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Tuna 2012/08/04 21:56:39
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You all know me as a pretty good (??) Christian American; a conservative and a patriot. I would like to see Ron Paul as POTUS; you have never heard me attack anyone on Sodahead for it.
I have found some that are hiding behind Ron Paul thinking he would pull the USA support fro Israel. They want just that so Israel can be wiped off the map. These are Ron Paul supporters but not patriotic Americans
Beware of them giving the rest ofus a bad name. If somehow Ron Paul were to get elected, he would not allow Islam to eliminate Israel. These pseudos think Ron Paul is an anti-semite so they are stirring the pudding as I like to say.
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  • Rick4Ron - Paul☮2012 2012/08/05 00:16:24
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    Rick4Ron - Paul☮2012
    +14
    Obviously, you are making a play, on a pro-Israel agenda, and that's fine! Using Ron Paul, to do so... questions your real support. However, if you truly are a Ron Paul supporter than that is all that needs to be said. We know his position on foreign aid, and his position on not forcing Israel to be our bitch. Your poll is derisive, and that goes against Dr. Paul's message.

    The facts remain there are more Jews in America, than in Israel.

    Israel, has an estimated (and unconfirmed) 300, varied, nuclear delivery systems. And numerous other U.S. supplied arms, like AWACS to compliment their own excellent arms manufacturing and modification skills. There is plenty of Quid pro quo.

    While the global economy is effecting everyone, Israels economy is stronger than the U.S.

    If it comes down to choosing between a pro-American stance and a pro- Israel one, which would you choose? America first!

    Israel is a sovereign nation, who should determine their own fate, without getting permission from our corrupt government first.

    Any cost-benefit analysis would (and has) shown the inequality in this relationship. Our support of Israel has come at a high cost, both politically and practically.

    The Israeli lobbying machine in Washington, is far too powerful and successful, as Ron Paul has r...









    Obviously, you are making a play, on a pro-Israel agenda, and that's fine! Using Ron Paul, to do so... questions your real support. However, if you truly are a Ron Paul supporter than that is all that needs to be said. We know his position on foreign aid, and his position on not forcing Israel to be our bitch. Your poll is derisive, and that goes against Dr. Paul's message.

    The facts remain there are more Jews in America, than in Israel.

    Israel, has an estimated (and unconfirmed) 300, varied, nuclear delivery systems. And numerous other U.S. supplied arms, like AWACS to compliment their own excellent arms manufacturing and modification skills. There is plenty of Quid pro quo.

    While the global economy is effecting everyone, Israels economy is stronger than the U.S.

    If it comes down to choosing between a pro-American stance and a pro- Israel one, which would you choose? America first!

    Israel is a sovereign nation, who should determine their own fate, without getting permission from our corrupt government first.

    Any cost-benefit analysis would (and has) shown the inequality in this relationship. Our support of Israel has come at a high cost, both politically and practically.

    The Israeli lobbying machine in Washington, is far too powerful and successful, as Ron Paul has reminded us.

    If Israel feels threatened by Iran, and wants to attack, or invade... go for it! You don't need us. And if you do, perhaps you should reconsider. At what cost to America, would aiding or performing a preemptive first-strike against Iran. How would the closing of the straights of Hormuz damage the American economy? How would the world respond to America, without proof of WMD's? Bush used it as a false-flag reasoning with Iraq... would it be any different with Iran?

    We can't defend our own borders, let alone anyone else's, without further insolvency or sacrifice of American lives.

    The U.S and Israel enjoy long standing strategic corporation. However, it was Benjamin Netanyahu, who said, "America doesn't have to Nation build here, we are already a nation."

    Both Benjamin Netanyahu and Ron Paul are on the same page.

    Obama and Romney are all rhetoric.
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  • JackoClubs 2012/10/01 19:15:56 (edited)
    I have noticed some weird Ron Paul supporters
    JackoClubs
    It's the same thing, with all Ron Paul people; I sympathize with them and at least some of what they say, but they just don't seem to get it.

