Role of government: what should it be?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/15 17:18:46
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It’s official: when we choose a President this fall, we will also
choose a theory on the role of government. The putative President and
the Mayor of New York both said it this week. Voters need to hear and
understand exactly what they said and what this means.

What Obama and Bloomberg said

Yesterday, Barack H. Obama traveled to Cleveland, Ohio. He gave a
rambling and almost petulant speech in this historic “battleground”
State. Mostly he said, “It’s all Bush’s fault,” or something amounting
to that. (Maybe he had read this Gallup Poll. Katie Pavlich has some other numbers that should set that record straight.)

But Obama said one thing worth hearing. The New York Times had two reporters on the ground to hear it:

Your vote will finally determine the path that we take as a nation — not just tomorrow, but for years to come.

In other words, Obama said that you will vote for more than a
President (or to be technical, Presidential Electors). You will vote for
a role of government. You will vote whether government will be your
nanny or your monitor and arbiter.

If you doubt that, Mayor Mike Bloomberg should remove that doubt.
Last week he made a rule that no convenience store, movie candy counter,
etc., could sell you a drink larger than 16 ounces. Soft drink bottlers
then took out a full page ad in the Times showing Bloomberg as “The Nanny.” (Or maybe as the title character in the Robin Williams movie Mrs. Doubtfire.)

What’s next? Limits on the width of a pizza slice, size of a hamburger or amount of cream cheese on your bagel?

Actually, popcorn and milkshakes are next. But Bloomberg brazenly said that he was only doing his job!

If [the role of government] isn’t to improve the health and longevity of its citizens, I don’t know what [that role] is.

The mayor then contradicted himself. He told his TV host that he
didn’t mean to tell people what to do. But he and his Board of Health
are doing just that!

Excuse me, Mr. (putative) President. Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. Obama is half right, and Bloomberg is totally wrong.

The proper role of government
The Constitution. It limits the role of government.

The US Constitution. Photo: National Archives of the United States

To “improve the health and [long life] of its citizens” (and lawful residents) is not the role of government. The Framers of the Constitution
never saw it that way. Nor is the role of government to guarantee you
an income, no matter what Richard A. Cloward and Frances Fox Piven said 56 years ago.

The role of government is to manage force. This role derives from a basic social principle: so long as humans live together, no one may start using force against another. But humans will
start using force, unless some other humans stop them, or deal with
them when they do. That is the proper role of government. That is why we
have government.

But the Progressive movement began with a new view of the role of government. They
first said that government must “improve the health and [long life]” of
those who live under it. And they didn’t stay with the Democratic
Party, or even start there. The first Progressive President was Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican.

So what does the role of government break down to? Three things:



Law courts

And that's it.

But what say you? Is Mayor Bloomberg right to say that the role of government is to "improve" your life, whether you think it could stand improving (and in that way) or not? Or do you believe, as I do, that your life is your own, and government's job is not to interfere with it, but instead to stop others from interfering?

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  • Cliff 2012/06/16 01:10:10
    To protect your rights from wrongful use of force.
    Government by nature wants to take your rights away. But as our Declaration of Independence states, our rights do not come from government but from God. For that reason, government cannot take them away.
  • Confede... Cliff 2012/06/16 01:13:34
    then by the sword we shall take yoooour rights away.
  • Cliff Confede... 2012/06/16 01:23:51
    The liberals will certainly try. That is why we cling to our guns. have a nice day
  • Confede... Cliff 2012/06/16 01:30:54
    Im a E.U. marine. I been in the USA a few years it sucks here but for king and country right.
  • ReconMa... Confede... 2012/06/17 03:15:02
  • john Kills Cliff 2012/06/16 02:04:04
    john Kills
    The government IS taking them away. It's up to us to stop the government. This is why the founders gave us the 2nd amendment.
  • Jessica... Cliff 2012/06/16 04:52:28
    Here is a good question. If our rights come from god (whose god?) and you do not believe in the same god; or do not believe in god at all; do you still have rights?
  • william... Jessica... 2012/06/16 07:12:03
    william farrell
    if our rights come from god, it does not matter if you believe in god or not, the right has been given (based on the statement) and you have those rights irregardless if you believe in the source of those rights or not. your question doesn't speak to the founders position. your question should be "if there is no God, do I still have inalienable rights?" your belief is not so much the question as is is ther a god. william
  • Cliff Jessica... 2012/06/16 10:43:44 (edited)
    The One True God, whoever He may be. You can believe in His Holiness Obama King of Kings and Lord of Lords or you may believe God is a fairytale if you so choose, but that changes nothing.Try reading the Declaration of Independence.
  • Jessica... Cliff 2012/06/18 15:21:20
    Really??? lmao
  • Cliff Jessica... 2012/06/19 00:16:56
    Really. Have a nice time dancing on the coals : )
  • Jessica... Cliff 2012/06/19 14:25:36
    I don't believe in fairy tales. Sorry.
  • Cliff Jessica... 2012/06/24 15:24:01
    You don't believe in fairy tales? Well what about this one that you wrote?

