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Tuna 2012/08/04 21:56:39
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You all know me as a pretty good (??) Christian American; a conservative and a patriot. I would like to see Ron Paul as POTUS; you have never heard me attack anyone on Sodahead for it.
I have found some that are hiding behind Ron Paul thinking he would pull the USA support fro Israel. They want just that so Israel can be wiped off the map. These are Ron Paul supporters but not patriotic Americans
Beware of them giving the rest ofus a bad name. If somehow Ron Paul were to get elected, he would not allow Islam to eliminate Israel. These pseudos think Ron Paul is an anti-semite so they are stirring the pudding as I like to say.
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  • Rick4Ron - Paul☮2012 2012/08/05 00:16:24
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    Rick4Ron - Paul☮2012
    +14
    Obviously, you are making a play, on a pro-Israel agenda, and that's fine! Using Ron Paul, to do so... questions your real support. However, if you truly are a Ron Paul supporter than that is all that needs to be said. We know his position on foreign aid, and his position on not forcing Israel to be our bitch. Your poll is derisive, and that goes against Dr. Paul's message.

    The facts remain there are more Jews in America, than in Israel.

    Israel, has an estimated (and unconfirmed) 300, varied, nuclear delivery systems. And numerous other U.S. supplied arms, like AWACS to compliment their own excellent arms manufacturing and modification skills. There is plenty of Quid pro quo.

    While the global economy is effecting everyone, Israels economy is stronger than the U.S.

    If it comes down to choosing between a pro-American stance and a pro- Israel one, which would you choose? America first!

    Israel is a sovereign nation, who should determine their own fate, without getting permission from our corrupt government first.

    Any cost-benefit analysis would (and has) shown the inequality in this relationship. Our support of Israel has come at a high cost, both politically and practically.

    The Israeli lobbying machine in Washington, is far too powerful and successful, as Ron Paul has r...









    Obviously, you are making a play, on a pro-Israel agenda, and that's fine! Using Ron Paul, to do so... questions your real support. However, if you truly are a Ron Paul supporter than that is all that needs to be said. We know his position on foreign aid, and his position on not forcing Israel to be our bitch. Your poll is derisive, and that goes against Dr. Paul's message.

    The facts remain there are more Jews in America, than in Israel.

    Israel, has an estimated (and unconfirmed) 300, varied, nuclear delivery systems. And numerous other U.S. supplied arms, like AWACS to compliment their own excellent arms manufacturing and modification skills. There is plenty of Quid pro quo.

    While the global economy is effecting everyone, Israels economy is stronger than the U.S.

    If it comes down to choosing between a pro-American stance and a pro- Israel one, which would you choose? America first!

    Israel is a sovereign nation, who should determine their own fate, without getting permission from our corrupt government first.

    Any cost-benefit analysis would (and has) shown the inequality in this relationship. Our support of Israel has come at a high cost, both politically and practically.

    The Israeli lobbying machine in Washington, is far too powerful and successful, as Ron Paul has reminded us.

    If Israel feels threatened by Iran, and wants to attack, or invade... go for it! You don't need us. And if you do, perhaps you should reconsider. At what cost to America, would aiding or performing a preemptive first-strike against Iran. How would the closing of the straights of Hormuz damage the American economy? How would the world respond to America, without proof of WMD's? Bush used it as a false-flag reasoning with Iraq... would it be any different with Iran?

    We can't defend our own borders, let alone anyone else's, without further insolvency or sacrifice of American lives.

    The U.S and Israel enjoy long standing strategic corporation. However, it was Benjamin Netanyahu, who said, "America doesn't have to Nation build here, we are already a nation."

    Both Benjamin Netanyahu and Ron Paul are on the same page.

