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Ron Paul delegates revolt. Win or lose?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/17 01:32:03
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Most of those who turned out to vote in Republican primaries, voted
for Mitt Romney. So as most people understood the rules, Mitt Romney
would win most of the delegates to the Republican National Convention.
In theory, each State’s rules bind delegates to vote for a
particular candidate on the first ballot. After that first ballot, any
delegate may vote as he or she wishes.

But Ron Paul’s supporters knew better. State conventions choose actual delegates by vote of whoever shows up. So Ron Paul loyalists would show up at State conventions and vote for their friends as delegates.


According to a new lawsuit, Republican national officials wouldn’t stand for that. Neither would Mitt Romney’s people.


CNAV reported earlier
when a Republican official threatened the Nevada State chairman: Choose
Romney loyalists, or lose all your votes. The Nevada State convention
chose Ron Paul delegates anyway. But the threats did not stop there.


Plaintiffs allege that in almost every state in the
United States Defendants engaged in a scheme to intimidate and harass
Delegates who were supporting a Candidate that Defendants did not
approve of. This harassment included the use of violence, intimidating
demands that Delegates sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the
threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial
penalties and fines if the Delegate fails to vote as instructed by
Defendants rather than vote the Delegate’s conscience as mandated by the
US Statutes and US Supreme Court Decisions cited.


That “Candidate” is, of course, Ron Paul. The “violence” includes fisticuffs at some State conventions.


Courthouse News Service first reported on Wednesday when 123 delegates sued the RNC. Yesterday, 40 more delegates added their names to the suit. Drew Zahn at WND picked up the story also.


In addition to the fisticuffs and the affidavits, the suit also
mentions episodes in which State Republican officers changed the rules
at the last minute. Some States in fact have two sets of delegates,
after frustrated Ron Paul supporters gathered outside the meeting halls
to choose their own delegates.


Richard Gilbert, of Gilbert and Marlowe, represents the delegates. He
told Courthouse News Service that some Republican officials were acting
like gangsters.

Gangsters or no, Gilbert has some relevant federal law on his side:


  • 11 CFR IOO.2(e). It says that a Party caucus or convention is an election if it nominates candidates for federal office.
  • 42 USC 1971. It says
    that anyone who intimidates someone to get him to vote for or against a
    candidate for President, is civilly liable. It also says that federal
    district courts have jurisdiction in such cases.

Gilbert also cited Republican Party Rule 11. That rule forbids the national Party to help any candidate until the national convention nominates that candidate. Then there's Rule 38, that says that the national Party does not recognize "binding" of delegates.


The delegates want the Court to:


  1. Say officially that no rule can bind a delegate, and any delegate may vote as he pleases, on any ballot,
  2. Order that the RNC tell every delegate that in writing,
  3. Order all State conventions to keep all records of votes and rule changes, and
  4. Wherever necessary, order hand recounts or even that State parties re-convene to choose delegates.

WND's Zahn suggested that if the Court finds for the plaintiffs, it will unbind all
delegates. That could prompt ambitious people to sway the delegates,
either at the convention or before they go to it. Sarah Palin is one
such person. At least one activist has told CNAV that he would like to see the Republican Party nominate Sarah Palin as a “dark horse” (or, to be correct, dark mare) candidate.

What say you all? Will they win or lose?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/17 01:33:19
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    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
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    I looked long and hard at that lawsuit, and at the case, statutory, and regulatory citations. I have to say they've got the law on their side. And then, anything can happen.

