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Ron Paul advocates that social security is a welfare program, and a ponzi scheme, yet he receives social security checks. Is he a hypocrite?

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WASHINGTON – Ron Paul,
a staunch opponent of federal welfare programs, acknowledged Wednesday
that he receives Social Security checks, shortly after advocating that
younger generations opt out of the program.

Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Paul was asked by Huffington Post’s Sam Stein
whether he should set an example for younger Americans and opt out of
the program entirely. Paul, refusing the notion, compared the program to
other common goods such as the post office.

“Just as I use the
post office, I use government highways, I use the banks, I use the
federal reserve system, but that doesn’t mean you can’t work to remove
this in the same way on Social Security,” the Texas congressman said.
“In the same way with Social Security, I am trying to make a transition.





“I want young people to opt out of Social Security, but my goal isn’t to cut,” Paul said moments before.

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  • rdmatheny 2012/06/21 04:08:00
    No
    rdmatheny
    +19
    NO, and I will make a comparison to prove otherwise.

    Since the Social Security ACT has been enacted, it is mandated that every employee MUST pay into SS and there is NO legal way to opt out of SS. Those contributions that are mandated to be paid are YOUR funds and under the SS Act those funds are entitled to those eligible to collect at age of determined retirement.

    When Congressman Paul first was elected, he was given the option to opt out of the Congressional Retirement Fund in which he did. This CRF is taxpayer funded and throughout his congressional career, Dr. Paul has voted against any legislation or programs that lay a burden on the taxpayers. Because of his decision to opt out, he will NOT collect a Congressional Retirement pension.

    Dr. Paul has continuously proposed a plan where younger workers should have the option to opt out of Social Security and use that money to fund their own independent retirement plan. His proposal also would use the funds that are spent on illegal wars and foreign aid which total into the billions to be used instead to shore up SS and Medicare until a pragmatic plan can be in place to slowly phase out or reform those plans.

    So in essence, to call Ron Paul hypocritical is a oxy-moron in the sense, SS is a program he was forced to pay into...
    NO, and I will make a comparison to prove otherwise.

    Since the Social Security ACT has been enacted, it is mandated that every employee MUST pay into SS and there is NO legal way to opt out of SS. Those contributions that are mandated to be paid are YOUR funds and under the SS Act those funds are entitled to those eligible to collect at age of determined retirement.

    When Congressman Paul first was elected, he was given the option to opt out of the Congressional Retirement Fund in which he did. This CRF is taxpayer funded and throughout his congressional career, Dr. Paul has voted against any legislation or programs that lay a burden on the taxpayers. Because of his decision to opt out, he will NOT collect a Congressional Retirement pension.

    Dr. Paul has continuously proposed a plan where younger workers should have the option to opt out of Social Security and use that money to fund their own independent retirement plan. His proposal also would use the funds that are spent on illegal wars and foreign aid which total into the billions to be used instead to shore up SS and Medicare until a pragmatic plan can be in place to slowly phase out or reform those plans.

