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Ron Paul v. Wayne LaPierre

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/12/25 15:11:05
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You all heard that Ron Paul does not agree with Wayne LaPierre. But not because Ron Paul agrees with people like Diane Feinstein or Chucky Schumer. But because Wayne LaPierre proposed passing another law, and a federal law, to post guards in schools and make the taxpayers pay for it.

Ron Paul calls hogwash on that idea. And if you read his essay closely, you'll see why.

It all comes down to this: does the government of a free society exist to protect people's rights, or to ensure their safety? For they can only do the one, and not the other. Even if they could guarantee safety, they would destroy liberty in the process.

Remember what Benjamin Franklin said.

So which do you prefer? Liberty? Or safety?

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  • Racefish 2012/12/25 15:31:26
    Liberty
    Racefish
    +13
    I have to go with Ron Paul on this. The responsibility of guarding the schools rests with the 10th Amendment.

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  • Daryl 2013/02/04 19:52:29
    Liberty
    Daryl
    +1
    Ron Paul shows why he is not leadership material:
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/0...
  • Temlako... Daryl 2013/02/04 23:24:04
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    I agree with you: that was a stupid thing to say, maybe the stupidest thing Ron Paul ever said. He must be getting senile--and developing plaques on his brain.

    I hope his son Rand had better sense than that.

    It would have helped his cause to suggest that Chris Kyle was set up because he knows too much. But instead he tried to put a black mark on his name.
  • Lizard King 2013/01/31 15:32:51
  • texasred 2012/12/28 03:48:27
    Liberty
    texasred
    +2
    But in lieu of having more children killed, I'd go with LaPierre's suggestion on a State level.
  • rightside 2012/12/27 22:09:12
    Liberty
    rightside
    +1
    I believe that we should have liberty overall, but what's to say that we couldn't have both?
    At least more safety to a certain extent.
  • santa6642 2012/12/27 02:18:08
    Liberty
    santa6642
    +1
    With out liberity you have nothing.
  • Cher 2012/12/27 01:25:29
    I have another thought.
    Cher
    Who cares...
  • Gregaj7 2012/12/27 01:02:17
    Liberty
    Gregaj7
    +1
    Arm, and train, the teachers and children.
  • RicardoCabeza 2012/12/26 22:53:51
    Liberty
    RicardoCabeza
    +2
    There are plenty of laws that would have stopped the tragedies if they were enforced, but they do not want them enforced because it will not allow them the inroads to do what they have been wanting to do since 1914.
  • texasred Ricardo... 2012/12/28 03:49:25
    texasred
    +2
    Exactly.
  • DDogbreath 2012/12/26 22:12:14 (edited)
    Liberty
    DDogbreath
    +2
    Without question LIBERTY!

    liberty
  • The Pro 2012/12/26 20:05:19
    Liberty
    The Pro
    +1
    Posting armed guards at schools I believe is not an answer and would only complicate things in the end. The issue of mental health needs to be looked at more seriously in this country.
  • Maj. C. D. Hardy 2012/12/26 18:42:58
    Why not both?
    Maj. C. D. Hardy
    I think there needs to be a balance between liberty and safety for our children. Besides having a constant police presence in our schools in my opinion would decrease a lot more than gun violence, it would decrease bullying, and illegal drug use as well.
  • ur XLNC-PWCM 2012/12/26 18:37:05
    Liberty
    ur XLNC-PWCM
    +1
    Armed guards in the schools is a 'knee-jerk' reaction!
  • Arizona1950 2012/12/26 17:54:13
    Liberty
    Arizona1950
    +3
    for with liberty we do have safety ...
  • Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA 2012/12/26 17:15:04
    Liberty
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    I support Wayne La Pierre in the defense of the 2nd Amendment and his challenging the liberals in their manufactured new mission to further hamper the rights of gun owners, but Ron Paul has an excellent point. The federal government needs to get out of the education business, and quit messing with areas that should remain within the states rights.
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/12/26 16:07:30
    I have another thought.
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    There are 23,000 public schools with armed guards now - apparently many agree with this idea. (It is not original to LaPierre, Clinton recommended this many years ago). LaPierre is only proposing something proposed before and adopted by 23,000 local schools. Paul is only writing the same things that have been said before. Neither are originals.