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  • Seeker62 2012/06/19 20:13:38
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    Seeker62
    +1
    Of course they will win. As soon as their case is called up about two years or so from now. Of course by then this election will be history and the RNC will have changed all the rules rendering the court decision moot.
  • bettyboop 2012/06/19 00:48:31
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    bettyboop
    +2
    Sounds like our government. They never seem to disappoint me, as my opinion of them is already in the gutter.
  • CMackley ~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/18 23:11:43
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    CMackley ~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    Trying to steal an election by nominating someone the vast majority of the country doesn't want makes Paul supporters no better than the far left minority that wants to force their will upon the majority. Any Paul supporter who is in favor of this is no more a Libertarian than Obama.
  • Seeker62 CMackle... 2012/06/19 19:55:20
    Seeker62
    +1
    Steal? You fail to mention how going to one's local precinct and voting for someone as a delegate constitutes stealing. If anyone is stealing an election it is those in power who have told voters that they cannot vote a particular way even if that's what the voter's conscience dictates. That is criminal.
  • Jericho 2012/06/18 20:48:19
    Win
    Jericho
    +2
    I voted for my hope! Yes, the law is on their side, but all too often we have seen this manipulation of the law every time. Only before, the people that went as delegates were maby pamby and did not stand up for themselves or their rights. Also, I disagree with the first sentence. We don't know who most people would have voted for because we know for sure that the first primaries were rigged to show that Romney was the clear frontrunner, when we all know that he was not. Ron Paul won Iowa and Maine as well as had a tie or more delegates in New Hampsire, Minnesota, Missouri and God only knows where else. The majority of people voted the way everything was rigged for it to go, and we all know that if this was reported fairly and tallied correctly from the very beginning, we do not know who the majority of people would have voted for so all delegates need to be unbound because the vote is untrustworthy.
  • nverumind 2012/06/18 19:47:06
    Win
    nverumind
    +2
    Blatant crimes commited by the RNC and GOP need to be addressed ! AND i hope that those crimes are punished and those involved are removed from their positions, it is surely going to be an interesting ride non-the-less.
    And if we lose, future electorate process events will be pointless if this level of corruption is allowed and ignored due to violations to civil rights and voting rights being pushed aside to aquire a so called "desired" results.
  • Jeri 2012/06/18 19:23:37
    Undecided
    Jeri
    +3
    What is really bothering me is that Ron Pauls ego is so big he is not speaking out in what is best for America right now, that a so many of his followers are just not going to vote or are going to go ahead and vote for Obama is just WRONG !!!!
  • Seeker62 Jeri 2012/06/19 20:10:28
    Seeker62
    +2
    What I want:
    1.) Eliminate the Federal Reserve - Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    2.) Implement a flat tax with no exceptions and no exemptions. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    4.) Eliminate whole federal departments that are superfluous to state departments like Education, Energy, and etc. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    5.) Repeal unconstitutional acts like Obamacare, the Patriot Act, and Fisa. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    6.) End all foreign Aid to everybody until we can do it without having to borrow it. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    End all corporate welfare to everybody including oil companies, green energy companies and all the rest. Obama won't do ti. Will Romney? No.
    7.) Repeal the 17th Amendment so that state Senators have to campaign in all state districts instead of just the big population centers and so states have a say in what federal laws are passed. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    8.) Freeze federal spending at today's level and then reduce by one percent per year thereafter until the budget is balance (the penny plan). Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    Close the national borders shut NOW and figure out what to do with illegals that are already here later. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    9.) Privatize Social Security. Obama won't do it....

    What I want:
    1.) Eliminate the Federal Reserve - Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    2.) Implement a flat tax with no exceptions and no exemptions. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    4.) Eliminate whole federal departments that are superfluous to state departments like Education, Energy, and etc. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    5.) Repeal unconstitutional acts like Obamacare, the Patriot Act, and Fisa. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    6.) End all foreign Aid to everybody until we can do it without having to borrow it. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    End all corporate welfare to everybody including oil companies, green energy companies and all the rest. Obama won't do ti. Will Romney? No.
    7.) Repeal the 17th Amendment so that state Senators have to campaign in all state districts instead of just the big population centers and so states have a say in what federal laws are passed. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    8.) Freeze federal spending at today's level and then reduce by one percent per year thereafter until the budget is balance (the penny plan). Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    Close the national borders shut NOW and figure out what to do with illegals that are already here later. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    9.) Privatize Social Security. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    End the 3rd party payer system for Insurance Companies. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
    I'm Sorry please tell me again how Romney's policies are so vastly different than Obama's on these most important issues. I keep forgetting.
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  • Michaelene Seeker62 2012/06/20 15:05:22
    Michaelene
    +2
    I agree with you, but not 100%. no one will agree with me 100% either
    One example, our energy industry is not just a corporation getting welfare. It is a complicated matter of critical infrastructure, public safety, and a huge part our national defense. Recent events have caused crisis and NHS Congressional hearings. Delta Airlines bought a refinery, why? HMMM?

