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Ron Paul delegates revolt. Win or lose?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/17 01:32:03
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Most of those who turned out to vote in Republican primaries, voted
for Mitt Romney. So as most people understood the rules, Mitt Romney
would win most of the delegates to the Republican National Convention.
In theory, each State’s rules bind delegates to vote for a
particular candidate on the first ballot. After that first ballot, any
delegate may vote as he or she wishes.

But Ron Paul’s supporters knew better. State conventions choose actual delegates by vote of whoever shows up. So Ron Paul loyalists would show up at State conventions and vote for their friends as delegates.


According to a new lawsuit, Republican national officials wouldn’t stand for that. Neither would Mitt Romney’s people.


CNAV reported earlier
when a Republican official threatened the Nevada State chairman: Choose
Romney loyalists, or lose all your votes. The Nevada State convention
chose Ron Paul delegates anyway. But the threats did not stop there.


Plaintiffs allege that in almost every state in the
United States Defendants engaged in a scheme to intimidate and harass
Delegates who were supporting a Candidate that Defendants did not
approve of. This harassment included the use of violence, intimidating
demands that Delegates sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the
threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial
penalties and fines if the Delegate fails to vote as instructed by
Defendants rather than vote the Delegate’s conscience as mandated by the
US Statutes and US Supreme Court Decisions cited.


That “Candidate” is, of course, Ron Paul. The “violence” includes fisticuffs at some State conventions.


Courthouse News Service first reported on Wednesday when 123 delegates sued the RNC. Yesterday, 40 more delegates added their names to the suit. Drew Zahn at WND picked up the story also.


In addition to the fisticuffs and the affidavits, the suit also
mentions episodes in which State Republican officers changed the rules
at the last minute. Some States in fact have two sets of delegates,
after frustrated Ron Paul supporters gathered outside the meeting halls
to choose their own delegates.


Richard Gilbert, of Gilbert and Marlowe, represents the delegates. He
told Courthouse News Service that some Republican officials were acting
like gangsters.

Gangsters or no, Gilbert has some relevant federal law on his side:


  • 11 CFR IOO.2(e). It says that a Party caucus or convention is an election if it nominates candidates for federal office.
  • 42 USC 1971. It says
    that anyone who intimidates someone to get him to vote for or against a
    candidate for President, is civilly liable. It also says that federal
    district courts have jurisdiction in such cases.

Gilbert also cited Republican Party Rule 11. That rule forbids the national Party to help any candidate until the national convention nominates that candidate. Then there's Rule 38, that says that the national Party does not recognize "binding" of delegates.


The delegates want the Court to:


  1. Say officially that no rule can bind a delegate, and any delegate may vote as he pleases, on any ballot,
  2. Order that the RNC tell every delegate that in writing,
  3. Order all State conventions to keep all records of votes and rule changes, and
  4. Wherever necessary, order hand recounts or even that State parties re-convene to choose delegates.

WND's Zahn suggested that if the Court finds for the plaintiffs, it will unbind all
delegates. That could prompt ambitious people to sway the delegates,
either at the convention or before they go to it. Sarah Palin is one
such person. At least one activist has told CNAV that he would like to see the Republican Party nominate Sarah Palin as a “dark horse” (or, to be correct, dark mare) candidate.

What say you all? Will they win or lose?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/17 01:33:19
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    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +22
    I looked long and hard at that lawsuit, and at the case, statutory, and regulatory citations. I have to say they've got the law on their side. And then, anything can happen.

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  • irish -... Boblawbla 2012/06/18 18:03:51
    irish -liberty or death!
    +1
    isn't it??LOL
  • Callaway 2012/06/18 03:07:44
    Undecided
    Callaway
    +1
    One could only hope that when really thinking it through and of the alternative and the past nearly 4 years fresh in their minds they would not be set in concrete. We know what we have now, nothing could be worse other than another four years of this current crap sandwich.
  • holly go lightly 2012/06/18 00:07:34
    Win
    holly go lightly
    +6
    I say they should and will win.RNC has gone too far.Even if they don't win.............the RNC is just out of control,not to mention nasty!;(
  • Al B Thayer 2012/06/17 23:45:24
    Undecided
    Al B Thayer
    +2
    They have a good case....but it's only good for Ron Paul. My concern for Paul supporters is that they would also desire what is good for the country.

