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*Mahogany Goddess 2012/07/05 14:20:27
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Before I hear a bunch of whining Far Rightwing Conservatives; I'm not for Obama either and have already done a post on his failing economic policies.




http://www.barackobama.com/romney/economics/ma-record/ma-reco...


Mitt Romney ran for governor of Massachusetts promising more jobs, decreased debt, and smaller government.

Here’s what Massachusetts got instead:

Watch the video to see why Romney economics didn't work then, and won't work now:

The U.S. economy was growing in 2001 and creating jobs by July 2003. Romney served during a nationwide economic expansion, and when he took office Massachusetts’ unemployment rate had been below the national average for nearly a decade.


But the recovery was slower in Massachusetts: Under Romney, the economy was not at the top or even in the middle, but close to the bottom of all the states. The state lost jobs through the end of 2003, lagging behind the rest of the country by six months. And by the time he left office, the state’s unemployment rate was above the national average.


“As Mitt Romney pursues his bid for the presidency, his record as Massachusetts governor will come under scrutiny, including how the state’s economy performed during his administration. Our analysis reveals a weak comparative economic performance of the state over the Romney years, one of the worst in the country.”

Stagnant job growth:
During Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts fell from 36th to 47th out of 50 states in job creation, while the overall U.S. economy grew. Of the jobs that were created in Massachusetts, state government jobs grew at six times the rate of private sector jobs.

—ANDREW SUM AND JOSEPH MCLAUGHLIN, CENTER FOR LABOR MARKET STUDIES AT NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY
BOSTON GLOBE, 7/29/07

Declining manufacturing:
By the end of Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts had lost more than 40,000 manufacturing jobs—a rate twice the national average.

Higher taxes:
Gove
When he talks about a turnaround, we really haven’t had a turnaround.
—Michael Widmer, president of the nonpartisan Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation
New York Times, 3/16/07

Mitt Romney promised to bring his experience from the corporate boardroom to Massachusetts, the same promise he’s making now as a presidential candidate. But Romney economics isn’t about creating jobs or helping the middle class. By the time Romney left office, state debt had increased, the size of government had grown, and Massachusetts had fallen behind almost every other state in job creation.
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  • Tinka123 2012/07/05 15:55:25 (edited)
    Obama and Romney are the same
    Tinka123
    +8
    Heaven forbid we ever have a president that's actually had to use their own two hands to produce something of value in order to get where they were. Anyone, and I do mean anyone, can become wealthy by playing games with peoples *lives. It's not hard to do. In fact it's the single easiest way to make money.

    There are very few people left in the world that actually produce something of value. And those that do aren't about to sit and be lectured by those that don't. How can politicians who've never taken responsibility for so much as their words, ever understand that? They can't, and that's why our economy is failing.

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  • Lefty 2012/07/09 19:42:00
    Obama is a bit better
    Lefty
    +1
    But I have a feeling Barack will have to extend the Bush tax cuts again, because the republican congress won't remove it just for the wealthiest. They will let it hurt the middle class as well.
  • sjalan 2012/07/09 18:01:40
    Obama is a bit better
    sjalan
    +1
    Romney is a puppet of the New American FASCIST PARTY> ie the Republican/Tea party backed by the Rabid Radical Religious Right and the Billionaire Vulture Capitalist/industrialists.
  • Idiot repubs 2012/07/09 12:00:23
    Other
    Idiot repubs
    +3
    Obama is far better
  • Pat 2012/07/09 07:47:58
    Obama is a bit better
    Pat
    +3
    How anyone can say that Romney and Obama are the same is beyond me. There are clear differences. In fact, they couldn't be farther apart. Obama has the right idea. Romney's got the same mindset as Reagan and Bush, the guys who got us into this mess. His plan hasn't worked in the past and won't work not.
  • jimrthy BN-0 2012/07/07 07:40:48
    Obama and Romney are the same
    jimrthy BN-0
    +1
    They both seem to believe that big business and big government creates the answer.
  • Lee jimrthy... 2012/07/13 21:57:30 (edited)
    Lee
    They are not the same at all.

