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Romney's wealth...very interesting!

Artist~PWCM~ 2012/04/30 13:03:23
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Subject: Romney's wealth



It just occurred to me . . . With all the noise the media is making about Romney's wealth,
I don't recall such bluster and hand-wringing over the Kennedy fortune. Or, for that matter, John Kerry.
Or the fact that John Kerry gave virtually nothing to charity while Romney gave something on the order of $4 million...in
addition to his entire inheritance from his father.

Oh. Wait.

I just remembered. Romney is Republican. Kerry and the Kennedys are Democrats.
Also, Romney worked for his money. Kennedy inherited his. And Kerry married it.
Never mind. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
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  • CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2012/04/30 13:21:10
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    +14
    It seems I am supposed to hate the way Romney went about making, saving and distributing his money.And I am supposed to love the way Obama confiscates, redistributes and wastes mine?

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  • Brian T... Artist~... 2012/05/15 22:49:30
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    Do your socks match today Artist?
    ;-)
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/05/15 22:48:53
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    That is one fine sock puppet Lee.
    And she is here of her own accord,
    as I can back up my Conservative convictions all day long, no prejudice needed, just facts.
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/05/06 14:40:56 (edited)
    Lee
    If a child of privilege gives all his wealth to charity as you claim, then he is left with no wealth.

    That means he is poor . . . Which Romney clearly never was.

    Can't you keep your story straight?

    The Salt Lake Olympics was never a "sinking ship." Mormon Bishop Romney sought out and was GIVEN the job of overseeing the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics as a means of building up his political resume. What makes you think it was a sinking ship?

    Sure, Romney did OK in the business world. The political and social infrastructure that would later facilitate his business success was already being set up for Mitt while he was still in diapers.

    And you claim Romney is some sort of self-made man??!!

    What a joke . . .

    There is nothing real about the man. He has very little in common with the vast majority of Americans.

    Mitt was secure, is secure, and will continue to be secure in his own entitled status from the day his nanny changed his first dirty diaper until the day he dies.

    Not only has he always been rich, but he has always been LDS. He's a Latter Day Saint . . .

    A Saint by God . . . and therefore far superior to the mass of us mere mortals who toil and struggle and work so that he can have the tax cuts to which he is ENTITLED.

    There is nothing real about Mitt Romney.


    It's no wonder Ro...



















    If a child of privilege gives all his wealth to charity as you claim, then he is left with no wealth.

    That means he is poor . . . Which Romney clearly never was.

    Can't you keep your story straight?

    The Salt Lake Olympics was never a "sinking ship." Mormon Bishop Romney sought out and was GIVEN the job of overseeing the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics as a means of building up his political resume. What makes you think it was a sinking ship?

    Sure, Romney did OK in the business world. The political and social infrastructure that would later facilitate his business success was already being set up for Mitt while he was still in diapers.

    And you claim Romney is some sort of self-made man??!!

    What a joke . . .

    There is nothing real about the man. He has very little in common with the vast majority of Americans.

    Mitt was secure, is secure, and will continue to be secure in his own entitled status from the day his nanny changed his first dirty diaper until the day he dies.

    Not only has he always been rich, but he has always been LDS. He's a Latter Day Saint . . .

    A Saint by God . . . and therefore far superior to the mass of us mere mortals who toil and struggle and work so that he can have the tax cuts to which he is ENTITLED.

    There is nothing real about Mitt Romney.


    It's no wonder Romney fits in so well with the unreal expectations and beliefs and delusions of the Latter Day Conservatives who make up the Latter Day Republican Party.


    As for your defense of Reaganism, that's an even bigger joke. The Laffer curve especially is a laugh.


    The economy rebounded under Reagan's administration, but not because of Reagan's policies. The economy rebounded because the price of world oil fell to fraction of what it had been during the Carter administration. And cheap energy energizes the economy like nothing else. Reagan had NOTHING to do with the fall in the price of world oil during his administration.

    http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm

    The Laffer curve is another way of expressing the law of diminishing returns. Although lower taxes can promote economic growth, the positive effect diminishes at some point. Obviously the Reaganistic vestiges of the GW Bush administration point that out. GW's tax cuts, which made taxes much lower for high earners than they were during the booming Clinton administration, don't seem to be working, do they? That's because those tax cuts were excessive. They succeeded only in diminishing national revenue and in vastly increasing the national debt. Basically, the Bush tax cuts did much more harm than good.

