Good work SH Politicis, could you lie and screw up much more than you did here.
What was the question to be answered?
Do we believe slaves were better off? That is what the heading implied.
Or can we believe they signed it, which is at the end of the post.
Do I think blacks were better off? NO.
Do I believe they signed the pledge? Yes, especially after reading that nowhere did the pledge contain the outrageous claim YOU made.
You are also lying when you say the claim was made that"blacks were better off".
From YOUR story,
"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President,"
WHERE DOES IT COME CLOSE TO SAYING THEY WERE BETTER OFF?
So,
The vow never said it.
They did not sign a vow saying that.
The tone on this site is deplorable and YOU think these lies don't factor in setting that tone?
SHAME ON YOU SODAHEAD, AND YOU, SODAHEAD POLITICS.
Santorum, Bachmann Sign Pledge Claiming Blacks Were Better Off as Slaves: Believe It?
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So far, most of the leading Republican presidential candidates have distinguished themselves with a series of historical and rhetorical gaffes. Fumbles are common at this early stage of a race with an incumbent, since the sitting president mostly gets to hang on the sidelines and let the opposition pick each other apart and trip over their own shoelaces.
But GOP candidates Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann are making it a bit too easy. Both had to make an embarrassing about face over the weekend when it was revealed that they signed an anti-gay marriage pledge called "The Marriage Vow – A Declaration of Dependence Upon Marriage and Family," circulated by the Christian conservative group First Leader that claimed black families were stronger during slavery.
"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President," read the pledge.
Criticism inspired Family Leader officials to apologize for the phrase and take it out of the pledge's preamble, but not before both candidates had signed it.
But wait, there's more. The pledge also equates being gay to polygamy and adultery, calls for a ban on all pornography and, of course, rejects Sharia law, which some Conservatives are convinced is secretly taking over our American legal system.
Bachmann was first in line among Republican presidential candidates to sign the pledge, but she tried to step away from it after the controversy by saying she only endorsed the "candidate vow," not the preamble.
Her spokesperson said on Saturday that Bachmann still stands behind the vow – which makes no reference to slavery – but that, in no uncertain terms, the Minnesota Congresswoman "believes that slavery was horrible and economic enslavement is also horrible."
Santorum told CNN over the weekend that he read the document very carefully before signing it and was initially "taken aback" by some of the language, but that he firmly supported the anti-gay marriage vow and agreed with the bit that asked candidates to stay faithful to their spouses.
Can you believe Bachmann and Santorum signed this pledge?
But GOP candidates Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann are making it a bit too easy. Both had to make an embarrassing about face over the weekend when it was revealed that they signed an anti-gay marriage pledge called "The Marriage Vow – A Declaration of Dependence Upon Marriage and Family," circulated by the Christian conservative group First Leader that claimed black families were stronger during slavery.
"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President," read the pledge.
Criticism inspired Family Leader officials to apologize for the phrase and take it out of the pledge's preamble, but not before both candidates had signed it.
But wait, there's more. The pledge also equates being gay to polygamy and adultery, calls for a ban on all pornography and, of course, rejects Sharia law, which some Conservatives are convinced is secretly taking over our American legal system.
Bachmann was first in line among Republican presidential candidates to sign the pledge, but she tried to step away from it after the controversy by saying she only endorsed the "candidate vow," not the preamble.
Her spokesperson said on Saturday that Bachmann still stands behind the vow – which makes no reference to slavery – but that, in no uncertain terms, the Minnesota Congresswoman "believes that slavery was horrible and economic enslavement is also horrible."
Santorum told CNN over the weekend that he read the document very carefully before signing it and was initially "taken aback" by some of the language, but that he firmly supported the anti-gay marriage vow and agreed with the bit that asked candidates to stay faithful to their spouses.
Can you believe Bachmann and Santorum signed this pledge?
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2-''But wait, there's more. The pledge also equates being gay to polygamy and adultery, calls for a ban on all pornography and, of course, rejects Sharia law, which some Conservatives are convinced is secretly taking over our American legal system.''
WHO ARE THEY TO BOSS AROUND!!!? LAND OFFREEDOM! NOT LAND OF ABUSE FROM ONE GROUP! NO SHARIA LAW ISTAKING OVER,AND THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS WITH WHAT OTHER DO IN THEIR LIFE!
