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Romney: Elderly are not affected

LesWaggoner BN 1 2012/08/16 00:41:16

Why is it that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are insisting that their changes to Medicare do not affect those over the age of 55?


Apparently they assume that we, the elderly, aren’t concerned about the welfare of our children and the following generations.


My wife and I are proud American patriots even though we have elected to retire in Costa Rica in 1967 because of the beauty of the country and the many variations in climate here.


We opted to not to belong to the Medicare system because of its many shortcomings and lack of coverage for any major medical issues and the cost of medications while in the “donut hole”.


What we found after our move was that Costa Rica has a national health care system that has existed side by side with the private health care system that provides us with complete medical coverage at a reasonable cost.


When the “Obamacare” legislation was passed in 2010 we found that it could have been based on the national health care system here with the exception that the Costa Rican health care system is a single payer system. The Costa Rican government pays the cost of the system while the medical profession manages it.


We pay a monthly fee to belong to the system which is reasonable. I will note that our cost here is less than the same medical system would cost in the U.S. but even so the cost is less than 1/10th the cost of the insured private health care coverage here.


Since 2007 my wife has been treated for two different types of cancer, had heart blockages requiring three stents along with regular treatment of diabetes and fibromyalgia. During this same period of time I have had a ruptured appendix, peritonitis, a hernia and Herpes Zoster (Shingles).All of our medications and hospitalizations are provided at no additional cost above the monthly fee.


These are the things that I hope to see for my progeny in the future under Obama’s health care legislation and the most important of reasons that I will not vote for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan in this election.


I am elderly, at 71, and I am concerned about what happens to my progeny.

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  • Lee 2012/09/03 02:33:28
    Lee
    +1
    You'd have to be Crazy to vote for Mitt Bundy, the Shifty Saint.
  • DeeB 2012/08/31 21:58:50
    DeeB
    +1
    People need to stop voting period. It is a sham. You really don't even have a vote and here is some proof for you. Both sides are run by the same thugs, it really doesn't matter which thug gets in, we are going to lose this country and every freedom we've ever had either way.
  • James 2012/08/31 21:08:43
    James
    +2
    I don't think either the Republicans or the Democrats are in a right state of mind right now. I have a feeling something REALLY bad is going to happen at the end of the year.
  • LesWagg... James 2012/09/02 00:51:41
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +1
    It isn't looking good but time will tell.
  • La 2012/08/30 08:43:11
    La
    +1
    Costa Rica has a great healthcare system :) Everyone should copy it
  • twocrows 2012/08/16 03:48:54
    twocrows
    +2
    that's just it, Les. the Republicans are banking on the elderly being selfish and caring only for themselves. well - they've got the general population of the elderly mixed up with how they, themselves, would deal with the rest of the world.

    I'm with you - I want Medicare to be there when my younger sister [she's 50 now] and her children reach the age I am now [within 3 months of my 65th birthday and beginning to explore my Medicare options.] it's not all about me. it's about those who come after me.

    sorry, R's. not everyone is as selfish as you are - nor are we as selfish as you seem to think we are.
  • Ken 2012/08/16 00:46:56
    Ken
    No, they just realize that something has to be done or there will be no medicare for our children and grandchildren.
  • LesWagg... Ken 2012/08/16 00:54:10
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +2
    That is the conclusion that Obama reached and the reason for the health care legislation.
  • Ken LesWagg... 2012/08/16 01:10:23 (edited)
    Ken
    Obamacare is nothing but more Government regulations and additional taxes. Wait til someone in your family buys a new home and has to pay a 3% tax on their closing cost, that is $3000 for every $100,000 of cost. "No one in the middle class will have their taxes raised", what a lie.
  • twocrows Ken 2012/08/16 03:51:31
    twocrows
    +2
    oops. you've been listening only to the propaganda again.
    Obama did, indeed, pull back on the funding to Medicare. but he pulled it from the provider side - not the elderly who rely on it. and he plowed the money back into Medicare - - NOT into more tax cuts for the wealthy.

    as against those moves as you obviously are, you must be on a par with Romney's income bracket, I'm guessing.
  • LesWagg... Ken 2012/08/16 22:38:25
  • Ken LesWagg... 2012/08/16 23:33:05 (edited)
  • LesWagg... Ken 2012/08/17 20:52:05
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +2
    You must be one of the 2%!
    The links you provided prove my point.

