SAY WHAT? Climate Change Deniers in the Media Are Evil?
Christine Lusey
2011/06/24 11:00:00
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Hot off the heels of his disagreement with President Obama about video games, former Vice President Al Gore is now making news for publicly denouncing the prez on his climate change policy.
But while discussing the issue on "Hardball," MSNBC's Chris Matthews went off on the "corrupt media on the Right" who continue to deny the very existence of climate change, labeling them "evil" and "really, really wrong."
"Rush Limbaugh says stuff that is just non- well, is just not true. I never use the word lie, but it's appropriate here. People like, you know, Glenn Beck, I heard him months or years ago on the radio before he was on TV saying there's no climate change, playing, pandering to these business types, pandering to people who don't want to deal with reality ... These people are evil in what they're doing! I'm not saying their souls are evil, but what they're doing is really, really wrong and it's not the President. It's this corrupt media on the right. You know, it's corrupt media on the right."
But while discussing the issue on "Hardball," MSNBC's Chris Matthews went off on the "corrupt media on the Right" who continue to deny the very existence of climate change, labeling them "evil" and "really, really wrong."
"Rush Limbaugh says stuff that is just non- well, is just not true. I never use the word lie, but it's appropriate here. People like, you know, Glenn Beck, I heard him months or years ago on the radio before he was on TV saying there's no climate change, playing, pandering to these business types, pandering to people who don't want to deal with reality ... These people are evil in what they're doing! I'm not saying their souls are evil, but what they're doing is really, really wrong and it's not the President. It's this corrupt media on the right. You know, it's corrupt media on the right."
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Bill G53 ~PWCM~JLA 2011/06/24 11:23:57No+19Chris Matthews is so far to the left he wouldn't know the truth if it bitch-slapped him across his tingly leg. I don't think the science is clear on climate change. I say that not because of Limbaugh or Beck but simply my local weatherman who is not partisan and is not out to grind an ax or push an agenda. His opinion is that there is climate change occuring but it is withing the normal fluctuations of climate change that occur across the eons. That suggests to me that the left-wing loon like Matthews and Gore are simply using the issue to line their pockets.






















As far as the climate: We have NO IDEA what is even normal for our climate, let alone what is changing it or why its changing. Could you imagine if we had todays technology, political climate, and BS during the last Ice Age ....It would be everyone elses fault and only "we" would be the ones trying to fix it. Sigh. This is just something else put out there to distract people.
I've always had the impression Liberals want people to believe it's 100% man's fault and responsibility, never including in the "discussion"* that we live on a dynamic planet that has a long history of these kind of changes before the appearance of man.
* Liberals always approach this topic as EVERYTHING is perfectly obvious and there's no need for discussion or contesting the data they offer, to do so is being a denier.
It is called "seasons" and there are 4 of them. There, now tingle off.
When I was in elementary school, they were screaming about global cooling due to pollution. They warned us that crops would stop growing and we would all die. Now that my kids are in school, they are told we are going to die due to global warming. Then, they realized that the trend is that the earth is again cooling some. The science is flawed and only fools believe it. Al Gore has a huge mansion that is sucking many times more power than his neighbors. He flies around in jets and to offset all this he sells "credits" by planting trees. He is a hypocrite that is making money off his lies.
Answer a couple of questions for me if you are so worried about the earth. What is the perfect temperature for the earth? And, What is the actual way that we can warm and cool the earth? How do you know when you have done enough?
Everyone is talking about green energy. They came up with Ethan...
When I was in elementary school, they were screaming about global cooling due to pollution. They warned us that crops would stop growing and we would all die. Now that my kids are in school, they are told we are going to die due to global warming. Then, they realized that the trend is that the earth is again cooling some. The science is flawed and only fools believe it. Al Gore has a huge mansion that is sucking many times more power than his neighbors. He flies around in jets and to offset all this he sells "credits" by planting trees. He is a hypocrite that is making money off his lies.
Answer a couple of questions for me if you are so worried about the earth. What is the perfect temperature for the earth? And, What is the actual way that we can warm and cool the earth? How do you know when you have done enough?
Everyone is talking about green energy. They came up with Ethanol and thought that would be an earth friendly way to produce energy. There are a few problems. Ethanol is less efficient than gas so we burn more gas in our cars due to it being there. It also uses more petroleum based fuel to make ethanol than the fuel it replaces. Also, it damages the cars causing the engine to wear out earlier. Also, one of the largest sources of Rain Forest deforestation is cutting down trees to grow corn. The last problem is that with the government subsidizing corn production, it has caused the cost for food corn to sky rocket.
How about hybrid cars? They have a huge carbon footprint because of the way they are made. Then, they don't have as good of a gas mileage as I had in my Ford Festiva 20 years ago. I used to get around 50 miles to the gallon.
How about CFL bulbs? They are made in China, are shipped over to America on ships that burn petroleum based fuels. That more than offsets the "carbon" savings in them. Also, they contain mercury! We banned thermometers when I was younger because of the mercury they contained. Now we have bulbs that require us to leave the room for 30 minutes before cleaning them up if they break because they are toxic. We are also supposed to dispose of them properly. How many do you think wind up in the landfill instead?
