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SAY WHAT? Prince Charles Says U.S. Beef Consumption Threatens the World's Water Supply: Does It?

Travis J. Quibbert May 06, 2011 11:00:00
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Coming off the estimated $36 million dollar wedding of his eldest son, you'd think Prince Charles would have the good sense not to launch into any harangues about excess for a while.

Nope! There he was in Washington recently lecturing us on our water-supply-threatening beef lust.

The Prince of Wales, who reportedly flew in from the U.K. on a private jet, told the Future of Food conference at Georgetown University that "for every pound of beef produced in the industrial system, it takes two thousand gallons of water.

“That is a lot of water and there is plenty of evidence that the Earth cannot keep up with the demand.”


In 2009, the Prince of Wales, and 14 members of his staff, undertook a 16,000-mile round trip to South America to promote a campaign of environmental awareness ... on a giant Airbus he had converted into a luxury private plane.

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  • les_gvt May 06, 2011 13:17:34
    No
    les_gvt
    +15
    Maybe there is a valid reason as to why Queen Elizabeth wants to by pass him when she dies

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  • mg's haven~POTL~PWCM~JLA May 31, 2011 05:28:40
    No
    mg's haven~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    This is the same twit that married someone really young chased her off and acted like an ass the whole time while his two boys had to watch. I have no respect for someone that would do that.
  • studiobrat BN-0 May 11, 2011 08:28:33
    No
    studiobrat  BN-0
    Prince Charles should stick to England's problems and not create any for America!
  • igillum May 09, 2011 21:08:10
    Yes
    igillum
    Everything threatens the world's water supply. Commercial agriculture as a whole threatens mankind. His support of food safety legislation and Codex laws has done more harm to this planet and human health than cattle ever could.
  • Brightsprite62 May 08, 2011 15:48:09
    No
    Brightsprite62
    Lately everything America does seems to Threaten the world. I say Forget them and the boat they road in on.
  • Callaway May 07, 2011 14:19:04
  • Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA May 07, 2011 14:02:33
    Yes
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    Thats why you have to pay for water when you order a big beef burger.
  • TasselLady May 07, 2011 13:45:04
    No
    TasselLady
    Not unless it's contaminated, HELLO!!!!! I hardly think beef is a problem. I don't eat it often anyway.
  • Jackie O May 07, 2011 13:29:58
    Undecided
    Jackie O
    The beef produced here in the US drinks from our water supplies. Unfortunately for many of us, we have too much water. Having said that it is recommended that you curtail your red meat consumption, for health reasons.
  • Gloria May 07, 2011 13:23:21
    Yes
    Gloria
    Too much cattle & sheep grazing ruin water, air, & land.
  • Daniel May 07, 2011 13:04:47
    No
    Daniel
    Poor poor England. Gas $7.76 a gallon in England. Aids wiping them out and they spend that kind of money on a couple of kids getting married.

    Outlaw homosexuality so the damn gay muslims go home. Spend money getting a damn Iceburge shipped to England and trade water for oil.
  • Anonymouse Daniel May 08, 2011 22:29:04
    Anonymouse
    What? None of that made any sense!? Any way, we can live with the high petrol prices because we never have to drive very far. And the taxes help fund our social security system (which is quite a lot better than the US's btw). Your AIDS part made no sense at all, and the royal family paid for most of the wedding, which brought a few billion into our economy, so all's good. Your next bit makes no sense either, especially as Muslims can't be gay. And neither did the last bit. This needs some explaining. :/
  • Catherine May 07, 2011 11:09:43
    No
    Catherine
    +1
    Go play house with Camilla.. play house camilla charles and camilla
  • Callaway Catherine May 07, 2011 18:19:16
    Callaway
    +1
    Wow together their looks would be responsible for untold amounts of train wrecks.....
  • Q May 07, 2011 11:09:23 (edited)
    Undecided
    Q
    There are other environmental impacts also: Producing 1kg of beef results in more CO2 emissions than going for a three-hour drive while leaving all the lights on at home, scientists say.The production process also led to fertilising compounds equivalent to 340g of sulphur dioxide and 59g of phosphate, and consumed 169 megajoules of energy. Over two-thirds of the energy is spent on producing and moving cattle feed.

    A Swedish study conducted in 2003 claimed that raising organic beef on grass rather than feed, reduced greenhouse gas emissions by 40% and consumed 85% less energy.
    I just wish they would change over to more environmentally sensitive beef production methods compared to industrial scale grain fed beef as is the standard practice now.