    Personally, I think it is a local issue and should be decided on a local level based on what those particular citizens think
  • Katfish 2012/12/26 14:46:42
    Liberty
    Katfish
    +2
    This should be a state and local issue.
    The last thing the federal government needs is another agency and vast expenditure.
  • GAC 2012/12/26 14:02:01
    Liberty
    GAC
    +4
    Nothing against LaPierre, but I think it's just more practical to allow the teachers to arm themselves. Putting guards at every single school in America is just too much ground to cover.
  • Rich Ma... GAC 2012/12/26 15:06:18
    Rich Matarese
    +2
    Moreover, having just ONE "Officer Friendly" type at any facility creates a single-point failure vulnerability.

    Take him out - neutralize him in any way - and everybody else in the school is meat for the slaughter.

    By contrast, publicize the end of laws and regulations requiring that teachers and other school staff members be denied the exercise of their unalienable human right to keep and bear arms, and EXPEDITE concealed carry permitting in states where "Vermont carry" isn't already the rule, and you will have advertised to all concerned - parents as well as prospective mass murderers - that these schools are now "hard targets," to be approached by evildooers at their deadly peril.

    Even more interesting might be the effect on government teachers' political leanings.

    It can be reliably expected that people who regularly exercise their individual right to keep and bear arms will tend to think and therefore politically act FAR more individualistically than they would otherwise, and that might very effectively ruin schoolteachers as a constituency "on the plantation" for the Democrat Party.
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  • DeeB 2012/12/26 13:29:52
    Liberty
    DeeB
    +2
    I totally agree with Ron Paul. Having cops in schools is taking away liberties. Bullet proof the ground floor windows and all visitors must buzz in. These school shootings are highly suspect anyway.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/...
  • Risk 2012/12/26 13:29:27
    Liberty
    Risk
    +4
    There are plenty of retired police officers, veterans etc. that would gladly volunteer , 2-3-4 hours shifts to help protect schools ! Ron Paul is again correct !
  • Dan 2012/12/26 12:05:20
    Liberty
    Dan
    +2
    Armned guards should be payed by local taxes and if the people in that location want it.
  • Dan ☮ R... Dan 2012/12/26 16:08:50
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    I'd prefer concealed carry, but if you go for the armed guards, be careful where they come from or who vets them. If the federal government passes the law the NRA wants, they'd probably have the TSA guard schools, which open up a whole new can of worms.
  • Dan Dan ☮ R... 2012/12/26 18:46:47
    Dan
    +2
    Didn't hear about that, it would be best it be handled locally and the damned Government keep the hell out of it. Especially the TSA.
  • Dan ☮ R... Dan 2012/12/27 03:37:39
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    Its probably because I'm one of the few that thought that far ahead. If the feds put in security detail to the schools, then it will be TSA. I'm absolutely certain of that. They already tried to do that for some school proms.

    Although I agree, its a state or local issue, and preferably just local.
  • holly g... Dan ☮ R... 2012/12/26 19:44:20
    holly go lightly
    :0
  • Contarded Guru Chickenhawk 2012/12/26 11:52:41 (edited)
  • Dan Contard... 2012/12/26 12:07:19
    Dan
    +2
    Do you know that Obama's Daughters have 11 armed guards? Why do other peoples children deserve no protection?
  • Contard... Dan 2012/12/26 12:09:44
  • Dan Contard... 2012/12/26 12:15:07
    Dan
    +3
    Drones?! Yeah right. How about we just put chip implants in our children also. If the Supreme Overlord and Savior of all the Universe can have 11 armed guards for his children. Then a school can have at least one. Payed with local taxes and if the people in that location want it.
  • Contard... Dan 2012/12/26 12:20:31
  • Dan Contard... 2012/12/26 12:24:40
    Dan
    +3
    Unless I mis-understood your comment, it looks like you said drones.

    "Why couldn't the detector send an alert to authorities, get a visual confirmation like the Drone operators get and fire an automated defensive weapon to take him down. Problem solved."

    How about we just arm them with Hell Fire Missiles? Problem solved.
  • Contard... Dan 2012/12/26 12:27:58
  • Dan Contard... 2012/12/26 12:37:28
    Dan
    +1
    You did say Drones and can't make it any clearer. So you resort to insults. Are you sure your not a Lib?
  • Contard... Dan 2012/12/26 12:44:14
  • Dan Contard... 2012/12/26 13:45:08
    Dan
    +1
    Drone operators operate drones. Duh
  • Contard... Dan 2012/12/26 15:10:10
  • Dan Contard... 2012/12/26 15:34:12
    Dan
    +1
    That's right, metal detectors, drones and automatic weapons fired remotely. Let's have the TSA in schools also and irradiate or frisk the children also. Makes for good indoctrination.
  • Contard... Dan 2012/12/26 15:37:31
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