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Romney did not take Obama's "you didn't build that" speech out of context - An English Lesson for the White House!

Ken 2012/07/25 01:33:53

An English
Lesson for the White House





The following is the exact transcript of President
Obama's “You didn't build that!” speech, taken from
whitehouse.gov (full link below):


There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans
who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They
know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t
get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own.
I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I
was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there.
It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me
tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people
out there.


If you were successful, somebody along the line
gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your
life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system
that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads
and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.

Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on
its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the
companies could make money off the Internet.”


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks...





Rule of
Construction in the English Language:
The
antecedent
to a pronoun is the word (a noun) for which the pronoun stands.


http://www.towson.edu/ows/pro_antagree.htm





Now, take a look at
these two sentences from Obama's speech, admittedly taken out of
context for the purpose of this analysis:




If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build
that. Somebody else made
that happen.”


Question: What
is the antecedent of the pronoun “
that
in the above sentences? It's obviously the noun “business.”


But the claim is that the sentences were taken
out of context, so let's look also at the previous sentence and see if
there's another candidate (or candidates) for the antecedent of
“that” in the sentences we're considering:


Somebody
invested in roads and bridges.
If you’ve got a business -- you
didn’t build
that.
Somebody else made
that happen.”


Next Question: What
is/are the next candidate(s), if any, for the antecedent of “
that
in the sentences in question? Possibly the two nouns, “roads and
bridges” in the previous sentence?

Does taking the “you didn't build that
and “somebody else made
that
happen” sentences out of context actually change their meaning, the real
meaning being the two "
thats" refer
back to “roads and bridges”? Not at all, because of a pretty
well-known rule of construction in the English Language, one that
even a graduate of Columbia and Harvard Law (and all of his Ivy League educated speech-writers) must know:


Rule of Construction in the English Language:The
pronoun must agree with its antecedent in number. . .

A singular pronoun must replace a singular noun; a plural pronoun
must replace a plural noun.”


http://www.towson.edu/ows/pro_antagree.htm


Simply put,
“roads and bridges” cannot be the antecedent of the pronoun
that” because “that” is singular, and two nouns
cannot properly be the antecedents of a singular pronoun. If Mr.
Obama had intended that the pronoun he was choosing refer back to
“roads and bridges”, he would/should have used the plural pronoun
“those.”


Thus the segment
in question would have read as follows had it been Mr. Obama's
actual intent to refer back to roads and bridges:


Somebody
invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you
didn’t build those. Somebody else made those happen.”


But he didn't!
So despite all of the wailing, gnashing of teeth and screaming from
the left (the self-anointed “intellectuals” among us!) that the
sentence Mitt Romney accurately quoted in a speech of his own
was “taken out of context,” we are left with the meaning Mr.
Obama obviously intended - he said what he meant when he told small business
entrepreneurs across the land, “If you've got a business – you didn't build
that.”

