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Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) said, “Secession is what we did when we left England, it was a wonderful thing....there were no complaints when eastern European nations seceded from the Communist bloc.”

“The principle of secession is very important, not so much for the purpose of seceding, but the purpose of saying to the federal government ‘if you mistreat us that’s what we might consider’."

Watch Ron Paul's explanation of secession in this video:



Does American history support secession? The South tried that in the 18th Century, which led to the bloody Civil War. Yet, the USA took great pleasure in seeing many Eastern bloc countries secede from Soviet Union. Should people who suggest secession get prosecuted for treason?

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  • Rebel [SHP] 2012/11/17 02:12:41
    Yes
    Rebel [SHP]
    +16
    It's an American right. The will of the people, the citizens, is what matters in this nation. In times like these where the government neither aids or represents the citizens....something must be done. A stand must be taken.

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  • mom 2012/12/06 14:26:56
    No
    mom
    Just build a fence dems on one side reps on the other and see who will try to jump the fence to get to the other side.
  • Rob Clary 2012/12/05 14:51:00
    No
    Rob Clary
    America would never support such a man, and all of his presidential runs were vanity runs for an office he's not qualified to hold. I admire him for being honest about where he stands.
    That's refreshing.
    Ron Paul made some great points, but at day's end, he's still a crank and a pipsqueak.
  • PrettieReptar 2012/12/01 23:29:04
    Yes
    PrettieReptar
    +1
    If you've read and understand this country's history the answer is yes, it is an American Principle and no, those that suggest it are not guilty of treason.

    The pact between the states' and the federal government to unite is not a suicide pact.
  • Sissy 2012/11/29 11:51:59
    No
    Sissy
    Am I wrong, or was this question settled some 150 years ago or so? In that "little conflict" called the Civil War?
  • Rob Clary Sissy 2012/12/05 14:52:13
    Rob Clary
    +1
    Right, it was settled in blood.
    Debate over...lol
  • john richardson 2012/11/24 21:54:12
    No
    john richardson
    Ive upset some of my friends but I believe the UNITED STATES should remain united, the trouble is they don't want socialism imposed on a free people and you can't blame anyone for that, but my solution is to fight hard like our kids future depends on it, so as soon as this nonsense is over we can get back to rebuilding a country
  • elijahin24 2012/11/24 02:21:45
    No
    elijahin24
    +1
    Secession is treason. I suppose the Congressman could make the case that the United States was started as an act of treason; but that treason was justified by the oppression of the British overlords. This is treason based on partisan political bitching.
  • Popeye elijahin24 2012/11/24 15:44:42
  • elijahin24 Popeye 2012/11/24 16:04:57
    elijahin24
    +1
    As I said: THAT treason was justified by the tyranny of the British King. This treason is based upon nothing but partisan political bitching, and in many cases, bigotry. As far as I'm concerned, everyone who signs this petition should be arrested and tried for treason. Any state that actually votes to secede, should be placed under martial law.
  • Popeye elijahin24 2012/11/24 16:13:33
  • elijahin24 Popeye 2012/11/24 16:16:35
    elijahin24
    +1
    That's what the traitors said about Abraham Lincoln. If OUR President orders it, it will be my pleasure to begin arresting those individuals.
  • Popeye elijahin24 2012/11/25 01:43:50
  • elijahin24 Popeye 2012/11/25 18:23:27
    elijahin24
    +1
    OK traitor. Whatever makes you feel better about your treason. But you cannot reasonably call treason, patriotic.
  • Tennessean elijahin24 2012/11/26 16:07:11
    Tennessean
    +1
    You seem to believe that our current government is not practing tyranny, just as much, or more so, that the British King, but you overlook all the rights that are being violated under the quise of protecting us, mostly from ourselves, through our war on terror, drugs and anything else the government can think up to give them more power over our lives.

    The government is not arbitrary as long as it limits itself to the powers granted it under our constitution, but when it begins to exceed those powers it becomes arbitrary. We are forced to give up essential freedoms for a little temporary safety. We are no longer secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures. The government can now arrest citizens without presentment or indictment, our homes and autos can be searched without a warrant, our papers, phone calls, and e-mails can be monitored without a warrant, our property can be seized without even a charge being placed against us, let alone being convicted of a crime, and there is no end in sight of the abuses of our rights the government is engaging in.