    I'm not a Romney fan by any means, but you not only have to choose which battles to fight in life, you also have to choose when to fight them.

    If Obama gets back in with, say, 49% of the vote to Romney's 36%, with the rest going to Paul, maybe they'll realize that it was the wrong time to take a stand. Of course, by then it'll be far, far too late.

    William F. Buckley's rule says: "Always vote for most electable conservative candidate."

    Paul just isn't electable, in my opinion; while he has feverish, loyal support, there's just not enough of it to get him over the hump. Paul needs to swallow his pride, officially drop it and, for the greater good of the country, publicly endorse Romney.
  • brian.southworth.921 2012/08/25 20:20:34
    I will be on the lookout for these Islamists hiding behind Ron Paul
    brian.southworth.921
    Can I play? Is this game like exhuming McCarthy? Where are those waskely Islamists?
  • DefendnProtect 2012/08/05 12:54:04 (edited)
    I have noticed some weird Ron Paul supporters
    DefendnProtect
    +2
    It's pretty weird imo to support an Apartheid theocracy founded on ongoing ethnic cleansing, occupation, martial law, assassinations, and terrorism (also against the US).

    apartheid theocracy founded ethnic cleansing occupation martial law assassinations terrorism

    terrorrr
  • Tuna Defendn... 2012/08/07 15:44:25
    Tuna
    Just as bad as terrorists groups that blow up busses with innocent women and children on board then celebrate the bomber as a hero. Don't pay the bills so that the poor people of Gaza don't have electricity most of the time; or black market FOOD to double prices to their poor poor people; or don't have adequate facilities to deliver new babies into the world but allow Israel to do it for them. When they find time, they lob rockets and explosives into Israel killing MORE innocent women and children. Mean while Israel is discovering bio-medical breakthroughs; saving lives all over the world; celebrating THOSE people as heros.
  • Defendn... Tuna 2012/08/07 19:04:05
    DefendnProtect
    +1
    I'm against terrorism on both sides. I do defend the right of the people who were driven out of their houses to defend themselves against Israeli terror.
  • Tuna Defendn... 2012/08/07 21:45:15
    Tuna
    +1
    How about the poor people that had lived on their land all their lives, their parents before them, back for generations thathad to pack up and leave Gaza? Some got shot in the back while giving up their land. Just about all the Israelis thatlive in a City have to have a bomb shelter in their house or apartment. Border patrols to guard against suicide bombers killing innocent Israelis but the Palestinians not Arabs will sit at the table to look for solutions??
  • Defendn... Tuna 2012/08/08 00:58:28
    DefendnProtect
    +3
    You know where 'terrorism' comes from right?

    Texas terrorists..


    Israelis are the Chinese or Russian invaders and occupiers of Texas.
  • Liberty... Defendn... 2012/08/08 02:20:24
    LibertyCaroline
    +2
    Love this video. I can tell you true, that under this scenario, I would be a terrorist! Dr. Ron Paul 2012
  • Defendn... Liberty... 2012/08/08 17:51:12
    DefendnProtect
    +1
    LOL I would surely support you as a terrorist!

    Perhaps I come over to help you as a 'foreign extremist' if you invite me ;)
  • Wally-Molon Labe! 2012/08/05 12:44:41 (edited)
    I have noticed some weird Ron Paul supporters
    Wally-Molon Labe!
    +3
    I agree Tuna. Ron Paul supporters, and their new tact of saying "Liberty Movement" supporters are nuts. They seem so hung up on the Constitution, when we all know it is just an old worn out document created for the times in which it was written. I mean, really, look how many times (17) it has been amended since ratification and how much better off we are today. Our country is run by people of unequaled moral compass, we trade freely with friends and foe alike, we mind our business and keep our noses out of other countries affairs, we take care of our own poor and sick, our taxes are as low as possible to support our small limited federal government, we honor state and individual rights, the military protects our borders, the militias are honored as in the 2nd amendment, law enforcement is really there to protect and serve, and we all live free with the knowledge that we can do as we please as long as we harm no other.



