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Ron Paul going to convention. What will he do there?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/05/09 00:12:55
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Last weekend, Ron Paul captured
most of the delegates at the State convention. His supporters knew the
rules; most others did not. The Ron Paul delegate strategy has always
been to force Republican Party regulars to follow their own rules.


The national Party seemed ready to break those rules in Nevada. Last week, the lead counsel for the RNC sent a threatening letter
to the Nevada Republican chairman. His message: let Mitt Romney “vet”
delegates “bound” to him, or else. Nevada Republicans chose “else.”
Twenty-two of the twenty-eight delegates they chose are loyal to Ron
Paul. (From the Associated Press.)
Twenty of them must vote for Mitt Romney on the first ballot. But if
Mitt Romney does not win on that ballot, those delegates may vote for
whom they please.


Charges of “dirty tricks” are rife from Nevada. Joel McDurmon at American Vision News sums up. (Play this video: very interesting dialog.)

Ron Paul has 94 delegates; Mitt Romney has about 856. Mainstream
reporters still expect Mitt Romney to have the 1,144 delegates he needs
to win on the first ballot. But Ron Paul will not stop. He expects to capture more delegates in Washington State. Remarkably, the regular Washington Republican chairman welcomes the idea.


I’d be disappointed if there wasn’t, I don’t want to have a boring convention.


Yet Tierney Sneed of US News and World Report suggested that
Ron Paul should drop out of the race. Commenters on that page
vociferously disagreed. At last report, voters in the poll
overwhelmingly voted “No!”


Minnesota, Louisiana, Missouri, and Iowa must still hold their State conventions. Ron Paul already has good positions in all four States.



Almost certainly, Ron Paul will win the right to have someone nominate him for the top of the ticket. The rules say that any candidate with pluralities of delegates in 5 or more States has that right.


The question now is: what can Ron Paul do next? Only two
candidates will have people introducing them: Ron Paul and Mitt Romney.
Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich have both suspended their campaigns.
Whether that’s the same as withdrawing and releasing their delegates,
the rules do not make clear. Rick Santorum seems to have given his
delegates to Mitt Romney. But Newt Gingrich has not made that clear yet.


Can Ron Paul supporting delegates, though bound to vote for Mitt
Romney, vote for Ron Paul anyway? Not on the first ballot; the rules
won’t let them. Can they abstain from voting on the first ballot? That also depends on whom you ask. Even the Ron Paul campaign does not seem to know. At best, State Party rules govern that. Some States let delegates abstain. Most don’t.


But those rules say nothing about how delegates must vote during the
platform debate. More to the point, Mitt Romney knows that he cannot
anger either the delegates or the people they represent. So he probably
will not contest any delegate slots, as the RNC lawyer said he
might. Instead he will try to negotiate with Ron Paul; with what result,
none can say.

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  • DDogbreath 2012/05/09 06:42:31
    Take the nomination on the second or third ballot.
    DDogbreath
    +13
    Romney needs to debate Paul on the issues and their respective solutions. The true leader will be so obvious. We don't need another "puppet of the banker's" in the white house.

    issues respective solutions true leader obvious puppet bankers white house

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  • Classical Liberal 2012/05/13 03:34:33
    Take the nomination on the second or third ballot.
    Classical Liberal
    +2
    we can only hope.
  • nverumind 2012/05/12 21:17:53
    Take the nomination on the second or third ballot.
    nverumind
    +4
    President PAUL 2012
  • Arizona1950 2012/05/12 20:59:38
    None of the above
    Arizona1950
    +2
    I think he is very likely going to win the Primary. He has won the majority of delegates in 11 states ... In MA he won 20 out of the 23 so this alone tells me he has far more than just 94 delegate votes that you wrote before. It's very likely he has more than Romney but we won't hear this any time soon from the government-controlled Lame Stream Media.
  • frank 2012/05/12 20:21:36
    None of the above
    frank
    He is going so he can party with the rest of them.
  • ☮ Ron ☮ Paul ☮ 2012! ☮ 2012/05/12 20:13:08
    None of the above
    ☮ Ron ☮ Paul ☮ 2012! ☮
    +5
    Ron Paul is going to win the GOP nomination and then beat Obama in November. That's my prediction. :)
  • William 2012/05/09 23:03:10
    Take the nomination on the second or third ballot.
    William
    +2
    A possibility.
  • GUAPO 2012/05/09 16:46:54
    None of the above
    GUAPO
    He is going to sell churros. lols

    sell churros lols
  • Thor American EXPAT n New G... 2012/05/09 15:38:13
    None of the above
    Thor American EXPAT n New Guinea
    Wait tables waiter
  • U-Dog 2012/05/09 10:31:05
    Undecided
    U-Dog
    +5
    In a best case scenario OvoMitt will drop out over getting caught with his pants down at a bestiality club and embezzling campaign funds to buy the chimps silence. Barring that I simply hope that Ron Paul makes the most of his opportunities, makes a good showing and continues to get his message of Liberty out.

