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Ryan budget plan: ideas matter

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/08/13 18:12:27
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That's right: ideas do matter. The Ryan budget plan brings ideas about the core functions of the government. Ryan lists six of them:

1. Provide for the common defense.

2. Protect contracts from fraud and not do special favors for people.

3. Provide a safety net and not overload it.

4. Provide security for health and retirement, and not overload those, either.

5. Raise enough revenue to pay for 1-4 above.

6. Account for the money spent on 1-4 above.

In rather sharp contrast, Barack Obama's idea is to weaken the military, hamper free enterprise, overload all safety nets, use the tax code to punish his perceived enemies, and be accountable to no one! In fact, this is his plan, though he dares not show it. That's right: Cloward-Piven.

So what say you? Good ideas? Or bad ideas?

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  • PrettieReptar 2012/08/16 04:59:50
    Undecided
    PrettieReptar
    This is a tricky question.

    If I look at Ryan's plan on its own, its not good. Its not good because its misleading and untruthful.

    For example, number one should read:

    1. provide for the common offense.

    These are the people (Ryan and his ilk) who want to do away with Medicare/Medicaid as we know it (remove security for health and retirement / safety net, see point's #3 & 4) but refuse to cut (or even discuss cutting) "defense" spending. They won't cut this spending because it does special favors for people (see point #2).

    Now, if I compare Ryan's plan to Obama's plan then yes, OVERALL (the sum of its parts) it's good in the sense that its better than. Its better than because he is actually talking about reducing spending which Obama has failed to do.

    BUT, better than does not = good.
  • Libertys Martyr 2012/08/15 18:21:20
  • my2cents 2012/08/15 14:56:20
    Undecided
    my2cents
    +3
    The devil is in the details.

    Which is why Ryan/Romney aren't giving us any.
  • ScooterballUSA 2012/08/15 09:25:44
    Good ideas.
    ScooterballUSA
    Mitt and Paul !!!!!SUPERSIZE IT Loan 17 trillion from the fed and treasury and give it to each of the 330 million social security credit debit cards as an " UNPAID DEBT" in the amount of $66666 and close the debt issue Immediately! Meaning these accounts automaically deduct their debt paying taxes via IRS. Ending debt issue. This is the solution to the debt! Saving Billions per day interest borrowing it from ourselves and like the corporations carrying their balances forward as citizens now the citizens can carry their debt forward Paying off the debt and balancing the budget every Year!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • DavE 2012/08/15 04:42:27
    Good ideas.
    DavE
    +1
    Thank God we have a GREAT vice-presidential candidate in Paul Ryan.
    We can't make the changes needed to our Obamunist federal government without solid majorities in Congress too.
    Not voting Nov 6th is a vote for Obama and Obamunism.
  • Diane 2012/08/15 03:13:11
    Bad ideas.
    Diane
    +2
    We don't need to spend more money on the military. And we don't need to give more tax cuts to the rich -- especially at the expense of the middle class and seniors -- and future seniors. (And, by the way, if a senior citizen has to go into a nursing home, most of them have to go on Medicaid. And he wants to cut Medicaid.)

    I'm squarely in the middle class, and I refuse to vote against my own best interests. That's why I will be voting for Obama in 2012.
  • my2cents Diane 2012/08/15 15:06:18
    my2cents
    +1
    You're smarter than the average bear!

    Here's something these simpletons will be surprised to learn: Ryan/Romney want to end the home mortgage interest deduction. Republicans have wanted to get rid of that for decades, this is one of the details R&R won't tell Americans until AFTER they are elected.

    It won't effect me, our house is nearly paid for. But it will be fun to watch all these Republican middle classers lose their minds when their taxes increase!
  • Diane my2cents 2012/08/15 20:19:43
    Diane
    +1
    I agree. My house is paid for also, but I'm sure the end of the mortgage interest deduction will put a damper on home sales and cause home values to decline.
  • Tuna 2012/08/15 01:54:44
    Undecided
    Tuna
    +3
    This is NOT the balanced budget Ryan proposed; this budget will add $10T in new debt in 10 years. The cuts are 5%, not nearly good enough to make a difference. ron paul had enough
  • Scooter... Tuna 2012/08/15 09:27:25
  • Tuna Scooter... 2012/08/15 11:04:59
    Tuna
    Ryan has already caved to the republican establishment; the Tea Party will write him oFF.
  • DDogbreath 2012/08/15 01:24:54
    Undecided
    DDogbreath
    +6
    His voting record sucks a big one.