    Reaganism is a bane upon this nation and the world.

    Reaganism essentially states that we can have our cake and eat it too. It's a popular notion in Right Wing La La Land, but even a small child knows better than that.


    By the way, the Cato Institute is just another fake Right Wing "think tank" that comes up with phony "evidence" for the supposed prowess and superiority of right wing thought.


    They can call themselves Liberatarians, but they're just a sub-species of Right Wing Nut Job.
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  • Brian T... Lee 2012/05/07 06:44:09
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    No child of privilege wants for anything. Remember, you and I work to keep ourselves fed, clothes on our backs, and a roof over our head, and if we are smart to invest and grow it. Children of privilege never worry about any of those things, as it is all taken care of for them.

    If you or I were given an inheritance, my guess is we would invest it, to grow it, and protect it, so we would have it. Someone who donates his inheritance clearly does not have any of these concerns.

    Romney has never been anything but rich. There is no story to keep straight. But he did donate his inheritance, and he did make a lot of money by working. Now, there are plenty of children of privilege who would not have done that, who would have kept their inheritance and lived off of it. John John Kennedy pretty much did that. He did the schooling he was "suppose to do", and pursued his interests, and so on and so forth. Romney on the other hand worked, and made a lot of money. Romney is a success.

    Romney is a self made man. Did he have connections? You bet he did, tons of them by way of his family, by way of his church, and probably another ten ways. Children of privilege have that going for them. So what.

    Romney has also shown, in real life, leadership skills in established institutions. Tha...



















    No child of privilege wants for anything. Remember, you and I work to keep ourselves fed, clothes on our backs, and a roof over our head, and if we are smart to invest and grow it. Children of privilege never worry about any of those things, as it is all taken care of for them.

    If you or I were given an inheritance, my guess is we would invest it, to grow it, and protect it, so we would have it. Someone who donates his inheritance clearly does not have any of these concerns.

    Romney has never been anything but rich. There is no story to keep straight. But he did donate his inheritance, and he did make a lot of money by working. Now, there are plenty of children of privilege who would not have done that, who would have kept their inheritance and lived off of it. John John Kennedy pretty much did that. He did the schooling he was "suppose to do", and pursued his interests, and so on and so forth. Romney on the other hand worked, and made a lot of money. Romney is a success.

    Romney is a self made man. Did he have connections? You bet he did, tons of them by way of his family, by way of his church, and probably another ten ways. Children of privilege have that going for them. So what.

    Romney has also shown, in real life, leadership skills in established institutions. That includes the business world, charity, politics, and his church. Those kind of skills do matter, and it does matter how and where you gained them. First in the Pinewood Derby does not count, and neither does organizing a protest.

    He did save the Salt Lake Olympics. You clearly are not familiar with the scandal surrounding those Olympics. It would have been a black eye for the United States, the State of Utah, Salt Lake City, and Mormons in general. The Olympic Committee can very close to pulling Salt Lake as the host city, and there was a lot riding on fixing what had been broken. Romney was not given the job, he did not get it because he was a Romney, he was brought in to save Salt Lake City as the host city, and he did. It was a pretty amazing feat for anyone to pull off, considering the amount of damage done.

    Romney's being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is what it is, he is a "Mormon". He also held high positions within that church. There is nothing about his "Mormonism" that concerns me, no more so than Jack Kennedy's "Roman Catholicism" should have concerned anyone in 1960. The problem we have right now is a naked Marxist is the chief executive of our country, and the country is suffering because of it. Any supposed concern with Romney is just to distract at what a disaster Obama is as a president as far as I am concerned.

    Mitt Romney is real. He is WYSIWYG, just like Obama. There will be no surprises under a Romney Administration, as he will take a bunch of pages from Reagan's book. Should he get all RINO or neocon, and takes a page from Bush 41's, or Bush 43's book his approval rating will drop like a stone.

    No conservative is delusional about Romney, we do not expect a great deal beyond Supreme Court nominations, fixing the economy, and not getting involved in any military adventures. Expectations are actually quite low. What we on the right want is an end to the Obama Administration, and we would vote a ham sandwich into office to do that, and Romney ain't no ham sandwich.

    My defense of Reagan's economic policies is spot on. I can even lay out what the criticisms are of those economic policies, as I have studied both sides of the policies.