It is a hoax to give people power and money. Most of the ways they suggest to fix it are usually worse than what we have and are sometimes dangerous.
I doubt you would find anyone that thinks global warming is a hoax that would say it isn't a good thing to look for alternative energy sources. I would personally like to have an electric car but they don't work for most people. Plus, for now, the "electric cars" are still run by coal or oil in most cases. Where do you think the electricity comes from?
Pointing out that there have been mistakes in climatological models in the past (roughly 40 years ago now?) is a valid reason for disbelieving what the models predict today. However, to ignore those models simply because they use to say something different ignores the idea that science and scientists are constantly attempting to improve the accuracy of their theories based on better data, improved communication, and a stronger understanding of extremely complex environmental interactions.
There is no "perfect" temperature and no one will ever claim that there should be a perfect temperature. However, there are fluctuations and deviations from the mean temperature which can have dire consequences. Warming and Cooling the planet can be accomplished in numerous ways. For example, increasing green house gases will warm the planet and increasing upper atmospheric clouds should cool the planet. Again, achieving an "ideal" temperature or change is not the goal. Understand that the planet will be fine regardless of what we do - it's the affect on wildlife (including humans) and fauna which should concern you.
You're correct about Ethanol to a certain extent. Corn based ethanol is va...
Pointing out that there have been mistakes in climatological models in the past (roughly 40 years ago now?) is a valid reason for disbelieving what the models predict today. However, to ignore those models simply because they use to say something different ignores the idea that science and scientists are constantly attempting to improve the accuracy of their theories based on better data, improved communication, and a stronger understanding of extremely complex environmental interactions.
There is no "perfect" temperature and no one will ever claim that there should be a perfect temperature. However, there are fluctuations and deviations from the mean temperature which can have dire consequences. Warming and Cooling the planet can be accomplished in numerous ways. For example, increasing green house gases will warm the planet and increasing upper atmospheric clouds should cool the planet. Again, achieving an "ideal" temperature or change is not the goal. Understand that the planet will be fine regardless of what we do - it's the affect on wildlife (including humans) and fauna which should concern you.
You're correct about Ethanol to a certain extent. Corn based ethanol is vastly inefficient relative to the amount of resources necessary to grow corn. Saw grass based ethanol would have been a much more efficient and effective method for harvesting ethanol. Unfortunately, the "saw grass" lobby didn't have much play with Bush Jr or his constituents.
Hybrid cars are still, for the most part, a vast improvement over the average car found on the US highways today. Pointing out that there was a car with better gas mileage 20 years ago doesn't mean that a significant portion of the US population drives those cars (or that they are still made).
CFL bulbs should last for roughly 30 years. Their carbon footprint is vastly lower than a bulb that has to be replaced every two years. As for "leaving a room for 30 minutes after being broken?" Well I will admit that is news to me so I have no comment.
Electric cars are still vastly more efficient and have a much lower rate of consumption relative to gasoline based vehicles because of the efficiency rate for power companies converting coal or oil into electricity. Furthermore, because they run on electricity - given enough technology and economies of scale, they could be powered eventually by green energy methods such as solar, wind, or geothermal. There's no reason not to invest in the technology now.
Secondly, yes - CFLs last 8-15 times longer than conventional bulbs (Source - http://www.nef.org.uk/energys...
Electric cars may cost more to build and operate - that wasn't the issue.
Again, there are several different types of ethanol fuels. Corn based ethanol is not very efficient because the corn crop is very water intensive. If you used a less water intensive crop, like saw grass, then the efficiency is drastically improved.
Electric cars cost more to build and have a shorter life -span higher maintenance cost – lower over all “work load” capacity / add to that the fact that electricity does not come from clean “magic” and it can not be stored ! And the cost + pollution of replacing a real car with an electric one is actually wasteful in every way....a single gallon of gas holds 29,000 kilowatts of power and can be stored for a very long time with out losing its stored energy ...fact is that a gallon of gas than 660 pounds of lithium Ion batteries and does not lose >5% of its stored energy per day.
As for your own personal anecdotal evidence with CFLs? Not really gonna convince me.
Let me just start off with a basic question - do you trust NASA data recordings?
How do you propose to address Peak Lithium? This stuff is very bad when extracted, processed and then a major problem to dispose of. It is not readily available, and in more shortage than oil. Alternative technology needs to be developed, what we have now is the stuff of hip mass hysteria and just doesn't offer a solution.
Other new technologies such as solar and bio fuels require vast amounts of Rare Earths. These are not readily available, located mostly in China and our war zones. They are also controlled by very restricted cartels. Extracting, processing and transporting these do an extensive amount of environmental damage not to mention the vast amount of energy they require to process. That energy will have to be Nuclear or Coal. When these materials have reached the end of their life span, their disposal will cause toxic dumps like we have never seen before.
Seems like these ideas are very warm and fuzzy but no thought has been given to the end result. If we are not careful, being Green could be what kills us.