    As well does Romney's and Obama's

    Obama -- Amnesty (Dream Act)
    Romney -- Amnesty (Dream Act)
    Ryan -- Amnesty (Comprehensive Amnesty)
    Dr. Paul -- NO AMNESTY

    Obama -- TARP
    Romney -- TARP
    Ryan -- TARP
    Dr. Paul -- Warned and warned AGAINST TARP

    Obama -- Signed NDAA
    Romney -- Would sign NDAA
    Ryan -- Voted for NDAA
    Dr. Paul -- REPEAL NDAA

    Obama -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
    Romney -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
    Ryan -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
    Dr. Paul -- END THE FED.

    Obama -- Nation-building
    Romney -- Nation-building
    Ryan -- Nation-building
    Dr. Paul -- Nonintervention

    Obama -- "Patriot" Act
    Romney -- "Patriot" Act
    Ryan -- "Patriot" Act
    Dr. Paul -- Fourth Amendment

    Obama -- Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
    Romney -- Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
    Ryan -- Gungrabber (Voted to close the "gunshow loophole")
    Dr. Paul -- Second Amendment -- Introduced legislation to repeal the "Brady Bill" and "Assault Weapons Ban."

    Obama -- Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
    Romney -- Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
    Ryan -- Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)
    Dr. Paul -- Free-market healthcare

    Obama -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
    Romney -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th ...

    His voting record sucks a big one.

    As well does Romney's and Obama's

    Obama -- Amnesty (Dream Act)
    Romney -- Amnesty (Dream Act)
    Ryan -- Amnesty (Comprehensive Amnesty)
    Dr. Paul -- NO AMNESTY

    Obama -- TARP
    Romney -- TARP
    Ryan -- TARP
    Dr. Paul -- Warned and warned AGAINST TARP

    Obama -- Signed NDAA
    Romney -- Would sign NDAA
    Ryan -- Voted for NDAA
    Dr. Paul -- REPEAL NDAA

    Obama -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
    Romney -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
    Ryan -- PRIVATE Federal Reserve
    Dr. Paul -- END THE FED.

    Obama -- Nation-building
    Romney -- Nation-building
    Ryan -- Nation-building
    Dr. Paul -- Nonintervention

    Obama -- "Patriot" Act
    Romney -- "Patriot" Act
    Ryan -- "Patriot" Act
    Dr. Paul -- Fourth Amendment

    Obama -- Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
    Romney -- Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
    Ryan -- Gungrabber (Voted to close the "gunshow loophole")
    Dr. Paul -- Second Amendment -- Introduced legislation to repeal the "Brady Bill" and "Assault Weapons Ban."

    Obama -- Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
    Romney -- Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
    Ryan -- Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)
    Dr. Paul -- Free-market healthcare

    Obama -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
    Romney -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
    Ryan -- REJECTS the Enumerated Powers and 10th Amendment
    Dr. Paul -- Strict Constitutionalist
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  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/08/15 00:15:11 (edited)
    Undecided
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +6
    Thanks for letting me know more reasons to oppose Ryan.

    1) Sounds fine as the constitution calls for providing for the common defense, but Ryan probably believes this means endless wars and occupations of foreign countries. Not defending us from attacks. This is a Bush era Neocon after all.
    Even though this point sounds good. NEVER take a politician's word at face value.

    2) That's more of a state or county level matter. And he's known for favoring special interests. Tarp anyone?

    3) This kills him for me. The government's job, especially the federal government, is not to provide safety nets. That is the community, church and private charities' job. He sounds like Obama-lite by claiming this is a role of the government.

    4)Again, this kills him for me. This should only be for the military, as they will need such services after serving the nation.

    5) If it wasnt for 1-4, I'd agree. But I'd also add, "but never over tax"

    6) Probably the only thing I can agree with with no real complaints. although again he wants to fund programs the government has no business in.

    He should have simply recited the preamble after point 1 to avoid looking like a fool.
  • Scooter... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/15 09:27:53
  • DP 2012/08/14 23:51:28
    Undecided
    DP
    This is a watered down version of the Ryan Plan, sorry.
  • dandieselonian 2012/08/14 23:33:21
  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/08/14 23:11:41
    Good ideas.
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +1
    1. Provide for the common defense.

    2. Protect contracts from fraud and not do special favors for people.

    3. Provide a safety net and not overload it.

    4. Provide security for health and retirement, and not overload those, either.
    Government does not belong where they are at now in our bedroom- our kitchen - raising of our children ---Freedom from too much government !!!!!!
  • Nick A 2012/08/14 23:02:30
    Bad ideas.
    Nick A
    +2
    provide for the common defense? sorry but thats not getting any support from me.
  • Temlako... Nick A 2012/08/15 00:04:34
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    And why not?
  • Nick A Temlako... 2012/08/15 03:47:24
    Nick A
    +1
    sorry i shouldve explained more, but dan's second paragraph is what i had in mind.
  • Dan ☮ R... Nick A 2012/08/15 00:18:02 (edited)
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    Common defense under the constitution means to basically have a military to defend the states from invasion and engage in war when we are threatened. There is nothing wrong with that.