    While I may want to drive a car with better gas mileage and would like to reduce my carbon footprint it won't be by giving up on a good steak or even greasy cheeseburgers hypocrite that I am.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/env...

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    There are other environmental impacts also: Producing 1kg of beef results in more CO2 emissions than going for a three-hour drive while leaving all the lights on at home, scientists say.The production process also led to fertilising compounds equivalent to 340g of sulphur dioxide and 59g of phosphate, and consumed 169 megajoules of energy. Over two-thirds of the energy is spent on producing and moving cattle feed.

    A Swedish study conducted in 2003 claimed that raising organic beef on grass rather than feed, reduced greenhouse gas emissions by 40% and consumed 85% less energy.
    I just wish they would change over to more environmentally sensitive beef production methods compared to industrial scale grain fed beef as is the standard practice now.

    While I may want to drive a car with better gas mileage and would like to reduce my carbon footprint it won't be by giving up on a good steak or even greasy cheeseburgers hypocrite that I am.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/env...
    footprint swearing steak greasy cheeseburgers hypocrite httpwww guardian ukenv grain feed beef lots footprint swearing steak greasy cheeseburgers hypocrite httpwww guardian ukenv grain feed beef lots
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  • Richard Hungwell AKA Relent... May 07, 2011 10:31:43
    No
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    Yes, cattle can drink a lot of water. Which they in turn piss back out, where it evaporates into the atmosphere and comes back down as water again.
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 08, 2011 22:31:32
    Anonymouse
    There's barely any water in their urine. That's not the main source anyway.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 09, 2011 16:50:23
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    What!?! Cow urine is almost entirely water, just like every other mammal. While true they do also have water in there muscles/fat, blood and of course milk. The result is still the same. It eventually makes it back to where it came from.
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 09, 2011 18:44:20
    Anonymouse
    What about water in production of meat and feed? A camel's urine is potent enough to burn through steel.
  • Anonymouse Anonymouse May 09, 2011 18:56:54
    Anonymouse
    and I meant compared to most mammals
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 09, 2011 19:52:56
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    Other animals have nothing to do with this. The fact still remains that it is mostly water and the water portion will evaporate in the long run. Same with feed and meat, most of the water which a plant uses is lost from the leaves through a process called transpiration. Any water left in the ground will either evaporate or sink into a water table. As for the feed itself, it is very similar to the meat. It will be broken down as it consumed just as we do any food. The water will come out as sweat, urine or excrement, and it will just as in the case of the cow, eventually make its way back into the earths water supply.
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 09, 2011 20:28:27
    Anonymouse
    Water which cannot be used by us, whilst we have wasted millions of gallons of clean water on meat. All this water ends up underground or in the sea (see water cycle) - not fit for use by humans (seawater is an emetic).
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 09, 2011 20:48:43
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    Underground water is used by humans everyday. AKA "well water" and sea water is only emetic until it is evaporated and comes back down as rain which is not emetic and can easily be used by humans. it can also be distilled and become clean enough for any purpose.
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 09, 2011 20:54:58
    Anonymouse
    Industrial scale distillation can be expensive. It would most likely condense over the sea again anyway. Well water is used, but the water would get back to the surface or the level of the well in years if not tens of years.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 10, 2011 15:48:44
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    First off remember that water only needs to be "pure" for human consumption. cows drink from ponds and streams all the time and they don't really seem to mind.
    Why would it condense over the ocean. If you are distilling water, you are obviously going to capture the condensation, Not just let fly away. The cost of the distillation process can be expensive to start but does not have to be. Once the initial start up cost is taken care of the operation can be relatively inexpensive.
    There are also many more ways to purify water than just distillation. Look at bigger cities for example. They turn raw sewage back into usable water all the time.
    As for well water, The amount of time it takes to be replenished depends on the depth of the aquifer it comes from. Most wells can be ran dry and replenish within a days if not hours(My last house would replenish within about 2 hrs if I ran it dry). The only time it would take longer than say a year(assuming you found a way to run a VERY large aquifer completely dry and waited for it to fill all the way back up) is if you tapped into a confined aquifer. And if that's the case my only question is. What the hell were you doing drilling that deep?!?! Not to mention that all the water taken from it would remain here on the "surface" where it is easily accessible and usable for centuries. So it's really a win win situation.
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 10, 2011 16:08:48
    Anonymouse
    Come back down as rain was the idea. And the point is that it uses much more water to eat meat than we have accessible. Sea water is more commonly used in electrolysis for chlorine hydrogen and sodium hydroxide, and consider mineral water. It takes centuries for thAt to go through the layers. It is a very small chance it will land somewhere accessible or useful, if might land in a recreational pond which isn't used for water. And we can't keep up with the demand for water as it is, especially with al this cattle demanding water and releasing methane.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 10, 2011 17:02:06 (edited)
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    Mineral water has nothing to do with this and it absorbs just as quickly as all other water, the minerals just get filtered out as they go down through the layers of earth. As they soak through certain layers the minerals become trapped and leave deposits, besides you don't need mineral water for raising cattle. And the argument that we need more water than is accessible to eat meat is based on false logic. As for sea water, what it is more commonly used as and what it can be used as are two totally separate things. And that is also not entirely true. A large portion of our rain fall comes from sea water that has been evaporated from the salt water in our oceans and comes back down over land as fresh water. And whether it ends up in a lake, a river, on top of a mountain as
    snow, or in a wal-mart parking lot. it all either soaks in, evaporates, or turns into run off and ends up back in the ocean where the cycle starts over again. Besides, haven't you seen the news lately? Lack of water is exactly a problem in the US right now.
    All this is going on right now!