    If the government continues down the road of infringement on our rights, spends our country into bankruptcy, and continues to ignore our constitution, I can imagine a sufficient n...
    You seem to believe that our current government is not practing tyranny, just as much, or more so, that the British King, but you overlook all the rights that are being violated under the quise of protecting us, mostly from ourselves, through our war on terror, drugs and anything else the government can think up to give them more power over our lives.

    The government is not arbitrary as long as it limits itself to the powers granted it under our constitution, but when it begins to exceed those powers it becomes arbitrary. We are forced to give up essential freedoms for a little temporary safety. We are no longer secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures. The government can now arrest citizens without presentment or indictment, our homes and autos can be searched without a warrant, our papers, phone calls, and e-mails can be monitored without a warrant, our property can be seized without even a charge being placed against us, let alone being convicted of a crime, and there is no end in sight of the abuses of our rights the government is engaging in.

    If the government continues down the road of infringement on our rights, spends our country into bankruptcy, and continues to ignore our constitution, I can imagine a sufficient number of citizens, along with those that would defect from the military, to rise up against an arbitrary government and replace it with one that would conform to the constitution, and remember that it was instituted to protect the unalienable rights of its citizens, not to be destructive of them.
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  • elijahin24 Tennessean 2012/11/26 17:27:06
    elijahin24
    +1
    The rights of detainment in the war on terror began under George W. Bush, and is no longer practiced. The drug war began under Ronald Reagan. Why is it that only now that Barack Obama has been elected and re-elected, is this groundswell of treasonous talk? Did President Obama add to this tyranny or do these self-proclaimed Patriots just have a problem with HIM?
  • Tennessean elijahin24 2012/11/26 18:41:12 (edited)
    Tennessean
    +1
    It has nothing to do with which party is in power because both of the major parties believe that bitg government is the answer to everything.

    Given the diversion between the red and blue states, where the population is compressed, there is a way to change the federal government without having to resort to secession.

    That method is spelled out in our Constitution and it is through the amendment process.

    According to our Constitution, it only takes the application from two thirds of the states to force Congress to call a convention for the purpose of amending the Constitution, only requires ratification by three-fourths of the states, with no concern to the population of any state, to make the amendment part of our constitution.

    It would seem that there are more that three-fourths of the states are red states, so the fact that a majority of people live in the blue states makes no difference in getting an amendment ratified and becoming a part of our constitution, which is the law of the land.

    In this respect, population does not enter into the amendment process, just the number of states that want it.
  • elijahin24 Tennessean 2012/11/26 22:45:21
    elijahin24
    +1
    Actually, 26 states and the District of Columbia voted to renew the President's contract. So I think your math is off about 3/4 of the states being red. But even if that were not the case, I find it very disturbing that you are willing to say "damn the majority of the people". Why is it that the will of the majority only matters to the Right, when it coincides with what the Right wants?
  • Tennessean elijahin24 2012/11/27 00:02:15
    Tennessean
    Because we arer not, and have never been a true democracy, but a Constitutional Republic, where the Constitution is the law of the land and protects the minority from the will of the majority.
  • elijahin24 Tennessean 2012/11/27 00:03:56
    elijahin24
    +1
    That's funny. When I say that to those who want to push your religion on me, I'm usually met with some BS claim that I'm not a true 'Murcan.
  • Tennessean elijahin24 2012/11/27 00:20:05
    Tennessean
    In this nation, under our constitution, we have the right to do anything we want as long as we do not infring upon the rights of others, and law to teh contrary are but the will of tyrants.