    Mitt Romney wears magic underwear.


    thinks protects evil brings president wears magic underwear country direction
  • CrazyDeen0 2012/07/06 14:22:10
    Obama and Romney are the same
    CrazyDeen0
    +1
    Different puppets, same puppet masters.
  • FeedFwd 2012/07/06 14:12:41 (edited)
    Other
    FeedFwd
    +1
    Obama is quite a bit worse. Both are statists and the difference is in the degree they adopt statist ideas and in who their cronies are.
  • Lee FeedFwd 2012/07/14 23:12:30
    Lee
    Mighty M*tt is full of Sh*t
  • LibertyCaroline 2012/07/06 03:16:41
    Obama and Romney are the same
    LibertyCaroline
    +2
    Ron Paul 2012, restore America now.
  • FeedFwd Liberty... 2012/07/06 14:21:07
    FeedFwd
    +2
    Sorry sister. That ship left the harbor and not enough people got on board.
  • Liberty... FeedFwd 2012/07/07 13:50:48
    LibertyCaroline
    +2
    That "ship" has done nothing but grow, it's more than the man, it's the message.
  • FeedFwd Liberty... 2012/07/07 17:18:21
    FeedFwd
    +2
    It still has a lot of growing to do. It needs to reach the point where it isn't considered fringe or radical by a majority, even if it isn't fully embraced by a majority. I'm working to push the message forward, so I am with you in that respect. It is a race to see if liberty will be restored before or after it is necessary to have a complete revolution. I'm not laying odds on that, one way or the other. :(
  • MarinerFH 2012/07/06 02:59:53
    Other
    MarinerFH
    +1
    Romney will be a lot like Warren Harding who got America out of our worst Depression ever in less than 1.5 years. How? By Lowering Taxes and Cutting Spending.
  • FeedFwd MarinerFH 2012/07/06 14:23:49
    FeedFwd
    +2
    Let's hope so. I'd settle for draconian cuts in spending and elimination of uncertainty about taxes.
  • MarinerFH FeedFwd 2012/07/06 18:18:56
    MarinerFH
    +1
    The Libs here don't understand the economies of taxes. If the top rate goes over 70%, as Obama wants, then those people put their money elsewhere, not into the economy.

    Warren Harding dropped the top rate from 78% to 15% and taxes actually received by the government dramatically increased.

    Why? When one invests and makes a profit, s/he actually received only 22 cents out of every dollar earned, but when s/he loses, s/he loses the entire dollar. So from 1916-1920 large investors purchased tax free municipal bonds, which did nothing to help the economy or create jobs. After Harding's tax cuts, those people moved their money into investments that stimulated the economy and created jobs.
  • FeedFwd MarinerFH 2012/07/06 18:51:09
    FeedFwd
    +1
    JFK understood and saw similar results. Sometimes the dynamic effect is muted by uncertainty and sometimes it takes a bit longer than a few weeks or months, but the effect is real. Saw it with Reagan's tax cuts and Bush tax cuts. Liberals tend to focus on deficits than tax revenues. When spending goes up, deficits may go up in spite of increasing revenues. Taxes are also hard to evaluate since there are so many of them and different people are affected differently by different taxes.
  • MarinerFH FeedFwd 2012/07/07 00:39:03
    MarinerFH
    +1
    One problem is that Progressive and Liberal politicians want to show they are "doing something" so they can get reelected. Problem is most of what they do has negative consequences.

    Harding realized that cutting taxes and spending, then doing nothing, was the best thing he could do. In that case, "Less was More". He let the free market economy work with as few fetters as possible. Coolidge carried in the same manner after Harding died. Then along came Progressive Republican Hoover to muck up the works, followed by FDR, perhaps the worst POTUS of the 20th Century.

    BTW, I am not a fan of JFK. He was mediocre at best.
  • FeedFwd MarinerFH 2012/07/07 01:58:17
    FeedFwd
    +2
    I don't disagree with you. FDR had some competiton considering LBJ, Carter, and Wilson. I was no fan of JFK, either.... only pointing out that he managed to get a tax cut and revenues went up. Imagine that.
  • MarinerFH FeedFwd 2012/07/07 01:59:41
    MarinerFH
    +2
    Yes, we are in agreement. Sorry if I seemed to be arguing. I can get carried away at times.
  • FeedFwd MarinerFH 2012/07/07 02:04:11
    FeedFwd
    +2
    no problemo... I do the same, sometimes.
  • Lee FeedFwd 2012/07/13 22:09:08 (edited)
    Lee
    Tax cuts and increased government spending can indeed stimulate the economy.