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    Mineral water has nothing to do with this and it absorbs just as quickly as all other water, the minerals just get filtered out as they go down through the layers of earth. As they soak through certain layers the minerals become trapped and leave deposits, besides you don't need mineral water for raising cattle. And the argument that we need more water than is accessible to eat meat is based on false logic. As for sea water, what it is more commonly used as and what it can be used as are two totally separate things. And that is also not entirely true. A large portion of our rain fall comes from sea water that has been evaporated from the salt water in our oceans and comes back down over land as fresh water. And whether it ends up in a lake, a river, on top of a mountain as
    snow, or in a wal-mart parking lot. it all either soaks in, evaporates, or turns into run off and ends up back in the ocean where the cycle starts over again. Besides, haven't you seen the news lately? Lack of water is exactly a problem in the US right now.
    All this is going on right now!

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  • Anonymouse Richard... May 10, 2011 17:49:49
    Anonymouse
    Didn't know about that. Then again, why would I... You can see the state of this water - completely unusable. Demand is much greater than supply, only 0.1% water is fresh.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 10, 2011 18:06:33 (edited)
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    that water is not usable as drinking water in it's current state, but it could easily be boiled for drinking water. and it is perfectly fine for watering plants which could be used as feed for cattle. I'm not sure whether it is safe for the cattle that are drinking it or not, I know it is not fit for human consumption, but other animals are able to handle a LOT more than we can. not to mention as it soaks in, and evaporates it will be just as usable as any other water. Besides, didn't you see Al gore's movie? All the Ice on earth is going to melt soon anyway and we will have more water than we know what to do with. So if we raise billions of extra thirsty cattle we can avert the whole global flooding crisis :)
    raise billions extra thirsty cattle avert global flooding crisis Al gore global warming
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 10, 2011 20:16:45
    Anonymouse
    More water that will melt into the sea. It'll decrease the proportion of fresh water even more. Although, if we look at the western world, we have loads of water ready for use. But then there are billions with no access to water like this. If we were to share it out like we should if we weren't all so greedy, it would have to be heavily rationed. Billions of cows certainly don't help the matter.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 11, 2011 16:45:50
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    You don't seem to understand the water cycle very well. So let me explain. No matter whether the water is in a salty ocean or a muddy pond, when it evaporates and falls back down as rain it becomes "fresh" again. The evaporation process takes out the salt from the sea water and the contaminates from lakes and ponds and anywhere else it may evaporate from. therefore using sea water and such to replenish our fresh water. Besides that our water consumption has been dropping since 1985 and even then we were nowhere near the catastrophe prince charles is implying.
    Sharing our water supply with the countries that need it, like some third world nations in africa is a nice idea, but it would be a logistical nightmare. Sure, we could send bottled drinking water, But they don't have the money to pay for it. And we dont have the technology to send the amounts of water that would be needed to support their agricultural and industrial needs. It's not like by saving water here, we leave more to other nations. any water we don't use here simply stays here or runs back out to the ocean where the process starts all over.