    Oil was part of the reason the economy rebounded for sure, no doubt. But it is also important to point out that had Carter been elected to a second term that the falling of the world oil prices would not have altered the Carter Administration one bit, and the bump would not been anywhere as dramatic. Remember, according to the Carter Administration oil was suppose to run out sometime during President Clinton's second term. Hmmm? And most of the wells in the United States sit capped, and it is estimated that there is 100 years worth of oil right here in the United States.

    I highlighted what the theories were, and once implemented what happened. The economic recovery had some tough times in the early 1980s, but by Reagan's second term the recovery was in full swing because of the policies, and those had little to do with the price of oil.

    The Laffer curve clearly demonstrates that the tax and spend mindset of the left is not viable, and that lowering income taxes stimulates the economy. What you seem to miss about the whole thing is this, the so called "rich", those making over 200K or 250K, whatever the number is today, many of those people are small business owners, and most small businesses provide jobs for a vast amount of people in the country. If you wanted to go after the top one percent, I would say go for it, as the top one percent will just move their money out of reach of Uncle Sam, and you will slide right down that Laffer curve so quick you will think you are on a roller coaster. But slamming the people who make 200K and up is just stupid economic policy for America.

    Reagan got it mostly right, and the RINOs and the Democrats still can not stand it. But in the 24 years since, neither has made much headway economically as they can say look what we did, we did better than Reagan. Has not happened, so it is all bunk. You can crow all day long about Clinton, but there is not much to see there except fiscal conservatives kept him from doing what he really would have like to do.

    The Cato Institute is exactly was it says it is, a libertarian think tank. They want less regulation, they want the free market to be less restrained, typical libertarian stuff. Nothing shocking there at all. The debate for them would be Milton Friedman vs. Ludwig von Mises, as the tax and spend, entitlement mindset is a complete clusterf**k to them. Where we sit right now, it appears they are 100% correct.
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  • Lee Brian T... 2012/05/08 19:19:04
    Lee
    +1
    There is a world of difference between Kennedy and Romney.

    Romney was GIVEN everything. He never had to fight or compete. Kennedy, though also born wealthy, fought the Japanese and came very close to dying like his big brother Joe. Romney was never challenged.

    And what experience does Romney have? He is extremely experienced at running very expensive political campaigns. He spent multiple millions running for Senator in the 90's and running for President in 2008 . . . both failed endeavors.

    Do we really need a President with a proven propensity for spending huge sums of money in unsuccessful endeavors?
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/05/09 07:55:46
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    Now you want to start splitting hair about children of privilege? Please. Romney is more John John Kennedy's age at not Jack Kennedy's age. Romney has worked, and has been challenged, he did not lay around the poll all day. Has his life been as challenging as most peoples? I would imagine not. But to act like he has done nothing is ridiculous.

    Then you want to talk experience. Sweet Gentle Jesus! If you want to talk about never having done anything, and having no experience, Barak Obama wins the prize for that hands down. Then you have the gaul to say, "Do we really need a President with a proven propensity for spending huge sums of money in unsuccessful endeavors?" No we do not Lee, and that is why we need to get rid of him this November, along with all of his czars and wack job cabinet members.
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/05/09 10:56:36
    Lee
    +1
    Except Obama has been mostly successful in his money-spending endeavors. Solyndra didn't pan out, but otherwise he has spent money wisely and effectively.

    His bailout of the auto industry, over the protests and screams and groans of Right Wingers, saved many thousands of jobs.

    His stimulus package may have kept this nation from slipping into another Great Depression.

    And Romney?? He spent money all right . . . in his quest for power . . spending multiple millions in Senatorial and Presidential campaigns . .


    And now finally, he has achieved some measure of success as the
    leader of the Latter Day Republicans . . . and he did so by spending millions while making all the right Republican noises . . . .squealing and braying nonsensical Right Wing Mantras . . . . showing us all exactly what he is made of.

    Come on . . . Romney is just another worthless Right Wing Ideologue, who, if elected, will continue the Reaganite tradition of gross mismanagement, simple-mindedness, and stupidity.
  • Artist~... Lee 2012/05/09 12:50:49
    Artist~PWCM~
    +1
    Wow! What did you lace your Kool-aide with?
    Why don't you try to explain away $5 Trillion additional dollars under obama's watch. The Stimulus only benefited Wall Street and the unions/GM. obamacare hasn't even fully kicked in yet (2014) and already every promise obama made about it has been broken...keep your doctor, prescription savings, insurance not going up...etc. It was a lie braced with bribes.
    What about the billion that obama has in his war chest to keep his office? And what about his promise to remain a single term president if he didn't fix the economy?