    A 3.8 Percent “Sales Tax” on Your Home?
    "Q: Does the new health care law impose a 3.8 percent tax on profits from selling your home?"

    "A: No, with very few exceptions. The first $250,000 in profit from the sale of a personal residence won’t be taxed, or the first $500,000 in the case of a married couple. The tax falls on relatively few — those with high incomes from other sources."



    Health care law's tax hikes are coming: Who pays?
    THE 2 PERCENT

    "Who pays: About 2.5 million households — individuals making more than $200,000 per year, couples $250,000.

    How much: A 0.9 percent Medicare tax on wages above those threshold amounts; an additional 3.8 percent tax on investment income. Should raise $318 billion over 10 years.

    The lowdown: Together these are the biggest tax increase in the health care law.

    For those wealthy enough to owe it, the 3.8 percent investment tax comes on top of the existing 15 percent capital gains rate, which is set to rise to 20 percent next year unless Congress acts.

    Over the years, more and more people will be caught by the new taxes, because the adjusted gross income level that triggers them doesn't rise with inflation.

    But fears that the investment tax will land on m...

    You must be one of the 2%!
    The links you provided prove my point.

    A 3.8 Percent “Sales Tax” on Your Home?
    "Q: Does the new health care law impose a 3.8 percent tax on profits from selling your home?"

    "A: No, with very few exceptions. The first $250,000 in profit from the sale of a personal residence won’t be taxed, or the first $500,000 in the case of a married couple. The tax falls on relatively few — those with high incomes from other sources."



    Health care law's tax hikes are coming: Who pays?
    THE 2 PERCENT

    "Who pays: About 2.5 million households — individuals making more than $200,000 per year, couples $250,000.

    How much: A 0.9 percent Medicare tax on wages above those threshold amounts; an additional 3.8 percent tax on investment income. Should raise $318 billion over 10 years.

    The lowdown: Together these are the biggest tax increase in the health care law.

    For those wealthy enough to owe it, the 3.8 percent investment tax comes on top of the existing 15 percent capital gains rate, which is set to rise to 20 percent next year unless Congress acts.

    Over the years, more and more people will be caught by the new taxes, because the adjusted gross income level that triggers them doesn't rise with inflation.

    But fears that the investment tax will land on most folks' home sales seem overblown — few sellers will be affected. A couple's profit — not sales price — of up to $500,000 from the house they've been living in is exempt from taxes; only gains above that amount are taxed.

    When: 2013"
    (more)
  • Ken LesWagg... 2012/08/18 06:13:03
    Ken
    Like all liberal and progressive idiots all you want to do is blame the 2% who are already paying more than their fair share. The 2% didn't pass tax deduction laws, trust fund laws, subsidies or any exemptions from money grabbing corrupt politicians. I can't understand why people like you attack successful people, many come from poor backgrounds and have worked hard to obtain their wealth? I know there are some people who deserve help, but not 53% of Americans who paid no income tax at all in 2009 or the illegal immigrants who cost America hundreds of billions of dollars each year. Then there are our numerous enemies who accept our dollars to turn around and try to use them to destroy us or the numerous countries who milk us for funds because they think they must be part of our entitlement system.

    I am sorry to disappointment you, but I am a semi-retired person who works to supplement my retirement income which I worked for and earned. I don't envy or am I jealous of people who worked hard for the money they earned. That is the opportunity everyone in America has.
  • LesWagg... Ken 2012/08/18 06:44:11
  • Ken LesWagg... 2012/08/18 16:04:32
    Ken
    Unlike you right?
  • LesWagg... Ken 2012/08/18 19:23:23
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +1
    Are you on Medicare? Do you pay for Part D? If so how much have you paid to cover the donut hole that is eliminated by "Obamacare"?