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  • Steve Fuller 2012/08/29 12:18:55
    Steve Fuller
    +2
    Great - so, at great and detailed length, you've pointed out Obama's grammatical error. What you have not done is demonstrate that he meant to say what you want him to have said. Next?
  • Ken Steve F... 2012/08/29 15:41:56
    Ken
    And you know "what he meant to say" because? The man is obviously in favor of big government controlling businesses. If you read "The Amateur", written by a bona fide liberal (Ed Klein, former editor of Newsweek and the NY Times magazine), Obama told a group of historians he invited to dinner at the White House that he prefers a "corporatist" society, with the economy managed from the top by a combination of corporations, government and labor unions - i.e. exactly what Mussolini had in Italy and called "Fascism."
  • Steve F... Ken 2012/09/12 06:55:49
    Steve Fuller
    I "know" what he meant to say because no rational/savvy politician would commit political suicide by saying what you have tried to portray ad nauseam here. I "know" because of the context and content of the speech. I "know" because I am not so blinded by my own dogma as to (mis)interpret it so willfully as you do. I "know" because sheer common sense tells me. Your (selective) introduction of his other remarks (not to mention what must qualify as Godwin's Law 2.0 by equating them with Mussolini/fascism) does nothing to support your excitable, obsessive and utterly wishful thinking (mis)interpretation.
  • Ken Steve F... 2012/09/12 16:47:23
    Ken
    You "know" nothing of the sort - what you have is sheer conjecture, nothing more.
  • Ken Steve F... 2012/09/12 16:46:26
    Ken
    On the contrary, I have proved what he actually said, i.e. that "you did not build that" could only have referred back to "if you built a business." You, on the other hand, are surmising what was in his mind and what he intended to say.
  • Buddy 2012/08/14 14:04:47
    Buddy
    +3
    I love how the context is given, and people still can't see it.
  • Charles R. Anderson 2012/07/26 00:59:52
    Charles R. Anderson
    +2
    Obama's argument is ridiculous. 1) He asserts that those who build a business have done little that anyone else cannot do. Yet most businesses fail within a few years and most people are unwilling to take the risk to start their own business, or if they do, they invest little in it. 2) Obama implies that those who have done well in business pay little in taxes. This is highly false. They already pay much more than their share. The top 1% of taxpayers paid 36.7% of all income taxes in 2009. The top 5% paid 58.7% of all income taxes. 3) Obama implies that most of the federal spending is on things that aid businesses in their operations. In fact only about 30% of federal spending might be construed to fit that qualification and still less of any additional money spent by the federal government would fit that requirement. Local and state governments might do very slightly better. 4) Obama fails utterly to give due recognition to the fact that businesses provide jobs, goods, services, and ideas that make all of our lives better and more interesting. 5) Businessmen are paying back even before they pay a dime in taxes. What is more, they also pay heavy taxes of many other kinds as well. Businesses pay heavy property taxes for instance.

    I had more to say about that ...
    Obama's argument is ridiculous. 1) He asserts that those who build a business have done little that anyone else cannot do. Yet most businesses fail within a few years and most people are unwilling to take the risk to start their own business, or if they do, they invest little in it. 2) Obama implies that those who have done well in business pay little in taxes. This is highly false. They already pay much more than their share. The top 1% of taxpayers paid 36.7% of all income taxes in 2009. The top 5% paid 58.7% of all income taxes. 3) Obama implies that most of the federal spending is on things that aid businesses in their operations. In fact only about 30% of federal spending might be construed to fit that qualification and still less of any additional money spent by the federal government would fit that requirement. Local and state governments might do very slightly better. 4) Obama fails utterly to give due recognition to the fact that businesses provide jobs, goods, services, and ideas that make all of our lives better and more interesting. 5) Businessmen are paying back even before they pay a dime in taxes. What is more, they also pay heavy taxes of many other kinds as well. Businesses pay heavy property taxes for instance.

    I had more to say about that Somebody Else who Obama says built my business: http://www.blogger.com/blogge...
    (more)
  • Ken Charles... 2012/07/26 01:14:40
    Ken
    +2
    You are right Charles. Statistics on the Small Business Administration site indicate that 25% of new businesses fail within the first year, 50% have failed by the end of the 5th year.

    The Obama administration implemented over 3,800 new regulations in 2011 alone, and it is estimated they will cost the economy $105 billion!

    Isaac Newton once said, "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants." That certainly doesn't mean that Newton wasn't responsible for what Stephen Hawking has called the greatest work in the history of science, "The Principia."
  • Rebel Yell 2012/07/25 14:25:33
    Rebel Yell
    +1
    Good Lord. Now we get a grammar lesson on SODA.

    I get what Obama was saying. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that he was promoting community involvement to keep jobs alive and well , interconnected, and help Amercia on the mend.

    Apple's Steve Jobs comes to mind. He built a world wide business all by himself . Right? Most people would agree with that. The truth is the iPad would be useless without a satellite system and the micro computer would not exist without micro technology... both developed and funded by NASA and our Defense Dept.... both government agencies.

    MItt is flapping his jaws, attempting to detract from his tax evasion problems. Not working. People want to see those returns.
  • Ken Rebel Yell 2012/07/25 15:48:16
    Ken
    "Community involvement???" That's what you got from Obama actually claiming the success of entrepreneurs is all a gift of the government?