    So in essence, to call Ron Paul hypocritical is a oxy-moron in the sense, SS is a program he was forced to pay into and he is only exercising his right to receive the benefits he is entitled to. He has stated if SS was a program when he first started in the work force gave him a option to opt out, he would have done it without question. That option was and still is not available.
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  • Sissy Kaleoku... 2012/06/21 12:24:01 (edited)
  • Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/06/21 04:34:09
    No
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    Since when did Social Security become optional? I think he's a hypocrite for putting pork in bills and then voting against them but not for getting Social Security when they made him pay into it all his life.
  • rdmatheny Gracie ... 2012/06/21 05:10:14
  • CrazyDeen0 rdmatheny 2012/06/21 14:29:03
  • Gracie ... rdmatheny 2012/06/21 16:06:12
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Before we go any further, you need to go and see what Ron Paul's projects have been. Look at the federal dollars that he brought home to his district for some very dubious projects himself. If you're going to say that something is waste, it's waste for others and it's waste for Ron Paul's district. Then you need to look at the percentage that he gets. It's not merely getting what they put in back, it's far beyond that. I understand what pork is and these are my issues with Ron Paul's version of it.
  • rdmatheny Gracie ... 2012/06/21 16:24:42
  • JohnT 2012/06/21 04:28:35 (edited)
    Yes
    JohnT
    +1
    I would say it seems that way but there are more sides to a story than one posting There is this posting questioning his validity of what he has said, his response and than the truth.
  • Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2012/06/21 04:13:48
    Yes
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +3
    He wants to get while the gettins' still good. I got mine, so screw you. He'll be long dead before his money runs out..
  • Gracie ... Warren ... 2012/06/21 04:34:57
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    Can you opt out of Social Security? If so, I'd have done it years ago.
  • BloodlessVeins 2012/06/21 04:13:01 (edited)
  • Raymond Allamby 2012/06/21 04:11:41
  • Cap Raymond... 2012/06/21 06:12:05
    Cap
    +6
    Every so often the pristine clarity of the thought process of one of my fellow SHs just leaves me in awe.
  • Raymond... Cap 2012/06/21 10:38:22
    Raymond Allamby
    +2
    truth too much for ya?
  • Cap Raymond... 2012/06/21 12:43:47
    Cap
    +3
    Quite the contrary, the Truth, when I find it, is quite refreshing, like ice cream on a hot summer day. Which is why I rue the necessity of wading through obscenity-laced drivel like yours, which equates to finding the rotten sausage of your ideas after stripping off the moldy roll of your rhetoric.
  • Raymond... Cap 2012/06/21 13:00:44
    Raymond Allamby
    +1
    ahh, so you definitely can't handle the truth. as long as we're clear on that. the truth is the truth. if you don't like the way it's presented, don't read it.
  • Cap Raymond... 2012/06/21 21:30:15
    Cap
    Did you, perhaps study at the University of Chicago? You certainly have seemed to have picked up on the BHO/Liberal mindset that it is the job of such unenlightened folk as I to like not only your message, but how you deliver it. As for my inability to handle the rotten sausage of your truth, there is a difference between not handling it as you want me to - swallowing it whole - and not being able to handle it in an objective sense. .
  • Raymond... Cap 2012/06/21 21:51:02
    Raymond Allamby
    i take it that the delay in your reply, was to peruse many pages of dictionaries, and thesauruses, to formulate your diatribe. pretending to be gentile and educated holds no weight with me. i choose to shoot from the hip, and bear my emotions, you hide behind a facade of faux logic.
  • Cap Raymond... 2012/06/21 23:49:48
    Cap
    +2
    Read the response to which your posting resonds, Raymond. The most non-commonplace word I used was "unenlightened". The ring of stupidity which you seem to hear echoing in your responses is not some trick arising out of my artful use of complex language, no, sadly, my friend, the source of what you hear is the Real Deal - faulty and intemperate thinking.
  • Raymond... Cap 2012/06/22 00:47:06
    Raymond Allamby
    or maybe your just a poet, who didn't know it.
  • JohnT Cap 2012/06/21 14:40:49
    JohnT
    +2
    I concur with you, there are quite a few mental cases on this forum that have little class and cannot contain their political stupidity by way of verbal assault that amounts to large portions of hot air wafting past all of us.
  • Sissy Raymond... 2012/06/21 13:05:22
    Sissy
    +2
    Sometime when you have a minute, you must tell us how you really feel. lol
  • Raymond... Sissy 2012/06/21 14:00:41
    Raymond Allamby
    +1
    i'll get around to it someday.
  • Sissy Raymond... 2012/06/21 14:31:49
  • rdmatheny 2012/06/21 04:08:00
    No
    rdmatheny
    +19
    NO, and I will make a comparison to prove otherwise.

    Since the Social Security ACT has been enacted, it is mandated that every employee MUST pay into SS and there is NO legal way to opt out of SS. Those contributions that are mandated to be paid are YOUR funds and under the SS Act those funds are entitled to those eligible to collect at age of determined retirement.

    When Congressman Paul first was elected, he was given the option to opt out of the Congressional Retirement Fund in which he did. This CRF is taxpayer funded and throughout his congressional career, Dr. Paul has voted against any legislation or programs that lay a burden on the taxpayers. Because of his decision to opt out, he will NOT collect a Congressional Retirement pension.

    Dr. Paul has continuously proposed a plan where younger workers should have the option to opt out of Social Security and use that money to fund their own independent retirement plan. His proposal also would use the funds that are spent on illegal wars and foreign aid which total into the billions to be used instead to shore up SS and Medicare until a pragmatic plan can be in place to slowly phase out or reform those plans.

    So in essence, to call Ron Paul hypocritical is a oxy-moron in the sense, SS is a program he was forced to pay into...
    NO, and I will make a comparison to prove otherwise.

    Since the Social Security ACT has been enacted, it is mandated that every employee MUST pay into SS and there is NO legal way to opt out of SS. Those contributions that are mandated to be paid are YOUR funds and under the SS Act those funds are entitled to those eligible to collect at age of determined retirement.

    When Congressman Paul first was elected, he was given the option to opt out of the Congressional Retirement Fund in which he did. This CRF is taxpayer funded and throughout his congressional career, Dr. Paul has voted against any legislation or programs that lay a burden on the taxpayers. Because of his decision to opt out, he will NOT collect a Congressional Retirement pension.

