Ron Paul delegates revolt. Win or lose?
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for Mitt Romney. So as most people understood the rules, Mitt Romney
would win most of the delegates to the Republican National Convention.
In theory, each State’s rules bind delegates to vote for a
particular candidate on the first ballot. After that first ballot, any
delegate may vote as he or she wishes.
But Ron Paul’s supporters knew better. State conventions choose actual delegates by vote of whoever shows up. So Ron Paul loyalists would show up at State conventions and vote for their friends as delegates.
According to a new lawsuit, Republican national officials wouldn’t stand for that. Neither would Mitt Romney’s people.
CNAV reported earlier
when a Republican official threatened the Nevada State chairman: Choose
Romney loyalists, or lose all your votes. The Nevada State convention
chose Ron Paul delegates anyway. But the threats did not stop there.
Plaintiffs allege that in almost every state in the
United States Defendants engaged in a scheme to intimidate and harass
Delegates who were supporting a Candidate that Defendants did not
approve of. This harassment included the use of violence, intimidating
demands that Delegates sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the
threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial
penalties and fines if the Delegate fails to vote as instructed by
Defendants rather than vote the Delegate’s conscience as mandated by the
US Statutes and US Supreme Court Decisions cited.
That “Candidate” is, of course, Ron Paul. The “violence” includes fisticuffs at some State conventions.
Courthouse News Service first reported on Wednesday when 123 delegates sued the RNC. Yesterday, 40 more delegates added their names to the suit. Drew Zahn at WND picked up the story also.
In addition to the fisticuffs and the affidavits, the suit also
mentions episodes in which State Republican officers changed the rules
at the last minute. Some States in fact have two sets of delegates,
after frustrated Ron Paul supporters gathered outside the meeting halls
to choose their own delegates.
Richard Gilbert, of Gilbert and Marlowe, represents the delegates. He
told Courthouse News Service that some Republican officials were acting
like gangsters.
Gangsters or no, Gilbert has some relevant federal law on his side:
- 11 CFR IOO.2(e). It says that a Party caucus or convention is an election if it nominates candidates for federal office.
- 42 USC 1971. It says
that anyone who intimidates someone to get him to vote for or against a
candidate for President, is civilly liable. It also says that federal
district courts have jurisdiction in such cases.
Gilbert also cited Republican Party Rule 11. That rule forbids the national Party to help any candidate until the national convention nominates that candidate. Then there's Rule 38, that says that the national Party does not recognize "binding" of delegates.
The delegates want the Court to:
- Say officially that no rule can bind a delegate, and any delegate may vote as he pleases, on any ballot,
- Order that the RNC tell every delegate that in writing,
- Order all State conventions to keep all records of votes and rule changes, and
- Wherever necessary, order hand recounts or even that State parties re-convene to choose delegates.
WND's Zahn suggested that if the Court finds for the plaintiffs, it will unbind all
delegates. That could prompt ambitious people to sway the delegates,
either at the convention or before they go to it. Sarah Palin is one
such person. At least one activist has told CNAV that he would like to see the Republican Party nominate Sarah Palin as a “dark horse” (or, to be correct, dark mare) candidate.
What say you all? Will they win or lose?
Read More: http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/06/16...
Top Opinion
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Win+22I looked long and hard at that lawsuit, and at the case, statutory, and regulatory citations. I have to say they've got the law on their side. And then, anything can happen.





















And if we lose, future electorate process events will be pointless if this level of corruption is allowed and ignored due to violations to civil rights and voting rights being pushed aside to aquire a so called "desired" results.
1.) Eliminate the Federal Reserve - Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
2.) Implement a flat tax with no exceptions and no exemptions. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
4.) Eliminate whole federal departments that are superfluous to state departments like Education, Energy, and etc. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
5.) Repeal unconstitutional acts like Obamacare, the Patriot Act, and Fisa. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
6.) End all foreign Aid to everybody until we can do it without having to borrow it. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
End all corporate welfare to everybody including oil companies, green energy companies and all the rest. Obama won't do ti. Will Romney? No.
7.) Repeal the 17th Amendment so that state Senators have to campaign in all state districts instead of just the big population centers and so states have a say in what federal laws are passed. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
8.) Freeze federal spending at today's level and then reduce by one percent per year thereafter until the budget is balance (the penny plan). Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
Close the national borders shut NOW and figure out what to do with illegals that are already here later. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
9.) Privatize Social Security. Obama won't do it....