    Ron Paul has planted lots of seeds in the minds of our youth and I would not be a bit surprised to see the Republican Party fading fast as a political force over the next decade if their hypocritical leaders continue to spout cheap rhetoric about Liberty while supporting progressively insane and destructive crony-cap policies which are fundamentally no different than the lefts.
  • Yankee Traveler 2012/05/09 09:35:23
    None of the above
    Yankee Traveler
    +2
    The Paulies think that they can take away the vote of the people!!! Well in this state they are under investigation for the tactics used to upset the GOP convention!! Just another group of progressives that think that they can just throw out the will of the people, throw out the vote of choice of the people!
  • KCurtis Yankee ... 2012/05/09 10:51:05
    KCurtis
    +3
    Totally agree Hollywood...
  • nverumind Yankee ... 2012/05/12 21:13:01
    nverumind
    +4
    yep cause that is what the rp movement is about. screwing people out of their votes.. pure and simple Ignorance to the max. RP is being ignored, belittled, and lied about because hes Actually qualified, Actually dedicated to our constitution (WHICH every president is SUPPOSED to be), And is for The Actual rights and liberties of America. GEESH kinda makes you wonder when the hell americans stoped being american! and simply conformed to the idea that compliance and corrupt leaders was the desired Norm.
  • DDogbreath 2012/05/09 06:42:31
    Take the nomination on the second or third ballot.
    DDogbreath
    +13
    Romney needs to debate Paul on the issues and their respective solutions. The true leader will be so obvious. We don't need another "puppet of the banker's" in the white house.

    issues respective solutions true leader obvious puppet bankers white house
  • FeedFwd DDogbreath 2012/05/09 15:12:06
    FeedFwd
    You say that because it seems obvious to you. But they have debated on stage numerous times, and while they couldn't control the questions they received, Paul was not successful. Whether he was right or not, you have to admit, he was not persuasive to most voters. Why do you think a future debate will be any different?
  • DDogbreath FeedFwd 2012/05/10 05:31:09
    DDogbreath
    +6
    Because it will be a one on one debate. "Paul was not successful." You say. You must have missed most of the debates. He was convincing most voters. If Ron Paul wasn't successful why did he win every debate according to on line polls?

    That's why when Romney campaigns, he has a very low turnout of supporters. When Paul speaks people turn out in droves. The truth is refreshing to hear from a politician. His message of sound money and liberty speaks volumes over Romney's empty rhetoric.



    If the Republican party expects to survive they need a new young voter base. Ron Paul brings them, Romney doesn't.
  • FeedFwd DDogbreath 2012/05/10 16:51:26
    FeedFwd
    +1
    Winning online polls is one thing. Winning actual elections where people actually get out and go to a polling booth is another. I'm not saying he isn't the best candidate. But following every debate, he failed to win a single election. Either the debates weren't viewed by most voters, or they weren't valued by most voters, or the participation in online polls was skewed. You and I both know that Ron Paul voters tend to be more internet savvy and more politically engaged. But you and I both know that they are a minority of voters who vote in Republican primary elections. You and I can try and should try to change it, but don't fool yourself. The vast majority of American voters want more government than we do. A lot more!
  • Temlako... FeedFwd 2012/05/10 21:48:16
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Well, if he does pull off this upset--and I'll be first to obeerve that it would be just that--then he might be a much larger draw than any of us can imagine.
  • FeedFwd Temlako... 2012/05/11 15:10:01
    FeedFwd
    +4
    You may be right.

    Illusion
  • DDogbreath FeedFwd 2012/05/12 08:56:19
    DDogbreath
    +3
    There you go with the same tired ass "anti Ron Paul" nonsense. He was elected to congress 12 times. So don't include me in your "you and I" nonsense.

    How could internet votes be skewed? I am a die hard Ron Paul supporter since 1986. You only get one vote from your computer. Do you think that a few Ron Paul supporters go from computer to computer to vote for him on these polls? Well guess what, it doesn't happen. Some of us actually 'have lives".

    The only reason he has not gotten OVERWHELMING primary voting results is Independent voters are sadly "left out" of the primary voting process in most states.
  • Temlako... DDogbreath 2012/05/12 11:30:45
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    Actually, "you get one vote per computer" IF the polling server does the "cookie" thing, matches all votes to IP, etc. Even then, a good spoofer or proxy user can "game" it, though I daresay most people won't go to that kind of trouble.