    Actually it was Bell Laboratories that developed the technology that led to semiconductor devices. Regarding Steve Jobs, why was he the only one, among three-hundred million Americans, who created Apple? (Along with Steve Wozniak, of course!)

    What "tax evasion" problems would those be??? There is not a whit of evidence that Mitt Romney "evaded" paying any taxes. FYI, almost the entire Kennedy fortune (amassed by a bootlegger during Prohibition!) is sequestered in a trust located in the Fiji Islands -- and never a word of it from the MSM while Jack, Bobby, Teddy, and Bobby Jr. were running for office. Double standard anyone?
  • Rebel Yell Ken 2012/07/25 21:35:14
    Rebel Yell
    Ah, so you admit Steve Jobs had help.... according to you, Bell Labs. So glad you agree!Steve Jobs had roads to carry his products to market , laws that kept others from stealing his ideas, well educated computer geeks to help his dreams come true through test and revision and customers with incomes to purchase his products. Steve had lots of help .

    Henry Ford didn't build Ford Motor Company alone and Ray Croc didn't build McDonald's alone and Papa John's didn't build Papa John's Pizza all by himself. They conceived of an idea and with other people's assistance, they brought it to life. Obama nailed that concept beautifully when he said...

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
  • Rebel Yell Rebel Yell 2012/07/25 21:37:01
    Rebel Yell
    +1
    Romney, in Toledo, July 18....."

    ROMNEY: I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this. Did you build your business?

    There you go! Romney agrees with the President, too !
  • Ken Rebel Yell 2012/07/25 22:10:16
    Ken
    +1
    No, he doesn't - Barack Obama is saying the government is responsible and Romney pointed to investors, lenders, parents and then school teachers. A big difference. And when he asks the rhetorical question, "Did you build your business?", the answer is a resounding "YES."
  • Buddy Ken 2012/08/14 13:43:03
    Buddy
    +2
    You mean you couldn't read that part where Obama said "There was a great teacher somewhere in your life."? Because Obama pointed to teachers right there. He also said, and I quote "Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system we have that allowed you to thrive." He's even saying that America itself had a lot of help in order to get to where it is. Where the hell do you see Obama laying responsibility solely on the government? Because I don't see it.
  • Ken Buddy 2012/08/14 20:59:25 (edited)
    Ken
    “Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Who but the government builds "roads and bridges?" And the folks who did build their own businesses were also among the taxpayers who "invested in" them!

    Maybe you haven't read it yet, but according to Ed Klein (a bona fide liberal and former editor of Newsweek and New York Times Magazine) Obama told a group of noteworthy liberal historians that he invited to dinner at the White House that he preferred a "corporatist" political system:

    "Going back to the historians, he [Obama] told them that he preferred a
    corporatist political system in which the economy would be collectively
    managed by big employers, big unions, and government officials through a formal mechanism at the nation level. Also known as state capitalism, it is a system in which the government picks winners and promotes economic growth. That was a favorite approach for Mussolini and his Fascists." Ed Klein, "The Amateur, Barack Obama in the White House," Chapter 6.

    So there you have it from Obama's own mouth - he prefers a centrally-managed "corporatist" economy over the free market. Knowing that, his comments that "you didn't build that" make a lot of sense.
  • Buddy Ken 2012/08/21 05:06:37
    Buddy
    Well actually, there we have it from your mouth supposedly through Ed Klein's mouth, supposedly through Obama's mouth, considering you failed to provide references. Go ahead though, try to derail the topic.
  • Ken Buddy 2012/08/21 17:50:26 (edited)
    Ken
    Ed Klein is a bona fide liberal, former editor of Newsweek magazine and the New York Times magazine, he would have no reason to make it up. The dinner Obama held for the liberal historians is a matter of record, the only missing link is the name of the historian who is quoted, who only spoke on condition of anonymity. It's not from "my mouth," it's in quotes, indicating it is what Ed Klein has written, based upon what was told him by those who were in attendance. You can choose to believe what you want, but this is obviously a credible source.