    Damn sick Ron Paul fanatics!
  • Tuna Wally-M... 2012/08/05 17:03:49
    Tuna
    Some ONLY support Ron Paul with the notion that somehow RP would feed Israel to the Islamic wolves.
  • Wally-M... Tuna 2012/08/05 17:34:23
    Wally-Molon Labe!
    +2
    I don't believe RP would do that. But I do think that we should stop financially supporting Israel and all other countries. Not only can we not afford it it's time for them to take care of themselves.
  • Vertigo Tuna 2012/10/28 06:41:29
    Vertigo
    +3
    i think you forget that WE ARE BROKE. We borrowed money from China. Israel has over 300 nuclear bombs, and one of the most well trained active military. It is our involvement, in all these foreign nations that has increased tension and hostility in the middle east. My friend, if you are talking about the islamic extremists, more specifically, Al-quaeda, you need to look at who gave them there weapons and power. In case you don't feel like looking it up, it was the United States. Also Saddam Hussein was a CIA operative. It was us who started this mess, now, we have to stop involving ourselves in this nonsense.
  • betz 2012/08/05 12:21:09
    I have noticed some weird Ron Paul supporters
    betz
    I have not run into the weird types you describe but I will say there are a couple of Ron Paul supporters who are very very intolerant of others' views. Especially one of them. Mean and vicious person IMO.
  • 9th of 9 2012/08/05 12:01:25
    I will be on the lookout for these Islamists hiding behind Ron Paul
    9th of 9
    +5
    .... but I don't think there are any. Ron Paul would love to see the whole world prosper, but he would love to see the USA prosper the most. He does not want to eliminate Israel. He thinks Israel can take care of themselves, and so do I.
  • Tuna 9th of 9 2012/08/05 12:24:48
    Tuna
    +1
    DITTO !!!!! Nowhere does RP say that we would abandon our allies. "A strong national defense not an international offense" he said. if we got out of the way Israel would take care of her problems. A tiny nation no bigger than one of our States, surrounded by those who celebrate blowing up a bus filled with innocent women and children; a tiny nation that is just about the ONLY one in the world that is financially solvent. That can NOT happen without God's help.
  • 9th of 9 Tuna 2012/08/05 17:45:25
    9th of 9
    +1
    I agree, but the USA is not God.
  • Michael McFascist 2012/08/05 07:12:07
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    Michael McFascist
    I think Ron Paul does have a really good understanding of the economy. What Ron Paul has no understanding of is the human pain grief and misery his economic policies would incur. I believe he also has a pretty naive non interventionist foreign policy as well.
  • Tuna Michael... 2012/08/05 10:43:27
    Tuna
    +2
    It's not like we are in darn fine shape right now; we are BROKE, can't pay the bills, 2 wars, civil unrest in the USA and all over the world. It's not like we need to do something very different, huh?
  • Michael... Tuna 2012/08/05 11:47:33 (edited)
    Michael McFascist
    Well, like I said if America was Mayberry RFD I'd definitely vote Ron Paul for mayor.
  • Tuna Michael... 2012/08/05 12:26:17
    Tuna
    +1
    Andy didn't run Mayberry into the ground with debt they could not pay.
  • Michael... Tuna 2012/08/05 12:34:49
    Michael McFascist
    +1
    well, technically Andy didn't run Mayberry...he was just the sheriff...uhhmmm...WTF was his name somebody Jones or something or other was the mayor...but I understand what you're saying.
  • Tuna Michael... 2012/08/05 13:02:03
    Tuna
    +1
    And the two mayors before him that wanted to cut down the oak tree and "gussie up the town" for the Hollywood producers. Or had the parade for the Gold Truck.
  • irish -... Michael... 2012/08/05 11:32:57
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    wrong.
  • Defendn... Michael... 2012/08/05 13:00:37
    DefendnProtect
    +3
    ' the human pain grief and misery his economic policies would incur. '

    You're talking about the establishment cronies who continue to debase purchasing power in local communities and foreclose the middle class into tent camps for Goldman Suks campaign bribers, right?



