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"COULD I BE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE?





Sometimes I think this whole world

Is one big prison yard

Some of us are prisoners

Some of us are guards

Bob Dylan



Having lost my preferred choice for a presidential candidate on Tuesday,
I determined that after a suitable period of mourning and reflection
the only viable option was to shake it off and begin the search anew,
the presumptive, media-anointed frontrunner not being desirable or
acceptable.



Last night, as part of this Quixote-like quest, I ventured into the
heretofore unexplored dimension of a Ron Paul rally and was witness to
something that can only be described as all parts exhilarating,
befuddling, encouraging, depressing, moving, maddening and, ultimately,
inspiring. More on all that later.



Over the years I have been to more political rallies, events, forums,
roundtables, discussion groups, debates and whatever than I care to
remember. While a whole range of adjectives from boring to thrilling
could be used to describe these events, I have never before been moved
to use contradictory metaphors for the same event. Attending a Ron Paul
campaign rally is a singularly unique experience. I have never seen
anything like it before. Perhaps phenomenal is the word that comes
closest in accuracy, not in the ordinary “awesome” sense, but in the
other-worldly, spatiotemporal sense.



A little truth in advertising first: I come from an old school of
conservatism, a hodgepodge of Strauss, Kirk, Buckley, Reagan and a
smattering of other modern day conservative thinkers who shaped my
thinking while coming of age in the midst of a persistent nuclear threat
during the so-called Cold War, replete with duck and cover, fallout
shelters and a young girl sitting in a meadow picking the petals off a
daisy. One is shaped by the world one is raised in and then, if playing
the game right, uses those experiences to shape the world for those who
will inherit it.



The purpose of this piece is not to analyze Mr. Paul’s specific
policies, although my worldview does not coalesce with his on many
fronts. I do not write this piece from the point of view of a longtime
Paul devotee, many of whom (and you know who you are) I have
exasperatingly debated over the fallacies I see in some (not all) of his
positions. Over the years, though, I have learned (much to my surprise
and dismay) that not everyone will agree with my positions on all things
and I often frustratingly find myself having internal disagreements
with my own stated beliefs. Such is the nature of evolving thought.



I have spoken before a lot of groups in the last several years as we
have all grappled with the seeming dissolution of our country. I have
half-jokingly said on many of these occasions that the other side
doesn’t really have to defeat us politically, they just have to wait for
us all to die off so they can implement their plans. My point has been
that the greatest issue facing the conservative cause is a demographical
one, a lack of diversity that will shortly render the conservative
message irrelevant. Where are the youth? I and others have asked. Where
are the people of color? Why doesn’t the conservative message resonate?



The answer to where they are could be found last night at the Will
Rogers Auditorium. Often at political events there is a sense of
excitement, anticipation, a certain buzz in the audience while waiting
for the main event. Excitement, anticipation and buzz are weak and
inadequate words to describe the pre-rally crowd last night. Energy is
even inadequate. What undulated through the thousands who thronged
outside before the doors opened last night was a kinetic power, the
power of hope, the power of liberation, the power of anger at a system
turned upside down, the power of liberation and, yes, the ultimate and
emancipating power of freedom. You had to be there to understand it.



Once inside, for the only time in my politically active life, I was
transported to a world I had not seen before. There was enough energy in
that room to power a skyscraper. Teenagers, college students, whites,
Hispanics, African Americans, Asians, middle-aged, elderly, every
racial, ethnic, socio-economic, cross cultural ingredient of the
American melting pot was there. The auditorium was a cauldron of
American citizens who understand and have grasped the true nature of the
tyranny which has befallen this nation, a conflagration, if you will,
of passion and anger and joy and determination. This is where the fire
starts this time. The eruption when Mr. Paul took the stage was
deafening.



