Ryan budget plan: ideas matter
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2012/08/13 18:12:27
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That's right: ideas do matter. The Ryan budget plan brings ideas about the core functions of the government. Ryan lists six of them:
1. Provide for the common defense.
2. Protect contracts from fraud and not do special favors for people.
3. Provide a safety net and not overload it.
4. Provide security for health and retirement, and not overload those, either.
5. Raise enough revenue to pay for 1-4 above.
6. Account for the money spent on 1-4 above.
In rather sharp contrast, Barack Obama's idea is to weaken the military, hamper free enterprise, overload all safety nets, use the tax code to punish his perceived enemies, and be accountable to no one! In fact, this is his plan, though he dares not show it. That's right: Cloward-Piven.
So what say you? Good ideas? Or bad ideas?
1. Provide for the common defense.
2. Protect contracts from fraud and not do special favors for people.
3. Provide a safety net and not overload it.
4. Provide security for health and retirement, and not overload those, either.
5. Raise enough revenue to pay for 1-4 above.
6. Account for the money spent on 1-4 above.
In rather sharp contrast, Barack Obama's idea is to weaken the military, hamper free enterprise, overload all safety nets, use the tax code to punish his perceived enemies, and be accountable to no one! In fact, this is his plan, though he dares not show it. That's right: Cloward-Piven.
So what say you? Good ideas? Or bad ideas?
Read More: http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/08/13...
If I look at Ryan's plan on its own, its not good. Its not good because its misleading and untruthful.
For example, number one should read:
1. provide for the common offense.
These are the people (Ryan and his ilk) who want to do away with Medicare/Medicaid as we know it (remove security for health and retirement / safety net, see point's #3 & 4) but refuse to cut (or even discuss cutting) "defense" spending. They won't cut this spending because it does special favors for people (see point #2).
Now, if I compare Ryan's plan to Obama's plan then yes, OVERALL (the sum of its parts) it's good in the sense that its better than. Its better than because he is actually talking about reducing spending which Obama has failed to do.
BUT, better than does not = good.
Which is why Ryan/Romney aren't giving us any.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
We can't make the changes needed to our Obamunist federal government without solid majorities in Congress too.
Not voting Nov 6th is a vote for Obama and Obamunism.
I'm squarely in the middle class, and I refuse to vote against my own best interests. That's why I will be voting for Obama in 2012.
Here's something these simpletons will be surprised to learn: Ryan/Romney want to end the home mortgage interest deduction. Republicans have wanted to get rid of that for decades, this is one of the details R&R won't tell Americans until AFTER they are elected.
It won't effect me, our house is nearly paid for. But it will be fun to watch all these Republican middle classers lose their minds when their taxes increase!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
As well does Romney's and Obama's
Obama -- Amnesty (Dream Act)
Romney -- Amnesty (Dream Act)
Ryan -- Amnesty (Comprehensive Amnesty)
Dr. Paul -- NO AMNESTY
Obama -- TARP
Romney -- TARP
Ryan -- TARP
Dr. Paul -- Warned and warned AGAINST TARP
Obama -- Signed NDAA
Romney -- Would sign NDAA
Ryan -- Voted for NDAA
Dr. Paul -- REPEAL NDAA
Obama -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Romney -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Ryan -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Dr. Paul -- END THE FED.
Obama -- Nation-building
Romney -- Nation-building
Ryan -- Nation-building
Dr. Paul -- Nonintervention
Obama -- "Patriot" Act
Romney -- "Patriot" Act
Ryan -- "Patriot" Act
Dr. Paul -- Fourth Amendment
Obama -- Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
Romney -- Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
Ryan -- Gungrabber (Voted to close the "gunshow loophole")
Dr. Paul -- Second Amendment -- Introduced legislation to repeal the "Brady Bill" and "Assault Weapons Ban."
Obama -- Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
Romney -- Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
Ryan -- Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)
Dr. Paul -- Free-market healthcare
Obama -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Romney -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th ...
As well does Romney's and Obama's
Obama -- Amnesty (Dream Act)
Romney -- Amnesty (Dream Act)
Ryan -- Amnesty (Comprehensive Amnesty)
Dr. Paul -- NO AMNESTY
Obama -- TARP
Romney -- TARP
Ryan -- TARP
Dr. Paul -- Warned and warned AGAINST TARP
Obama -- Signed NDAA
Romney -- Would sign NDAA
Ryan -- Voted for NDAA
Dr. Paul -- REPEAL NDAA
Obama -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Romney -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Ryan -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
Dr. Paul -- END THE FED.
Obama -- Nation-building
Romney -- Nation-building
Ryan -- Nation-building
Dr. Paul -- Nonintervention
Obama -- "Patriot" Act
Romney -- "Patriot" Act
Ryan -- "Patriot" Act
Dr. Paul -- Fourth Amendment
Obama -- Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
Romney -- Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
Ryan -- Gungrabber (Voted to close the "gunshow loophole")
Dr. Paul -- Second Amendment -- Introduced legislation to repeal the "Brady Bill" and "Assault Weapons Ban."
Obama -- Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
Romney -- Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
Ryan -- Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)
Dr. Paul -- Free-market healthcare
Obama -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Romney -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Ryan -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
Dr. Paul -- Strict Constitutionalist
1) Sounds fine as the constitution calls for providing for the common defense, but Ryan probably believes this means endless wars and occupations of foreign countries. Not defending us from attacks. This is a Bush era Neocon after all.