    Energy is an absolute neccesity, unlike GM cars or GE freezers.
    Buying electric from foreign resources and Foreign Oil does not help America, it is purchased, pre-produced, and shipped and accurately called the LARGEST TRANSFER of WEALTH for America.
    Energy choice has been available for decades, now you can buy 100% green energy if you want to pay the cost. I do. I see no need to subsidize, consumers buy what they value.

    I'm hoping for a RP position in Health (his experience, public and private practice, it makes sense, reform) as well as the Chairman of the committee to end the fed and the other depts of crap. LOL

    Now Dr Paul and libertarians can help remove Obama from office. Obama and Co with his progressive widespread appointees, LYING czars, to godforsken ambassadors and worse a new SCOTUS appt. will go too. He is livid about Obama's new immigration EO and other Obama "laws".

    I voted for Ron Paul, changed my registration, as a vote of MY conscience, even though I knew he would not win. He knew he had some support in PA.
  • Seeker62 Michaelene 2012/07/09 20:17:47
    Seeker62
    +1
    I would expect a candidate to at least agree with me on 60-70% of the issues if I am going to vote for him or her.
    However, if there is anything that I am close to being a single issue voter on it would be the Patriot Act. I have said many times here and on other blogs that I have sworn an oath to my children and grandchildren that I will never support any candidate who is in favor of the Patriot Act. Of course the reverse is just as likely. If Romney comes out at the convention and says that he will repeal the Patriot Act as well as Obama care, it is very likely that I will consider voting for him. The truth is he will never be able to repeal either one because he won't have enough votes in the Senate to overcome a sure filibuster by the Republicans and the Democrats respectively. But I would give him credence for taking a Constitutional stance on both issues.
    Of course it will never happen.
  • ☆Ed☆ Seeker62 2012/07/05 03:19:17
    ☆Ed☆
    +1
    What you "WANT" and what you'll "GET" are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT even IF Paul could "MAGICALLY" become POTUS!!!

    Whether you like it or not, the FACTS are as POTUS, Ron Paul would NOT have the POWER, NOR anywhere near enough POLITICAL SUPPORT to get ANY of his campaign promises fulfilled!!!
  • Temlako... ☆Ed☆ 2012/07/07 19:56:25
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    And how do you know that?
  • ☆Ed☆ Temlako... 2012/07/08 05:40:38
    ☆Ed☆
    +1
    The fact is Paul has not been very successful in getting legislation passed as a Senator due to his stands on many issues. His desire for the U.S. to go back to a more "isolationist" type of nation leaves him looking much more like a crackpot than it does a viable leader, and there are far too many in both houses of congress that are too spineless to stand beside Paul!!!
  • Seeker62 ☆Ed☆ 2012/07/09 20:06:27
    Seeker62
    +2
    Ron Paul has been extremely successful in turning a political ideology into a political and financial juggernaut. That is something absolutely no one denies.
  • ☆Ed☆ Seeker62 2012/07/13 06:32:02
    ☆Ed☆
    +1
    I would agree that he has been SOMEWHAT successful, but HARDLY what anyone could reasonably claim as a "juggernaut"!!!

    Paul has run for POTUS three times now, his first in 1988 as a Libertarian, and could not even muster 500,000 votes in the general election!!! His second run was in 2008 as a Republican, and I don't believe he won a single caucuse or primary in that run either. And now for his third try, he is once again not able to win a single primary or caucuse!!!

    With that record, Ron Paul is NO "juggernaut" of ANY kind!!!
  • Seeker62 ☆Ed☆ 2012/07/23 20:24:51
    Seeker62
    +1
    Oh contrar my friend. Ron Paul won Nevada, Iowa, Minnesota, Maine, and Louisiana. Just the exact number of states (5) that it takes to be nominated from the convention floor next month. But then one would not know that if one merely trusts FOX news to give out the information the Republican Party wants us to have. I suggest you google "Ron Paul wins" just to get a sample of what Fox News has NOT reported.
  • ☆Ed☆ Seeker62 2012/07/23 23:18:01
    ☆Ed☆
    LOL, YOU really need to RESEARCH what you're talking about BEFORE you make such RIDICULOUS CLAIMS!!! Your CHILDISH banter simply IGNORES the FACTS altogether!!! Perhaps YOU had better LEARN how to RESEARCH an issue BEFORE making such SILLY CLAIMS!!!