    What the other user was actually talking about, was the difference between sitting at your console and clicking a radio button and an action button, and getting into your car (or on the bus), driving (or riding) to a polling place, getting out (off), walking up to a door, pushing it in, walking a few steps to a table with some elderly ladies seated at it, signing your name (twice), getting the paper chit to carry, standing in line, and then walking into a curtained booth, punching some buttons, and slapping the big red button labeled CAST VOTE. (I assume that your polling place has by now stopped using the century-old Print-O-Matic machines that I trained on in my days as an election inspector.)
  • FeedFwd Temlako... 2012/05/14 18:06:21
    FeedFwd
    Correct, and also the observation that even today, most actual voters are old blue hairs that don't engage politics on the Internet and still rely on one of the 3 original major networks, or possibly FOX for their political news. If that wasn't true, there wouldn't be so much fund raising for political advertising on TV.
  • FeedFwd DDogbreath 2012/05/14 18:02:55
    FeedFwd
    You seem to ignore the fact that I am a Ron Paul supporter. I am NOT, however, living in fantasy-land. I love the New Orleans Saints (bounty-gate and all), but I won't bet on them winning the super bowl this far in advance and at anytime if they are a prohibitive favorite not to make it according to odds-makers who depend on being right to make a living. There is a difference between rational and emotional thought. No matter how much I may want Ron Paul to win, wanting it to be so is not going to make it be so. Right now, he is a long shot at best. You ought to be a realist and work from that point. I don't have a problem with cheer leading, supporting, or working for a Ron Paul victory. But I'm not going to live in delusion, either. Truth is that most voters probably only rarely get on the INTERNET and then it is to search for porn or cooking recipes or face book with their old high school friends. Internet polls don't necessarily allow "cheating", but they don't likely have a representative sample of probably voters, either. They are the opposite end of the spectrum from those polls everybody hates that are of all registered voters. We know there are a lot of registered voters who will never vote. Again, whether Ron Paul can accumulate enough delegates to win a second ballot...



    You seem to ignore the fact that I am a Ron Paul supporter. I am NOT, however, living in fantasy-land. I love the New Orleans Saints (bounty-gate and all), but I won't bet on them winning the super bowl this far in advance and at anytime if they are a prohibitive favorite not to make it according to odds-makers who depend on being right to make a living. There is a difference between rational and emotional thought. No matter how much I may want Ron Paul to win, wanting it to be so is not going to make it be so. Right now, he is a long shot at best. You ought to be a realist and work from that point. I don't have a problem with cheer leading, supporting, or working for a Ron Paul victory. But I'm not going to live in delusion, either. Truth is that most voters probably only rarely get on the INTERNET and then it is to search for porn or cooking recipes or face book with their old high school friends. Internet polls don't necessarily allow "cheating", but they don't likely have a representative sample of probably voters, either. They are the opposite end of the spectrum from those polls everybody hates that are of all registered voters. We know there are a lot of registered voters who will never vote. Again, whether Ron Paul can accumulate enough delegates to win a second ballot and whether Romney will fail to get enough ballots to secure an uncontested nomination on the first ballot is yet to be seen.

    And I have another belief. A third party candidate will not win enough votes to win election as president. There are simply too many people today who vote R or D and there are not enough thinking, engaged voters who will do the research or even be exposed to a 3rd party candidate to allow them to win. Ron has said he won't run as a 3rd party this time around and I take him at his word.

    In this case, I am only the messenger, so don't shoot me. I'd like to see RP win. I don't live in his district, but I live in an adjoining one and I frequently work in his district. I have followed him for a while and voted for him in the last primary. So get over yourself.
    (more)
  • ConLibF... FeedFwd 2012/05/12 23:03:45
    ConLibFraud
    Why don`t you take off those tainted glassed you have been programmed to view the world with. Why don`t you tell us what ORomney will do to change anything and stop the coming financial collapse.
  • FeedFwd ConLibF... 2012/05/14 18:18:31
    FeedFwd
    Dude... Buy a clue! I'm not saying Romney is good or bad or better or worse than anybody. I am saying I find it unlikely, almost inconceivable that he will be on a ballot in the presidential race in November. If he is the republican nominee, I will be pleasantly surprised. If he runs as a third party, I will be shocked.

