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Ron Paul advocates that social security is a welfare program, and a ponzi scheme, yet he receives social security checks. Is he a hypocrite?

Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru 2012/06/21 03:43:23
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WASHINGTON – Ron Paul,
a staunch opponent of federal welfare programs, acknowledged Wednesday
that he receives Social Security checks, shortly after advocating that
younger generations opt out of the program.

Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Paul was asked by Huffington Post’s Sam Stein
whether he should set an example for younger Americans and opt out of
the program entirely. Paul, refusing the notion, compared the program to
other common goods such as the post office.

“Just as I use the
post office, I use government highways, I use the banks, I use the
federal reserve system, but that doesn’t mean you can’t work to remove
this in the same way on Social Security,” the Texas congressman said.
“In the same way with Social Security, I am trying to make a transition.





“I want young people to opt out of Social Security, but my goal isn’t to cut,” Paul said moments before.

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  • rdmatheny 2012/06/21 04:08:00
    No
    rdmatheny
    +19
    NO, and I will make a comparison to prove otherwise.

    Since the Social Security ACT has been enacted, it is mandated that every employee MUST pay into SS and there is NO legal way to opt out of SS. Those contributions that are mandated to be paid are YOUR funds and under the SS Act those funds are entitled to those eligible to collect at age of determined retirement.

    When Congressman Paul first was elected, he was given the option to opt out of the Congressional Retirement Fund in which he did. This CRF is taxpayer funded and throughout his congressional career, Dr. Paul has voted against any legislation or programs that lay a burden on the taxpayers. Because of his decision to opt out, he will NOT collect a Congressional Retirement pension.

    Dr. Paul has continuously proposed a plan where younger workers should have the option to opt out of Social Security and use that money to fund their own independent retirement plan. His proposal also would use the funds that are spent on illegal wars and foreign aid which total into the billions to be used instead to shore up SS and Medicare until a pragmatic plan can be in place to slowly phase out or reform those plans.

    So in essence, to call Ron Paul hypocritical is a oxy-moron in the sense, SS is a program he was forced to pay into...
    NO, and I will make a comparison to prove otherwise.

    Since the Social Security ACT has been enacted, it is mandated that every employee MUST pay into SS and there is NO legal way to opt out of SS. Those contributions that are mandated to be paid are YOUR funds and under the SS Act those funds are entitled to those eligible to collect at age of determined retirement.

    When Congressman Paul first was elected, he was given the option to opt out of the Congressional Retirement Fund in which he did. This CRF is taxpayer funded and throughout his congressional career, Dr. Paul has voted against any legislation or programs that lay a burden on the taxpayers. Because of his decision to opt out, he will NOT collect a Congressional Retirement pension.

    Dr. Paul has continuously proposed a plan where younger workers should have the option to opt out of Social Security and use that money to fund their own independent retirement plan. His proposal also would use the funds that are spent on illegal wars and foreign aid which total into the billions to be used instead to shore up SS and Medicare until a pragmatic plan can be in place to slowly phase out or reform those plans.

    So in essence, to call Ron Paul hypocritical is a oxy-moron in the sense, SS is a program he was forced to pay into and he is only exercising his right to receive the benefits he is entitled to. He has stated if SS was a program when he first started in the work force gave him a option to opt out, he would have done it without question. That option was and still is not available.
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  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/06/22 04:55:45
    No
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +6
    He can't not. My father tried and was told he couldn't opt out.

    Just like years earlier my uncle had tried not to enroll his mother in Medicare because the bookkeeping would cost more than the benefits. He couldn't do that either.
  • Keeping It Real 2012/06/22 03:48:47
    Yes
    Keeping It Real
    +4
    He's a fake a$$ hypocrite to the tenth power!
  • Zolfie™ 2012/06/21 21:19:53
    Yes
    Zolfie™
    +7
    Ron Paul says social security is welfare and receives social security checks. So in short Ron Paul says he's basically receiving welfare.

    He would be a hypocrite if he's says people should stop accepting welfare and/or social security.