1.) Eliminate the Federal Reserve - Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
2.) Implement a flat tax with no exceptions and no exemptions. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
4.) Eliminate whole federal departments that are superfluous to state departments like Education, Energy, and etc. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
5.) Repeal unconstitutional acts like Obamacare, the Patriot Act, and Fisa. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
6.) End all foreign Aid to everybody until we can do it without having to borrow it. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
End all corporate welfare to everybody including oil companies, green energy companies and all the rest. Obama won't do ti. Will Romney? No.
7.) Repeal the 17th Amendment so that state Senators have to campaign in all state districts instead of just the big population centers and so states have a say in what federal laws are passed. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
8.) Freeze federal spending at today's level and then reduce by one percent per year thereafter until the budget is balance (the penny plan). Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
Close the national borders shut NOW and figure out what to do with illegals that are already here later. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
9.) Privatize Social Security. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
End the 3rd party payer system for Insurance Companies. Obama won't do it. Will Romney? No.
I'm Sorry please tell me again how Romney's policies are so vastly different than Obama's on these most important issues. I keep forgetting.
One example, our energy industry is not just a corporation getting welfare. It is a complicated matter of critical infrastructure, public safety, and a huge part our national defense. Recent events have caused crisis and NHS Congressional hearings. Delta Airlines bought a refinery, why? HMMM?
Energy is an absolute neccesity, unlike GM cars or GE freezers.
Buying electric from foreign resources and Foreign Oil does not help America, it is purchased, pre-produced, and shipped and accurately called the LARGEST TRANSFER of WEALTH for America.
Energy choice has been available for decades, now you can buy 100% green energy if you want to pay the cost. I do. I see no need to subsidize, consumers buy what they value.
I'm hoping for a RP position in Health (his experience, public and private practice, it makes sense, reform) as well as the Chairman of the committee to end the fed and the other depts of crap. LOL
Now Dr Paul and libertarians can help remove Obama from office. Obama and Co with his progressive widespread appointees, LYING czars, to godforsken ambassadors and worse a new SCOTUS appt. will go too. He is livid about Obama's new immigration EO and other Obama "laws".
I voted for Ron Paul, changed my registration, as a vote of MY conscience, even though I knew he would not win. He knew he had some support in PA.
However, if there is anything that I am close to being a single issue voter on it would be the Patriot Act. I have said many times here and on other blogs that I have sworn an oath to my children and grandchildren that I will never support any candidate who is in favor of the Patriot Act. Of course the reverse is just as likely. If Romney comes out at the convention and says that he will repeal the Patriot Act as well as Obama care, it is very likely that I will consider voting for him. The truth is he will never be able to repeal either one because he won't have enough votes in the Senate to overcome a sure filibuster by the Republicans and the Democrats respectively. But I would give him credence for taking a Constitutional stance on both issues.
Of course it will never happen.
Whether you like it or not, the FACTS are as POTUS, Ron Paul would NOT have the POWER, NOR anywhere near enough POLITICAL SUPPORT to get ANY of his campaign promises fulfilled!!!
Paul has run for POTUS three times now, his first in 1988 as a Libertarian, and could not even muster 500,000 votes in the general election!!! His second run was in 2008 as a Republican, and I don't believe he won a single caucuse or primary in that run either. And now for his third try, he is once again not able to win a single primary or caucuse!!!
With that record, Ron Paul is NO "juggernaut" of ANY kind!!!
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
According to the NY Times, as of June 26, 2012, Ron )Paul has NOT "WON" a SINGLE state!!!
SANTORUM WON MINNESOTA with 44.9% of the vote while RP finished SECOND with 27.1% of the vote!!!
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
ROMNEY WON MAINE with 39.2% of the vote while RP placed SECOND with 35.7%!!!
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
SANTORUM WON Iowa with 24.6% of the vote while RP placed THIRD with 21.4% of the vote!!!
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
SANTORUM WON LOUISIANA with 49% of the vote while RP placed a DISMAL LAST PLACE with 6.1% of the vote
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
ROMNEY WON NEVADA with 50.1% of the vote while RP placed THIRD with 18.8% of the vote!!!
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
According to the NY Times, as of June 26, 2012, Ron )Paul has NOT "WON" a SINGLE state!!!
SANTORUM WON MINNESOTA with 44.9% of the vote while RP finished SECOND with 27.1% of the vote!!!
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
ROMNEY WON MAINE with 39.2% of the vote while RP placed SECOND with 35.7%!!!
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
SANTORUM WON Iowa with 24.6% of the vote while RP placed THIRD with 21.4% of the vote!!!