    But in Reagan's case, the economic recovery was caused by the plummeting price of world oil, not his policies. Cheap energy stimulates the economy like nothing else.

    caused plummeting price world oil policies cheap energy stimulates economy

    His polices succeeded in Tripling the national debt, something that had never happened before except during wartime.
  • Lee FeedFwd 2012/07/13 22:01:45 (edited)
    Lee
    mariner is totally full of sh*t . . . but you just keep hoping. Harding was the very worst President of the 20th century. Ever heard of teapot dome? And the recession following WWI was hardly a Depression. Taxes had been raised during the war and naturally spending increased during the war as well. With reduced military spending came the recession.By the way, mariner got his phony info from the Cato institute, a phony think tank funded by the Koch brothers.

    Here's a link to a more accurate description of events.

    http://my.firedoglake.com/cap...

    Oh by the way, did you know that Mitt Romney wears magic underwear?

    He thinks it protects him against evil.

    And that brings up a question. Do we really want a President who wears magic underwear?

    Do we want the nation to go in that direction?

    thinks protects evil brings president wears magic underwear nation direction
  • banzaib... MarinerFH 2012/07/09 16:49:29
    banzaibuckaroo
    +2
    then we crashed harder in 1930's after the Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act
  • MarinerFH banzaib... 2012/07/09 17:11:56
    MarinerFH
    Yes, Calvin Coolidge picked up the ball after Harding's death and did a good job. Then in 1928, Progressive Republican Herbert Hoover was elected. His policies, and the creation of the Fed and easy money (95% margins on stocks) helped bring about the Stock Market Crash of 1929, causing a deep Recession.

    Pro-labor policies pushed by President Herbert Hoover after the stock market crash of 1929 accounted for close to two-thirds of the drop in the nation's gross domestic product over the two years that followed, causing what might otherwise have been a bad recession to slip into the Great Depression.

    The policies, which included both propping up wages and encouraging job-sharing, also accounted for more than two-thirds of the precipitous decline in hours worked in the manufacturing sector, which was much harder hit initially than the agricultural sector.

    Hoover's approach is unlikely to be considered today as a means of responding to economic crisis, but it does illustrate the perils of ill-conceived government policies in times of economic upheaval and confusion.

    Then came Progressive FDR who took Hoover's Depression and FDR caused it to become the Great Depression.

    Each Progressive POTUS since has done further damage to America.
  • banzaib... MarinerFH 2012/07/11 17:22:31 (edited)
    banzaibuckaroo
    Stop with your political party rhetoric, because both of them are at fault.

    Deficits/Surpluses From 1940 Until 2012 (*fiscal years)

    1* - Presidential control
    2* - Senate control
    3* - House control

    D = Democrat R = Republican

    Year Nominal Dollars Inflation Adjusted 1 2 3000

    1940 $2.9 Billion Deficit $47.54 Billion Deficit D D D

    1941 $4.9 Billion Deficit $76.56 Billion Deficit D D D

    1942 $20.5 Billion Deficit $288.73 Billion Deficit D D D

    1943 $54.6 Billion Deficit $728 Billion Deficit D D D

    1944 $47.6 Billion Deficit $618.18 Billion Deficit D D D

    1945 $47.6 Billion Deficit $610.26 Billion Deficit D D D

    1946 $15.9 Billion Deficit $187.06 Billion Deficit D D D

    1947 $4 Billion Surplus $41.24 Billion Surplus D R R

    1948 $11.8 Billion Surplus$112.38 Billion Surplus D R R

    1949 $0.6 Billion Surplus $5.77 Billion Surplus D D D

    1950 $3.1 Billion Deficit $29.52 Billion Deficit D D D

    1951 $6.1 Billion Surplus $53.98 Billion Surplus D D D

    1952 $1.5 Billion Deficit $12.93 Billion Deficit D D D

    1953 $6.5 Billion Deficit $56.03 Billion Deficit R R D

    1954 $1.2 Billion Deficit $10.26 Billion Deficit R R D

    1955 $3 Billion Deficit $25.64 Billion Deficit R D D

    1956 $3.9 Billion Surplus $32.77 Billion Surplus R D D

    1957 $3.4 Billion Surplus $27.64 Billion Surplus R D D

    1958 $2.8 Billion Deficit $22...











































































































    Stop with your political party rhetoric, because both of them are at fault.