    I'm not saying President Romney is going to turn this country around overnight, especially since his first year will be used up fixing all the BS that obama brought in but yeah, he'll definitely do a better job...mainly because he HAD A JOB!
  • Lee Artist~... 2012/05/09 14:27:50 (edited)
    Lee
    You are obviously a product of RWNJ propaganda overload.

    Very little you say is true.

    Can you find even one credible source to back up your outlandish calims.

    By the way, Right Wing Nut Job websites are NOT credible sources.
  • Artist~... Lee 2012/05/09 17:01:08
    Artist~PWCM~
    +1
    Um, I didn't make anything up. You can even go online with MSNBC, WASHINGTON POST, NEW YORK TIMES, WALL STREET JOURNAL and find this information. I do look around and I hear NPR every morning...and that's about as left as I can stand!
    You're clueless...and brainwashed too.
    liberal sheep
  • Lee Artist~... 2012/05/10 11:38:45
    Lee
    Give us some links then . . . To CREDIBLE sources.
  • Artist~... Lee 2012/05/10 12:54:39
    Artist~PWCM~
    +1
    Well I'll grant you MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post and NPR are not credible but they should be right (or left) up your alley, lol!
  • Lee Artist~... 2012/05/10 14:29:08 (edited)
    Lee
    lol

    It's so funny the way today's Conservatives - Latter Day Conservatives - have completely redefined the world.

    The New York Times has been around forever. It has reliably reported the news for generations. Our parents and grandparents relied on it.

    And now, since the advent of the irresponsible Reaganistic world view . . . along comes the newbie, Fox News, . . . designed and created as a Right Wing Propaganda outlet. And Right Wingers swear by it.

    Not only that, but Rupert Murdoch, the billionaire Right Winger who owns FOX News, also bought several other renowned news outlets and turned them into blatant RW Propaganda Mills as well.

    Murdoch, now in trouble for invading the privacy of thousands of individuals by hacking into their emails and phone messages, has set up a world network of Right Wing Propaganda outlets . . . designed to sway weak-minded individuals into maintaining and strengthening a plutocratic world, strengthening the already rich and powerful at the expense of everyone else.

    The Great Mass of Right Wingers, the poor gullible peons, are being played. You can no longer even think for yourselves.

    . . . .And you LOVE it.


    Pathetic . . . and Laughable.
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/05/10 06:46:04
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    "Except Obama has been mostly successful in his money-spending endeavors."
    Really? Obama has spent more money than any other president ever. And I would have to look up the exact statistics but his spending surpasses the combined spending of Dubya going back to a presidency in the 1800s, if he has not reach George Washington by this time. It is the typical left-wing bankrupt the nation and throw money at the problem till it goes way mantra. Which is crazy, squared.

    "Romney is just another worthless Right Wing Ideologue, who, if elected, will continue the Reaganite tradition of gross mismanagement, simple-mindedness, and stupidity."
    Oh My God, please, I am praying for exactly that, that Romney acts just like Reagan.

    Reagan Romney
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/05/10 11:50:59 (edited)
    Lee
    Yes, Romney acts just like Reagan, and Reagan was probably the second-to-the-worst President of the 20th century . . . exceeded only by Harding . . . not so much because of what he did but because of his legacy. His policies have become a model for successive Republican Presidents.

    GW Bush acted just like Reagan too.

    Reagan got lucky. The price of world oil Plummeted during his administration, and the resulting economic recovery made him look good.

    But not all Presidents can expect the price of world energy to plummet during their administrations. GW copied his hero's behavior to a T, and he demonstrated clearly how well Reaganism works in less-than-perfect circumstances.

    Like Reagan, GW reduced taxes for high earners, and thereby caused the national debt to TRIPLE because revenue was much less than it otherwise would have been. GW did the same, and succeeded in Doubling the debt again while simultaneously creating a world financial crisis borne out of a tradition of irresponsible deregulation and kowtowing to powerful political pressure groups.

    And now there's Romney, who as you suggest, is acting just like Reagan . . . AND just like GW Bush.