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    According to the NY Times, as of June 26, 2012, Ron )Paul has NOT "WON" a SINGLE state!!!


    SANTORUM WON MINNESOTA with 44.9% of the vote while RP finished SECOND with 27.1% of the vote!!!

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    ROMNEY WON MAINE with 39.2% of the vote while RP placed SECOND with 35.7%!!!

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    SANTORUM WON Iowa with 24.6% of the vote while RP placed THIRD with 21.4% of the vote!!!
    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    SANTORUM WON LOUISIANA with 49% of the vote while RP placed a DISMAL LAST PLACE with 6.1% of the vote

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    ROMNEY WON NEVADA with 50.1% of the vote while RP placed THIRD with 18.8% of the vote!!!

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...
    LOL, YOU really need to RESEARCH what you're talking about BEFORE you make such RIDICULOUS CLAIMS!!! Your CHILDISH banter simply IGNORES the FACTS altogether!!! Perhaps YOU had better LEARN how to RESEARCH an issue BEFORE making such SILLY CLAIMS!!!

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    According to the NY Times, as of June 26, 2012, Ron )Paul has NOT "WON" a SINGLE state!!!


    SANTORUM WON MINNESOTA with 44.9% of the vote while RP finished SECOND with 27.1% of the vote!!!

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    ROMNEY WON MAINE with 39.2% of the vote while RP placed SECOND with 35.7%!!!

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    SANTORUM WON Iowa with 24.6% of the vote while RP placed THIRD with 21.4% of the vote!!!
    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    SANTORUM WON LOUISIANA with 49% of the vote while RP placed a DISMAL LAST PLACE with 6.1% of the vote

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...

    ROMNEY WON NEVADA with 50.1% of the vote while RP placed THIRD with 18.8% of the vote!!!

    http://elections.nytimes.com/...
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  • Temlako... ☆Ed☆ 2012/07/24 02:04:12
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    You forgot one thing: Ron Paul's people put their own warm bodies into the delegate slots. And whether those delegates would consider themselves "bound" was an open question.

    Result: now Mitt Romney is handling them with kid gloves.

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • ☆Ed☆ Temlako... 2012/07/24 02:26:53
    ☆Ed☆
    No Temlakos, I didn't "forget" a thing!!!

    The REALITY is just as I previously stated, "I would agree that he has been SOMEWHAT successful, but HARDLY what anyone could reasonably claim as a "juggernaut"!!!"
  • Seeker62 ☆Ed☆ 2012/07/30 15:49:17
    Seeker62
    Hahahahahah!!! The New York Times??? Hahahahahahaha!!!!

    Here are the news stories listing Ron Paul as the winner in the states both you AND the NYT are in error about.
    What most republicans AND most of the media fail to recognize is that what matters is not how many popular votes a candidate has but rather how many delegates a candidate gains because it is the convention delegates that will nominate and ultimately elect a Republican to run against Obama.

    Here are but a few of the MANY, MANY stories out there detailing how in the end, when the states held their conventions, it was Ron Paul who walked away with the delegates:

    Ron Paul wins Iowa:
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/...

    Ron Paul wins Minesota:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politic...

    Ron Paul wins Nevada:
    http://www.theatlanticwire.co...

    Ron Paul wins Maine and Nevada:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-5...

    Ron Paul wins Louisiana:
    http://blog.chron.com/txpotom...
    Hahahahahah!!! The New York Times??? Hahahahahahaha!!!!

    Here are the news stories listing Ron Paul as the winner in the states both you AND the NYT are in error about.
    What most republicans AND most of the media fail to recognize is that what matters is not how many popular votes a candidate has but rather how many delegates a candidate gains because it is the convention delegates that will nominate and ultimately elect a Republican to run against Obama.