While I didn’t find much to cheer about on the foreign policy portion of
his speech, it is on domestic policy that I find much agreement with
Ron Paul. In fact, he could have lifted whole tracks of his speech from
my book, Common Ground America. Foreign policy, while a crucial element
of any president’s agenda, has slowly shifted from my center of
attention to domestic policy, I having long come to the conclusion that
the greatest threat to American freedom comes not from foreign
governments, but from our own. Sadly, America has become one of the
least free nations on earth. Increasingly, everything in our lives is
being regulated by a faceless bureaucracy, to a degree that neither
Orwell nor Huxley could have imagined. Want to add a room onto your
house? Get permission. Want to get married? Get permission. Want to open
a business? Get permission. Want to fly a flag in your front yard? Get
permission. Want to own a gun? Get permission. Want to open a lemonade
stand? Get permission. Want to play Frisbee on the beach? Get fined.
Want to preach politics from the pulpit? Get fined. Want to protest your
government without permission? Get arrested.



We have become a nation of regulations and licenses and permits, fines
and punishment and intimidation by a remorseless, uncaring government.
We have become, as Dylan sang in 1971, “One big prison yard”, in which
our guards are always watching, always monitoring, always snooping,
always threatening, always ready to swoop in with a fine or a cuff or a
taser or a bullet should we wander outside the boundaries of what is
allowed. The IRS can now revoke your passport should you owe too much on
your taxes, making you not just a literal prisoner but a figurative one
as well. It has been so long since we were truly free that we don’t
even recognize it anymore. Freedom is slowly being snuffed out in
American.



Obamacare is only the latest affront to freedom. While lawyers and
pundits debate the constitutionality of this provision or that, what
goes unstated is the insidious evil of the bill itself. Your very body,
your existence, you own life will now belong to the state should
Obamacare stand. If your physical body belongs to the state, how then is
American freedom defined?



What exactly is our national security securing? Certainly not our
liberty. We have been sacrificing ever larger chucks of our liberty to
the gods of security for decades now and in the interests of securing
our liberty have given it all away. Go to an airport if you want to
witness the loss of liberty in all its glorious humiliation. One wonders
if we actually were taken over by another power and our Constitution
dismantled what exactly could they do to restrict our movements, monitor
our activities and control our actions that would be any worse or
oppressive than what our own government is doing right now?



This part of Mr. Paul’s message, if I have interpreted it correctly, is
what resonates with me. All the other things pale in contrast to our
becoming a nation of slaves.



Can Mr. Paul become the next president of the United States? At the risk
of inflaming his supporters, I must say I doubt it. The media’s message
is that he no longer exists, the question is settled and Mr. Romney is
the Republican nominee. It is true Mr. Paul’s most ardent supporters are
strenuously working at the precinct level to tilt the delegate count at
the Republican convention in his favor. Do they have the numbers to
pull that off? I don’t know. But knowing the ones involved locally I
would guess their chances are better than 50/50. Will that type of
organized effort be successful in enough states nationwide to put Mr.
Paul over the top? Your guess is as good as mine. I’m not even going
there.



So what did I come away with last night? It can be captured in one
picture. Before Mr. Paul was introduced, part of his family took the
stage: his wife, one of his sons, a smattering of cousins, nieces and
nephews. That picture tells us all we need to know. They are us. They
weren’t pulled from central casting, exquisitely coifed and finely
tailored, prepped and ready for the cameras. No. They are a family. They
are us.



Where personally do I go now? As I said, I have more internal debates
than an outwardly sane person should admit. For over three years now I
have been looking for an army - an army to take on the anti-Americans,
the Communists, the statists, the outright criminals running our
government. An army of citizens fiercely devoted to liberty and the
founding principles of America. One rose up three years ago but slowly
faded away. As I looked around the room last night, I saw a lot of faces
I recognized from the past, from the ghost army that either became
dispirited or no longer believed in the message. So this is where you
all went….



The flame of liberty’s torch is no longer just slowly being
extinguished. Each day brings new Executive Orders, new laws, new
regulations, each more ominous than the last. Corruption in our
government and our financial markets is rampant. The disease of
dependency is infecting every layer of society. America is dying. We
need an army of citizens, motivated and committed, to restore liberty in
America, to breathe new life, new vibrancy into a nation on life
support. We will not return our nation’s vitality with lawyers. We will
not be prescribed the cures for our ailments by opportunistic
politicians pedaling the latest edition of What Will It Take to Buy Your
Vote. We simply will not. America is on the brink of flatlining.