    Deficits/Surpluses From 1940 Until 2012 (*fiscal years)

    1* - Presidential control
    2* - Senate control
    3* - House control

    D = Democrat R = Republican

    Year Nominal Dollars Inflation Adjusted 1 2 3000

    1940 $2.9 Billion Deficit $47.54 Billion Deficit D D D

    1941 $4.9 Billion Deficit $76.56 Billion Deficit D D D

    1942 $20.5 Billion Deficit $288.73 Billion Deficit D D D

    1943 $54.6 Billion Deficit $728 Billion Deficit D D D

    1944 $47.6 Billion Deficit $618.18 Billion Deficit D D D

    1945 $47.6 Billion Deficit $610.26 Billion Deficit D D D

    1946 $15.9 Billion Deficit $187.06 Billion Deficit D D D

    1947 $4 Billion Surplus $41.24 Billion Surplus D R R

    1948 $11.8 Billion Surplus$112.38 Billion Surplus D R R

    1949 $0.6 Billion Surplus $5.77 Billion Surplus D D D

    1950 $3.1 Billion Deficit $29.52 Billion Deficit D D D

    1951 $6.1 Billion Surplus $53.98 Billion Surplus D D D

    1952 $1.5 Billion Deficit $12.93 Billion Deficit D D D

    1953 $6.5 Billion Deficit $56.03 Billion Deficit R R D

    1954 $1.2 Billion Deficit $10.26 Billion Deficit R R D

    1955 $3 Billion Deficit $25.64 Billion Deficit R D D

    1956 $3.9 Billion Surplus $32.77 Billion Surplus R D D

    1957 $3.4 Billion Surplus $27.64 Billion Surplus R D D

    1958 $2.8 Billion Deficit $22.22 Billion Deficit R D D

    1959 $12.8 Billion Deficit $100.79 Billion Deficit R D D

    1960 $0.3 Billion Surplus $2.33 Billion Surplus R D D

    1961 $3.3 Billion Deficit $25.38 Billion Deficit D D D

    1962 $7.1 Billion Deficit $53.79 Billion Deficit D D D

    1963 $4.8 Billion Deficit $36.09 Billion Deficit D D D

    1964 $5.9 Billion Deficit $43.7 Billion Deficit D D D

    1965 $1.4 Billion Deficit $10.22 Billion Deficit D D D

    1966 $3.7 Billion Deficit $26.24 Billion Deficit D D D

    1967 $8.6 Billion Deficit $58.9 Billion Deficit D D D

    1968 $25.2 Billion Deficit $165.79 Billion Deficit D D D

    1969 $3.2 Billion Surplus $20 Billion Surplus R D D

    1970 $2.8 Billion Deficit $16.57 Billion Deficit R D D

    1971 $23 Billion Deficit $129.94 Billion Deficit R D D

    1972 $23.4 Billion Deficit $128.57 Billion Deficit R D D

    1973 $14.9 Billion Deficit $76.8 Billion Deficit R D D

    1974 $6.1 Billion Deficit $28.37 Billion Deficit R D D

    1975 $53.2 Billion Deficit $226.38 Billion Deficit R D D

    1976 $73.7 Billion Deficit $297.18 Billion Deficit R D D

    1977 $53.7 Billion Deficit $203.41 Billion Deficit D D D

    1978 $59.2 Billion Deficit $208.45 Billion Deficit D D D

    1979 $40.7 Billion Deficit $128.39 Billion Deficit D D D

    1980 $73.8 Billion Deficit $205.57 Billion Deficit D D D

    1981 $79 Billion Deficit $199.49 Billion Deficit R R D

    1982 $128 Billion Deficit $304.04 Billion Deficit R R D

    1983 $207.8 Billion Deficit $478.8 Billion Deficit R R D

    1984 $185.4 Billion Deficit $409.27 Billion Deficit R R D

    1985 $212.3 Billion Deficit $452.67 Billion Deficit R R D

    1986 $221.2 Billion Deficit $462.76 Billion Deficit R R D

    1987 $149.7 Billion Deficit $302.42 Billion Deficit R D D

    1988 $155.2 Billion Deficit $300.78 Billion Deficit R D D