    There is also the evidence of Obama's move toward implementing a corporatist society in the U.S., with the large shares of GM and Chrysler that he gave to the labor unions as part of the bailout, while screwing the bondholders who held a secured interest. So we now have two of the largest manufacturers in the nation jointly owned by corporations, unions, and the government. Is that all just a coincidence with a president who says he favors a "corporatist political system"?
  • Ken Rebel Yell 2012/07/25 22:07:23 (edited)
    Ken
    +2
    Steve Jobs had partners. As Isaac Newton said, "If I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

    Of course none of us starts over from scratch, civilization has been building for centuries - one could claim that a watchmaker owes thanks to the prehistoric inventor of the wheel. But you and Obama miss the point. First, those entrepreneurs also paid taxes that helped to build the streets and infrastructure. Second, if the successful business persons got so much help, why aren't there more of them? Instead the risk-averse wait until the entrepreneur creates jobs and then attempt to unionize them - a risk-free situation.

    The elements that you and Obama are missing are risk-taking, initiative, imagination, perseverance and hard work. Successful business men and women are to be congratulated, not derided!

    If we take the area of his speech referring to successful businesses in total context, consider this passage that immediately precedes the one we've been discussing:

    ".. . {L]ook, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let...

    Steve Jobs had partners. As Isaac Newton said, "If I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

    Of course none of us starts over from scratch, civilization has been building for centuries - one could claim that a watchmaker owes thanks to the prehistoric inventor of the wheel. But you and Obama miss the point. First, those entrepreneurs also paid taxes that helped to build the streets and infrastructure. Second, if the successful business persons got so much help, why aren't there more of them? Instead the risk-averse wait until the entrepreneur creates jobs and then attempt to unionize them - a risk-free situation.

    The elements that you and Obama are missing are risk-taking, initiative, imagination, perseverance and hard work. Successful business men and women are to be congratulated, not derided!

    If we take the area of his speech referring to successful businesses in total context, consider this passage that immediately precedes the one we've been discussing:

    ".. . {L]ook, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there."

    You may disagree, but I find that utterly demeaning to the people who create between 60 and 80 percent of the new jobs in this country.
    (more)
  • Charles... Rebel Yell 2012/07/26 01:04:40
    Charles R. Anderson
    +1
    And what fraction of the federal budget went to providing those services that are of use to businesses and what fraction is simply extorted money from businesses so politicians can buy votes? Defense, the 30% of roads not covered by the gasoline tax, the federal court system, and the few other useful things the government does are generously only 30% of the budget. Wealthy businessmen are already paying enough to cover those legitimate costs of government.
  • Charles... Ken 2012/07/26 03:01:19
    Charles R. Anderson
    +1
    The first producer of the first solid-state integrated circuit is important, but so are the many hundreds, perhaps thousands, of other companies that have played roles in improving and advancing solid-state electronics devices. My laboratory has done extensive work aiding such companies in their materials issues related to R&D, processing advances, failure analysis, quality control, detection of intellectual property theft, and much more. Almost all of this work, for many decades now, has been performed by private companies.
  • Ken Charles... 2012/07/26 03:11:35
    Ken
    +1
    I was once involved in a case in which a Schlumberger facility in Silicone Valley was a party, a semi-conductor production plant. That was back in the mid to late 80s but I know they were manufacturing integrated circuits even then, and they were in a race with other producers to develop the fastest computing chips - that's why we've advance so rapidly in the computer era, private enterprise in competition, not the government!.
  • Tarheel Rebel Yell 2012/07/25 20:49:26
    Tarheel
    +2
    No, it doesn't take a rocket scientist...just more sense that what I've been seeing, in regards, to this issue. I understood what he said and what he meant. I think you post is excellent and spot on.
  • The Libertarian 2012/07/25 12:00:42
    The Libertarian
    +2
    Your analysis is correct and logical

    Mr Spock logical
  • Hawkeye 2012/07/25 10:57:00
    Hawkeye
    +2
    A very obvious and CORRECT analysis that exposes the extent of OBAMA'S predelection towards LYING when he says that he didn't say what the American people CLEARLY heard..