    Dr. Paul has continuously proposed a plan where younger workers should have the option to opt out of Social Security and use that money to fund their own independent retirement plan. His proposal also would use the funds that are spent on illegal wars and foreign aid which total into the billions to be used instead to shore up SS and Medicare until a pragmatic plan can be in place to slowly phase out or reform those plans.

    So in essence, to call Ron Paul hypocritical is a oxy-moron in the sense, SS is a program he was forced to pay into and he is only exercising his right to receive the benefits he is entitled to. He has stated if SS was a program when he first started in the work force gave him a option to opt out, he would have done it without question. That option was and still is not available.
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  • Gracie ... rdmatheny 2012/06/21 04:39:10
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    You spent way too much time on this bunch...they care little about the truth of any situation.
  • Sissy rdmatheny 2012/06/21 13:29:25
    Sissy
    +6
    There are several thoughts I have regarding your well articulated and thoughtful comments here. First of all while this is really a great subject to discuss, I found I could not choose either of the choices given in the Question because they don't fit my opinion. Its far more complicated than a mere "yes" or "no". I'm not going to argue with you because you don't argue yourself, you just state how you see this and you did a good job at that!

    You voice what you hear from many in their 30's & 40's, say today, (Including my own adult, kids). "I will take care of myself, give me that money and I will save where I want to...." or some such logic. The trouble is, for the most part they're not saving, nor did all too many of the baby boomers who are now at retirement age do very much thoughtful planning. (That alone absolutely has stunned me...) Some of their best earning years were doing the booming 90's and they are now to the point where they should have had a nest egg to carry them thru and if they aren't still working, they're scrambling for a job as a Greeter at Wal-Mart. Certainly not all I might add, but the statistics show an enormous amount of them.

    What people, including my working kids, can't seem to get their arms around is the fact that Social Security was never ...



    There are several thoughts I have regarding your well articulated and thoughtful comments here. First of all while this is really a great subject to discuss, I found I could not choose either of the choices given in the Question because they don't fit my opinion. Its far more complicated than a mere "yes" or "no". I'm not going to argue with you because you don't argue yourself, you just state how you see this and you did a good job at that!

    You voice what you hear from many in their 30's & 40's, say today, (Including my own adult, kids). "I will take care of myself, give me that money and I will save where I want to...." or some such logic. The trouble is, for the most part they're not saving, nor did all too many of the baby boomers who are now at retirement age do very much thoughtful planning. (That alone absolutely has stunned me...) Some of their best earning years were doing the booming 90's and they are now to the point where they should have had a nest egg to carry them thru and if they aren't still working, they're scrambling for a job as a Greeter at Wal-Mart. Certainly not all I might add, but the statistics show an enormous amount of them.

    What people, including my working kids, can't seem to get their arms around is the fact that Social Security was never meant to be a retirement program. It was implemented so that never again would seniors be "caught" as they were in the last Depression. It is a safety net for when all else fails, the stock market, the banks, your private investments, you will have a net to fall into. My great-grandparents lost everything over 75 years ago. Their farm after the bank collapsed, their savings in that failed bank and had absolutely nothing. They moved in with my grandparents and my dad who was a teenager when the crash came and it was very, very hard. Before our own crash in '07, the President was working very hard to privatize SS or starting to work at it and my own kids thought it was a great idea.....then the crash came and I (with just a touch of humor) said to them, ahhhh, had your dad and I had the choice of pulling out the tens of thousands of dollars we've invested in ss and put it all in the stock market before this crash came, which one of you would have us move in? That was because we did indeed lose many thousands of our privately owned portfolio, which has slowly but surely been coming back.

    Wall Street was salvitating at the thought of getting their hands on those ss funds and think of the enormous hardship that would have occurred had they been able to do so. It would have made the depression 75 years ago look like a cake walk.

    You made many good points to ponder and reflect. Thank you.
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  • Risk Sissy 2012/06/21 13:35:22
    Risk
    +6
    Dr. Paul is basically trying to wake up the American public and your comments are very fair and well taken ! ; )

  • Sissy Risk 2012/06/21 14:23:34
    Sissy
    +2
    Thank you Risk, I appreciate that.
  • nverumind Sissy 2012/06/21 17:57:47
    nverumind
    +4
    I agree and enjoyed reading your to the point, respectful, and honest opinion.
    As for myself i do agree with your children and many young people, My husband and i would like to opt out of SS and save and put that money where we see fit.
    again thanks.
  • Sissy nverumind 2012/06/22 11:25:51
    Sissy
    +1
    I wish you all the luck in the world as you move forward in the coming years of working, planning and saving for the future. I wish we had started before we turned 40!! I was grateful that when we lost so much during the Crash in '07 that we had SS because that check came unfailingly each month even as our private allotments plummented.