    I am being very honest when I say that I KNOW that I am better than a lot of people.
  • Jessica... Cliff 2012/06/24 15:49:20
    I am better than you, since obviously you have to stalk me.
  • Diane S... Jessica... 2012/06/16 13:34:05
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    If you have no God you have no rights then stupid !!!!
  • Franklin Jessica... 2012/06/16 14:41:59
    you are so educated ...your stupid ! so you sit around waiting for GOD or Government to grant you rights , are you "occupying" something right now ???? LOL
  • Red Branch Franklin 2012/06/18 02:07:21
    Red Branch
    dead space
  • Jessica... Franklin 2012/06/18 15:20:12
    I sit around and wait for no one and no imaginary being to grant me any rights. I do what I want when I want, and if there happens to be consequences I suck it up and deal with it. I can't even think of a way to respond to your sheer stupidity, but thanks for trolling. :)
  • Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/16 01:03:30
    To protect your rights from wrongful use of force.
    Kat ♪ ~ ♪
    The only agendas should be what is stated by the Constitution, its Bill of Rights and its Amendments.
  • Confede... Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/16 01:18:54
    Your a good American I can tell but your freedoms and rights are what the European Union says they are. Obama understands that quite well. We have the power in the American military not the american soldiers.
  • Kat ♪ ~ ♪ Confede... 2012/06/16 01:20:19
    Kat ♪ ~ ♪
    Not true, we are not in the EU.
  • ReconMa... Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/16 02:12:11 (edited)
  • Kat ♪ ~ ♪ ReconMa... 2012/06/16 02:22:22
    Kat ♪ ~ ♪
    Thanks recon, I always like to have a friend check them out too.
  • Lee Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/18 03:23:02
    The Recon Moron is as phony as a three dollar bill.
  • Kat ♪ ~ ♪ Lee 2012/06/18 12:23:28 (edited)
    Kat ♪ ~ ♪
    No he is right. You are sock puppet
  • Lee Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/18 12:53:17
    And you are you . . . Intellectually and morally inferior to even the dumbest and most depraved puppet.
  • Kat ♪ ~ ♪ Lee 2012/06/18 13:04:13
    Kat ♪ ~ ♪
    Right dbag, keep telling youself that.
  • Oaces_b... Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/18 16:23:24
  • Kat ♪ ~ ♪ Oaces_b... 2012/06/18 16:28:52
    Kat ♪ ~ ♪
    I don't make a habit of blocking, it's usually more amusing to find out how stupid they truly are.
  • Oaces_b... Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/18 16:30:20
  • ReconMa... Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/21 16:04:04 (edited)
  • ReconMa... Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/21 16:05:04
  • Kat ♪ ~ ♪ ReconMa... 2012/06/25 21:47:04
    Kat ♪ ~ ♪
    I've been out of town since Thurs. working field day. Not a problem.
  • ReconMa... Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/27 04:16:46
  • Kat ♪ ~ ♪ ReconMa... 2012/06/18 12:24:52
    Kat ♪ ~ ♪
    The idiot below is trying to claim you're phony, probably another one.
  • Lee Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/18 12:55:20 (edited)
    Poor old Recon Moron is scared sh*tless of me.

    He blocked me months ago, because i kept demonstrating to him the error of his ways, and he wasn't man enough to handle it.

    Why are Big Bad Loud-mouthed Right Wing Nut Jobs really such pathetic Wusses??
  • Kat ♪ ~ ♪ Lee 2012/06/18 13:04:57
    Kat ♪ ~ ♪
    More likely got tired of your crap, totally stupid.
  • ReconMa... Kat ♪ ~ ♪ 2012/06/21 15:57:11
  • Oaces_b... ReconMa... 2012/06/21 17:10:18
  • ReconMa... Oaces_b... 2012/06/22 19:23:47

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