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Ron Paul advocates that social security is a welfare program, and a ponzi scheme, yet he receives social security checks. Is he a hypocrite?

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WASHINGTON – Ron Paul,
a staunch opponent of federal welfare programs, acknowledged Wednesday
that he receives Social Security checks, shortly after advocating that
younger generations opt out of the program.

Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Paul was asked by Huffington Post’s Sam Stein
whether he should set an example for younger Americans and opt out of
the program entirely. Paul, refusing the notion, compared the program to
other common goods such as the post office.

“Just as I use the
post office, I use government highways, I use the banks, I use the
federal reserve system, but that doesn’t mean you can’t work to remove
this in the same way on Social Security,” the Texas congressman said.
“In the same way with Social Security, I am trying to make a transition.





“I want young people to opt out of Social Security, but my goal isn’t to cut,” Paul said moments before.

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  • rdmatheny 2012/06/21 04:08:00
    No
    rdmatheny
    +19
    NO, and I will make a comparison to prove otherwise.

    Since the Social Security ACT has been enacted, it is mandated that every employee MUST pay into SS and there is NO legal way to opt out of SS. Those contributions that are mandated to be paid are YOUR funds and under the SS Act those funds are entitled to those eligible to collect at age of determined retirement.

    When Congressman Paul first was elected, he was given the option to opt out of the Congressional Retirement Fund in which he did. This CRF is taxpayer funded and throughout his congressional career, Dr. Paul has voted against any legislation or programs that lay a burden on the taxpayers. Because of his decision to opt out, he will NOT collect a Congressional Retirement pension.

    Dr. Paul has continuously proposed a plan where younger workers should have the option to opt out of Social Security and use that money to fund their own independent retirement plan. His proposal also would use the funds that are spent on illegal wars and foreign aid which total into the billions to be used instead to shore up SS and Medicare until a pragmatic plan can be in place to slowly phase out or reform those plans.

    So in essence, to call Ron Paul hypocritical is a oxy-moron in the sense, SS is a program he was forced to pay into...
    NO, and I will make a comparison to prove otherwise.

    Since the Social Security ACT has been enacted, it is mandated that every employee MUST pay into SS and there is NO legal way to opt out of SS. Those contributions that are mandated to be paid are YOUR funds and under the SS Act those funds are entitled to those eligible to collect at age of determined retirement.

    When Congressman Paul first was elected, he was given the option to opt out of the Congressional Retirement Fund in which he did. This CRF is taxpayer funded and throughout his congressional career, Dr. Paul has voted against any legislation or programs that lay a burden on the taxpayers. Because of his decision to opt out, he will NOT collect a Congressional Retirement pension.

    Dr. Paul has continuously proposed a plan where younger workers should have the option to opt out of Social Security and use that money to fund their own independent retirement plan. His proposal also would use the funds that are spent on illegal wars and foreign aid which total into the billions to be used instead to shore up SS and Medicare until a pragmatic plan can be in place to slowly phase out or reform those plans.

    So in essence, to call Ron Paul hypocritical is a oxy-moron in the sense, SS is a program he was forced to pay into and he is only exercising his right to receive the benefits he is entitled to. He has stated if SS was a program when he first started in the work force gave him a option to opt out, he would have done it without question. That option was and still is not available.
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  • rdmatheny Giantfan 2012/06/21 18:38:50
    rdmatheny
    +4
    Nice try in twisting everything around to fit your narrative. Your post is so beyond ridiculous that it should not even dignify a response. So my response will not be directed to you, since I don't think you even have a intelligent level to comprehend it. My response will be to expose to everyone else how ridiculous your post was.

    Yes, Ron Paul has stressed there should a pragmatic move to eventually abolish the Federal income tax which is unconstitutional to begin with. He is not entirely against taxes as taxes are a constitutionally permitted means of funding State, county and local projects and services since the constitution states no taxation without representation.

    The Federal government has three main responsibilities:
    - To Protect the Country
    - Maintain Foreign Commerce
    - Maintain Foreign Negotiation

    The constitution was designed to not have a centralized government (which we have now) but to have a government comprised of states having more power than the Federal government. Each state would be responsible for the taxation of their respective states to maintain infastructure, provide services to its citizens i.e. fire, police, education and welfare of children and elderly. Each state would also maintain a militia as most have National Guard Units.

    With the limitations put fo...


    Nice try in twisting everything around to fit your narrative. Your post is so beyond ridiculous that it should not even dignify a response. So my response will not be directed to you, since I don't think you even have a intelligent level to comprehend it. My response will be to expose to everyone else how ridiculous your post was.

    Yes, Ron Paul has stressed there should a pragmatic move to eventually abolish the Federal income tax which is unconstitutional to begin with. He is not entirely against taxes as taxes are a constitutionally permitted means of funding State, county and local projects and services since the constitution states no taxation without representation.