    Obama and Romney are all rhetoric.
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  • Boblawbla 2012/08/05 02:26:45
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    Boblawbla
    +6
    You so crazy! LOL

    I get it!
  • Tuna Boblawbla 2012/08/05 02:33:13
    Tuna
    Oh boy; here is one off the wall aryan islamic supporters.
  • Boblawbla Tuna 2012/08/05 02:37:15
    Boblawbla
    +6
    What? Not calling me an anti-Semite too? I'm surprised at you. LOL
  • historian Tuna 2012/08/05 03:41:39
    historian
    +6
    Okay, I went through the previous question where you claimed a couple of people proclaimed Mohammed as the bearer of truth, called them Islamists, and so on. Guess what I found? The same thing I found when I went through it the first time, not a single insinuation, not a single comment not a single thing whatsoever to back up your claim. You've been found out. I'll add your undying love and devotion to the antichrist state "Israel", your twisting of scripture, your blatant lying, and your hypocrisy to the pile of fruits and conclude you as a fraud not worth speaking to again.
  • irish -... historian 2012/08/05 11:38:45
    irish -liberty or death!
    +2
    well said! animated  clapping gif
  • DDogbreath 2012/08/05 02:11:46
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    DDogbreath
    +13
    Israel can take care of themselves, because they have said so.

    If you are so concerned with Israel over your own country, you are free to move there.
  • Tuna DDogbreath 2012/08/05 02:30:40
    Tuna
    +1
    You didn't read it; it's not ME. It is the so-called Ron Paul supporters that don't give a damn about liberty or the Constitution or Ron Paul like I do. Some of these supporters deny there is a God, or tell me Mohammed and the quran are the truth. They only want to see RP as POTUS thinking somehow RP would leaveIsrael to fend for herself against islam; that is what they see in RP not liberty.
  • DDogbreath Tuna 2012/08/05 02:35:28
    DDogbreath
    +10
    You should seek professional help, they could possibly provide you a solution to your "problem".
  • Michael S. Tuna 2012/08/05 02:44:57 (edited)
    Michael S.
    +8
    Keep in mind that a lot of Ron Paul supporters ARE atheists and agnostics, who feel just as strongly about their religious viewpoints as you do about Christianity. In the same vein, a few Ron Paul supporters actually are Muslims, just as some are Jews. Are they not entitled to their religious freedom? We have a few Buddhists and Hindus too. :p I'd say a bit over half of RP supporters are Christians, but it's a big tent...there's nothing wrong with that, but sometimes it takes thick skin to get along when you're in "close quarters" with such a diverse group. Atheists and Christians especially tend to rub each other the wrong way from time to time.
  • Tuna Michael S. 2012/08/05 02:56:48
    Tuna
    +1
    Has one of RP supporters told you there is no god of Israel; that is imaginary. The quran and Mohammed are the truth? They don't give a damn about liberty and the Constitution. they think Rp would leave Israel to fend for herself against Islam; that's why they want RP not for the good of the USA.
  • Michael S. Tuna 2012/08/05 03:01:56 (edited)
    Michael S.
    +8
    I can't imagine the same person saying, "There is no God of Israel," and "The Quran and Mohammed are the truth," because atheists don't believe in the Quran, and Muslims believe Allah is the God of Abraham, i.e. the God of Israel. Whoever is saying both at the same time is either confused or trolling. ;)

    I can imagine an atheist saying the first, and a Muslim saying the second, but in that case those would just be their religious beliefs...beliefs to be tolerated, just as you would want them to tolerate your own. Not everyone is a Christian, but that doesn't make them enemies of the Constitution or liberty at all.
  • Tuna Michael S. 2012/08/05 03:09:39 (edited)
    Tuna
    Go to today's thread "do you stand with israel"; also on "did republicans steal the election from Ron Paul" same thing. and see me do battle with these imposters who only support RP because they think a President RP would leave Israel to the islamists. See them tell me there is no god of israel; only the quranand mohammed are true. Christ never existed; the hebrew bible is a myth; these are RP supporters/imposters.
  • Michael S. Tuna 2012/08/05 03:17:46
    Michael S.
    +8
    I was in that thread too, but I try to stay out of the more religious discussions on political threads. It gets way too messy when people are fighting about more than one thing at once...