Which logically only leads to one question:



Is there a doctor in the house?



Which logically only leads to one answer:



Ron Paul 2012"



--------------------------



-Adrian Murray, Fort Worth, TX.
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  • Stoney 2012/04/15 03:31:33 (edited)
    Wow!!! What a inspirational story.
    Stoney
    +13
    This is a really good testimonial, given by an honest & intelligent man. Ron Paul is my choice, because he is ..............

    THE DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE!

    Ron Paul
  • Lisa Ray 2012/04/15 03:14:54
    Wow!!! What a inspirational story.
    Lisa Ray
    +12
    I can't thank you enough for your thoughtful, heartfelt observations. I'm able to relate to your questioning of long held views. I organized the 3rd Tea Party to be posted online, following Rick Santelli's rant....I've known ever since, that the ONE thing we ALL had in common was the loss of our freedoms afforded us in our Constitution. Without it, we ALL become victims of tyranny.

    I've also come to embrace Dr. Paul's views on foreign policy upon further examination of our results thus far. We have been funding, building, training, arming and equipping Muslim nations in Israel's backyard while pushing them to negotiate peace with the terrorists we've been supporting for decades. Once emancipated (by America), the populations ELECT Islamic Fundamentalism. As we've sacrificed to achieve this FOR them, I must ask "why" have our own borders been left wide open since that tragic day in September, 2001? It was this final realization that allowed Dr. Paul's Constitutional principles of non-interventionism bloom within my heart and mind. I learned the majority of our Founders shared the exact same view and then I discovered why....

    You have the gratitude and appreciation of myself and millions of your fellow citizens, for openly sharing the path returning to freedom with us. We ALL feel every emotion you have described!
  • nverumind 2012/04/15 03:13:54
    Wow!!! What a inspirational story.
    nverumind
    +13
    This brings tears to my eyes .. To see someone who so vividly experience the wildfire i experienced when i found Ron Paul.. i am young and to be honest 12 yrs ago i never even knew the difference between a republican and a democrat was. But after 9/11 and the inconsistancies/consistancies that went on with the stories/conspiracy theories of what happened, i began doing as much research as I possibly could on all things Government. The parties, Congress, Supreme Court, legislators, administrators, and arbitrators and the way they all worked and what their purpose was. Then i got up close and personal with the constitution and fell in love. I love what our Country is supposed to be and sadly a Country that I in my young years Have not known, But only read and have heard about. I got to know the presidents of our pasts studying their deeds, beliefs, values, shortcomings, family backgrounds and where they came from, and every "conspiracy theory" you could imagine available.
    and was getting pretty bummed while going through the candidates, I was not interested in any of our candidates in the running, after days of listening to each one's speeches, ads, articles, websites, and "background" (not literal) checks, and being very disappointed! ..
    I finally got to the least "likely" Ron...
    This brings tears to my eyes .. To see someone who so vividly experience the wildfire i experienced when i found Ron Paul.. i am young and to be honest 12 yrs ago i never even knew the difference between a republican and a democrat was. But after 9/11 and the inconsistancies/consistancies that went on with the stories/conspiracy theories of what happened, i began doing as much research as I possibly could on all things Government. The parties, Congress, Supreme Court, legislators, administrators, and arbitrators and the way they all worked and what their purpose was. Then i got up close and personal with the constitution and fell in love. I love what our Country is supposed to be and sadly a Country that I in my young years Have not known, But only read and have heard about. I got to know the presidents of our pasts studying their deeds, beliefs, values, shortcomings, family backgrounds and where they came from, and every "conspiracy theory" you could imagine available.
    and was getting pretty bummed while going through the candidates, I was not interested in any of our candidates in the running, after days of listening to each one's speeches, ads, articles, websites, and "background" (not literal) checks, and being very disappointed! ..
    I finally got to the least "likely" Ron Paul. I have never found a candidate that i agreed with the majority of the issues brought up, and just took me by storm! his Honesty and willingness to just be Ron Paul, not some super celeb to win our votes with "vote for me and ill do this for you" attitude and lies. HE is Pure American and He wants this country restored to her Glorious state of freedom and liberty, taking on tyranny and corrupt allies and "partners" I pray for this man daily and need to know is there anything that I can do to make my vote count or even anything i can do as One person to Help. I just have so much excitement, Love , HOPE, bravery, Liberty and Pride for what We could accomplish, enjoy, and look forward to- with him as our President-. And yet so much anger, sadness, and being disheartened by the fact that the "statistics" and polls just arnt cutting it for Ron Paul and i just dont get it.. how can people not KNOW and Be Above and Beyond excited about a man like this running for Potus? But i tell you what ..He has my Vote and my Heart
    ( a hero against crooks in my book)
    (more)
  • Bill Zi... nverumind 2012/04/15 07:04:50
    Bill Zimmerly
    +8
    The answer is obvious, especially if you experienced what I experienced in the Jefferson County, Missouri Caucus on March 17th. With a roughly 3 to 1 Ron Paul majority, we were able to secure the chairmanship, but all of a sudden, the GOP central committee "lost" the roll call list of all the people who were certified at the beginning -AND THEN- asked for a roll call vote on the rules! One of them said that the rolls "left the building" and tried to terminate the caucus TWICE because they were clearly outnumbered!