    Here are but a few of the MANY, MANY stories out there detailing how in the end, when the states held their conventions, it was Ron Paul who walked away with the delegates:

    Ron Paul wins Iowa:
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/...

    Ron Paul wins Minesota:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politic...

    Ron Paul wins Nevada:
    http://www.theatlanticwire.co...

    Ron Paul wins Maine and Nevada:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-5...

    Ron Paul wins Louisiana:
    http://blog.chron.com/txpotom...
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  • ☆Ed☆ Seeker62 2012/08/02 04:17:38 (edited)
    ☆Ed☆
    +1
    Hahahahahah!!! You deride the NY Times, and PRAISE the likes of ABC News , CBS News, and a Chron.com !!!

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...

    You OBVIOUSLY did NOT RESEARCH what the Times printed or you wouldn't have stated that they, or I were wrong!!!

    IF you HAD RESEARCHED the links I supplied you at the Times you would have SEEN that they SPECIFICALLY SHOW the delegates each candidate actually won, and they were in complete AGREEMENT with your claims!!!

    And IF you had a brain, you would have seen that the Times was quoting the POPULAR VOTE in PERCENTAGES , and NOT the delegate vote, however, whether you want to admit it or not, when it's all said and done, it WILL ULTIMATELY be the MOST POPULAR CANDIDATE that WINS the nomination !!!

    While RP won delegates, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ARE NON-BINDING !!! And you can sit on your couch and cry about it all day long if you want, but you are going to find that virtually all of those "non-binding" delegates will cast their votes for ROMNEY in August !!! You're also going to be in for a rude awakening when RP has NO EFFECT on the Republican platform and even LESS EFFECT on who "runs against Obama"!!!

    The FACT is, IF RP had the REMOTEST chance of winning ANYTHING he would have continued to...

    Hahahahahah!!! You deride the NY Times, and PRAISE the likes of ABC News, CBS News, and a Chron.com!!!

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...

    You OBVIOUSLY did NOT RESEARCH what the Times printed or you wouldn't have stated that they, or I were wrong!!!

    IF you HAD RESEARCHED the links I supplied you at the Times you would have SEEN that they SPECIFICALLY SHOW the delegates each candidate actually won, and they were in complete AGREEMENT with your claims!!!

    And IF you had a brain, you would have seen that the Times was quoting the POPULAR VOTE in PERCENTAGES, and NOT the delegate vote, however, whether you want to admit it or not,
    when it's all said and done, it WILL ULTIMATELY be the MOST POPULAR CANDIDATE that WINS the nomination!!!

    While RP won delegates, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ARE NON-BINDING!!! And you can sit on your couch and cry about it all day long if you want, but you are going to find that virtually all of those "non-binding" delegates will cast their votes for ROMNEY in August!!! You're also going to be in for a rude awakening when RP has NO EFFECT on the Republican platform and even LESS EFFECT on who "runs against Obama"!!!

    The FACT is, IF RP had the REMOTEST chance of winning ANYTHING he would have continued to bring in campaign funding (which he has NOT), he would NOT have suspended his campaign, nor would his OWN SON have OPENLY ENDORSED ROMNEY BEFORE the nomination!!!