Even though this point sounds good. NEVER take a politician's word at face value.
2) That's more of a state or county level matter. And he's known for favoring special interests. Tarp anyone?
3) This kills him for me. The government's job, especially the federal government, is not to provide safety nets. That is the community, church and private charities' job. He sounds like Obama-lite by claiming this is a role of the government.
4)Again, this kills him for me. This should only be for the military, as they will need such services after serving the nation.
5) If it wasnt for 1-4, I'd agree. But I'd also add, "but never over tax"
6) Probably the only thing I can agree with with no real complaints. although again he wants to fund programs the government has no business in.
He should have simply recited the preamble after point 1 to avoid looking like a fool.
2. Protect contracts from fraud and not do special favors for people.
3. Provide a safety net and not overload it.
4. Provide security for health and retirement, and not overload those, either.
Government does not belong where they are at now in our bedroom- our kitchen - raising of our children ---Freedom from too much government !!!!!!
However, I believe Ryan has an Orwellian definition of common defense based on his voting record of endless war and putting troops on the street - like all other imperialist fascist nations.
Everything Obama is for is opposite what is needed for America.
Example? The last three and a half years.
“Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.” Albert Einstein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Lesser of two evils.
Romney can not get the Independent and Democratic votes needed for victory.
The reason you perceive Ron Paul as having "NO chance" is because like many other lemmings you appear to believe what the main stream media "news" dishes out to you every day, from your TV set as the set in stone truth.
Unfortunately for America they are the ones determining who wins and who loses elections. The liberal media successfully blacked out the "Campaign for Liberty" during the primary race. They spoon fed you Mitt Romney because they know Obama won't have a problem defeating him.
The GOP old timers did everything they could do to swindle Ron Paul out of an early victory in the state of Maine. In spite of all this Ron Paul has the delegate lead in 11 states.
How can anyone in their right mind vote for politicians that deny our liberty in the form of the "Patriot Act", the NDAA and 30,000 drone aircraft authorized to fly above our sky's?
Both Romney and Ryan are for these Orwellian acts of treason on American citizens, so is Obama.
Hopefully by the time August 27th comes around the GOP will come to it's senses and vet Romney. He is nothing but a shill with a dismal record as the governor of M...
The reason you perceive Ron Paul as having "NO chance" is because like many other lemmings you appear to believe what the main stream media "news" dishes out to you every day, from your TV set as the set in stone truth.
Unfortunately for America they are the ones determining who wins and who loses elections. The liberal media successfully blacked out the "Campaign for Liberty" during the primary race. They spoon fed you Mitt Romney because they know Obama won't have a problem defeating him.
The GOP old timers did everything they could do to swindle Ron Paul out of an early victory in the state of Maine. In spite of all this Ron Paul has the delegate lead in 11 states.
How can anyone in their right mind vote for politicians that deny our liberty in the form of the "Patriot Act", the NDAA and 30,000 drone aircraft authorized to fly above our sky's?
Both Romney and Ryan are for these Orwellian acts of treason on American citizens, so is Obama.
Hopefully by the time August 27th comes around the GOP will come to it's senses and vet Romney. He is nothing but a shill with a dismal record as the governor of Massachusetts. (47th out of 50 in job growth)
Liberty will beat Tyranny in any race all Romney/Ryan offers up is more tyranny in a different form. Ryan's budget is a joke that doesn't make the hard cuts needed, and kicks the can down the road for 10 years.
Paul's Plan balances the budget in 3 years and prevents the collapse of the USD. We will get our liberty back, a sound monetary policy and a sane foreign policy
Besides you wouldn't want to support a criminal, would you?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/...
Did you or did you not see his numbers in the primaries.
And do you really want a guy in office that BELIEVES Iran is not a threat to the USA when it goes nuclear?
Really?
The reality is if the race comes down to Paul, a box of rocks and Obama. Paul will most likely come in last.
Hes just NOT a serious candidate as far as the ability to win.
Im not a lemming, Im a realist that is able to see past ideology.
People like you so willing to give up their liberty like you are more of a danger to our country than Iran ever will be. Over half a MILLION brave souls paid the "ultimate price" for it. But you think it's OK for our government to take it away?
Paul is a serious candidate, you should turn off your TV set for a week or two. In spite of what you think this happens to be some reality you missed out on.
If any of the other candidates had the deck stacked against them in this fashion they wouldn't have lasted weeks. You are not a realist you are gobbling up the douche the "liberal media" spoon fed you.
A realist would see that we are our own worst enemy.
http://www.isidewith.com/pres...
89 Romney
81 Johnson
88 Republican
Interesting results
I loved the fact that I had other options though that expanded my voting choice details
As I stated before, I dont disagree with many of Pauls positions, but he's bonkers on some and just cant win. [as things are in todays atmosphere anyway]
And I had to pick a couple yes of no's as the other options were not to my liking.
i know this link is to gary johnson's website, so the info could seem biased, but here's the overall results so far
http://garyjohnsongrassrootsb...
and yeah, the "choose another stance" answer is a big help, because i didn't do that at first and my results were totally different.
Lesser of two evils.
Clearly thats whats your point is right?
A half a glass of muddy water is better than an empty one when youre thirsty.