALL areas.
  • Hebsi 2011/08/20 10:44:08
    No
    Hebsi
    So people want to ban gangs from communities but they support people having guns in bars which is just as dangerous. Hypocritical much?
  • Luca 2011/08/19 23:09:02
    Yes
    Luca
    Yes. The United States should be considered "off-limits". Mexico should be training camps. Middle East should be the field of the gang rivalry.

    Need any other tough issues resolved? :))
  • Cptfreakout . 2011/08/19 22:40:48
    Undecided
    Cptfreakout .
    Good in theory but not workable in practice , gang members just need a change of outfit and without colours how will you know ? and kids being fashion slaves will always dress like a thug as it's the style so there goes that idea .
    Of course we could keep the punk incarcerated when they break the law or allow the right of defence of self and property .
  • Witty1 2011/08/19 19:02:24
    Yes
    Witty1
    If a person is affiliated with a group that commits crime and violence, they should probably be in 1 of 2 places. Either 6ft under, or behind bars.
  • Michael... Witty1 2011/08/28 18:03:46
    MichaelDillon
    +1
    I reecoment one small change, Chain gang instead of bars.
  • sugardaddy 2011/08/19 17:52:15
    Undecided
    sugardaddy
    I picked undecided because it,s only a good idea in theory ,

    but it wont work in reality in fact saying someone is in a gang and proving it in a court of law with an Attorney defending them is a whole nother thing.

    they could end up suing the city for discrimination and violating there constitutional right,s thus bankrupting the system because of this unworkable approach.

    Besides hardcore gang members you aren't going to move anyway law or no law they would start shooting at patrol cars from a block away and soon they wouldnt even go in there as the reason for it compared to the danger of it would make it unwarranted or just too stupid in other word,s ...its better to get some dead skunks and throw em everywhere at night and have em picked up in the morning.
  • lawlerskates 2011/08/19 17:41:52
    Undecided
    lawlerskates
    +1
    Do lawmakers often forget that these gang members aren't particularly interested in following the law? It seems like it. This law will make no difference at all, better law ENFORCEMENT will work......
  • Hsmagst lawlers... 2011/08/21 12:23:21
  • lawlers... Hsmagst 2011/08/21 14:57:39
    lawlerskates
    lol I think you can just go ahead and arrest them without putting a new law in place....but whatever that's just how I feel.
  • Charge 2011/08/19 16:25:36
    No
    Charge
    But if they cause trouble they should be arrested.
  • moonchild 2011/08/19 15:50:15
    Yes
    moonchild
    Gang members shouldn't exist at all. They are criminals that need to be disbanded and jailed.
  • Centurion~PWCM~JLA 2011/08/19 14:49:02
    No
    Centurion~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    A two square mile safety zone?

    If anything, that safety zone will probably have more gang members than any two miles anywhere.

    What do these gangs produce besides trouble? I sometimes have to deal with them and the ones I have to deal with are just punks as are their dads and their grandfathers are not much better.

    I'd much rather that we ban gang members from everywhere except for six feet below the ground in cemeteries. They will be harmless enough there.



    dads grandfathers ban gang members feet ground cemeteries harmless cemetery
  • Tank Centuri... 2011/08/19 16:08:21
  • David 2011/08/19 14:44:11
    Yes
    David
    Planet earth!
  • FunkyMunky 2011/08/19 14:35:24
    Undecided
    FunkyMunky
    I know that area of Long Island. Safety is important but people need to have opportunity to make things right if they can. "Banning" a person is pretty extreme.
  • Rosalie 2011/08/19 14:16:09
    Yes
    Rosalie
    YES,YES,YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • politicalsoldier 2011/08/19 14:05:32
    Yes
    politicalsoldier
    +1
    Hell yes.

    How about we go after all gangs like we did with the police and the feds back in the thirties — with bullets.
  • flrdsgns 2011/08/19 13:55:03
    Yes
    flrdsgns
    How about banning gangs altogether?
  • Franklin 2011/08/19 12:46:03
    No
    Franklin
    +1
    this would hurt the Obama 2012 campaign ! LOL
  • sjalan 2011/08/19 12:07:58
    Undecided
    sjalan
    Although it would be nice to be able to do so, I don't think that a community can create "gang free zones" where that area is public domain.

    Now if they deeded that area to a development company owned by the city and created a membership required status for the area, with published restrictions as to membership, they may get away with it based upon the SCOTUS decision of private membership organizations being able to restict from their membership and use of property people who are not members. (Dale v BSA)

    I know, it's a strech but at least worth looking at.
  • twhiting9275 2011/08/19 11:32:22
    Yes
    twhiting9275
    For the safety of everyone else, yes.
    You wanna be a gang banger, do it in the middle of nowhere where you can't hurt anyone but yourself.
  • Mr. Bean 2011/08/19 11:26:20
    Yes
    Mr. Bean
    If people want to be in gangs, they should be locked up in the middle of Texas. Let them fight it out there.
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