    We don't need any more simple-minded Reaganites in the oval office.
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/05/14 06:08:49
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    If Romney acts like Reagan, oh my, that would be wonderful!
    reagan great
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/05/14 12:39:36 (edited)
    Lee
    "We have built a Reich that will last a thousand years."

    - Adoph Hitler

    Both Hitler and Reagan were wildly popular among delusional Right Wingers.
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/05/14 15:20:53
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    How in the f*ck do you get Adolf Hitler, leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) was right wing?

    What part of National Socialist German Workers Party screams to you right wing? Socialist perhaps? Or maybe the totalitarian nature of the government? Both of those are hallmarks of left wing governments.
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/05/14 19:49:20
    Lee
    Adolf Hitler was far Right Wing.

    . . . Extremely Nationalistic and zenophobic.

    Naziism nominally favored a Right Wing Socialism.

    Although Nazi pre-war propaganda advocated the rejection of Capitalism, in practice Hitler strenghthened the Oligopolistic Captialism already existent in Germany.

    Hitler was a great friend of the big capitalists, even gathering up millions of disposable slaves from conquered countries to staff their endeavors. Now THAT is cheap labor

    .
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/05/15 00:07:18
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    Right wing Socialism? What the hell is that? That clearly must be some sort of European political science category. Here in America, Marxism is left wing, any form of it is left wing. There is nothing remotely right wing about National Socialist German Workers Party to American Political Science. In fact the Nazi Party is most certainly left wing when looked at from a American Political Science standpoint. I could care less about the hairs that get split, and the Frankensteins that are made to categorize political theories in Europe, they call people who are clearly socialist over there center-right, and that is ridiculous. Marxism is marxism.

    Furthermore, Hitler's anti-capitalist positions are clearly documented, as are his anti-religious positions. To suggest that Hitler approved business, or Hitler approved religion makes him a capitalist and friend or the free market, or a pious man and friend of the freedom of religion is daft. A government sanctioned and controlled economy is not capitalist.
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/05/15 00:35:19 (edited)
    Lee
    Right Wing Socialism and Marxist Socialism are at polar opposites.

    "Conservative or right-wing socialism[1][2] is defined as type of socialism in which institutional aggression is employed to maintain the social status quo and the privileges certain people or groups of people enjoy"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...



    Marxism seeks to unite the workers of the world. Nazissm sought to unite the Aryan German People to prevail over everybody else.

    The Communists were wiped out by Hitler in Germany not long after he took power. Ever heard of the Reichstag fire? Hitler blamed it on the Communists and pretty much all of them in Germany were executed or sent to concentrations camps.


    I studied political science in college over 20 years ago, and Fascism was deservedly located on the extreme Right on the political spectrum.

    Since Reagan however, Right Wing Nut Jobs have sought to rewrite history and redraw the political spectrum. So I don't doubt that fake academics in fake Right Wing "Think Tanks" have created all kinds of fake knowledge for their simple-minded counterparts, Right Wing True Believers who can completely block out any reality that contradicts their idiotic ideology.

    Hitlers Right Wing followers were the same way.

    Hitler took an anti-capitalist position early on in order to att...









    Right Wing Socialism and Marxist Socialism are at polar opposites.

    "Conservative or right-wing socialism[1][2] is defined as type of socialism in which institutional aggression is employed to maintain the social status quo and the privileges certain people or groups of people enjoy"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...



    Marxism seeks to unite the workers of the world. Nazissm sought to unite the Aryan German People to prevail over everybody else.

    The Communists were wiped out by Hitler in Germany not long after he took power. Ever heard of the Reichstag fire? Hitler blamed it on the Communists and pretty much all of them in Germany were executed or sent to concentrations camps.


    I studied political science in college over 20 years ago, and Fascism was deservedly located on the extreme Right on the political spectrum.

    Since Reagan however, Right Wing Nut Jobs have sought to rewrite history and redraw the political spectrum. So I don't doubt that fake academics in fake Right Wing "Think Tanks" have created all kinds of fake knowledge for their simple-minded counterparts, Right Wing True Believers who can completely block out any reality that contradicts their idiotic ideology.

    Hitlers Right Wing followers were the same way.

    Hitler took an anti-capitalist position early on in order to attract unemployed and frustrated Germans away from the Communist Party. But as you may notice (but block out) only his early rhetoric was anti-capitalist.

    But he never walked the talk. As I already explained, Hitler became the number one supporter of the big oligopolistic Capitalists.