    1989 $152.5 Billion Deficit $281.89 Billion Deficit R D D

    1990 $221.2 Billion Deficit $388.07 Billion Deficit R D D

    1991 $269.3 Billion Deficit $453.37 Billion Deficit R D D

    1992 $290.4 Billion Deficit $474.51 Billion Deficit R D D

    1993 $255.1 Billion Deficit $404.92 Billion Deficit D D D

    1994 $203.2 Billion Deficit $314.55 Billion Deficit D D D

    1995 $164 Billion Deficit $246.62 Billion Deficit D R R

    1996 $107.5 Billion Deficit $157.16 Billion Deficit D R R

    1997 $22 Billion Deficit $31.43 Billion Deficit D R R

    1998 $69.2 Billion Surplus $97.33 Billion Surplus D R R

    1999 $125.6 Billion Surplus $172.76 Billion Surplus D R R

    2000 $236.4 Billion Surplus $314.78 Billion Surplus D R R

    2001 $127.3 Billion Surplus $164.9 Billion Surplus R D R

    2002 $157.8 Billion Deficit $201.02 Billion Deficit R D R

    2003 $374 Billion Deficit $466.33 Billion Deficit R R R

    2004 $413 Billion Deficit $501.21 Billion Deficit R R R

    2005 $319 Billion Deficit $374.41 Billion Deficit R R R

    2006 $248 Billion Deficit $282.14 Billion Deficit R R R

    2007 $162 Billion Deficit $179.2 Billion Deficit R D D

    2008 $455 Billion Deficit $484.56 Billion Deficit R D D

    2009 $1416 Billion Deficit $1512.82 Billion Deficit D D D

    2010 $1294 Billion Deficit $1360.67 Billion Deficit D D D

    2011 $1299 Billion Deficit $1324.16 Billion Deficit D D R

    2012 $1330 Billion Deficit $1330 Billion Deficit D D R
    (more)
  • MarinerFH banzaib... 2012/07/12 00:26:51 (edited)
    MarinerFH
    Looks like someone is cooking the books.
  • banzaib... MarinerFH 2012/07/12 00:46:14 (edited)
  • Lee banzaib... 2012/07/13 22:13:26
    Lee
    +1
    Right Wing nut jobs have an extremely difficult time accepting facts.
  • banzaib... Lee 2012/07/13 22:42:46
    banzaibuckaroo
    I"m not a righty or lefty, but you're right on your assessment on this one.
  • Lee banzaib... 2012/07/13 22:44:40
    Lee
    +1
    I consider myself a Moderate . . . but the RWNJ's on SodaHead call me a socialist.

    For them, anybody with any sense is a Socialist.
  • banzaib... Lee 2012/07/14 05:24:54
    banzaibuckaroo
    +1
    I get that all the time on this site.
  • Wyzard 2012/07/06 00:45:19
    Romney is a bit better
    Wyzard
    +1
    Obama is a disgrace to the human race!
  • *Mahoga... Wyzard 2012/07/06 00:52:46
    *Mahogany Goddess
    +2
    Stop saying the same thing; you have yet to say something of significance.
  • Wyzard *Mahoga... 2012/07/06 00:54:33
    Wyzard
    Obama is a disgrace to the human race!
  • *Mahoga... Wyzard 2012/07/06 00:58:48
    *Mahogany Goddess
    +3
    Your mediocre responses is a disgrace to humanity!
  • MarinerFH *Mahoga... 2012/07/09 17:12:15
    MarinerFH
    Nor have you.
  • *Mahoga... MarinerFH 2012/07/09 17:17:48
    *Mahogany Goddess
    Don't start Marine; he repeated the same thing repeatedly on each of my post and did it again on this one. Know what is happening before jumping to conclusions.
  • MarinerFH *Mahoga... 2012/07/09 17:37:18
    MarinerFH
    +1
    Have a nice day.
  • *Mahoga... MarinerFH 2012/07/09 17:37:58
    *Mahogany Goddess
    +1
    You too.

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