    It ALSO shows the extent of his followers to blindly FOLLOW this Man to whatever destination he leads them..

    The problem here is that not ONLY did he say these things but they are consistant with Obama's Anti Business Campaign of villification,, scorn and derision that he has engaged in since LONG before he even thought about going into Politics..

    THIS is where the Media and their Hardline Left Wing Bias works against someone like an Obama..

    NOBODY believes the lies of Obama MORE then THEY do and NOBODY believes the lies of that Media more then Obama does.. He buys into the HUGE success of his campaign touted by the Media.. He actually BELIEVES that he has the VAST majority of Americans behind him in his attacks on SUCCESS in AMerica and when he acts and speaks accordingly and the American people HOWL in protest he is left with nothing but further insults aimed at the American People by claiming they are TOO stupid to KNOW what he said.. ..
  • urwutuis 2012/07/25 06:19:33
  • Hawkeye urwutuis 2012/07/25 10:59:45
    Hawkeye
    +4
    It is OBVIOUS to one who blindly supports Obama but to everybody else.. We KNOW what he said and we KNOW what he meant..

    " YOU have a successful Business,, YOU didn't build that"..

    It is no more taken out of context then,,

    "God Damn America"...
  • urwutuis Hawkeye 2012/07/25 21:37:31
    urwutuis
    Believe what you like.
  • Hawkeye urwutuis 2012/07/25 22:11:58
    Hawkeye
    +1
    Why THANK you.. I feel SO much better now that I have your permission..
  • Steve F... Hawkeye 2012/09/12 07:00:29
    Steve Fuller
    How old are you?
  • Hawkeye Steve F... 2012/09/12 10:01:33
    Hawkeye
    +1
    OLD enough to know the difference between truth and BS.. OLD enough to knoew that if the left has to reconstruct the sentence to mean other then was intended,, it's BS..
  • Ken urwutuis 2012/07/25 15:51:57
    Ken
    And you know that it is a distortion of "intended meaning" how? You know Obama "was obviously referring to the roads and bridges", how? Apparently you are a mind-reader, correct?
  • urwutuis Ken 2012/07/25 21:47:32
    urwutuis
    Yes
  • Hawkeye urwutuis 2012/07/25 22:15:09
    Hawkeye
    +1
    IF he was talking about roads and bridges he would have said "You didn't Build THEM" NOT That.. And he would have connected the two..

    THIS guy's supposed to be the greatest most talented speaker in the History of mankind.. YOU mean to say that he doesn't even know 5th grade grammer??
  • Ken Hawkeye 2012/07/25 23:56:20
    Ken
    Right! "Them," or "those," not "that1"
  • urwutuis Hawkeye 2012/07/25 23:56:23
    urwutuis
    The entire point was that nobody did it alone no matter how much they like to believe they did. Within that context you don't have to be a mystic and everybody fails 5th grade grammar at some point. Things are not always how they sound. The "Don't, stop" protest et al

    I busted my ass building my business without borrowing a dime from anyone but I understand that other people helped make it possible including the people who worked for me.
  • Ken urwutuis 2012/07/26 00:02:03
    Ken
    I'm sure no successful person would ever deny that he/she could not have done it without the infrastructure provided by society, infrastructure that they, as taxpayers, helped pay for. On the other hand, union members and other employees of successful businesses never took the risk, never put in the time, to create a business of their own - they rely on the successful businesses for jobs to support their families. Obama was denigrating the successful people in our society, there's no other way to spin it -- how else can you read this passage:

    " I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there."
  • urwutuis Ken 2012/07/26 05:52:31
  • Hawkeye urwutuis 2012/07/26 08:01:50
    Hawkeye
    +1
    There IS a Difference and I say that NOT because of the partties that the people we're talking about happen to belong to..

    They actually had to EDIT what Romney said to make it sound unacceptable..

    In Obama's case they have to edit what HE said to make it acceptable..
  • urwutuis Hawkeye 2012/07/26 22:57:33
  • Hawkeye urwutuis 2012/07/27 00:13:48
    Hawkeye
    To YOU any type of BS taste just fine..

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