    "Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed to gain the support of industrial owners for the Nazis, and in the 1930s focus was shifted to antisemitic and anti-Marxist themes."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The insane fervor of the Nazis, and their simple-minded obsession and dedication to Hitler's Master Race Myth is eerily similar to America's Right Wing , Latter Day Conservatives, and their dedication to the Myth of Reagan.

    It's creepy.
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  • Brian T... Lee 2012/05/15 07:33:58
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    It being called "Right Wing Socialism" does not make it right-wing, as it is in comparison to Marxist Socialism. European politics includes Monarchies, Dictators, Theocracies, and all kinds of other political set ups that have nothing to do with American politics what-so-ever.

    Conservatives and Libertarians who hold true to the Constitution are actually very close the the Founders, who are Classical Liberals. But Conservatives and Libertarians are to the right of center in American politics, even though many of them could be classified as Classical Liberals. Whereas the Liberals of today could not be classified as Classical Liberals.

    I too have studied Political Science, but I have never mistaken a Marxist for anything other than a Marxist, even if he was killing Communists and Socialists. You should certainly know that hate and intolerance is at its apex within ideologies, not so much so outside of ideologies. Furthermore, I would never misidentify someone as capitalist because they gave special treatment to certain businesses. A capitalist believes in free markets first and foremost, if not, they are not a capitalist.

    Reagan is to Hitler, like Dorothy Gale is to the Wicked Witch of the West. You can rewrite it if you want, for Wicked the book and the stage show is certainly popular, but that does not change the truth.
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/15 01:01:48
    Lee
    America is not an island separate from the rest of the world, no matter what you prefer to believe. And Fascism is Right Wing Socialism.

    And please tell me how Conservatives and Libertarians hold true to the Constitution. I don't see it.

    Classical Liberalism had it's time. But the word changed, and Liberalism changed to deal with a changing world.

    And although you claim to be a Classical Liberal, I don't see that either.

    Please explain what makes you a Classical Liberal.

    While you're at it, explain this strange statement: " . . . hate and intolerance is at its apex within ideologies, not so much so outside of ideologies." How is that relevant to the discussion?

    That is not really true. No good man, ideological or not, is going to tolerate the actions of truly evil Right Wing Nut Job scum. You seem to suggest that a pragmatic man could not hate the Nazis. Well, you're wrong.

    Pragmatic and practical people are fully capable of despising Right Wing Scum and the harm they do.
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/06/15 20:40:10
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1

    America is on a continent, and is actually separated from Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and Antarctica. Geography 101.

    Conservatives and Libertarians hold true to the Constitution by upholding the principles of it, and by reading it for what it was written to mean. That is how. Libertarians cite the Constitution constantly, and if you have ever read a book by, or watch an interview with Ron Paul you would know that. True Conservatives also hold true to the text and meaning of the Constitution as written. It is people on the left who are very selective with the document, and it is people on the left who would like to edit it.

    Classical Liberalism is about human rights granted by the Creator, and that supersedes any government. That is timeless, and its time has not gone anywhere. In fact it is even more important today than it ever was, in the face of power hungry governments. Left-wing ideologies have been collapsing under their own weight since Marx published his first book. Bismarck tried out various schemes, and rejected them as they did not work, but that did not stop German academia from exporting those ideas all over the globe. Nazi Germany was defeated, Fascist Italy was defeated, the U.S.S.R. collapsed, Cuba will collapse, and anywhere else that tries this...





    America is an island
    America is on a continent, and is actually separated from Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and Antarctica. Geography 101.

    Conservatives and Libertarians hold true to the Constitution by upholding the principles of it, and by reading it for what it was written to mean. That is how. Libertarians cite the Constitution constantly, and if you have ever read a book by, or watch an interview with Ron Paul you would know that. True Conservatives also hold true to the text and meaning of the Constitution as written. It is people on the left who are very selective with the document, and it is people on the left who would like to edit it.

    Classical Liberalism is about human rights granted by the Creator, and that supersedes any government. That is timeless, and its time has not gone anywhere. In fact it is even more important today than it ever was, in the face of power hungry governments. Left-wing ideologies have been collapsing under their own weight since Marx published his first book. Bismarck tried out various schemes, and rejected them as they did not work, but that did not stop German academia from exporting those ideas all over the globe. Nazi Germany was defeated, Fascist Italy was defeated, the U.S.S.R. collapsed, Cuba will collapse, and anywhere else that tries this stuff will fold under the weight of the ideology. Even here in the United States with our vestiges of the New Deal, and the Great Society we are having to deal with the unsustainable expenditures of such left-wing programs, and they will collapse under their own weight. After all, eventually you run out of other people's money to spend.