    However, I believe Ryan has an Orwellian definition of common defense based on his voting record of endless war and putting troops on the street - like all other imperialist fascist nations.
  • George 2012/08/14 22:30:22
    Good ideas.
    George
    +2
    If Obama is against it, then Im all for it.
    Everything Obama is for is opposite what is needed for America.
    Example? The last three and a half years.
  • GoatHorns George 2012/08/14 23:00:04
    GoatHorns
    +3
    then you should look into gary johnson or ron paul
  • George GoatHorns 2012/08/14 23:05:09
    George
    looking into them and having them win are two different things. No sense wasting my vote on someone who cant win while at the same time ensuring an Obama victory. Id rather vote for the guy who is closer to my point of view, have him win and beat the crap out tof the enemy of America than vote for a guy who cant win just so I can say Im a devoted follower of the loser. We all lose that way.
  • DDogbreath George 2012/08/15 01:29:23
    DDogbreath
    +6
    We are going to lose because a candidate worse than John McCain can not beat Obama.

    lose candidate john mccain beat obama

    “Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.” Albert Einstein
  • Scooter... DDogbreath 2012/08/15 09:28:26
    ScooterballUSA
    The Devil made me do it!!!!!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • George DDogbreath 2012/08/15 10:37:14
    George
    "No sense wasting my vote on someone who cant win while at the same time ensuring an Obama victory"

    Lesser of two evils.
  • DDogbreath George 2012/08/15 14:22:45
    DDogbreath
    +2
    That is exactly why our country is going down the toilet. And if you support Romney you are voting for someone that can not win and evil at the same time.

    Romney can not get the Independent and Democratic votes needed for victory.
  • George DDogbreath 2012/08/15 22:33:26
    George
    Okay, Ill play along. So Im voting for a guy who is gonna lose [according to you] So Im gonna go down trying to make him a winner as he alone is the only thing standing against an extreme agenda of American hate. Your guy doesnt stand a chance of even competing, why should I waste my vote on someone with NO chance versus a guy with a slim chance? And when making the statement 'the lesser of two evils", my meaning does not imply either one of them are actually "evil" in the literal sense of the word. My statement is meant to infer Romney would not be my first choice as Obamas opponent but Ill settle fopr him over Obama anyday of the week. Now that Ryan is in, Im MUCH MORE inclined to have fsith my vote wont be wasted on someone who will definately lose [your guy] versus someone whos chances just went up and make it easier for me to pull the lever for Ryan rather than Romney. Me, Id rather bring back the corpse of Reagan which Im sure could do a better job than Obama or Romney, combined.
  • DDogbreath George 2012/08/15 23:27:07 (edited)
    DDogbreath
    +2
    Because Paul will win a vast majority of the Independent and disenfranchised Democratic votes needed to win the general election. You can not win without a majority of these votes.

    The reason you perceive Ron Paul as having "NO chance" is because like many other lemmings you appear to believe what the main stream media "news" dishes out to you every day, from your TV set as the set in stone truth.

    Unfortunately for America they are the ones determining who wins and who loses elections. The liberal media successfully blacked out the "Campaign for Liberty" during the primary race. They spoon fed you Mitt Romney because they know Obama won't have a problem defeating him.

    The GOP old timers did everything they could do to swindle Ron Paul out of an early victory in the state of Maine. In spite of all this Ron Paul has the delegate lead in 11 states.

    How can anyone in their right mind vote for politicians that deny our liberty in the form of the "Patriot Act", the NDAA and 30,000 drone aircraft authorized to fly above our sky's?
    Both Romney and Ryan are for these Orwellian acts of treason on American citizens, so is Obama.

    Hopefully by the time August 27th comes around the GOP will come to it's senses and vet Romney. He is nothing but a shill with a dismal record as the governor of M...






    Because Paul will win a vast majority of the Independent and disenfranchised Democratic votes needed to win the general election. You can not win without a majority of these votes.

    The reason you perceive Ron Paul as having "NO chance" is because like many other lemmings you appear to believe what the main stream media "news" dishes out to you every day, from your TV set as the set in stone truth.

    Unfortunately for America they are the ones determining who wins and who loses elections. The liberal media successfully blacked out the "Campaign for Liberty" during the primary race. They spoon fed you Mitt Romney because they know Obama won't have a problem defeating him.

