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  • +4 Wise-one February 28, 2009 23:27:53
    Wise-one
    That Ronald Reagan was an Incredible human being. A true Patriot.
    Great post. I raise a Guiness to you!
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    Christine March 03, 2009 07:08:09
    Christine
    I heard comments on two different shows expressing how socialized medicine would cut out the unproductive elderly. They both stated that Obama's numbers dont add up, and show that like many other socialist countries, those older than 62 get cut off from all but basic care. Especially considering that the baby boomers are now starting to retire and place an economic drain on the system. The other end to suffer are the premies. The government will decide whether that life is worth saving and not the doctor. From what I have personally seen of the socialized medicine in other countries, I dont want any part of it. Actually, I wont have to worry. In a couple of decades I will be amoung those considered despensable.
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    Alicia March 03, 2009 01:56:27
    Alicia
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...

    I've experienced socialized medicine. Be careful what you wish for!
  • guinnes... Alicia March 03, 2009 15:07:12
    guinnessman
    I'd like you to tell me about it sometime...and thank you...

    That is why my contention is...Wht do we think the United States can do it better when it has and is failing everywhere else?

    Is it because of the political arrogance that they think they thought of ALL the answers and solutions...no...it is because there is a movement that is under way that wants to have total power over the citizen, and both sides are propegating it.

    The government is for the people by the people...the people are not for the government or afforded rights by it.
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    Alicia guinnes... March 04, 2009 05:20:11
    Alicia
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/...

    The tales of horror are endless. My own experience is a cousin who was just told he would have to be put on the waiting list until November for knee surgery, doctors with quotas of prescriptions they can write per month, being officially classed as geriatric at 50 years old with the level of care taking a nosedive, not being able to choose which GP you go to you just have to take the one in your postcode area. I don't think people in the US have any idea of the red tape and rules that the government could insist on, it would be the government deciding on your healthcare and what was cost effective not your doctor.
  • guinnes... Alicia March 04, 2009 05:24:13
    guinnessman
    Alicia...Thank you...

    I do know...I was stationed in England and married a Brittish national...She hated it there so much she literally used me as a ticket to get here. Once in the states...she cheated on me and we ended up in a divorce.

    I want others to hear your stories to show them what they are advocating...Thank you...
  • +1
    Alicia guinnes... March 06, 2009 04:47:05
    Alicia
    Please don't feel that all British women are like your ex-wife. I met my husband when he was stationed in Germany and I was working there, we have been married more than 30 years. I loved living in europe and wanted to go back to England which we did but the health care was a huge issue and when my husband could not get a tetanus shot for a very bad cut (chances are you won't get tetanus) we got scared. I would say it was a major factor in returning to this country.
    PS. I've got 3 gorgeous nieces unattached in England!!! LOL.
  • guinnes... Alicia March 06, 2009 15:05:44
    guinnessman
    No...I don't...her mom and sisters were wonderful...she was just a user and I didn't see it till it was too late is all...

    I love the Brits...and thanks...I'm married to a wonderful gal...