    Honestly, I think you might be wrapping your religious beliefs too tightly with your political beliefs, to the point where you're having trouble seeing how other people often treat them separately. I could be wrong, but it seems like you're getting very wound up about the existence of Muslims and atheists and jumping to the conclusion that they must be anti-liberty or anti-Constitution because of their religious beliefs...that's really not the case. Atheists DO believe the Bible is a myth, etc.; you know what you believe, so why not let them believe as they do? You can both agree to disagree on religious truth and support liberty all the same.
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 11:45:33
    irish -liberty or death!
    +4
    LOL LOL the only imposter i see is you. you are NOT for ron paul at all.
    somewhere along the line ,you have snapped and your delusions have taken over.LOL
  • Tuna irish -... 2012/08/05 17:10:09
    Tuna
    Me?? You argue with everyone on S.H. I didn't change my profile because I don't live in the USA, you did. What happened to Iceland where you lived last week??
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 18:56:31
    irish -liberty or death!
    LOL LOL apparently the definition of argue is beyond you.
    LOL iceland ??LOL why i moved back to the western sudan .
  • DeeB Michael S. 2012/08/05 03:55:30
    DeeB
    +5
    He is delusional Michael, no one said anything of the sort, he's making it all up. Read above what Historian says about it, he went to check it out for himself.
  • irish -... Michael S. 2012/08/05 11:43:49 (edited)
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    thats not what i said at all. he has reading comprehension problems. he was dissing islam and i pointed out to him it is the same as the hebrew religion. the difference is that mohammed felt that the hebrews had subverted the true meaning of the god and bible and that was why he wrote the koran.
    as you see,the fish didn't or could not grasp that concept.LOL
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 11:41:50
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    you also have comprehension problems!LOL LOL
  • Teri- O... Tuna 2012/08/05 05:50:09
    Teri- Oregon
    +3
    I deny your god and believe in Ron Paul does that make me Islamic? Because I'm not. People don't have to believe in your god to be a Ron Paul supporter. No I am not Islam, I'm Pagan.
  • Tuna Teri- O... 2012/08/05 10:49:23
    Tuna
    How can you call yourself a RP constitutionalist and deny God; BTW there is only one God not one for each religion man did that. The Constitution and our laws are taken from God's law.
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 11:51:47
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    LOL they are NOT!
  • Tuna irish -... 2012/08/05 11:57:05
    Tuna
    " endowed by our creator" it says. Go steal, go murder, go commit adultery and see if God's law applies.
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 12:31:28
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    lol lol thats nature ,not some religious fantasy.
  • Tuna irish -... 2012/08/05 17:12:09
    Tuna
    written on cave walls, not in the hebrew bible huh? Not where British Common Law came from that bible and our Constitution came from British Common Law, huh?
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 18:57:16
    irish -liberty or death!
    wrong again. the bible?/ try the code of hammurabi.LOL
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 11:40:57
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    you have gone off the deep end ! animated  coocoo  gif
  • historian 2012/08/05 01:41:02
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    historian
    +10
    Maybe calling you nuts is a bit strong, but that was the best of the three choices. I think you're misled and are twisting Christian beliefs to fit your devotion to an idol called the state of "Israel", and when someone speaks out against that State you are going overboard in accusing them of being Islamists, repeating the lie and fear-mongering threat of "wipe Israel off the map", etc. You claim to be a Christian American, but your "Israel-first" attitude is against both.
  • Tuna historian 2012/08/05 01:52:45
    Tuna
    +1
    You didn't hear my words; it's not me. It's these Ron Paul supporters telling me there is no God; there was no Christ but there was Mohammed and he is truth. they TOLD me that in another thread. They are not patriots; they are Islamists pushing Ron Paul thinking somehow RP will leave Israel to fend for herself against Islam. They don't care about patriotism or the constitution; they want Israel gone and think Ron Paul will be the vessel if elected.
  • historian Tuna 2012/08/05 02:15:40
    historian
    +7
    I've looked at that thread, but in fairness I'll look again, but don't recall ever seeing the people you are talking about saying Mohammed brought the truth. I have seen comments insulting to the Bible and Christianity, and do find that offensive, but I also recognize that they're entitled to that opinion and also believe they won't be changing their mind if all they see are hypocrites calling themselves Christians spewing lies and garbage at and about them. By your fruits you will know them, as you quote, and I'm beginning to wonder about what's on your vine. I've agreed with you on many things in the past, and likely will do so in the future, but on the subject of the state of "Israel", I have been there and back and after studying the scriptures and having the truth revealed, I won't worship that idol I once did in ignorance.
  • Tuna historian 2012/08/05 02:38:34 (edited)
    Tuna
    +1
    The USA is the House of Israel; do you not know that God blessed Jacob whose name became Israel? God swore to Jacob that his seed would be "scattered abroad, as numerous as the stars in heaven and the sands of the seas". that can NOT be the geographical Israel; itis not scattered abroad but the people are. Do you not know that seed of Jacob (Israel) was in Mystery Mountain New Mexico some 1500 BC right after God blessed Jacob???They also engraved and scribed on the "batcreek stone" in eastern Tennessee appx. 1500BC. Can it be that in these end times God's chosen people don't even know who they are?? Can it be??
  • historian Tuna 2012/08/05 03:17:35
    historian
    +5
    "The USA is the House of Israel..." I suspected this was where you were coming from. You are of the Christian Identity movement which preaches a false gospel based on race and endless geneaologies of what is claimed to be the dispersed "Lost Tribes of Israel".