    Become an eternal debt slave and vote for the establishment (US gov debt $680.000 per family and rising rapidly).
  • ««Gingey, the Master Debate... 2012/08/05 06:54:53
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    ««Gingey, the Master Debater of Þ|-|Дэ†»»
    +5
    Still not going to admit that you were wrong?

    butt hurt
  • Tuna ««Ginge... 2012/08/05 10:44:24
    Tuna
    ANOTHER Aryan showing up at a Ron Paul discussion.
  • ««Ginge... Tuna 2012/08/05 22:46:23
    ««Gingey, the Master Debater of Þ|-|Дэ†»»
    +2
    Yes, I am a proud Aryan!

    iranian pride
  • Odinsown 2012/08/05 06:44:39
    I have noticed some weird Ron Paul supporters
    Odinsown
    +1
    Not weird just idealists
  • Crypt_Heart 2012/08/05 06:29:42
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    Crypt_Heart
    O.o hard to choose between those options. Anyway, good for you ^_^
  • Rich Matarese 2012/08/05 06:06:15
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    Rich Matarese
    +4
    Nah. According to the our Occupier-in-Chief's Heimatsicherheitsdienst (aka "Homeland Security"), we're all domestic terrorists.

    So much for "reverencing liberty."
  • poet4justice 2012/08/05 06:00:28
    I have noticed some weird Ron Paul supporters
    poet4justice
  • Teri- Oregon 2012/08/05 05:44:51
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    Teri- Oregon
    +7
    Oh for crying out loud, Israel has even told us to stay out of their business. This is what is wrong with people like you. You think you need to control everyone else's lives and have your nose in everyone else's business. Why don't you try keeping your nose in your own business and stay out of other country's business's. NEWS FLASH- Israel has been around for longer than American and they are still here so I think they ARE doing alright!
  • Wally-M... Teri- O... 2012/08/05 12:50:58
    Wally-Molon Labe!
    +6
    They're doing better then just alright. They have control of our government and the Federal Reserve. We pay them billions and what do we get in return?
  • Tuna Wally-M... 2012/08/05 13:03:54
    Tuna
    That would be the british; where the investigation into Goldman-Sachs ended abruptly and have infiltrated our media to make sure what information gets out.
  • Wake The Sheeple 2012/08/05 02:49:23
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    Wake The Sheeple
    +12
    The Israeli government keeps getting us into these wars in the middle east when they should just fight them by themselves. The zionist warmongers wage their wars at the expense of American lives and American wages.
  • Tuna Wake Th... 2012/08/05 02:53:14
    Tuna
    +1
    What WARS did israel get us into???Wow I gotta hear this.Zionism is the pure movement to bring poor old starving jews home to their sworn homeland before they die. You can not become a jew; you must be born a jew.
  • irish -... Tuna 2012/08/05 11:34:28
    irish -liberty or death!
    +3
    wrong again.
  • Wake Th... Tuna 2012/08/08 05:17:45
    Wake The Sheeple
    +1
    Might want to listen to these guys & rethink your definition.



    Iraq & very soon Iran. They bombed the hell out of the USS Liberty in an attempt to get us in war with Egypt & Syria, now they are convincing our government to pass sanctions, infect nuclear facility computers with Viruses, & assassinate educated scientists in an effort to provoke war with Iran. Israel is the over confident wimpy bully with a big tough best friend, they pick fights then call our name at the top of their lungs when their victims retaliate.

  • Michael S. 2012/08/05 02:38:03 (edited)
    I think you are nuts too, Tuna
    Michael S.
    +7
    I don't actually think you're nuts, but it was the least damaging option I could find. Maybe you could use some practice creating polls where at least one of the options isn't an insult to someone...but that doesn't make you nuts. ;)

    The truth is, every group and political persuasion is going to have its oddballs. There's just no helping it, but partisans and jerkwads of all stripes like to condemn entire groups for such indirect associations: You see it all the time with liberals picking the most raving mad "Teabagger" and acting like they're representative of all conservatives (or Tea Party conservatives), and you see it with conservatives picking the most brain-dead nanny stater and acting like they're representative of all liberals (or to kick it up a notch, acting like James Holmes is representative of OWS protestors).