    Romney has actually talked the talk as Ann Coulter has noted and I linked previously. I cannot say whether he will walk the walk. And Ron Paul, like any other president has only the power to say no. He has the bully pulpit to encourage good legislation, but it will be up to Congress to pass it or he can do nothing, either, short of passing executive orders. And we know that is not the way the government was intended to be run, so I have my doubts about how extensively he would use EO's.

    What Romney did as governor cannot be looked at in a vacuum. We can criticize or disagree with what he did, but he wasn't exactly in a libertarian state and the states ought to be making crucial decisions independently of the federal government. He did balance the budget in MA and he did well managing the Olympics, Bain Capital and such that he obviously grasps the idea of basic finances. That alone will be an improvement over what we have today.

    Wake up and stop trying to alienate those you need if you even hope to see RP get elected.
  • ConLibF... FeedFwd 2012/05/14 20:05:31
    ConLibFraud
    I stopped after your reference to Ann Coulter. She is just another puppet who plays the right side of the coin. You really have let them suck you in.
  • FeedFwd ConLibF... 2012/05/14 20:47:48
    FeedFwd
    Fine. She is a source. She does research. Mark Levin, another conservative with more libertarian leanings, takes her to task. But she makes points based on facts that can't be swept under the rug. Simply ignoring everybody who has a differing opinion without at least hearing it out and considering its merits or lack thereof is exactly why nobody wants to debate with liberals and why Ron Paul supporters have gained such a poor reputation that they are harming the cause more than helping. You might consider where you stand in the help vs hurt equation. Squelching debate never helps, IMHO. It has taken 100 years to get where we are today. No matter who gets elected, even Ron Paul, we cannot get back to pure liberty and eliminate things like the Fed and income tax overnight, or even in one presidential term. We can at best begin to turn the ship of state. There is more awareness than ever, but I do not believe most people are yet aware of where we are. Give'em a six-pack and a couch to watch TV and they will be happy... Dancing with the stars for the ladies, sports for the men, and MTV for the kids... or some approximation.
  • Arizona... DDogbreath 2012/05/12 21:01:08
    Arizona1950
    +3
    Romney refused to respond to the invitation.
  • DDogbreath Arizona... 2012/05/12 21:06:57
    DDogbreath
    +3
    You mean Romney "pussies out" just like he did when he was drafted to serve in the Vietnam war?

  • Arizona... DDogbreath 2012/05/12 21:14:19 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    +3
    Yep ... one of the reasons may be because he's running on the premise that he's a great businessman and was a great governor. Guess he doens't want people to know that he hires people to make his financial decisions for him and left MA as a 1-term failed governor with a 36% approval rate.

  • DDogbreath Arizona... 2012/05/12 21:43:59 (edited)
    DDogbreath
    +1
    There are far too many of these in this country.

  • Arizona... DDogbreath 2012/05/12 21:48:29
    Arizona1950
    +2
    That 'bout says (or should I say sings) it all.

    First time I"ve seen this one ... pass it around if you can. :-)

  • Theresa 2012/05/09 02:46:33
    Take the nomination on the second or third ballot.
    Theresa
    +3
    On the best case scenario he wins the nomination. On the worse Romney is prevented in getting the nomination and a dark horse is nominated. Any one object if Allen West gets drafted?
  • Temlako... Theresa 2012/05/09 18:20:49
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Not at all. Or how about, not a dark HORSE, but a dark MARE?

    That is to say, Sarah Palin.
  • Theresa Temlako... 2012/05/09 18:33:19
    Theresa
    +3
    She would be the Democrats first choice. She has already been slandered in the press and the people who do not know better would assume to hate her. So No I doubt she would be the choice. I do think Allen West would be the best alternative. The Race card could not be played. Those who would want to vote for a Black man could do so easily. His integrity is beyond approach. This background is spotless. So he would be the Democrats worst nightmare. Most all their cards and tricks would not work.
  • Temlako... Theresa 2012/05/09 18:35:36
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    Well, you have a point. Allen West is the gunny sergeant of conservative politics.

    YOU GOT THAT?

    UNDERSTAND?

    YES, SIR!
  • Theresa Temlako... 2012/05/09 18:37:03
    Theresa
    +1
    If the choice became between Rotten Romney and Sara cuda Sarah would win, Problem is they would both lose in the contest with the Usurper!
  • Temlako... Theresa 2012/05/09 21:31:34
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Actually, I think this time Sarah would have a very simple message:

    "See? I told you so!"
  • DDogbreath Theresa 2012/05/16 07:03:20
    DDogbreath
    +1
    He would be an asset to the military-industrial complex.
  • Denny 2012/05/09 02:24:14
    None of the above
    Denny
    +2
    Pass out programs
  • betz Denny 2012/05/09 12:09:38

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