This is pure BS. The standard practice in the antebellum south was to separate children from their parents (they'd be sent to other plantations) to prevent familial bonds from being formed. It is the same reason why black marriages weren't recognized. This pattern of separation pervades to today where a biased justice system continues to incarcerate black males at a higher rate than white males.
Read "A Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglas" to learn about how slavery actually played out.
Title is MISleaDinG . . .
truth deceiver . . .
This is the basis for the idea. I believe there is some truth in it. I have lived in Baltimore MD for 34 years and seen African Americans, men, women and children suffer worse than well treated slaves. I'm not advocating a return to slavery, but I do advocate a return to faithful marriage. Divorce and out of wedlock parenting are both disasters for any person or family, regardless of skin color.
Always, "Insert candidate(s) here" said/did "insert action her", then snarky comments. (If Palin is the politician, then commets are usually much worse). But that is OK, their web site.
I'll just call this to everybody's attention and remind them that conservatives / tea party will provide another "shellacing" and Obama will be a former president and Reed will be minority leader.
What I find appalling is that even today people are holding blacks down. But this time it's completely... By lowering the standards of education from which they (and everyone else) can receive, by encourages abortions (thanks Margaret Sanger for PP), and by creating an entitlement system that rewards failure. There's even a "democratic" politician trying to convince straight blacks to be gay. And it's worth noting that abortion hits the black community more than any other demographic. Apparently the cause of more deaths in the black community than heart disease and gang violence combined, and then some. Oh, but if you stand on your own, you're ridiculed. Then we have a president saying he doesn't want his daughters punished with a baby and that he finds testing in schools boring? Nice. Sell your soul for votes.
Slavery never ended, they're just so much more thorough these days. There's much better responses explaining what you apparently don't get. I just had to point out how much the Democrat Party is screwing people.
Few people realize that, once the planters regarded black servants as /property/, rather than as /seven-year indentured servants/, they started to treat them better than before. Indentured servants are temporary workhorses. Slaves are an investment. Take care of them; they'll work harder for you. That's how the masters thought. (Not all of them, sadly. Edward Brodas, a Maryland planter, started selling off his slaves. One of them, the future Harriet Tubman, provoked her buyer to bring her back to Edward Brodas for a refund!)
Harriet Tubman aside, most masters did not break up slave families. A master might even buy a slave from a neighboring plantation if he knew that one of his own slaves had fallen in love with that other slave. In short, they took seriously the /rest/ of that passage in Ephesians chapter 5: that any master must remember that he will have to answer to the Top Master of them all, Jesus Christ.
Now that pledge says nothing about consigning anyone back into slavery. It do...
Few people realize that, once the planters regarded black servants as /property/, rather than as /seven-year indentured servants/, they started to treat them better than before. Indentured servants are temporary workhorses. Slaves are an investment. Take care of them; they'll work harder for you. That's how the masters thought. (Not all of them, sadly. Edward Brodas, a Maryland planter, started selling off his slaves. One of them, the future Harriet Tubman, provoked her buyer to bring her back to Edward Brodas for a refund!)
Harriet Tubman aside, most masters did not break up slave families. A master might even buy a slave from a neighboring plantation if he knew that one of his own slaves had fallen in love with that other slave. In short, they took seriously the /rest/ of that passage in Ephesians chapter 5: that any master must remember that he will have to answer to the Top Master of them all, Jesus Christ.
Now that pledge says nothing about consigning anyone back into slavery. It does say that our society should not have such fouled-up incentives that place free citizens at that kind of moral hazard. And again: it's not limited to blacks. Whites, and members of other races, make the same disastrous mistakes.
Bring your BS, we'll eat your lunch and kick your sorry butt to the curb!
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I always find this funny.
Are these people aware of the First Amendment??
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
speech example: Three score and seven years ago.........
If you ban porn, what's next? All books and videos about sex that aren't pornographic? Then we go on to all what is deemed immoral to ONE group of people.
I don't support this because I support my rights, even if I don't agree with how they're being used.
You switch between discussing porn and discussing sex. Sex is not porn, photos of people having sex could be concidered porn depending on the person viewing it and the way it is presented. Two people having sex is not porn. The video of it "might" be. Porn should not be illegal for consenting adults to view or perform in.