    But I assume most politician are hypocrites (because almost all of them are)
  • Lady Wh... Zolfie™ 2012/06/22 14:36:46
    Lady Whitewolf
    +6
    agreed
  • nverumind Zolfie™ 2012/06/22 15:34:18
    nverumind
    +5
    HE like you or I had no choice to opt out of paying IN to ss and should be a beneficiary of money he Himself put into it.
  • Zak Smith 2012/06/21 20:51:15
    No
    Zak Smith
    +2
    Just like environmentalists who drive gasoline cars aren't. They recognize that there is a system in place that must be used, but that the system is flawed and needs to be abolished or reformed soon.
  • FeelHood H. Obama~BN28 2012/06/21 20:33:56
    Yes
    FeelHood H. Obama~BN28
    +6
    He's a... Republican.
  • Lady Wh... FeelHoo... 2012/06/22 14:37:01
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    says it all, huh?
  • nverumind Lady Wh... 2012/06/22 15:35:23
    nverumind
    +2
    like obama in 2007 criticizing and saying that presidents shouldnt use or hide behind Executive privilage but here we are Obama abusing and hiding behind EO's at every turn
  • scblues... nverumind 2012/06/22 22:19:51
    scbluesman13
    +1
    Obama has only exercised executive privilege once in his first term, and it wasn't to protect himself but AG Holder. Bush used it 11 times in his first term alone. Please get the facts before you make silly comments like this.
  • nverumind scblues... 2012/06/22 22:21:37
    nverumind
    +2
    umm...look again at what i wrote before i show you how rediculous you look for your silly comment
  • nverumind nverumind 2012/06/22 22:26:25 (edited)
    nverumind
    +3
    Ill just go ahead and say it . Yes i understand Obama for the first time on Wed issued his first EP...
    Look closely, i said Obama criticized other presidents for hiding behind executive "Privileges"
    My next sentence says EO's which is Executive Orders.. and obama has issued 128 of them to date.
    and why the hell, if obama isnt hiding anything would he use an EP to protect that crook Holder!?
  • lucky 2012/06/21 20:24:11
    No
    lucky
    +4
    He is recouping his losses, its financial common sense.
  • fudge35 2012/06/21 19:48:37
    Yes
    fudge35
    +2
    Well more hypocrisy from right wingers. Why doesn't he opt out now?? He knows it isn't welfare because he has paid into??? Has anyone asked him if people that collect welfare pay the government for the welfare??? What a ridiculous statement to say S.S. is welfare. No tax money has ever had to shore up S.S. in the 77 years it has been in existence. In fact S.S. has 2 and a half trillion dollars to the good!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • aherbert 2012/06/21 17:23:56
    Yes
    aherbert
    +4
    yep


    Folks like Ron want the benefits for themselves .... sound like elitist to me.
  • Lady Wh... aherbert 2012/06/22 14:38:12
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    "Folks like Ron want the benefits for themselves .... sound like elitist to me..."

    B I N G O
  • jgh57 2012/06/21 17:11:22
    Yes
    jgh57
    +4
    He is an idiot.
  • loribird29 2012/06/21 16:04:59
    Yes
    loribird29
    +3
    hey Libertarians, head over to Somalia if you think no regulations and no taxes and very little gov't is the answer. methinks you would scurry back to your "socialist" home in record time.
  • Zak Smith loribird29 2012/06/21 21:26:06
    Zak Smith
    +2
    You misunderstand what Libertarianism is. It is the belief that all people have the right to self-ownership. The idea is that a person exists in the past, present, and future. The past is represented by your property, the things you earned from your past efforts. The present is represented by your liberty, your free will to do as you please. The future is your life. These belong to you alone, and nobody has any claim to them whatsoever. Libertarians believe that it is morally wrong to initiate force, or to ask that force be initiated on your behalf from another individual or organization, to take another person's life, liberty, or property. Libertarians believe that the only role of federal government is to protect these things through sound monetary policy, military, law enforcement, and judicial systems. Theft, assualt, slavery, rape, and murder are examples of things that private citizens commit on each other when government is too weak, like in Somalia. Over-taxing, wealth redistribution, cronyism/corporatism, conscription, over-incarceration, torture, and execution are examples of what happens when governments take too much power and abuse the people they are supposed to protect. The goal of Libertarianism is to reach that balancing point.

    You are equating Libertarianis...
    You misunderstand what Libertarianism is. It is the belief that all people have the right to self-ownership. The idea is that a person exists in the past, present, and future. The past is represented by your property, the things you earned from your past efforts. The present is represented by your liberty, your free will to do as you please. The future is your life. These belong to you alone, and nobody has any claim to them whatsoever. Libertarians believe that it is morally wrong to initiate force, or to ask that force be initiated on your behalf from another individual or organization, to take another person's life, liberty, or property. Libertarians believe that the only role of federal government is to protect these things through sound monetary policy, military, law enforcement, and judicial systems. Theft, assualt, slavery, rape, and murder are examples of things that private citizens commit on each other when government is too weak, like in Somalia. Over-taxing, wealth redistribution, cronyism/corporatism, conscription, over-incarceration, torture, and execution are examples of what happens when governments take too much power and abuse the people they are supposed to protect. The goal of Libertarianism is to reach that balancing point.

    You are equating Libertarianism it Anarchism. That would be like equating the Democrats to the Green Party, or Islam to Jihadism. While there are obvious similarities, one takes the idea to an extreme that the reasonable person is not willing to go to.
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  • Hopscotch 2012/06/21 15:38:36 (edited)
    Yes
    Hopscotch
    +4
    If he uses the government serves like the highways, the post office and SS, why doesn't he pay his share of taxes for them? government highways post office ss pay taxes
  • PDenoli Hopscotch 2012/06/21 17:09:06
    PDenoli
    +2
    You lost me. Did *anyone* say he wasn't paying taxes?
  • Hopscotch PDenoli 2012/06/21 17:35:55
    Hopscotch
    +3
    No, SORRY you got lost. I meant his fair share of taxes.......Knowing he's in the top 1% and (he's in Congress he knows here all the loop holes are) lost meant fair share taxes 1 congress loop holes
  • PDenoli Hopscotch 2012/06/22 14:09:35 (edited)
    PDenoli
    You misunderstand. Regarding this topic, you're the one who has wandered away. You'll see that my response is relevant to the question and to the thread.