    Here's the amazing thing to consider ... they cheated and lied all across the state on that day to try and stop Ron Paul from winning Missouri, ESPECIALLY when Santorum supposedly "won" the February 7th "non-binding" Primary with 75% of the vote! Think about it for a while ... the PEOPLE WHO COUNTED the Primary votes WERE THE SAME GOP Central Committee people WHO did those things in the Caucus that I listed above!

    I hate Primaries because you can't see the votes being counted - but in a Caucus, you CAN! :)

    "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."
    - A Truism often attributed to communist Dictator Joseph Stalin
  • jimrthy... Bill Zi... 2012/04/15 16:50:12
    jimrthy BN-0
    +5
    Thank you for your efforts and for helping to expose the corruption that runs throughout this entire system.

    After our district convention yesterday, one of my friends summed it up this way: "You win elections by showing up."
  • Bill Zi... jimrthy... 2012/04/16 14:15:14
    Bill Zimmerly
    +3
    Your friend, like you, is very wise. ;)
  • HAlex1972 nverumind 2012/04/15 11:09:54
    HAlex1972
    Ditto.
  • jimrthy... nverumind 2012/04/15 16:51:45
    jimrthy BN-0
    I'm going to PM you about this.
  • jimrthy... nverumind 2012/04/15 17:05:53
    jimrthy BN-0
    +3
    This is *awesome* that you've decided to look past the smoke and mirrors and actually *learn* something! Far too many people ignore history. I'm guilty of neglecting most of the actual biographies (there are only so many hours in a day).

    Don't pay too much attention to the statistics and polls. They're bought and paid for by the MSM. They're bound and determined to maintain the statist quo. Just keep spreading the message, and, eventually, we *will* win. Most people want to be free. Even if they don't have a clue what that actually means. All the ties between Romney's parent companies and the various media outlets are becoming less and less meaningful every day, as more and more of us discover the power of the internet.