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
SANTORUM WON LOUISIANA with 49% of the vote while RP placed a DISMAL LAST PLACE with 6.1% of the vote
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
ROMNEY WON NEVADA with 50.1% of the vote while RP placed THIRD with 18.8% of the vote!!!
http://elections.nytimes.com/...
Result: now Mitt Romney is handling them with kid gloves.
http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
The REALITY is just as I previously stated, "I would agree that he has been SOMEWHAT successful, but HARDLY what anyone could reasonably claim as a "juggernaut"!!!"
Here are the news stories listing Ron Paul as the winner in the states both you AND the NYT are in error about.
What most republicans AND most of the media fail to recognize is that what matters is not how many popular votes a candidate has but rather how many delegates a candidate gains because it is the convention delegates that will nominate and ultimately elect a Republican to run against Obama.
Here are but a few of the MANY, MANY stories out there detailing how in the end, when the states held their conventions, it was Ron Paul who walked away with the delegates:
Ron Paul wins Iowa:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/...
Ron Paul wins Minesota:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politic...
Ron Paul wins Nevada:
http://www.theatlanticwire.co...
Ron Paul wins Maine and Nevada:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-5...
Ron Paul wins Louisiana:
http://blog.chron.com/txpotom...
Here are the news stories listing Ron Paul as the winner in the states both you AND the NYT are in error about.
What most republicans AND most of the media fail to recognize is that what matters is not how many popular votes a candidate has but rather how many delegates a candidate gains because it is the convention delegates that will nominate and ultimately elect a Republican to run against Obama.
Here are but a few of the MANY, MANY stories out there detailing how in the end, when the states held their conventions, it was Ron Paul who walked away with the delegates:
Ron Paul wins Iowa:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/...
Ron Paul wins Minesota:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politic...
Ron Paul wins Nevada:
http://www.theatlanticwire.co...
Ron Paul wins Maine and Nevada:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-5...
Ron Paul wins Louisiana:
http://blog.chron.com/txpotom...
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...
You OBVIOUSLY did NOT RESEARCH what the Times printed or you wouldn't have stated that they, or I were wrong!!!
IF you HAD RESEARCHED the links I supplied you at the Times you would have SEEN that they SPECIFICALLY SHOW the delegates each candidate actually won, and they were in complete AGREEMENT with your claims!!!
And IF you had a brain, you would have seen that the Times was quoting the POPULAR VOTE in PERCENTAGES , and NOT the delegate vote, however, whether you want to admit it or not, when it's all said and done, it WILL ULTIMATELY be the MOST POPULAR CANDIDATE that WINS the nomination !!!
While RP won delegates, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ARE NON-BINDING !!! And you can sit on your couch and cry about it all day long if you want, but you are going to find that virtually all of those "non-binding" delegates will cast their votes for ROMNEY in August !!! You're also going to be in for a rude awakening when RP has NO EFFECT on the Republican platform and even LESS EFFECT on who "runs against Obama"!!!
The FACT is, IF RP had the REMOTEST chance of winning ANYTHING he would have continued to...
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...
You OBVIOUSLY did NOT RESEARCH what the Times printed or you wouldn't have stated that they, or I were wrong!!!
IF you HAD RESEARCHED the links I supplied you at the Times you would have SEEN that they SPECIFICALLY SHOW the delegates each candidate actually won, and they were in complete AGREEMENT with your claims!!!
And IF you had a brain, you would have seen that the Times was quoting the POPULAR VOTE in PERCENTAGES, and NOT the delegate vote, however, whether you want to admit it or not, when it's all said and done, it WILL ULTIMATELY be the MOST POPULAR CANDIDATE that WINS the nomination!!!
While RP won delegates, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ARE NON-BINDING!!! And you can sit on your couch and cry about it all day long if you want, but you are going to find that virtually all of those "non-binding" delegates will cast their votes for ROMNEY in August!!! You're also going to be in for a rude awakening when RP has NO EFFECT on the Republican platform and even LESS EFFECT on who "runs against Obama"!!!
The FACT is, IF RP had the REMOTEST chance of winning ANYTHING he would have continued to bring in campaign funding (which he has NOT), he would NOT have suspended his campaign, nor would his OWN SON have OPENLY ENDORSED ROMNEY BEFORE the nomination!!!
You truly need to get a grasp on REALITY!!!
...opposing Romney just to oppose Romney is a win for Obama.
now can people see how corrupt the election process is? now can they see that the entire farce is manipulated behind the scenes? will they care?
wake up america!
LOL