    The Federal government has three main responsibilities:
    - To Protect the Country
    - Maintain Foreign Commerce
    - Maintain Foreign Negotiation

    The constitution was designed to not have a centralized government (which we have now) but to have a government comprised of states having more power than the Federal government. Each state would be responsible for the taxation of their respective states to maintain infastructure, provide services to its citizens i.e. fire, police, education and welfare of children and elderly. Each state would also maintain a militia as most have National Guard Units.

    With the limitations put forth to the Federal government by the constitution, the funding necessary to carry out those duties can be easily funded with tariffs and fees. NO income tax would be necessary if the role of the federal government
    were downsized to the point of it's constitutional duties.

    As far as the "system" that is in place now, it was in place long before Ron Paul became a Congressman. As one of 535 members of Congress, he can not single handedly change the system back to how the founding fathers had originally designed our roles of government. Just like you and I, Ron Paul is stuck with the system that's in place whether he alone approves of it or not. To call him out as one person who uses what's in place because of a corrupted system is not only moronic but shows complete lack of knowledge of the constitution.
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  • Giantfan rdmatheny 2012/06/21 19:02:23
    Giantfan
    +1
    The constitution was written before we even had a country. Times and situations change only fool can't change or should I say won't change as situations and circumstances change. How do you expect the federal government to protect us without a federal tax and that income. It's over $700 billion a year in national defense alone. You constitutionalists are foolish and I'm being very polite to you. It isn't I who is lacking intelligence, it is you and those who think like you.
  • rdmatheny Giantfan 2012/06/21 19:36:12
    rdmatheny
    +2
    118 Billion dollars of that is spent on illegal wars alone each year. Take that away and we would spend about 500-600 Billion per year. That alone is 8 times more than ALL countries around the world combined that budget for military defense. Why is that? Simple. We as taxpayers pay for other countries military protection. There is no question, America has the most advanced military system in the world and the world knows that. No one with a ounce of sanity would even venture in attacking the United States without weighing the consequences of their action. Probably why WW2 was the last time a country was foolish enough to try it.

    The brunt of our current military expenditures is to fund a military industrial complex in conjunction with a failed foreign policy of pro-actively starting wars primarily for oil and a egotistical agenda of "spreading" our democracy around propping up "selected" dictators that eventually go rogue.
  • Giantfan rdmatheny 2012/06/22 09:25:32
    Giantfan
    +1
    Oh you simplify things so. it's sooo easy to say this money is wasted but I have a feeling you talk with your personal feelings about matters and know very little of the "whys" of the matter. There is no possible way you could be privy to the information needed to make an intelligent decision on foreign policy because you don't have all the facts just "your" opinions.
  • rdmatheny Giantfan 2012/06/22 12:33:25
    rdmatheny
    +1
    I myself served in the military. Some of the info I know comes from my cousin who is a retired One Star General that served three tours in the Middle East. I'm probably privy to some info I should not be allowed to know. Everything in my above post can be substantiated by ANYONE who has the BRAIN CAPACITY to do a Google or YouTube search.
  • nverumind rdmatheny 2012/06/21 17:58:21
    nverumind
    +1
    well said freind!
  • burning... rdmatheny 2012/06/21 18:19:56
    burningsnowman
    +1
    Not only that but even if you do succeed in getting out of social security (not paying the taxes but getting rid of your number - it's doable just very hard), social security numbers are used in every major financial transaction people make in this country. It is essentially a national ID. Which is exactly what FDR claimed it would not become.
  • nverumind burning... 2012/06/22 12:54:15
    nverumind
    Whos to say that you cant keep SS numbers? just rearrange its purpose.
  • Marcus ... rdmatheny 2012/07/09 05:43:21
    Marcus Clark
    Actually, no one pays directly into SS and they never have. The income taxes that are deceptively named to indicate SS (listed on your pay stub as FICA) are just like any other income taxes that go directly into the general fund. SS benefits are funded out of the general fund just line any other federal budget line item.
    The amount of benefits is calculated based on earnings that you were taxed on, however there is no direct connection between what you pay and what you receive. (That is what keeps it legal and why the 9 robes never declared it unconstitutional.)
    There is no legal requirement for Congress to keep SS benefits going. (It would, however, be political suicide to suddenly end it.)
  • JesusIsMyGod 2012/06/21 03:53:45
    Yes
    JesusIsMyGod
    +4
    Yes he is.
  • Gracie ... JesusIs... 2012/06/21 04:36:52
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    How so, can he opt out?
  • trentinafur 2012/06/21 03:53:23
    Yes
    trentinafur
    +7
    double-speak answer from the guy who is supposed to be the straight-talker of the bunch.
  • Lady Wh... trentin... 2012/06/21 09:55:49
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    ya think?
  • Savior 2012/06/21 03:50:22
    No
    Savior
    +3
    I think people do hypocritical things and take actions, but whether they are as a person. I don't like to put people in boxes.

    Now it may sound bias as a Ron Paul supporter, but I don't follow the man, I follow the idea.

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