    You truly need to get a grasp on REALITY!!!
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  • Temlako... ☆Ed☆ 2012/07/09 23:07:39
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    You mean Representative. Rand Paul is the Senator.
  • ☆Ed☆ Temlako... 2012/07/13 06:03:20
    ☆Ed☆
    Yep, my mistake!!! Thank you for reminding me!!!
  • Seeker62 ☆Ed☆ 2012/07/09 20:03:31 (edited)
    Seeker62
    +1
    Oh I know I won't get them, but I can only vote for a person if we are in agreement on say 60% of major policy issues. I don't think that is too much to ask. My point above was that if two people are running for office and they are both in disagreement with me on 90% of the issues why should I vote for one versus the other. Should I vote for someone with whom I almost completely disagree just because he or she has an R behind their name rather than a D? To me, only someone who is either brainwashed or is insane would do that. I am not a single issue voter and I don't expect any candidate to agree with me 100%, but I don't think asking for 60% is too much. Do you? Now if neither the republican nor the democrat meet that standard then I am obligated by principal to look for someone who does regardless of their party affiliation. At this point that will probably be Gary Johnson. I know you will say that will ensure an Obama re-election to which I would reply yes probably so, and exactly how would that be any different regarding the issues I lay out than if Romney were elected? None that I can see. But I will wait until the convention and see what Romney does regarding Ron Paul and the Tea Party.
  • olylift 2012/06/18 18:16:12
    Win
    olylift
    +2
    The Department of Homeland Security just purchased 400 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. That's for us, folks. If you think there really will be an election waiting for you in November, think again.
  • Michaelene olylift 2012/06/20 15:09:21
    Michaelene
    +1
    Yes, the ammunition industry is doing very well in this recession.
  • olylift Michaelene 2012/06/21 07:48:57
    olylift
    +2
    It'll do even better once more people wake up to what our government plans to do.
  • Philo® ~PWCM~JLA ✩ 2012/06/18 18:04:07
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    Philo® ~PWCM~JLA ✩
    +6
    Amazing how people claiming to be libertarian turn out to be not anarchists, but sour-grapes robots in lockstep...
    paulbots marching on
  • Seeker62 Philo® ... 2012/07/23 20:04:40
    Seeker62
    In lockstep with who?
  • Philo® ... Seeker62 2012/07/23 20:15:13
    Philo® ~PWCM~JLA ✩
    +1
    The puppet masters...
    obamabots
    ...opposing Romney just to oppose Romney is a win for Obama.
  • Seeker62 Philo® ... 2012/07/23 20:34:38 (edited)
    Seeker62
    You think the Ron Paul anti-big government Constitutionalists are in lock step with the biggest, big-government socialistic leader in our nation's history? Hahahahahahahahahahaha now that's funny. I think your problem is that you think there is a substantive difference between Obama and Romney. In reality the only difference between them is in style rather than substance. Both men will move the US toward bankruptsy followed by global governance. The only difference is the speed at which they will do so. I prefer to freeze spending at current levels and move governance in the direction away from central governance, be it federal or global, and toward state and local governance.
  • Philo® ... Seeker62 2012/07/23 20:36:18
    Philo® ~PWCM~JLA ✩
    And helping 0bozo into a second illegal terms advances that how, exactly?
  • Seeker62 Philo® ... 2012/07/23 20:52:08 (edited)
    Seeker62
    It doesn't. But that's the whole point. It doesn't advance these issues to vote Romney in either. For these issues that I think are THE most important to our nations future (along with repealing the Patriot Act) there isn't a hair's breadth difference between Obama and Romney. They should just label the two parties as the hand-basket-one party and the hand-basket-two party... as in which hand-basket would you rather go to hell in. My problem is that I just don't want to go at all and all you folks are insisting that my choice makes difference.
  • ally 2012/06/18 14:55:05
    Lose
    ally
    Cool. There's finally a reason to watch the RNC. Obama win, take 2.

    cool reason watch rnc obama win 2
  • irish 2012/06/18 10:57:41
    Win
    irish
    +8
    i note this is not big news on the msm,as usual. why am i NOT surprised. they have to continue the illusion of the romney being the candidate. and most americans will buy it. why do they accept the 2 brands offered and never do any real comparison shopping? informed voters are what we need not the apathetic sheeple who go with the flow.
    now can people see how corrupt the election process is? now can they see that the entire farce is manipulated behind the scenes? will they care?
    wake up america!
  • DeeB irish 2012/06/18 11:23:16
    DeeB
    +8
    What's funny Irish is that most know it, but will follow anyway.
  • irish DeeB 2012/06/18 11:26:43
    irish
    +7
    yep,i don't get that at all.
  • DDogbreath irish 2012/06/18 13:47:23
    DDogbreath
    +5
    And they wonder why I call them sheep?
  • irish DDogbreath 2012/06/18 13:49:55
  • Boblawbla irish 2012/06/18 16:56:45
    Boblawbla
    +3
    Now there is a labor-intensive reply.... "yep!".

    LOL
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