    That, BTW, is why TPTB are so determined to censor the web. They *love* freedom of the press...as long as they own all the news/information outlets.
  • marlon.luna 2012/04/15 03:00:52
    Wow!!! What a inspirational story.
    marlon.luna
    +14
    Brother man, i commend you for writing such a concise yet poignant piece, much respect definitely. As a "conservative-former-2x-Bush-... i think theres tons we agree on, and thanks for voicing your opinion...i have reached the same conclusion, American needs a Good Doctor.
  • Soundstorm 2012/04/15 02:59:18
    Undecided
    Soundstorm
    +1
    I won't be casting my vote in this presidential election for a candidate who will only end up falling below my expectations of him. America's greatness never came from any glorified charismatic political leader. Obama ought to be the proof of that for all time. Our country only rises above every other by virtue of what its citizens can accomplish on their own by their individual genius and initiative as a result of thriving in a free Republic.
    If Mitt Romney lacks all the sound and fury and excitement that Ron Paul's followers see in their candidate I have more than enough confidence in my fellow Americans to more than make up for it. The key objective in this election that every voter who cares about our future should be focused on is the removal of the oppressive and cancerous administration of Barack Obama and the Democratic party from power.
  • HAlex1972 Soundstorm 2012/04/15 11:11:14
    HAlex1972
    +5
    He's just going to be just as bad as Obama.
  • Soundstorm HAlex1972 2012/04/16 00:14:17
    Soundstorm
    +1
    I don't see a successful businessman and Governor being possibly as bad as Obama. You haven't put any thought in your statement.
  • HAlex1972 Soundstorm 2012/04/16 01:01:12
    HAlex1972
    +1
    Just because my statement was brief, does not mean that I didn't put any thought into it.
  • Soundstorm HAlex1972 2012/04/16 01:06:14 (edited)
    Soundstorm
    I didn't say it wasn't thought out because it was brief. I just said you didn't put any thought into it.
  • HAlex1972 Soundstorm 2012/04/16 02:44:55
    HAlex1972
    Oh, whatever.
  • rdmatheny HAlex1972 2012/04/16 03:13:42
    rdmatheny
    +1
    I'll warn you, don't get caught up in his game. Every question he's about to ask you the answers were shown to him a few days ago. He'll try to play word semantics with you.
  • HAlex1972 rdmatheny 2012/04/16 03:42:51 (edited)
    HAlex1972
    +1
    Yeah, I noticed. I don't think 'Mittens' is going to be any better than Obama because he, like Obama, represents the status quo; but he assumes to know what is going on in my mind and what research I've done.
  • Soundstorm rdmatheny 2012/04/16 09:58:00
    Soundstorm
    What game do you think I'm playing? Nothing I've said is related to semantics.
  • Soundstorm HAlex1972 2012/04/16 09:59:34
    Soundstorm
    If you're going to be that vacuous, why even bother to post?
  • HAlex1972 Soundstorm 2012/04/16 18:23:18
    HAlex1972
    +2
    Go vote for whoever you like. And stop pestering me. Shoo.
  • Soundstorm HAlex1972 2012/04/18 23:50:50
    Soundstorm
    You're pestering me now. Begone.
  • @TheMis... HAlex1972 2012/04/26 21:31:25 (edited)
    @TheMissesHelp <-Follow/Tweet me
    +1
    That conversation made me giggle. I agree with Soundstorm though: It's hard to go between 45% of people on a social welfare system/not paying income tax, u6 numbers at 15% unemployment, 8-10% unemployment, $5trillion additional debt, GSA/Fast&Furious;/EPA Scandal/Secret Service, Obamacare,

    You name it, no other president has gone so far or spent so much in under 3 years. It would be damn near impossible to repeat the last 3 years without something like the dust bowl or stock crash!
  • HAlex1972 @TheMis... 2012/04/26 23:18:22
  • @TheMis... HAlex1972 2012/04/27 01:13:53
    @TheMissesHelp <-Follow/Tweet me
    +1
    And I'll have to agree with you there! I don't trust any politician, especially when they make decisions just to prove they either don't respect the constitution or personal freedom.

    I hope you don't mind, but I've friended you =)
  • HAlex1972 @TheMis... 2012/04/28 18:35:07
    HAlex1972
    And I accepted! ;)
  • jimrthy... Soundstorm 2012/04/15 16:44:00
    jimrthy BN-0
    +4
    That's funny.

    Dr. Paul's a cranky old man. Romney's the schmoozing charmer.

    We're excited about his ideas. We *love* the idea of a candidate who actually promotes the chance to let us live in a free republic again.

    If you're serious about removing Obama, you'll help promote Paul. Despite the MSM's insistence, the fat lady hasn't sung yet. They've been trying to force Romney down our throats since Iowa. Republicans don't want him, and Americans don't want him.