In fact, this seems to be an African tradition because one of the leading reasons AIDS is still spreading like crazy across Africa is that many black men culturally will have sex with multiple women before settling down with one woman or a harem having multiple wives.
That's not racist to point out and, in fact, one of the leading reasons it's only gotten worse after AIDS emer...
In fact, this seems to be an African tradition because one of the leading reasons AIDS is still spreading like crazy across Africa is that many black men culturally will have sex with multiple women before settling down with one woman or a harem having multiple wives.
That's not racist to point out and, in fact, one of the leading reasons it's only gotten worse after AIDS emerged is that the main groups fighting to help the African people in Africa are leftwing and their ideals of political correctness will not allow them to address the central fact that culturally, many African peoples are not monogamous.
In South Africa, it's almost a joke that rape has become almost the national pastime as rape happens there moreso than any other country in the world after the fall of Apartheid. In fact, South Africa is regarded as the crime capital in the world following the fall of Apartheid because the political left of the world made all these promises of helping South Africa after Apartheid and then walked away slapping one another on the backs breaking every promise they made when Apartheid was removed.
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"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President," read the pledge.
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Condemn it all you want, it is in fact truthful and factual... the fact YOU don't want to hear it doesn't make it any less true and the fact it is true is a scathing condemnation of black society that it seems the only time in US history where black families remained together and fought side by side for mutual survival was when they were enslaved and had no choice.
Is it wrong to use a truth about many black Americans to slam all black Americans... no it's not. In fact, every black American family should sign to join this group or create one of their own addressing the same issue because the break up of the black American family is the lead problem they face in the modern world as a strong family does well against adversity whereas most who stand apart or on their own drown in adversity and succumb to hopelessness.
While Bachmann and Santorum clearly were stupid for signing the document not understanding how their enemies would use it against them, the simple fact is there is truth to the documents statements.
Most Liberals support issues like gay marriage grudgingly because of "political correctness" as stating they support gay marriage to "shut them up" isn't exactly support for gays... it's support for the political correctness expected of them.
Comparing being gay to polygamy and adultery... they're obviously talking about marriage but the author of this topic didn't make that point evident. The reference is that polygamy and adultery are regarded as wrong even by most Liberals.
Banning pornography isn't exactly a rightwing issue only as many feminists and other leftwing groups also want it banned... while many rightwingers buy it so any effort to paint this as rightwing needs a re evaluation based on facts.
Rejecting sharia law? Unfortunately, as looney as this sounds, there are Muslims and leftwing supporters who have proposed making it legal in the US. The real question here is why are any leftwingers supporting making sharia law legal at all when it's completely anti Liberal and it's founded in religious faith which Liberals have fought against Christian influences on US law and in our schools for decades... absolutely insane and yet, it takes little effort on the internet to find there are indeed many Liberals who support this even if the majority do not. Thus, the rightwing agenda to stop this is unfortunately backed by facts because some on the left are so desperate to support Muslims as their latest cause celeb and victims group that they have thrown all common sense and intellect out the window.
But the document is clearly religious in nature and that's where Bachmann and Santorum screwed up as it gives the left something to use against them.
But will it hurt them?
No it won't. It won't hurt them because in the upcoming Republican Primary, Liberals are not going to determine who becomes the Republican candidate and religion is a key element of the political right.
So squawk all you like leftwingers... this isn't an issue which affects you and you will have no say in the outcome. All it can do is backfire and hurt you because as long as Obama keeps screwing up losing support, there's nothing you can do attacking Republicans that will help you or your candidates.
You need to focus on Obama and start criticizing him to pull him back to where you want him and stop falling for his lip service as he's telling you what you want to hear... then does the opposite.
In the end, this will help Bachmann and Santorum with millions of rightwing voters and leftwing attacks will only serve to get them free publicity for having done it and galvanize support behind these two no different than it benefited Glenn Beck and FOX News that you attacked them unfairly and without using your intellect.
The person who wrote this story used a very misleading header stating Bachmann and Santorum supported that blacks were better off under slavery... in fact, the document in question addresses an issue about slavery which even many Civil Rights groups have supported for over a century that black families held together under slavery but when given their freedom, the black family largely self destructed.
I will say it should reject Shari'a Law. Shari'a is incompatible with the US Constitution.