    Do they want only to win or do they want the country to be saved?

    If they hold fast to their ideals and it becomes another Perot vote in history, responsable for costing Romney the election.They will never get the support they need to put a Libtarian in the White House. Thier cause will die to be sure.
  • RageFury Al B Th... 2012/06/18 00:52:43
    RageFury
    +3
    Wait a sec, if we hold fast to our Ideals and Ron Paul does win the REPUBLICAN nomination, how exactly does this become another Perot vote again?
  • Al B Th... RageFury 2012/06/18 02:14:05
    Al B Thayer
    +3
    He's not going to get the nom. He's never going to win. If you all write in Paul you will become the Perot vote and Barry will win.

    What is with you Paul Bots?
  • RageFury Al B Th... 2012/06/18 04:49:07
    RageFury
    +4
    Us "Paul Bots" as you put it, warned you GOP "More of the Same" Establishment folk long ago that No one but Paul was acceptable to us. We will no longer bend knee to Big Government, Big Spending shills...
    If Barry wins, it is on YOUR heads, not ours...
  • Al B Th... RageFury 2012/06/18 05:21:43
    Al B Thayer
    +2
    And your surprised we did not heed the call of the village idiot?
  • RageFury Al B Th... 2012/06/18 05:29:29
    RageFury
    +3
    You are the people crying about a Perot vote... Village Idiot indeed...
  • teigan Al B Th... 2012/06/20 01:03:43
    teigan
    Country does not coming first with Paulies. Ron Paul has an ego like Obama. Running on a Republican ticket makes Ron a fraud, he should be honest and run on what he is, a Libertarian.
  • Al B Th... RageFury 2012/06/18 05:26:24
    Al B Thayer
    +3
    BTW Ron Paul is not a Republican.
  • RageFury Al B Th... 2012/06/18 05:31:50
    RageFury
    +5
    ROFL that's cool, doesn't matter his personal philosophy, he is in fact a publicly registered Republican. In case you missed it The R does mean Republican.
  • teigan Al B Th... 2012/06/20 01:04:42
    teigan
    No he's a fraud.
  • voice_m... Al B Th... 2012/06/18 03:01:50
    voice_matters
    another fine thread from the libs. can you please tell me why ron paul is unable top accept he lost?
  • Al B Th... voice_m... 2012/06/18 05:24:50
    Al B Thayer
    +1
    I wouldn't know. I think Ron Paul is an idiot.
  • CMackle... Al B Th... 2012/06/18 23:15:59
    CMackley ~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Yep, an arrogant idiot.
  • RageFury 2012/06/17 23:18:05 (edited)
    Win
    RageFury
    +7
    Hope he does win and proves the Left wing Media and the GOP folk who decided to follow Romney based on it, wrong.
  • stormy rae 2012/06/17 23:05:13
    Win
    stormy rae
    +8
    the revolution is comin to your backyard, get on the damn train when it departs again, cuz its either the ron paul revolution that will be fired without a single shot, or the next american civil war, followed by a revolution, and there will not be many to survive
  • Herb 2012/06/17 22:12:39
    Lose
    Herb
    +3
    the courts and delegates will vote romeny sorry paul bots even if unbound you guys loss in the end.
  • DeeB Herb 2012/06/17 23:51:26
    DeeB
    +7
    At the very least we would lose fairly, do you have a problem with that? You don't like it when Acorn steals votes now do you? All anyone is asking for is fainess, not all the rule changes and everything else they did to cheat. If he's such a winner, why all the shenanigans??? You should be voting for freedom and not the NDAA and patriot act anyway. I won't like you anymore if he does win, I don't like anyone messing with my freedoms.
  • Herb DeeB 2012/06/17 23:59:04 (edited)
    Herb
    +1
    i like everyone baby,i give everyone a voice I idon't block anyone. people have blocked me because i have said the truth about their relligion or had more knowledge then them on a subject and didn't want to debate. i just think its going to be romeny in the end i watch politics for to many years. lets hope romeny does what he says and gets rid of the ndaa and obama care. oh and i like you to.
  • DeeB Herb 2012/06/18 00:32:03
    DeeB
    +5
    Well that is where you are wrong though. He is for the NDAA and the patriot act and the drones, he is just a continuation of BushBama. It's all on video, if you don't believe me. He was chosen by the corrupt NWO people.
  • Herb DeeB 2012/06/18 00:38:09 (edited)
    Herb
    i agree but what can you do the bible says its coming it just when and where.
    oh like you very much, but sorry dont seeing paul winning this round maybe next.
  • DeeB Herb 2012/06/18 00:44:55
    DeeB
    +5
    LOL! He is quitting, this is the last chance to save our republic. I think God is trusting you to make the right choice and oppression is not the right one. But you have to live with yourself.
  • DDogbreath Herb 2012/06/18 00:55:07 (edited)
    DDogbreath
    +3
    WOW you have faith the judicial system will align themselves with a "draft dodger" just like the neo-con's are? They better watch out for that bolt of lightening...

