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Ron Paul: what will he be able to do at the convention?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/04/16 17:49:43
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The New York Times shows Mitt Romney leading with over 600 delegates, and Ron Paul with only 52. But:

Over the weekend, reports came in from Examiner.com (Wilmington, DE and their National
edition). They showed Ron Paul winning delegates in Missouri, Colorado
and Minnesota that everyone thought would go to Romney or Santorum.
Santorum then quit the race last week, and never said how he expected
“his” delegates to vote. The two Examiners seemed to think that many of
them would vote for Ron Paul and not for Mitt Romney. In any
event, Ron Paul knew that caucuses would select delegates, because
primaries were non-binding. Not only are those primaries non-binding;
they have no influence on what caucuses do.


The Colorado results are most interesting. Caucuses chose 36
delegates. Sources did not seem to agree on how they would vote. But
those who investigated the matter closely, realized what had happened. RealClearPolitics, for instance, says
that Mitt Romney had the most delegates. In fact, he “won” 13
delegates, against 6 for Santorum. The caucuses chose 17 others who did not pledge their votes. But where do their loyalties lie? Tom Mullen at The Washington Times thinks he knows. Todd King of Lewis, CO, one of those “unpledged” delegates, told Mr. Mullen this:


13 unpledged delegates, including me, will vote for Ron
Paul on the first ballot. One unpledged delegate will vote for Santorum.
The remaining three unpledged delegates, also known as the ‘delegates
at large,’ are the state GOP Chairman, the state GOP National
Committeeman and the National Committeewoman. Those three will likely
vote for Romney. They usually vote for the frontrunner so as not to make
waves.


So Ron Paul can count on as many delegate votes as Mitt Romney can,
or almost as many, depending on how the super-delegates vote.


Missouri Republicans changed their caucus rules,
under pressure from many who felt that the Republican “establishment”
wanted them to shut-up and let them do things their way. Ron Paul hopes
to “dominate” in Missouri when Republican voters there meet in caucus
this Saturday and in June.


The Ron Paul campaign flatly disputes the AP/New York Times delegate tally. In March they showed the true delegate strength as:


  • Mitt Romney: 425
  • Rick Santorum: 361
  • Ron Paul: 225
  • Newt Gingrich: 165

One commenter on that page explained how Ron Paul’s supporters get delegates:


This isn’t for sissies. You have to go to the meetings,
meet people and tell them your name so they’ll remember you when it
comes time to vote in delegates, etc. And frankly, it’s boring. I
listened to a long speech tonight and there were a million other things I
would’ve rather been doing (like reading on here or griping with my RP
friends on Facebook).


If those who support the other three candidates are less willing to
listen to “boring…long speech[es]” and forgo their “million other things
[they'd] rather [do],” then of course they’re losing delegates. They
leave the field to Ron Paul.

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  • Theresa 2012/04/16 18:32:09
    Win the nomination
    Theresa
    +18
    Ron Paul could be the only Nominee without the scent of scandal. That I think will be very important to the delegates.

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  • gldynmd... Che Gue... 2012/04/17 13:25:57
    gldynmd BTO-t-BCRA-F
    +2
    And you are....
    You are goofy
  • Roger47 2012/04/17 04:53:41
    None of the above
    Roger47
    +3
    Hate to burst your bubble (not really) but Ron Paul is not eligible for anyone to vote for him at the convention, having not won at least 5 states. Republican party rules, according to reliable source "Newsmax."
    "A GOP rule for the convention states that “each candidate for nomination for president of the United States and vice president of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a plurality of the delegates from each of five or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination."

    http://www.newsmax.com/Politi...
  • Dan ☮ R... Roger47 2012/04/17 10:06:37
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    He doesnt need to win 5 states. He needs to win the majority of delegates in 5 states. Since every source is misreporting unpledged delegates, we dont know if he is eligible or not.
  • Hobbitt / Oldsquid 2012/04/17 04:37:25
    None of the above
    Hobbitt / Oldsquid
    put on a white jacket and serve the drinks
  • Savior 2012/04/17 03:52:23
    Undecided
    Savior
    +3
    Romney only has 552 bound delegates, I know Paul has only 26 bound delegates, but there's still lots of states to play out, and unlike 2008, there are a lot more proportional delegation states, so it will be harder for Romney to secure nomination. But he only needs a little more than 1/2 of the remaining delegates at stake, to win the nomination.

    But Ron Paul's position in the party will be determined by how many delegates he will have.