    I'm afraid too many, (my own late parents included), depended on SS as their only means of income and they epitimized what "fixed income" was.
  • Simms Sissy 2012/06/28 11:30:07
    Simms
    +1
    I can appreciate your view on this topic. However, SS has never been managed properly and is failing. The government just revised their estimate of when SS will run out to 2033. That is long before I will be able to collect anything. I have been paying into the SS program for 20 years. By 2033, I will have paid in for another 2o years, and I will not see any of that money.

    I would prefer to be able to invest that money on my own (and I do invest). At least then I would see some money. Or I could just spend that extra money on consumer products and services, thus stimulating the economy! ;-)
  • Sissy Simms 2012/07/02 10:57:03
    Sissy
    Had presidents, beginning I believe, with LBJ left SS alone and not raided it to fix the budget, pay for wars or other expenses, it would be just fine today. One thing that we have to remember though (and which I haven't heard too much about), that once we get thru the Baby Boomers, the population needing ss will drop dramatically due to fewer people in that age group.

    Another point I would make is that while you are obviously thinking and planning for your own senior years, the vast majority of (especially the Baby Boomers), never have. I am frankly astonished that so little has been saved by that generation. The boon years of the 90's should have been a watershed of savings for them and statistics show that they did not. They did indeed "spend the extra money" and now find themselves in a boatload of hurt.
  • Simms Sissy 2012/07/02 13:08:40
    Simms
    +1
    Yes, it has been mismanaged by Congress for quite some time. Unfortunately, it is not setup properly as a separate entity that can only be used for its intended purpose. Since Social Security is the only government program that consistently brought in more money than it spent, for 30 years, it is a giant target. Also, Social Security Trust Funds are required by law to invest in Treasuries. The government then spends the money in the treasury. When Social Security runs a deficit (which it has since 2009) it cashes in some of those treasury IOUs. Then the government borrows money to pay back Social Security. So even if the Social Security Program recovers once the Baby Boomers are all gone, the IOUs will be paid off by the Treasury. Since the government doesn't produce anything, that means more taxes and borrowing. More taxes means that we will have less to save for our retirement, and thus will have to rely more on social security. What a wonderful cycle!

    Also, since we are living longer, we will need Social Security longer. Luckily, we can just raise the retirement age again.
  • Sissy Simms 2012/07/02 21:17:22
    Sissy
    Good Points
  • Giantfan rdmatheny 2012/06/21 14:54:17
    Giantfan
    +2
    Ron Paul doesn't think we should pay income taxes yet he uses all the things income taxes pay for, like our roads, bridges, police protection, fire fighters if his house should catch fire, visiting federal parks, our protection from attack by foreign governments by our military. The man benifits from every dollar of income taxes paid to the government. He "is" a hypocrite. If he doesn't like paying federal taxes find a country that doesn't have any and move there. He's a big waste of time IMO....
  • nverumind Giantfan 2012/06/21 18:00:43
    nverumind
    +2
    IF you would look at his platform and listen to why he is against income taxes he gives options and suggestions of how it would work without it! People just like to make assumptions and rant baseless attacks without actually researching the What where and Why's of the matters politicians bring forward.
  • Giantfan nverumind 2012/06/21 18:28:05
    Giantfan
    +1
    I use to like Paul he was always my favorite republican but when you look closely at his views and actually take out the "cheapness" of humans who want every benifit they can get but never want to pay for it then you see just how distructive his policies could be. I don't think he's a bad guy at all but I think his policies would hurt the country and weaken it more than help it. Do I agree with all our tax policies now or spending, nope not even close but I think most are better then his ideas.
  • nverumind Giantfan 2012/06/21 18:36:01
    nverumind
    well, we will agree to disagree then.
    His policies would wake people up, who support and take advantage of this now Welfare Dependent Nation, to get off their Butts and do something for themselves instead of sittin on the couch waiting for their next check.
  • Giantfan nverumind 2012/06/21 18:57:18
    Giantfan
    +1
    Well more money is wasted yearly on corporate welfare then welfare for the poor. Hell even corn growers get $4 billion a year in welfare. Now not every person on welfare is lazy and not all corproations need any help. Work first on taking welfare away from the wealthy then work your way down to the poor and hungry. Trickle down......
  • nverumind Giantfan 2012/06/21 19:01:17
    nverumind
    +1
    ... that is his goal. most of his policies are for gradual incorporation, nothing other than foreign policy and Big gov spending is for imediate action.

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