    I can't find any differences between Romney's policies and Obama's. It's policies that matter. If republicans are idiotic enough to nominate Romney, I *will* be voting for Obama in November. Despite my oath in 2004 to never again vote for the lesser of two evils.
  • Soundstorm jimrthy... 2012/04/16 00:16:10
    Soundstorm
    What policies of Romney's are the same as Obama's?
  • Bill Zi... Soundstorm 2012/04/16 03:24:34
    Bill Zimmerly
    +4
    Romney? You mean the guy who supported TARP (just like Obama), the NDAA (just like Obama), the Patriot Act (just like Obama), the Brady bill (just like Obama), Massachusetts gun control laws (just like Obama), Government-Run Healthcare (just like Obama), and abortion on demand (just like Obama)?
  • Soundstorm Bill Zi... 2012/04/18 23:39:06
    Soundstorm
    +1
    Did Obama really support all those things? I thought he just voted 'present' most of the time.
    Romney supported government run health care at the STATE LEVEL. Big difference.
    And practically everybody supported TARP which was passed by George W. Bush. Why doesn't he ever get credit for saving our country from a possible depression? Yeah, it's not cool to give Bush credit for anything good, is it?

    We all know the Patriot Act turned out to be a disaster in the many ham handed ways the government administered it. But supporting it isn't the same as running it. Otherwise, what would you suppose would have been a more appropriate response to 9/11 and Saddam Hussein's flouting of international law?
  • Grammar... Soundstorm 2012/04/20 14:13:40
    Grammar Freak
    +2
    Uhhh... no one gives Bush credit for pulling us away from the brink because he did his very best to put us there. Remember, he & his Republican majority had a projected surplus that they doled out to military contractors who blew it to the winds. No one has ever pursued what the hell happened to all the unaccounted for money simply lost by contractors & governmental agencies.

    Poof! Tax payer money gone in the blink of an eye & you want anyone at all to give cudos to him?
    Wow. That takes chutzpah!
  • Soundstorm Grammar... 2012/04/20 21:40:33 (edited)
    Soundstorm
    Bush did his best to put us on the brink? Lie. The financial industry meltdown has the Democrat's grubby fingerprints all over it. Right, Barney Frank? Pelosi? Charlie Rangel? They were mandating corrupted standards for the loan industry for decades.
    And while money continues to be unaccounted for by government agencies (Hel-lo, GSA, Energy Dept....) and contractors, what has Obama done but grow the government into an even more massive and unmanagable behemouth since he took office? Speak of your own chutzpah!
  • Grammar... Soundstorm 2012/04/21 01:35:12
    Grammar Freak
    +2
    Just callin' a spade a spade.. layin' credit where it's due.

    Yup. Obama needs to go. I agree.
    But I haven't forgotten how we got in this mess. You bet! Alan Greenspan was a huge reason we got into our housing mess. But the Wall Street mess was great big, super-wealthy financial institutions who lobbied & lobbied to get their specified laws passed through Congress... pretty much all Republican, but some big institutions giving money to both "sides," just to keep the bases all covered. Then, to top it off, the Bush Administration put the icing on the cake... drove the nail deep into the coffin, so to speak.

    The Republican Party is just as guilty as the Democratic Party for its role in getting our nation to the place it is today. Both parties are equally detrimental to our nation.

    Business as usual will only continue digging us deeper into our abyss. Neither media-approved candidate is worthy of the job at hand. There is only one who is worthy & has continually proven to be so for over 34 years.

    To think within the confines of the idea that "there are only two options in our nation" is folly. The two parties & the two options the media is putting forth are both far short from being at all good for our nation. We need a sudden, drastic, complete change in direction.

    Ron Paul 2012.
  • Soundstorm Grammar... 2012/04/21 01:51:06
    Soundstorm
    But what were these specified laws lobbied for by what particular big, super-wealty financial institutions and what relationship did they have to the actual cause of the undermining of our economy, the Democrat backed Community Reinvestment Act (CRA)?
    http://spectator.org/archives...
  • Grammar... Soundstorm 2012/04/21 12:55:49
    Grammar Freak
    +2
    One example:

    "Bain spent $80,000 during the fourth quarter to hire lobbyists from Public Strategies Washington Inc. to “monitor tax reform developments,” lobbying records show. Joseph O’Neill and Paul Snyder are lobbying for Romney’s former company. "

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news...