    BTW, the Al gore comment was a joke. His claims have more holes in them than swiss cheese. He just tries to fill them with politics. the water level increase he claimed was reported to be 17 times higher than the most extreme scientific data projected.
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 11, 2011 22:40:12 (edited)
    Anonymouse
    What al gore comment? Who's al gore? I understand the water cycle perfectly, I am merely stating that as there is more sea than land, it is more likely to rain in the sea, where it is recontaminated by salt. Apparently Nicolas Sarcozy was trying to get water piped from the Congo to France because they were running low, even though the natives have to pay ridiculously high prices for the little water there is. If we weren't so greedy, this would not be a problem. It is not economical to send bottled water over, the western governments should fund the building of wells for them at least. It is the flaw of capitalism. They have no water, so they have no money from not many people working and being in hospital, and so they can't afford to buy water to improve it, whilst the western countries can afford loads but don't necessarily need it.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 12, 2011 13:37:04
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    +1
    Al gore was the nut job that ran for president in the united states and also tried to convince everyone that global warming was a much bigger problem than it is. By his assumption we would probably all be dead by now. He was just a politician trying to make a name for himself. But everything he has said has been debunked.

    And while it is probably true that more rain falls into the sea than on land. That is irrelevant since there is still an excess of rain landing on land. Think of all the fresh water rivers leading into the ocean's. If there was a water crisis we would be using it instead of letting it run into the oceans. The "great lakes" (Lakes Superior, Michigan, Huron, Erie, and Ontario) are the the largest fresh water standing bodies of water in the united states, They contain roughly 1/5th of the earths fresh water. enough to cover the entire 48 contiguous states in over 9 feet of water. Over the past 100 years the water level has remained relatively constant only moving a few feet overall. Mainly due to relatively dry weather. Agriculture has had a a very small effect on the overall water level at the great lakes and other places across the country. Therefore I say that our beef consumption is not a risk to the ecosystem that chuck thinks it is. There is no scientific d...
    Al gore was the nut job that ran for president in the united states and also tried to convince everyone that global warming was a much bigger problem than it is. By his assumption we would probably all be dead by now. He was just a politician trying to make a name for himself. But everything he has said has been debunked.

    And while it is probably true that more rain falls into the sea than on land. That is irrelevant since there is still an excess of rain landing on land. Think of all the fresh water rivers leading into the ocean's. If there was a water crisis we would be using it instead of letting it run into the oceans. The "great lakes" (Lakes Superior, Michigan, Huron, Erie, and Ontario) are the the largest fresh water standing bodies of water in the united states, They contain roughly 1/5th of the earths fresh water. enough to cover the entire 48 contiguous states in over 9 feet of water. Over the past 100 years the water level has remained relatively constant only moving a few feet overall. Mainly due to relatively dry weather. Agriculture has had a a very small effect on the overall water level at the great lakes and other places across the country. Therefore I say that our beef consumption is not a risk to the ecosystem that chuck thinks it is. There is no scientific data to say otherwise, only a politician trying to stir up attention so he can get in the news.

    Not that it really relates to the beef issue, but why cant these people dig their own wells?
    and if someone is to help them, surely the UK would be in a better position. Digging wells to supply water to all these places would be at an astronomical cost currently the US debt is more than 14x higher than that of the UK
    we cant afford to supply water to these countries at the rate they need it. although it should be noted that we do drill wells in countries that need them most when we can. Both our government and various charities have been doing this for years.
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  • Anonymouse Richard... May 12, 2011 17:49:36
    Anonymouse
    They haven't got building materials or tools for it. The US debt may be higher, but you have twice as many people and twice the GDP. The UK's in no state to do it either at the moment. I thought the great lakes were in Canada?! Fresh water evaporates as well, and quite a bit of that goes into the sea. The river water is mostly contaminated by sea water until you get quite far inland, and they're a nice feature as well. My town has a river running through it, and it makes it a nicer place. And this isn't the only reason beef is bad for the environment. They produce methane, and I'm sure you've heard of the food chain and pyramids of biomass which are based on the data that the more energy that is passed through the food chain, the less it gets. Ruminants are particularly bad. The field they're on can feed at least a hundred times as many people. If we were smart, we'd all go veggie. As we're all lazy and ignorant, we eat more meat than before. This is besides the point, however, but it is a similar principle. Cows consume large amounts of water where it would be more economical to drink the water ourselves.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 12, 2011 19:53:27
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    I know neither the US or the UK are in any shape to do it, which is why it is kind of a null point. but the fact of the matter is that we do not have a water shortage. and in fact our water surplus has been increasing since 1985 even with the increase in beef consumption. Yes fresh water evaporates just as sea water evaporates but since the earth is mostly covered in sea water much more sea water is turned into fresh through evaporation, than fresh being evaporated from usable sources. So it is of no consequence. As for methane, it really has nothing to do with the water issue but I'll offer a simple retort to your statement. cows produce roughly 14% of all methane over a given period. That said, all methane only accounts for 0.06% of all greenhouse gasses. So it's 14% of 0.06%. in other words a negligible amount.