    The Constitution guaranteed us the right to practise our religion as we saw fit without government interference, and that includes telling others about our beliefs, you however do not have to listen.
  • elijahin24 Tennessean 2012/11/27 00:29:11
    elijahin24
    +1
    It does not include putting the Ten Commandments on courthouse lawns. It does not include adding "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. It does not include changing the national motto from the inclusive "E Pluribus Unum", to the divisive "In God we trust".
  • yabbada... elijahin24 2012/11/27 02:32:00
    yabbadabbadoo
    and you should be hanged
  • elijahin24 yabbada... 2012/11/27 03:38:22
    elijahin24
    +1
    Yes, secessionists seem to have no other response to people who call them traitors. Just violence. I sure hope you don't call yourself a patriot. You are a traitor to your country. Bring your noose, if you think you've got what it takes. I'll bring my M-4 and every soldier your president mobilizes to crush you like the pathetic insect that you are.
  • yabbada... elijahin24 2012/11/27 04:22:09
    yabbadabbadoo
    its people like you who made America the worlds top jailer
  • elijahin24 yabbada... 2012/11/27 04:29:15
    elijahin24
    +1
    It's people like you who caused the civil war.
  • yabbada... elijahin24 2012/11/27 09:58:58
    yabbadabbadoo
    maybe but it was also people like me who fought against England for our freedom....if it wasnt for people like me there may not be an America to speak of
  • elijahin24 yabbada... 2012/11/27 13:00:12
    elijahin24
    +1
    Barack Obama is not King George. You are not being oppressed. You are not being over-taxed, and denied representation in government. You guys on the right with your three-corner hats, seem to think it's still 1776. It's not. You are not patriots. You are traitors. Nothing more.
  • yabbada... elijahin24 2012/11/27 21:49:26
    yabbadabbadoo
    this country is over taxed and oppressed....you think youre some patriot because you stand by the corrupted crooked tyrannical government? lol ...get a clue in that empty little head of yours buddy
  • elijahin24 yabbada... 2012/11/27 21:54:50
  • yabbada... elijahin24 2012/11/27 22:07:03
    yabbadabbadoo
    youre talking about EXTREMES with uganda and Iran, i wouldnt talk about corruption when you voted for corrupted Obama, if the forefathers were here people like Bush and Obama probably wouldnt be breathing right now, i am not nor have ever been a Bush supporter, & the only real tea party people out there are Ron Paul supporters
  • elijahin24 yabbada... 2012/11/28 00:17:27
    elijahin24
    +1
    And they are overwhelmingly ignorant, and or treasonous. As demonstrated by the current conversation.
  • Prettie... elijahin24 2012/12/02 01:45:31
    PrettieReptar
    "You guys on the right with your three-corner hats, seem to think it's still 1776. It's not. You are not patriots. You are traitors. Nothing more."

    You guys on the right? So, are you suggesting that its only individuals on the right who advocate secession? You're full of it.
  • elijahin24 Prettie... 2012/12/02 01:56:05
    elijahin24
    Right now it is. If anyone on the left has, they are traitors too.
  • Prettie... elijahin24 2012/12/02 01:58:01
    PrettieReptar
    Oh so, right now is all that counts? How convenient.
  • elijahin24 Prettie... 2012/12/02 02:18:49
    elijahin24
    Right now is what we're talking about. When Bush was president, a VERY few on the left probably did talk about it, but it wasn't NEARLY as large or as organized a movement as it is today, from the Right.
    Still, those who DID want to secede from the Left, are indeed traitors.
  • Prettie... elijahin24 2012/12/02 02:23:00
    PrettieReptar
    What difference does it make how many there are?
  • elijahin24 Prettie... 2012/12/02 02:27:19
    elijahin24
    The urgency of shutting them down, is much greater with a large and organized movement. What do you want from me. I gave you what you wanted. YES all who betray their country are traitors. I was not aware of anyone saying that, but if they did (and i don't doubt that there were at least a few), they were, indeed traitors. Done.
  • Prettie... elijahin24 2012/12/02 02:33:01
    PrettieReptar
    That's what I thought. A pointless point.
  • elijahin24 Prettie... 2012/12/02 03:06:25
    elijahin24
    What exactly would you like? I answered your question. Do you consider the people of the Confederate States of America, during the Civil War to be patriots?
  • Prettie... elijahin24 2012/12/02 03:18:56
    PrettieReptar
    Confederates fought for the Confederate States of America. So the answer is yes, because the definition of patriot is someone who loves, supports and defends their country.
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