    Another example:
    http://motherjones.com/politi...

    Including campaign contributions, which is indeed a factor in his wealth (at least him not having to touch his private money to run his campaign) & tax rates/loopholes, lobbyists for Bain were & still are quite active, as with Goldman Sax (major contributor), etc. Normally, I'm not a huge HuffPosts fan, but this was a well written & informative article (if only the HuffPost would always adhere to such standards):

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

    You can, I'm sure do your own search to come up with more examples, should you want them.
    I do not agree with Romney's politics or his business methods. I don't respect him in the least.
    This is not to say that I like Obama. That is not the case at all. I believe they are both equally detrimental to our nation's future.

    Ron Paul 2012.
    One example:

    "Bain spent $80,000 during the fourth quarter to hire lobbyists from Public Strategies Washington Inc. to “monitor tax reform developments,” lobbying records show. Joseph O’Neill and Paul Snyder are lobbying for Romney’s former company. "

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news...

    Another example:
    http://motherjones.com/politi...

    Including campaign contributions, which is indeed a factor in his wealth (at least him not having to touch his private money to run his campaign) & tax rates/loopholes, lobbyists for Bain were & still are quite active, as with Goldman Sax (major contributor), etc. Normally, I'm not a huge HuffPosts fan, but this was a well written & informative article (if only the HuffPost would always adhere to such standards):

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

    You can, I'm sure do your own search to come up with more examples, should you want them.
    I do not agree with Romney's politics or his business methods. I don't respect him in the least.
    This is not to say that I like Obama. That is not the case at all. I believe they are both equally detrimental to our nation's future.

    Ron Paul 2012.
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  • Soundstorm Grammar... 2012/04/22 19:19:39
    Soundstorm
    But does any of this have to do with the financial collapse in 2008?
  • Grammar... Soundstorm 2012/04/22 21:26:15
    Grammar Freak
    +2
    Don't you get how the build-up of false monetary value & the distribution of humungous bonuses contributed to the collapse? Bain was a part of it. Their lobbyists assisted in the development of the laws that allowed for dramatic profit increases in the finance sector, which contributed to lowering the value of the dollar. When it's just a bunch of numbers moving from place to place & there's no real anything exchanging hands... it's false... right up until it comes out someone's pockets... because the money has to come from somewhere, right? So who pays in the end? We then have a collapse & bailouts & & & &.
  • Soundstorm Grammar... 2012/04/23 01:25:38
    Soundstorm
    Do I not get how the build-up of false monetary value & the distribution of humongous bonuses contributed to the collapse? Honestly I don't. I don't see how a handful of corporations giving out humongous bonuses and lobbying for laws that help develop dramatic profit increases in the financial sector can possibly contribute to lowering the value of the dollar.
    The U.S. government borrowing from the Fed at generous interest rates and the Treasury Department printing more money than the existing value to back it are what decisively lowers the value of our dollar. The actions of a few corporations like Bain Capital are just spit in the ocean. In fact private financial corporations making big profits do quite the opposite of harming the economy. When corporations do well most other businesses and individuals also do well. Bain Capital doesn't take money out of my pocket. That's the Federal government's job.
  • Grammar... Soundstorm 2012/04/23 12:47:21
    Grammar Freak
    +1
    If that were true, we would have had no need to bail out anyone on Wallstreet or screamed about regulating Wallstreet's behaviors. There would have been no Wallstreet protests.

    I suggest you read up on the 2008 collapse, including how the financial corporations contributed to the situation.
    I understand it, but am not versed enough to be able to explain it adequately. However, there are loads of resources available that do explain it well. A good search on your favorite search engine will provide many links to such explainations.

    Good luck.
  • rdmatheny Grammar... 2012/04/23 13:12:43
    rdmatheny
    +2
    You're asking a boob tube zombie to do research? Good luck with that.

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