    :)
  • brotherplease March 01, 2009 19:04:23
    brotherplease
    and that is why we are in the mess we are in today.. Reagan was convincing but he had no counter solution nationalized medicine he couldn't foresee how greedy the Health corporations would become and how they would rape the american people rich and poor alike
  • +1
    auxarc March 01, 2009 17:08:52
    auxarc
    This blind worship of Ronald Reagan galls me. I am also galled at the blind worship of Bobby Kennedy. People must appreciate what these politicians did for us so we can learn to set them aside and to move on. . .
    Bobby Kennedy joined Eugene McCarthy in disconnecting the "working man" from the "fighting man" within the liberal movement with their anti-Vietnam campaign in 1968. Leaving "hawkishness" to the Republican Party (or so-called conservatives) has sent us back in time to the McKinley era where we will only engage in imperial, "splendid little wars". No more WWI, WWII, Korea or Vietnam where we "liberally" spend the nation's blood to save the world. Bobby Kennedy, no doubt, got his dovishness from his father, Joe. Joe Kennedy was the "conservative" in FDR's administration. He became our ambassador to England in the 1930's and supported Neville Chamberlin's dovish approach to dealing with Hitler. So "dovishness" is truly a policy for real conservatives (like Ron Paul) who believe in keeping America from becoming involved in foreign entanglements.
    Ronald Regan took federal spending from a tight band of 17% to 19% of US GDP and raised it to well over 22%, only previously seen when we were fighting WWII. In addition to that he passed the biggest tax cut in history. In addit...""""""""""
    This blind worship of Ronald Reagan galls me. I am also galled at the blind worship of Bobby Kennedy. People must appreciate what these politicians did for us so we can learn to set them aside and to move on. . .
    Bobby Kennedy joined Eugene McCarthy in disconnecting the "working man" from the "fighting man" within the liberal movement with their anti-Vietnam campaign in 1968. Leaving "hawkishness" to the Republican Party (or so-called conservatives) has sent us back in time to the McKinley era where we will only engage in imperial, "splendid little wars". No more WWI, WWII, Korea or Vietnam where we "liberally" spend the nation's blood to save the world. Bobby Kennedy, no doubt, got his dovishness from his father, Joe. Joe Kennedy was the "conservative" in FDR's administration. He became our ambassador to England in the 1930's and supported Neville Chamberlin's dovish approach to dealing with Hitler. So "dovishness" is truly a policy for real conservatives (like Ron Paul) who believe in keeping America from becoming involved in foreign entanglements.
    Ronald Regan took federal spending from a tight band of 17% to 19% of US GDP and raised it to well over 22%, only previously seen when we were fighting WWII. In addition to that he passed the biggest tax cut in history. In addition to that he fired Fed Chairman Paul Volker, the man who beat inflation, and replaced him with Alan Greenspan, the guru of "laissez-faire" and the man who would not prick asset bubbles. So Reagan, in effect, destroyed fiscal responsibility for America and changed us from the greatest creditor nation in the world to the greatest debtor nation in the world.
    I think we have to get used to the fact that the traditions of "liberalsism" and "conservatism" that guided us very well for over half a century have been tossed aside by Bobby Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. Today, America looks to the "conservative" movement for strength of military, and hawkish foreign policy. Today, America looks to the "liberal" movement for fiscal responsibility.
    We are hurting!
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  • +1
    guinnes... auxarc March 01, 2009 17:30:57
    guinnessman
    Yes we are hurting...and yes Reagan did increase spending...But in that what he did was defeat an enemy that was hell bent on our destruction...and he knew the only way to do it was to break them militarily and financially...even if it meant to propose a system (SDI) that really had no chance of working. People keep looking to WWIII as being around the corner...We won WWIII, in my opinion. So yes I will look to Reagan and nothing you say will change that.

    Reagan saw a great many things that were happening to America and now these things are coming full force and people like you want to discount what he said or done...sorry I will not allow that to happen.