    Note that this question/thread has nothing to do with "fair share" or "taxes" or "tax loopholes". If you'll look, it's talking about social security and not dancing penguins or birth certificates or bankers or... windmills.

    That said, if there is a "fair social security share" discussion to be had... feel free to introduce it. But please recognize that you would be introducing it. Presently, nothing of the sort exists. As it stands, I'm afraid you're being rather obtuse.

    Intentional?

    retarded penguin
  • Hopscotch PDenoli 2012/06/22 15:27:35
    Hopscotch
    I was just pointing out his hypocrisy as I'm pointing out your ignorance. I never said anything about: "fair social security share". I said "if he is against drinking at the trough for others, he shouldn't drink at the trough himself. And if he does he should pay his fair share of taxes for the trough. Sorry you got confused.....others haven't........
  • PDenoli Hopscotch 2012/06/22 15:36:09
    PDenoli
    Let me follow your twisted path.... If I take something from you - and you dare say that I shouldn't take it from you. If this happened, then *YOU* would be a hypocrite if I return a piece of it and you accept it.

    After all, you said it was something "that shouldn't be taken"!!!

    Now I understand why the Government is bankrupt. People like you run it.
    asylum
  • Lady Wh... Hopscotch 2012/06/22 14:38:46
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    EXACTLY!
  • voice_matters 2012/06/21 15:21:43
    No
    voice_matters
    why is he a hipocrite? he paid into social security and he gets the money he deserves. as a member of congress though he doesn't pay nor earn social scurity. i get the facts are something libs ignore but i can not ignore them
  • Assassi... voice_m... 2012/06/21 16:14:09
    Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru
    +3
    I have paid in for years too, yet he thinks I shouldn't have it. That's why he is a hypocrite.
  • voice_m... Assassi... 2012/06/21 17:23:53
    voice_matters
    a nice ignorant post from a great ignorant lib. can you please show me the bills introduced in congress to end social security
  • Lady Wh... Assassi... 2012/06/22 14:39:15
    Lady Whitewolf
    BINGO
  • nverumind Assassi... 2012/06/22 15:37:22
    nverumind
    +1
    he never said that you shouldnt have it , and it is a gradual "phase out" NOT a cut and run situation. He wants the choice to be present to no longer be forced to PAY into SS, and respect and honor the commitment of those who have spent their lives paying into it to get those benefits they paid for.
  • Katfish Assassi... 2012/06/23 08:44:07
    Katfish
    Quite the opposite, he wants you to be able to take what you and your employer have paid in on your behalf and opt out.
  • Wild Dog 2012/06/21 14:55:05
    Yes
    Wild Dog
    +3
    He is ,and seems to be delusional .we paid into SS ,and had the pols raid the funds many years over on both sides of polotics ,because they thought it was overfunded ,and never repaid what they took. No ,I believe those who call themselves conservative are so for their own narrow issues.the best idea is to put tariffs on products from abroad that were made here ,and apply it to the funds ,and just maybe the corps will see it ,and bring back the work to this country that has always been proven to produce the highest quality goods.
  • Lady Wh... Wild Dog 2012/06/22 14:39:55
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    Can't agree more!
  • Wild Dog Lady Wh... 2012/06/22 14:49:02
    Wild Dog
    +1
    Thanx ,and it's so funny pols just can't get together ,and bring up realistic fixes ,restore the upper incomes to pre cut percentage ,and close loopholes the rich use ,and stop picking on older citizens who paid in SS, and medicare all their lives ,while ignoring their own lavish retirements ,and perks they recieve for being obstuctionists ,wanting nothing to do than pull the rug out from under us.
  • Lady Wh... Wild Dog 2012/06/22 15:27:54
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    AGREED!
  • Wild Dog Lady Wh... 2012/06/22 15:39:23
    Wild Dog
    More need to come aboard on this,opposing those who would rather see these things go,and if paul doesn't think the programs any good ,should leave it immediately.
  • Giantfan 2012/06/21 14:48:53
    Yes
    Giantfan
    +7
    Most republicans are and Paul is a prime example. Rush Limbaugh said "all" drug users should be put in jail, except for him that is.
  • Bilingual required sucks 2012/06/21 14:30:58
    Yes
    Bilingual required sucks
    +4
    “I want young people to opt out of Social Security, but my goal isn’t to cut,” Paul said moments before.

    Why doesn't he opt out first as an example?
  • CrazyDeen0 2012/06/21 14:17:48
    No
    CrazyDeen0
    If you pay into it, doesn't that mean it is your money? Whether or not you agree with it, it is your money that you are FORCED to pay into, it is still your money and everyone who pays into it are entitled to recieve THEIR money. Dr. Paul is the MOST FISCALLY SOUND CONGRESSMAN EVER. To call him a hypocrite for disagreeing with a program he was forced to pay into and is now getting HIS money back is ridiculous. Quit grabbing at straws... The lame stream media does a fine job of that already.

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