    The great lakes are split between Canada and the US their respective boarders are in the middle of the lakes somewhere. Except for of course lake Michigan which is entirely in the US. Overall they are mostly in the US.

    Besides, we have more water than we need for drinking and the beef provides us with protein we need. we cant survive on water alone.

    A friend I work with was a vegan (now just a vegetarian) the amount of supplements he had to eat to remain healthy are reason enough for me not to even think about it.
    And I didn't climb all the way to the top of the food chain to eat nothing but vegetables.
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 13, 2011 17:30:22
    Anonymouse
    I would never advise becoming a vegan. We get the majority of our protein from animal products. We do consume too much meat though. 3 dinners a week is plenty enough meat. Whatever water it is it's more likely to land in the sea. If there's a water surplus then why does only the western world have enough water? And why are water prices increasing like all the other necessities? And we do waste a hell of a lot of water through other means like washing.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 13, 2011 18:13:16
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    There is a water surplus in the U.S. and several other western countries not worldwide. But the places that lack water in other countries are not going to benefit if we quit using it. Those countries have been arid for centuries. Well before the US was even producing cattle in large numbers. It is a problem with their geographical location not the water consumption of the western world. Cutting cattle farms completely still would not help the one bit. I mean come on, if you live in a desert climate then don't complain that there is no water, I mean really what do you expect?

    the water landing in the ocean is really of no consequence, while it may be true that more falls in the ocean than on land, It makes no difference, as long as enough of it falls on our land we are in good shape. And it does so we are ok.
    The water prices at my house have not increased at all since it was built over 20 yrs ago well water ftw. Bottled water prices are outrageous, but not because of a shortage. They are so high because stupid people are willing to pay it. (I've actually eaten at places in Europe where beer is cheaper than water!!!)
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 14, 2011 09:23:09
    Anonymouse
    Lol. I'm sure a lot of these water surpluses are because of the fact that much water has to be recycled in big cities because it's cheaper than piping water from outside. What do you propose we do to help all those dehydrated people in Africa then? I'm sure many Africans would like to live somewhere where there is a much milder climate, but they can't escape from that deathtrap of a desert because they can't afford it.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 14, 2011 10:48:16
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    I don't think most the water surplus is really from big cities recycling it. It does obviously help that they are being more environmentally responsible, But that along with better agricultural and industrial practices are the reason that water consumption has been dropping for almost 2 decades. But even at it's peak we still had a surplus.

    There is really nothing we can do to turn the desert into a milder climate. If I had a way to control the climate I would be the richest man in the world. While it would be nice if they did not have to deal with the arid climate. If they want to move away from that area and can not afford to that is a sad situation, but unfortunately no one else is in a position to pay for it for them. neither of our countries are in any condition to try and relocate the hundreds of thousands of people that are not able to get enough fresh water to thrive. Nor are we in any position to bring the water to them. They are really on their own on this one. No one else can do it for them. If they are going to live there, they are just going to have to adapt, just as the people that lived there before them have for thousands of years.

    I see it like a homeless person living in Detroit, MI. They Have problems with them freezing to death every winter. But I offer this solution; If you are homeless start walking south, where the climate is warmer. It's not like you are going to be any worse off.
  • Anonymouse Richard... May 15, 2011 00:21:52
    Anonymouse
    Then why do we have all of these plans of saving water, like being told to turn the tap off whilst brushing your teeth, and having a shower rather than a bath? Perhaps there is a surplus in America, but Britain seems to be less prosperous in this area. And if you don't curtail your use, you will run out too.
  • Richard... Anonymouse May 15, 2011 14:28:14
    Richard Hungwell AKA Relentless
    You see thats the thing. overall our water replenishes faster than we use it so were are ok. Even in 1985 it was replenishing faster than we were using it. As for the cities that say turn off the tap while brushing and take a shower, that is because they are normally running on a system where many people rely on a single water supply which usesrecycled and treated water and such. Leaving the water running means that more water will have to be treated to replace it, and just because we have an abundance of water does not mean we should waste it. Being more environmentally responsible is how we have been dropping our consumption. It sounds to me like chuck may need to heed his own advice. From what you say it sounds like the UK is having some serious problems with water. Have they done anything to cut their own beef production?
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