    I am a PaleoConservative, and that is based upon Classical Liberalism. It is pretty simple and straight forward.

    You want to know how the statement, "Hate and intolerance is at its apex within ideologies, not so much so outside of ideologies," is that relevant to the discussion. Simple. The Nazi's were a Nationalist, Socialist, and Fascist Worker's Political Party. Who were their greatest enemies? Communists, Socialists, and other practitioners of various flavors of Marxism. This is similar to how the left in this country celebrates Anti-Americanism, Anti-Capitalism, less government, lower taxes, and personal responsibility. How the left wants special rights for certain people (the left's master race I suppose), wants special compensation for some companies, while it "punishes" others (very much like Nazi Germany business practices). If there is a Totalitarian or Fascist element in the United States it is with the left, and with their left-wing propaganda.

    The right is not without sin, but the left has done more damage to the United States than anyone.
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  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/15 21:21:25 (edited)
    Lee
    Uh huh . . . . America is on a continent. I think I got it.
    And Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia are on continents too. I think I follow you so far.

    But then what? Do you have a point? We’ve got a bunch of continents, the inhabitants of which can communicate instantly through various digital means, even on Soda Head. So what’s your point? I thought I had it . . . but it just floated by. Maybe, it wasn’t really there. Maybe your little introduction was completely pointless.

    And no, many modern Conservatives and Libertarians absolutely do NOT hold true to the Constitution. They try to subvert it at every opportunity. After all, the Constitution, the Law of the Land, tells us how this nation should be GOVERNED by a Central GOVERNMENT. And Libertarians and Conservatives who despise government naturally despise the document that created that government.

    PRETENSE is the defining quality of Conservatives and Libertarians. Thy pretend to be Constitutionalists but are instead blatantly Anti-Constitutionalist. SELF-DECEPTION defines Conservatives and Libertarians. They actually believe their own lies.

    It is absolutely false that " . . . Conservatives also hold true to the text and meaning of the Constitution as written . . “

    Conservatives constantly refer to t...















    Uh huh . . . . America is on a continent. I think I got it.
    And Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia are on continents too. I think I follow you so far.

    But then what? Do you have a point? We’ve got a bunch of continents, the inhabitants of which can communicate instantly through various digital means, even on Soda Head. So what’s your point? I thought I had it . . . but it just floated by. Maybe, it wasn’t really there. Maybe your little introduction was completely pointless.

    And no, many modern Conservatives and Libertarians absolutely do NOT hold true to the Constitution. They try to subvert it at every opportunity. After all, the Constitution, the Law of the Land, tells us how this nation should be GOVERNED by a Central GOVERNMENT. And Libertarians and Conservatives who despise government naturally despise the document that created that government.

    PRETENSE is the defining quality of Conservatives and Libertarians. Thy pretend to be Constitutionalists but are instead blatantly Anti-Constitutionalist. SELF-DECEPTION defines Conservatives and Libertarians. They actually believe their own lies.

    It is absolutely false that " . . . Conservatives also hold true to the text and meaning of the Constitution as written . . “

    Conservatives constantly refer to the “original intent” of the founding fathers, as if they know; and they completely disregard the text in favor of their perceptions of that suppose “Original Intent.” . . . More self-deception . . . More Pretense.

    The founding fathers varied in their opinions with each other and even with themselves over time, but by and large, the founding fathers absolutely were NOT Classical Liberals.

    And with all your talk about "COLLAPSE" (Oh Dear!!), it is YOU who sound like a wild eyed ideologue.

    Hitler incessantly talked about the imminent "Collapse" of his enemies . . . even in the hours preceding his suicide.

    You sound like a nut. Of course you do. That's because you ARE a Nut.

    lol

    You have your pretense, and self-deception, and denial, and projection, and repression, and suppression to cushion you from the terrible blows of reality. But that in not way makes you righteous, or good, or noble.

    It just makes you a NUT.