    Reagan made us strong, and made me proud to be an American,,,
    change reagan america force people discount reagan strong proud american
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    auxarc guinnes... March 01, 2009 18:09:35
    auxarc
    guinnes,
    I lived in Russia from 1997 to 1999. One of the things that really shocked me was the love of Leonid Brechniv. I was born shortly after Stalin died, so I had no experience of him other than historical. But of all the communist leaders of the Soviet Union that I was aware of (Kruschev, Kosygen, Andropov, Breshnev and Gorbachov. . . and please forgive my spelling), Breshnev seemed the most "evil" to me. Thus, I was intrigued to learn about this nostalga for him.
    In addition to being the last "strong" anti-America leader, Breshnev is credited for the first experimentation with consumerism. The building of many "magazins" (stores), first privatisation of apartments and homes, and his great love of western, decadent goods. My driver and housekeeper had their apartments "privatized" at this time. What happened?
    Before Gorbahov, before Reagan, it seems that the Soviet Union started shifting its GDP from its military/industrial complex to consumerism during the 1970's for the first time since Lennin took over Russia in 1919. The firs anti-ballistic treaty negotiated by Nixon and Kissinger, plus the U.S. drawdown in Vietnam started by Nixon and Kissinger precipitated all of this. Soviet citizenry started to indulge in consumerism.
    And then the Soviets invaded Afghanistan (1979), ag...""""""""''
    guinnes,
    I lived in Russia from 1997 to 1999. One of the things that really shocked me was the love of Leonid Brechniv. I was born shortly after Stalin died, so I had no experience of him other than historical. But of all the communist leaders of the Soviet Union that I was aware of (Kruschev, Kosygen, Andropov, Breshnev and Gorbachov. . . and please forgive my spelling), Breshnev seemed the most "evil" to me. Thus, I was intrigued to learn about this nostalga for him.
    In addition to being the last "strong" anti-America leader, Breshnev is credited for the first experimentation with consumerism. The building of many "magazins" (stores), first privatisation of apartments and homes, and his great love of western, decadent goods. My driver and housekeeper had their apartments "privatized" at this time. What happened?
    Before Gorbahov, before Reagan, it seems that the Soviet Union started shifting its GDP from its military/industrial complex to consumerism during the 1970's for the first time since Lennin took over Russia in 1919. The firs anti-ballistic treaty negotiated by Nixon and Kissinger, plus the U.S. drawdown in Vietnam started by Nixon and Kissinger precipitated all of this. Soviet citizenry started to indulge in consumerism.
    And then the Soviets invaded Afghanistan (1979), again before either Reagan or "Mr. Gorbahov". When the Soviet Union asked its citizenry to once again sacrifice for the next generation and started to shift GDP back towards militarization, the Soviet Union began to unravel. . . Gorbachov with Perestoika and Glasnot followed all of this.
    What I learned while living in Russia was that the first "commie basher" (i.e. Richard Nixon and the Algier Hiss trial preceded Joe McCarthy) was truly responsible for winning the Cold War.
    America loves to hate Richard Nixon. In addition to his accomplishments being credited to Reagan (winning the Cold War, "Reagan Democrats instead of the Silent Majority", bringing over the "Solid South" from the dems after the Civil Rights movement, bringing over LBJ's oil money to the Republican coffers, etc.), Nixon probably paid too strongly for his abuse of executive power (Ellsberg and Watergate breakins and coverups) when America was probably trying to even the score for a change in a motorcade route around Dealy Plaza in 1963 or a fabricated incident in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. If Richard Nixon wasn't such a dark and sleazy character while Reagan was so smooth and charming, your accolades, above, would rightly be placed upon him.
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  • KUDABUX auxarc March 02, 2009 21:29:47
    KUDABUX
    I'm with you, auxarc. Reagan, the great deregulator of banking industry, put us where we are today--in deep shit. He was a friend of big business and bankers, thanks to Nancy's connections--got him into the Whitehouse--them and little old blue haired ladies who just loved Bedtime for Bonzo!
  • +3
    jeedai March 01, 2009 16:06:44
    jeedai
    Gee, what a coincidence. "Another" Republican against Universal Healthcare.

    What's new?
  • +1
    guinnes... jeedai March 01, 2009 16:30:31
    guinnessman
    Actually...anything SOCIALISTIC that removes our rights and freedoms.
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    jeedai guinnes... March 01, 2009 16:35:20
    jeedai
    Socialism doesn't remove rights and freedoms. Stop trying to spread fear.

    And as a side note, if you didn't want this change in ECONOMIC policy in our country, you should have kept a closer eye on your capitalists on Wall Street. They're the ones who fucked up and continue to royally rape us on a daily basis. The people don't want that.
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    guinnes... jeedai March 01, 2009 17:07:52
    guinnessman
    I did...Carter lowered the lending laws...Clinton opened the door for people who couldn't afford loans to buy homes, Bush 43 and McCain tried to impose regulatory plans to oversee but the dems said no several times and now try to blame them...

    The Dems forced the lending institutions to make bad loans and deals. Nost of you CAPITALISTS on WALLS STREET gave donations to Christopher Dodd and to Barrack Obama as well as did Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...What the republicans did was appease the deams and spend like drunken democrats, and sat back and didn't fight...so don't you dare tell me I don't know what happened.

    Also yes socialism does remove peoples riights...it does it one by one making you too dependant on the government. Once you are so dependant on themm and they've been putting in laws to "PROTECT and HELP" you (Gun control, socialized medicine, Fairness doctorine, GPS Systems in cars to monitor your driving, smoking bans, environmental actions...et al) then they have the control over you as an individual.

    The BEAST (Socialism, Fascism, Communism, Marxism, Taoism) always hated the same thing...religion, a free press, intelectual inquiry, artistic expression...anything that elevates or empowers the individual. And all who call out the BEAST are villified, ridiculed, and c...""''
    I did...Carter lowered the lending laws...Clinton opened the door for people who couldn't afford loans to buy homes, Bush 43 and McCain tried to impose regulatory plans to oversee but the dems said no several times and now try to blame them...