    Ron Paul supporters are especially diverse and particularly easy to smear, because he's a lightning rod for almost anyone who is disillusioned with the federal government...whether for good reasons or bad. Since anti-establishment views are inherently outside the [current] mainstream (though they're finally catching on), an anti-establishment candidate is bound to attract a lot of people who are "different," including a few unbalanced fringe elements as w...







    I don't actually think you're nuts, but it was the least damaging option I could find. Maybe you could use some practice creating polls where at least one of the options isn't an insult to someone...but that doesn't make you nuts. ;)

    The truth is, every group and political persuasion is going to have its oddballs. There's just no helping it, but partisans and jerkwads of all stripes like to condemn entire groups for such indirect associations: You see it all the time with liberals picking the most raving mad "Teabagger" and acting like they're representative of all conservatives (or Tea Party conservatives), and you see it with conservatives picking the most brain-dead nanny stater and acting like they're representative of all liberals (or to kick it up a notch, acting like James Holmes is representative of OWS protestors).

    Ron Paul supporters are especially diverse and particularly easy to smear, because he's a lightning rod for almost anyone who is disillusioned with the federal government...whether for good reasons or bad. Since anti-establishment views are inherently outside the [current] mainstream (though they're finally catching on), an anti-establishment candidate is bound to attract a lot of people who are "different," including a few unbalanced fringe elements as well as libertarians, paleoconservatives, liberaltarians, and intelligent free thinker types.

    The "crazy ones" are always going to exist, and you have to expect it...and no matter who you are (but perhaps especially if you're a Ron Paul supporter), you're going to have to expect people lumping you in with them, because I don't see the culture of political cheap shots and smears changing anytime soon.

    At the same time, I suspect you might be gravely misinterpreting the views of some of the Ron Paul supporters you're talking about (who may not be gung-ho about the state of Israel):

    For instance, take myself. I have a serious problem with Israel's influence over US politics and our vicarious complicity in their ruling administration's crimes against Palestinians (which have been debated ad nauseum in other polls, but I digress). I also do not consider Iran a serious threat to the US or to Israel: The last thing on earth Iran needs is for a US or Israeli city to be blown up; they know the US military would erase their entire country from existence within a day, before even attempting to prove their involvement. It's their worst nightmare, and it's ludicrous to seriously think they would destroy a city just to dance around and be annihilated soon after, when both Israel and the US would easily survive any such attack. I do suspect they're trying to get a nuke, but it's not so they can commit suicide with it. It's because the US treads more carefully around countries capable of nuclear retaliation, and they want to be part of that "club." (Now, unaffiliated radical Islamic fundamentalists do pose an ongoing security challenge, but they cannot be defeated through militarism, and it's important to recognize that the US deliberately radicalized the region with Operation Cyclone...which will take time to undo, especially after our foreign policy since then has reinforced the trend.)

    Upon hearing these views, a lot of people might have a kneejerk reaction and assume that I'm anti-semitic, or that I hate Israel, or that I secretly want Israel destroyed...and nothing could be farther from the truth. I absolutely do not want any ill fortune to befall the Israeli people, especially violence. In fact, I think the Israelis are in a situation which deeply parallels our own as Americans: They're divided about their own government's foreign policy, but their political system keeps their scumbag elites in charge and makes the common people nearly helpless to change policy without a massive political movement. I do not feel the unconditional support for the Israeli state that so many evangelical Christians feel (or any state for that matter), but I do feel a sense of kinship due to our political predicaments that our reckless and belligerent governments have put us in. They deserve the same thing we do: The opportunity to take control of their government and right these wrongs.
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