    Where do you think the term "Right Wing Nut Job" comes from anyway?
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  • Artist~... Lee 2012/05/09 12:32:32 (edited)
    Artist~PWCM~
    +1
    You mean like the one we have now? Can you spell S-o-l-y-n-d-r-a?
  • Lee Artist~... 2012/05/09 14:29:22
    Lee
    As I said in my previous post . . ."Solyndra didn't pan out, but otherwise he has spent money wisely and effectively."
  • Artist~... Lee 2012/05/09 16:56:15
    Artist~PWCM~
    +1
    Nope...not even close.
  • Brian T... Artist~... 2012/05/15 07:36:35
  • Artist~... Brian T... 2012/05/15 12:35:44
    Artist~PWCM~
    +1
    I know but you can't lead an ass to water and make it drink...proof doesn't mean a damn thing to liberals.
  • Brian T... Artist~... 2012/05/15 22:56:00
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    Well, I understand adding zeros to the end of a number is a bit intimidating to grasp, but fiscal stewardship has never been a strong suit of the left. Regardless, spending money on boondoggles is not something I can see someone who is rational explaining. If all of that money went into infrastructure, it may have been a large expenditure indeed, but at least it would not have been pissed away like it was. Now we have a federal government that acted as a venture capitalist with the publics money, mainly on "green" ventures, and of course we have many that have gone belly up. That is certainly the nature of a venture, but it is not the nature of how tax money should be spent.
  • Artist~... Brian T... 2012/05/15 23:10:52
    Artist~PWCM~
    +1
    Preaching to the choir son, preaching to the choir...
  • Brian T... Artist~... 2012/05/16 04:27:44
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/15 01:03:55
    Lee
    A good part of the 2009 deficit belongs to Bush. He spent at least a trillion and a half his last four months in office.

    Why do Right Wingers lie so much?

    It's a compulsion, isn't it?
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/06/15 19:41:50
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    Bush 43 did spend a great deal of money, in the last, well, few months, I would not say four, as that spreads it out too much. Bush and the Congress tallied up one heck of a TARPolicious bill, certainly unprecedented at the time.

    However, along came Obama, and he has spent an astronomical amount of money in the last 3 1/2 years. Obama and Congress racked up a such a STIMULating bill, that it not only eclipses all of Bush 43's spending, but surpasses so many presidents' spending combined that it makes him the biggest spender, ever. E v e r!

    You also gloss over why Bush 43 spent so much, and that both Obama and McCain were kept abreast and met with Bush 43 regarding the matter. That money was spent to stop a meltdown of the finical sector.

    Whereas, the Stimulus was to "stimulate" the economy with pork, and lots of it. Aside from the bailout of GM and Chrysler, the two had very different purposes altogether.

    And the more serious of the two was cheaper. The only thing that is going to discount Obama's 3 1/2 year spending spree somewhat is when the Supreme Court tosses ObamaCare into the trash. But even then, Obama is THE BIG SPENDER, and nobody else can compare.

    Get a reality check, an put down the Kool Aid.
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/15 20:00:26 (edited)
    Lee
    Yes, along came Obama who spent an astronomical amount of money.

    Did you NOT think it would be expensive paying for the cost of two wars and pulling this nation out of GW's Great Recession? How could you be so naive?

    Did you think that Obama could magically solve this nation's problems without spending money? . . . After your hero Reagan TRIPLED the debt without even trying and GW more than doubled it again? How could you be so naive?

    GW left this nation struggling with a pitiful revenue stream, which will remain pitiful as long as his tax cuts are in place. How can we pay for expenses with the kind of revenue GW left us set up with?

    Yes, TARP was instituted to stop a melt down of the financial sector, and I've never criticized GW for that. TARP was one of the few things GW got right.

    And yes the stimulus did stimulate the economy. And it worked. We aren't in a Great Depression are we? Stock values have been climbing steadily and Corporations are sitting on more liquid assets now than ever before.

    And no, TARP and the Stimulus were in fact designed to serve basically the same purpose . . . to keep this country's economy from going belly up.

    Pull your head out and see reality.
  • Billyk75 2012/04/30 23:19:17
    Billyk75
    +2
    Is Big Ears Obama a pauper?
  • Artist~... Billyk75 2012/05/01 12:49:30
    Artist~PWCM~
    +2
    Nope, he's part of the 1%!
  • Billyk75 Artist~... 2012/05/01 15:01:40
    Billyk75
    +1
    And the 99% adores him.
  • Artist~... Billyk75 2012/05/01 23:50:42
    Artist~PWCM~
    +2
    Last I heard it was down to 43%, lol!

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