    Paul explained the promises to the seed so long ago. Read Galatians please. To the seed, which is Jesus, and all who are in him being as the sands of the sea and starts of the heavens. FAITH not some endless genealogies trying to prove your somehow a member of a lost tribe of Israel. I've studied this out before and truly, you are faced with the question of how to even know for sure according to choppy historical details and then how diluted your "israelite blood" has become. It's insane.


    Galatians 3-
    28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
    29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
    Colossians 3:10-11
    "10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
    11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."
  • irish -... historian 2012/08/05 11:55:04
    irish -liberty or death!
    Those who claim that the history and the future of Israel and Jerusalem is all very well laid out in the bible need to understand one very important reality of the great book. The words Israel and Jerusalem mentioned in the bible are NOT named after the physical geographical places. Rather, the physical geographical places are named after these words. One of the meanings of the hebrew word ‘Israel’ would resolve to “honest man of God”. Similarly, one of the meanings of the hebrew word ‘Jerusalem’ would resolve to “place of peace” or “founded peaceful”. So, Jerusalem in Israel really means ‘the peaceful center of the honest man of God’.
  • Boblawbla Tuna 2012/08/05 02:35:55
    Boblawbla
    +6
    Yes, Ron Paul is the only candidate that doesn't try to shut down free speech by calling anyone an anti-Semite, and does not require his supporters to vow loyalty to Israel. He's been called anti-Semite for standing up to the Fed but that old stand-by invective is getting old. It's not working the way it always has in the past because people are catching on. Israel and the Zionist organizations around the world are being exposed today. The ADL and Abe Foxman are getting bad reviews today, but they continue to whine about how everyone hates them.

    Tuna, do you pledge your loyalty to the US?
  • Tuna Boblawbla 2012/08/05 02:58:43 (edited)
    Tuna
    +2
    When someone tells me the jews and Bush/Cheney planned 9-11; that is anti-semite. When they tell me there is no god of Israel; the quranand Mohammed are the truth, that is anti-semite. Capisce??? They don't give a damn about RP or the USA or liberty; they think RP would leave Israel to the Islamists. that's their reason for supporting RP.
  • Boblawbla Tuna 2012/08/05 03:28:09
    Boblawbla
    +5
    You need an education about Zionism man. That's where you're getting lost. Not all Jews are Israelis nor Zionist. And not all Zionists are Jewish. And you just love that word don't you? Let me ask you if it bothers you to be called Anti-Muslim? No, I'm sure it doesn't. You feel justified in painting all Arabs or Muslims as bad people. And then you take a few steps further and lie about what people have said to you but give no links to prove it. You've made a complete fool of yourself baby Zionist. LOL
  • Tuna Boblawbla 2012/08/05 03:44:31
    Tuna
    +1
    JEW is not optional; you can't join up; you must be born JEW. Arabs are JEWS; palestinians are JEWS,lots of Israelis are NOT jews. Zionism was created just to bring JEWS back to their homeland before they die. Old JEWS who were shipped too Siberia to die lonely, cold, and starving or JEWS who have been expelled for their religion and left to die. Thes JEWS were born in Israel or related to the bloodline of Judah. Only 2 ways you can be a JEW.
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 11:56:37
    irish -liberty or death!
    really? and yet there are lots of jews who adopted judaism. like the ones in israel that came from russia.
  • Tuna irish -... 2012/08/05 12:31:17
    Tuna
    The ones from Israel went to Russia to begin with; where did Russians come from, the stork??? Was czar Nicholas and Katherine not hebrews???? Why were they buried in limestone according to the hebrew bible THEN? Are not the Caucasus Mountains Russia? Did not Caucasians (tribes) migrate over those mountains to gain the name Caucasian??
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 11:55:59

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