    Here's how I have it

    0-100 delegates= Nothing for Ron Paul, Romney would have won nomination handily
    100-200 delegates= Nothing for Ron Paul
    200-300 delegates= Nothing for Ron Paul
    300-400 delegates= Short speech at Convention (10-20 mins)
    400-500 delegates= Medium-lengthed speech at convention (20-30 mins)
    500-600 delegates= Long speech at Convention (30-60 mins)
    600-700 delegates= Influence platform
    700-800 delegates= Influence multiple positions on platform
    800-900 delegates= Change platform (not completely)
    900-1000 delegates= Administration position
    1000-1100 delegate= VP
    1142+= nomination

    Now I'm not a fool, in order for Ron Paul to secure the nomination, it will take a win in every remaining state. But I'm hoping in these next few states he can capture momentum on Santorum leaving and hit the 500-700 mark.

    But I do urge Republi...



    Romney only has 552 bound delegates, I know Paul has only 26 bound delegates, but there's still lots of states to play out, and unlike 2008, there are a lot more proportional delegation states, so it will be harder for Romney to secure nomination. But he only needs a little more than 1/2 of the remaining delegates at stake, to win the nomination.

    But Ron Paul's position in the party will be determined by how many delegates he will have.

    Here's how I have it

    0-100 delegates= Nothing for Ron Paul, Romney would have won nomination handily
    100-200 delegates= Nothing for Ron Paul
    200-300 delegates= Nothing for Ron Paul
    300-400 delegates= Short speech at Convention (10-20 mins)
    400-500 delegates= Medium-lengthed speech at convention (20-30 mins)
    500-600 delegates= Long speech at Convention (30-60 mins)
    600-700 delegates= Influence platform
    700-800 delegates= Influence multiple positions on platform
    800-900 delegates= Change platform (not completely)
    900-1000 delegates= Administration position
    1000-1100 delegate= VP
    1142+= nomination

    Now I'm not a fool, in order for Ron Paul to secure the nomination, it will take a win in every remaining state. But I'm hoping in these next few states he can capture momentum on Santorum leaving and hit the 500-700 mark.

    But I do urge Republicans, although Ron Paul maybe irrelevant at the convention.

    He's very relevant in the general election, Ron Paul probably has between 1 and 3 million supporters, supporters who will not vote traditional big government, bad on civil liberties, Republican line.

    So if Republicans want to beat Obama they must find a way to bring in Ron Paul supporters, and not ostracize them.
    (more)
  • dallas Savior 2012/04/17 06:45:18
  • Dan ☮ R... dallas 2012/04/17 08:51:38
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +4
    Romney's positions are so similar to Obama that voting for Obama is practically the same as voting for Romney. So that cant work.
  • dallas Dan ☮ R... 2012/04/17 08:54:37
  • Dan ☮ R... dallas 2012/04/17 08:59:52
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    Did you read a single word I said?

    I know many republicans are stupid enough to vote for an Obama as long as he has an R by his name, but I never said "vote for Obama". I said voting for Obama is no different than voting for Romney.
  • dallas Dan ☮ R... 2012/04/17 09:02:08
  • Dan ☮ R... dallas 2012/04/17 09:10:30 (edited)
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +4
    Because I dont want Obama?
    I'll vote for real change with a third party if the republicans nominate Obama.

    Only a fool would continue to live in this two party dictatorship.
  • dallas Dan ☮ R... 2012/04/17 09:31:56
  • Dan ☮ R... dallas 2012/04/17 09:46:53
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +4
    And Mitt Romney is Obama.

    Unless silly letters next to their name or skin color matters.
  • dallas Dan ☮ R... 2012/04/17 09:49:24
  • Dan ☮ R... dallas 2012/04/17 09:52:49 (edited)
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    So skin color or having a D or R next to your name actually makes a difference?

    You're a fool.
  • dallas Dan ☮ R... 2012/04/17 10:07:40
  • Dan ☮ R... dallas 2012/04/17 10:15:40
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +3
    By that same logic, I can say if it makes no difference, then vote for Romney. In fact, if you like Obama then you probably should. He'd get a lot of republicans to go with Obama's agenda.