    wow faith judicial align draft dodger neo-cons watch bolt lightening
  • DeeB 2012/06/17 21:46:45
    Win
    DeeB
    +10
    Sounds to me like they have a very good case. Good for the delegates. What the neocons don't get is that delegates supporting other candidates are also involved in this, not just Ron Paul. So get over yourselves and fight fair.
  • ConLibF... DeeB 2012/06/17 22:00:48
    ConLibFraud
    +5
    It is apparent the neocons are OK with the Acorn voter fraud since they are OK with the GOP/ORomney thuggery.
  • DeeB ConLibF... 2012/06/17 22:50:01
    DeeB
    +5
    Weren' they complaining all over the place? What's good for the goose!
  • ConLibF... DeeB 2012/06/17 22:54:49
    ConLibFraud
    +4
    And yet they think they are better than liberals.
  • DeeB ConLibF... 2012/06/17 23:44:18
    DeeB
    +4
    I know! That's what they get for thinking!
  • ConLibF... DeeB 2012/06/17 23:57:11
    ConLibFraud
    +4
    Wait, my bad! They don't think!
  • DeeB ConLibF... 2012/06/18 00:32:58
    DeeB
    +3
    There ya go!
  • holly g... ConLibF... 2012/06/18 00:16:05
    holly go lightly
    +4
    LOLnow that is amusing.
  • ConLibF... holly g... 2012/06/18 00:30:25 (edited)
    ConLibFraud
    +3
    :) How you doing?
  • holly g... ConLibF... 2012/06/18 00:52:28
    holly go lightly
    +3
    I"m good but sure am tired.I need a few days away from this key board.Glad to see you all still sticking to it.
    Thanx for asking.
  • ConLibF... holly g... 2012/06/18 01:06:53
    ConLibFraud
    +4
    Always good to see you friend.
  • holly g... ConLibF... 2012/06/18 16:31:22
    holly go lightly
    +2
    Likewise.
  • holly g... ConLibF... 2012/06/18 00:15:18
    holly go lightly
    +4
    Couldn't be any other way could it.
  • ConLibF... holly g... 2012/06/18 00:31:04
    ConLibFraud
    +3
    I don't think so!
  • CMackle... ConLibF... 2012/06/18 23:19:49
    CMackley ~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    Thuggery is a small minority of voters trying to pull the nomination from under the feet of the vast majority, which is exactly what Paul is doing.

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