    The Dems forced the lending institutions to make bad loans and deals. Nost of you CAPITALISTS on WALLS STREET gave donations to Christopher Dodd and to Barrack Obama as well as did Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...What the republicans did was appease the deams and spend like drunken democrats, and sat back and didn't fight...so don't you dare tell me I don't know what happened.

    Also yes socialism does remove peoples riights...it does it one by one making you too dependant on the government. Once you are so dependant on themm and they've been putting in laws to "PROTECT and HELP" you (Gun control, socialized medicine, Fairness doctorine, GPS Systems in cars to monitor your driving, smoking bans, environmental actions...et al) then they have the control over you as an individual.

    The BEAST (Socialism, Fascism, Communism, Marxism, Taoism) always hated the same thing...religion, a free press, intelectual inquiry, artistic expression...anything that elevates or empowers the individual. And all who call out the BEAST are villified, ridiculed, and called war mongers.

    Stalin said that "It would not matter if 3/4 of the human race perished...the important thing is that the remaining 1/4 be communist."

    You my friend are like the frog placed in cold water that is slowly heated till the water is boiling and the frog is dead. I don't know what it will take for you to wake up and see what is happeniung right in front of your eyes...but then again, society does what it does best...it appeases and hope the BEATS walks by the door and doesn't bother them...but it will attack and I am going to do all I can to not let that happen...

    happeniung eyes society appeases hope beats walks door bother attack
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  • +2
    jeedai guinnes... March 01, 2009 17:35:28
    jeedai
    You, sir, are a crazy man who does NOT know what he's talking about or what happend.

    Oh, and religion stays out of my government. Don't make that mistake again. God and Satan have nothing to do with it.
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    koolauser jeedai March 01, 2009 20:25:43
    koolauser
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    guinnes... jeedai March 01, 2009 21:08:32
    guinnessman
    Ahhh...contraire...I do. If you followed anything concerning it...you'd know the facts. It is all there in black and white...all you have to do is follow the path. Now...I am not saying the republicans are not culpable in any of this...what I am saying is there is more than what you or told. If you think having the same idiots that put us in this situation be the ones to get us out...you are the fool. I don't think the weak-kneed republicans can do it either.

    This country was founded for the freedom of religion and I do think it has as much right in the policies of government and the governing body. To deny that is to deny everything this country was founded on. Liberal education and the bastardizing of constitutional meanings has led to this mindset of the Separation of Church and State...that tennant is and was intended to keep congress or any governing power from establishing a one nation religion...and allow all who want to worship, to be able to worship without persecution.

    Can YOU tell me the first and only book that was allowed as historical text for schools and education? Probably not...It was the Geneva Bible brought over from Europe on the Mayflower. It is the book this country was founded on.

    I will leave you with this...“The American people will never knowingly...
    Ahhh...contraire...I do. If you followed anything concerning it...you'd know the facts. It is all there in black and white...all you have to do is follow the path. Now...I am not saying the republicans are not culpable in any of this...what I am saying is there is more than what you or told. If you think having the same idiots that put us in this situation be the ones to get us out...you are the fool. I don't think the weak-kneed republicans can do it either.

    This country was founded for the freedom of religion and I do think it has as much right in the policies of government and the governing body. To deny that is to deny everything this country was founded on. Liberal education and the bastardizing of constitutional meanings has led to this mindset of the Separation of Church and State...that tennant is and was intended to keep congress or any governing power from establishing a one nation religion...and allow all who want to worship, to be able to worship without persecution.

    Can YOU tell me the first and only book that was allowed as historical text for schools and education? Probably not...It was the Geneva Bible brought over from Europe on the Mayflower. It is the book this country was founded on.

    I will leave you with this...“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” Quoted from Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate and member of the American Civil Liberties Union. 1940, 1944 and 1948

    God Bless and have a wonderful day granted to you by God and His wonderous love.
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    jeedai guinnes... March 01, 2009 22:05:37
    jeedai
    You have no idea what your talking about. Just about everything you've said is nonsense and absolutely not true. You cannot revise history to fit your twisted and deranged view on the world. And anyone who truly knows their history will agree with me, I promise you that. They would understand and cringe at every word you've just uttered.

    You're a crazy fuck. Goodbye.
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