    Realistically, if you dont like Obama, you're a fool for voting for Romney, and same for if you dont like Romney.
    If you hate them both, then you go for the 3rd party, and not vote for either fraud.
  • dallas Dan ☮ R... 2012/04/17 16:00:20
  • Dan ☮ R... dallas 2012/04/17 18:15:29
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +3
    Then stop saying "I agree".
  • dallas Dan ☮ R... 2012/04/17 18:22:58 (edited)
  • Savior dallas 2012/04/17 15:06:26
    Savior
    well as much as that sounds appealing, I'm voting Republican either way.
  • dallas Savior 2012/04/17 16:04:09
  • Savior dallas 2012/04/17 17:09:04
    Savior
    Yeah, I failed a year, and I dropped out a year,

    see I see it as beating Obama will continue spreading the message of liberty.
  • dallas Savior 2012/04/17 17:24:47 (edited)
  • Savior dallas 2012/04/17 17:39:10
    Savior
    +1
    Did you 25% of the global prison population is in the United States.

    Did you know under NDAA if you're even "suspected" of terrorism you can be indefinetely detained, which means no trial. Which means how are you proven to be a terrorist.

    The government is growing larger every day.
  • dallas Savior 2012/04/17 17:50:25
  • Savior dallas 2012/04/17 18:00:03
    Savior
    +2
    there was outrage 10 years ago

    just not as many people were listening. I know I wasn't.

    Ron Paul certainly was against the patriot act while Bush was president.
  • dallas Savior 2012/04/17 18:04:38
  • doc moto Savior 2012/04/18 02:35:02
    doc moto
    +2
    http   americanbuilt us images Ron Paul Ron Paul opposition jpg
    We have some trolls here using commie names!
  • Che Gue... Savior 2012/04/17 07:31:43
    Che Guevara - Hero
    What Ron Paul supporters ? lol
  • Stueiro Che Gue... 2012/04/17 10:48:30
    Stueiro
    +7
    There are plenty of us. Over 7,000 at Berkley is his record and many more in the 3-6 thousands and growing! Romney's crowds are in the hundreds. Suggest you stop watching msm crap if you want to know the real truth!
  • Che Gue... Stueiro 2012/04/17 11:19:43
    Che Guevara - Hero
    I don't watch MSM. I try and stick to the facts. Ron Paul would take us back to the Dark Ages.
    Anti Ron Paul
  • doc moto Stueiro 2012/04/18 02:36:58
    doc moto
    +1
    And Ron Paul is getting hopefully more of the older folks, hard to wake them fro their AARP ways and out of their Obamacares for you attitude; Obama wants folks 60 and older dead and six months and not wanted dead too!
  • Savior Che Gue... 2012/04/17 15:10:30
    Savior
    He's already received 1M votes, now not all of the supporters full-heartedly support him, but some of his supporters are D's some are Independents, and some of the primaries were R-only.

    But anyways I predict his finished R-primaries with close to 2 million votes, and then i'd say nearly 1M voters couldn't vote now.

    So 3M people in the election only is about 3% of voters, but where those voters go can make or break an election. But I hope those voters go Republican. because that's the party that has accomodated classical liberals the most.
  • Che Gue... Savior 2012/04/17 15:24:28
    Che Guevara - Hero
    There are approximately 55 million registered Republicans. You say Ron Paul has received 1 Million votes ? That means 1.81% of the possible approximate Republican Voters have come out to vote for him. He isn't looking like a deal breaker if you as me.
  • Savior Che Gue... 2012/04/17 15:28:01
    Savior
    not right now, but he is spreading the message of liberty, and someone will hear, and answer the call after he's done.
  • Savior Che Gue... 2012/04/17 17:11:41
    Savior
    Also Ron Paul supporters are the most poltically involved supporters of any other candidate. Ron Paul supporters are becoming local GOP chairman and woman, and trying to become delegates. not our numbers may be small, but the more we get involved the more our chances of bringing the Republican party to the message of liberty increases.
  • Che Gue... Savior 2012/04/17 17:14:09
    Che Guevara - Hero
    It doesn't really matter how "involved" Ron Paul's supporters are. Bottom line he has lost his chance to be the Republican Presidential nominee.
  • Savior Che Gue... 2012/04/17 17:20:23
    Savior
    I will say it's untrue right now, since there is yet to be an official nominee yet, but it's close to being true. JAust Obama supporters don't understand the political process, most think vote and it's over. They don't realize that getting involved is the starting point to having your own political career.

    See all of these supporters are hearing the message, and wanting to spread it. So even if Ron Paul loses, he could have influenced the careers of many future politicians.

    We seeing right now, more and more people are using the message of liberty to become politicians.

    And it won't be just about one guy any more, it will be about many people.
  • dallas Savior 2012/04/17 18:13:13 (edited)

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