    The GOP old timers did everything they could do to swindle Ron Paul out of an early victory in the state of Maine. In spite of all this Ron Paul has the delegate lead in 11 states.

    How can anyone in their right mind vote for politicians that deny our liberty in the form of the "Patriot Act", the NDAA and 30,000 drone aircraft authorized to fly above our sky's?
    Both Romney and Ryan are for these Orwellian acts of treason on American citizens, so is Obama.

    Hopefully by the time August 27th comes around the GOP will come to it's senses and vet Romney. He is nothing but a shill with a dismal record as the governor of Massachusetts. (47th out of 50 in job growth)

    Liberty will beat Tyranny in any race all Romney/Ryan offers up is more tyranny in a different form. Ryan's budget is a joke that doesn't make the hard cuts needed, and kicks the can down the road for 10 years.

    Paul's Plan balances the budget in 3 years and prevents the collapse of the USD. We will get our liberty back, a sound monetary policy and a sane foreign policy

    Besides you wouldn't want to support a criminal, would you?
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/...
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  • George DDogbreath 2012/08/16 00:58:47
    George
    +1
    DUDE!!!!
    Did you or did you not see his numbers in the primaries.
    And do you really want a guy in office that BELIEVES Iran is not a threat to the USA when it goes nuclear?
    Really?
    The reality is if the race comes down to Paul, a box of rocks and Obama. Paul will most likely come in last.
    Hes just NOT a serious candidate as far as the ability to win.
    Im not a lemming, Im a realist that is able to see past ideology.
  • DDogbreath George 2012/08/16 01:38:18
    DDogbreath
    +2
    Iran is not a threat to the USA. They don't hate us because we are free they hate us because we are there, They would be turned into glass and everyone knows that.

    People like you so willing to give up their liberty like you are more of a danger to our country than Iran ever will be. Over half a MILLION brave souls paid the "ultimate price" for it. But you think it's OK for our government to take it away?

    Paul is a serious candidate, you should turn off your TV set for a week or two. In spite of what you think this happens to be some reality you missed out on.



    If any of the other candidates had the deck stacked against them in this fashion they wouldn't have lasted weeks. You are not a realist you are gobbling up the douche the "liberal media" spoon fed you.

    A realist would see that we are our own worst enemy.
  • GoatHorns George 2012/08/16 02:33:25 (edited)
    GoatHorns
    hey try this poll out, it only takes a few minutes. when you answer the questions, don't just pick yes or no. pick the "choose another stance" option, it allows you to be a little more specific as to why you pick yes or no. let us know what you come up with.
    http://www.isidewith.com/pres...
  • George GoatHorns 2012/08/16 11:40:29 (edited)
    George
    +1
    91 Paul
    89 Romney
    81 Johnson
    88 Republican
    Interesting results
    I loved the fact that I had other options though that expanded my voting choice details
    As I stated before, I dont disagree with many of Pauls positions, but he's bonkers on some and just cant win. [as things are in todays atmosphere anyway]

    And I had to pick a couple yes of no's as the other options were not to my liking.
  • GoatHorns George 2012/08/16 23:21:30 (edited)
    GoatHorns
    +2
    based on that survey, which went viral, most people side with gary johnson, with paul a close 2nd. that was my result when i took the quiz, and i was surprised because i'm a huge r.p. fan and didn't know too much about g.j.'s policies.

    i know this link is to gary johnson's website, so the info could seem biased, but here's the overall results so far
    http://garyjohnsongrassrootsb...

    and yeah, the "choose another stance" answer is a big help, because i didn't do that at first and my results were totally different.
  • GoatHorns George 2012/08/15 01:57:41
    GoatHorns
    +3
    romney and obama are for the same policies, if you look at the big picture. why vote for the same guy by a different name? THAT is throwing away a vote.

    obama paul romney
  • George GoatHorns 2012/08/15 10:37:24
    George
    "No sense wasting my vote on someone who cant win while at the same time ensuring an Obama victory"

    Lesser of two evils.
  • GoatHorns George 2012/08/15 21:54:41
  • George GoatHorns 2012/08/15 22:35:26
    George
    Ill tell you as soon as you tell me hows its been working out voting for the guys who never had a chance?
    Clearly thats whats your point is right?
    A half a glass of muddy water is better than an empty one when youre thirsty.
  • GoatHorns George 2012/08/16 00:01:29
    GoatHorns
    +1
    i don't understand. romney and obama are the same. so was obama and bush. why not try for something good, instead of just hoping for someone that's not as bad?
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