    My sister and her husband have paid the $600 donut hole since they accepted Medicare D.

    You worked for years to earn what you have and what you are getting. Mitt Romneys income is totally passive yet he probably pays less as a % of his income than you do. Romney is free to vacation 365 days a year while you continue to be tied to a physical job to get what you want or need.
    I'm not jealous of Romneys income but I think he could pay a bit more than the rest of us (98%) to help keep America afloat. I worry about the middle class at home, not just my family. I try to see what is best for the majority.

    When I held a party affiliation it was Republican but as they have moved further to the right I have disagreed with many of their policies, particularly over the last several years. My interest is in economics and the welfare of the nations economy.
    I am retired on SS and a modest pension. Although I help to support a family of ten here in Costa Rica I have no need to work.

    Despite our sometimes sarcastic exchanges I like you for the different perspective that you hold.
  • Ken LesWagg... 2012/08/19 02:21:27 (edited)
    Ken
    +1
    The reason I still work is for health insurance, with my medicare covering the 20% not covered by my work plan. My work insurance also has dental, vision, and a pharmacy plan, so everything is covered but a minimal co-pay. Like you I was a Republican, but instead of leaning left I went the opposite way after seeing how our country was becoming another Eastern Europe. Every day more and more Americans leave the hard working values of our past generations and addict themselves to the need for Government entitilements. Once hooked, many families become stuck in the entitlement dependency for generations to come. Americans are better than that, and while many people are well intentioned in wanting to help others less fortunate, the help has done nothing to improve the lives of people who have no way to get out of the Government web once on it. It is time to try something else to improve their lives and remove them from poverty, once and for all.

    I have also enjoyed being able to debate the differences of our opinions.
  • LesWagg... Ken 2012/08/19 03:23:14
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +1
    Might I suggest you read this article: Romney’s right: Obamacare cuts Medicare by $716 billion. Here’s how.

    So the basic idea is to use the savings on Medicare to get 4,000,000 into the insured health care pool. I think that is heading in the direction that we both want.
  • Ken LesWagg... 2012/08/19 05:51:17
    Ken
    +1
    Thanks for the article, I keep it in my favorites for reference to others, I knew about it and understand what's in the graph. No matter how you explain it, it still takes $700+ billion from Medicare; someone will not get $700+ billion. If you take that money from someone, whoever it might be, it will effect doctors, facilities and patients. If you were a doctor and the Government cut your rates again, what would you do? What if you were a facility? What if you are a patient and neither your doctor or facility any longer accept your Medicare?

    The Affordable Care Act is a complete fiasco, it does nothing but increase taxes and regulations. Those tradeoffs are too much to get care for 4 million people. I agree we need health care reform, but not through the Affordable Care Act, start over and give the people a real health care program. The less the Government is involved in it the better.
  • kevracer 2012/08/16 00:43:16
    kevracer
    it's obvious that Romney is distancing himself from the Ryan Plan
  • twocrows kevracer 2012/08/16 03:54:49
    twocrows
    +2
    yep. he's got his running shoes on. which makes one wonder why he picked Ryan in the first place. once again, he lends credence to my hypothesis that he never intended to win.

    what I still can't figure out is why he ran at all.
  • kevracer twocrows 2012/08/16 17:02:46
    kevracer
    +1
    I just wish once Mitt would explain WHY he wants to be President
  • LesWagg... kevracer 2012/08/18 06:44:59
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +1
    Power hungry.
  • twocrows LesWagg... 2012/08/30 13:46:05
    twocrows
    +1
    and he seems to suffer from the same affliction GW Bush does: "see? I can do better than my daddy did."
  • LesWagg... twocrows 2012/09/02 00:57:11
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    I'm afraid, from what little he has said so far, that we will see a rerun of Bush2.

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