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Role of government: what should it be?

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It’s official: when we choose a President this fall, we will also
choose a theory on the role of government. The putative President and
the Mayor of New York both said it this week. Voters need to hear and
understand exactly what they said and what this means.


What Obama and Bloomberg said

Yesterday, Barack H. Obama traveled to Cleveland, Ohio. He gave a
rambling and almost petulant speech in this historic “battleground”
State. Mostly he said, “It’s all Bush’s fault,” or something amounting
to that. (Maybe he had read this Gallup Poll. Katie Pavlich has some other numbers that should set that record straight.)


But Obama said one thing worth hearing. The New York Times had two reporters on the ground to hear it:


Your vote will finally determine the path that we take as a nation — not just tomorrow, but for years to come.


In other words, Obama said that you will vote for more than a
President (or to be technical, Presidential Electors). You will vote for
a role of government. You will vote whether government will be your
nanny or your monitor and arbiter.


If you doubt that, Mayor Mike Bloomberg should remove that doubt.
Last week he made a rule that no convenience store, movie candy counter,
etc., could sell you a drink larger than 16 ounces. Soft drink bottlers
then took out a full page ad in the Times showing Bloomberg as “The Nanny.” (Or maybe as the title character in the Robin Williams movie Mrs. Doubtfire.)


What’s next? Limits on the width of a pizza slice, size of a hamburger or amount of cream cheese on your bagel?


Actually, popcorn and milkshakes are next. But Bloomberg brazenly said that he was only doing his job!


If [the role of government] isn’t to improve the health and longevity of its citizens, I don’t know what [that role] is.


The mayor then contradicted himself. He told his TV host that he
didn’t mean to tell people what to do. But he and his Board of Health
are doing just that!


Excuse me, Mr. (putative) President. Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. Obama is half right, and Bloomberg is totally wrong.


The proper role of government
The Constitution. It limits the role of government.

The US Constitution. Photo: National Archives of the United States


To “improve the health and [long life] of its citizens” (and lawful residents) is not the role of government. The Framers of the Constitution
never saw it that way. Nor is the role of government to guarantee you
an income, no matter what Richard A. Cloward and Frances Fox Piven said 56 years ago.


The role of government is to manage force. This role derives from a basic social principle: so long as humans live together, no one may start using force against another. But humans will
start using force, unless some other humans stop them, or deal with
them when they do. That is the proper role of government. That is why we
have government.


But the Progressive movement began with a new view of the role of government. They
first said that government must “improve the health and [long life]” of
those who live under it. And they didn’t stay with the Democratic
Party, or even start there. The first Progressive President was Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican.

So what does the role of government break down to? Three things:

Police

Military

Law courts

And that's it.

But what say you? Is Mayor Bloomberg right to say that the role of government is to "improve" your life, whether you think it could stand improving (and in that way) or not? Or do you believe, as I do, that your life is your own, and government's job is not to interfere with it, but instead to stop others from interfering?

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  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/06/16 13:29:12
    To protect your rights from wrongful use of force.
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +5
    The government was ment to stay out of your business is you are not doing anything illegal and pursuing your life. Obama is stepping on our rights !!!!!!
  • Joe61 2012/06/16 07:25:15 (edited)
    Undecided
    Joe61
    +4
    Government is there to serve the people, all the people. It is not there to divide the people or enforce a single ideology against the will of the people.
  • AL 2012/06/16 06:52:05
    To protect your rights from wrongful use of force.
    AL
    +4
    National defense and collect taxes! Then just get hell the hell out of my life
  • Lisa 2012/06/16 06:33:27
    To protect your rights from wrongful use of force.
    Lisa
    +4
    To protect and to serve the people against foreign attacks, against corruption
    Don't think we are doing too well! Liberals make everything unstable, vote them out!
  • Not-A-RINO 2012/06/16 06:00:15
    Undecided
    Not-A-RINO
    +3
    The government was formed to protect your liberty and property and for the common defense. Our Framers never imagined a central government so out of control and a burden to everyone. How about if we legalize and form a government that is a constitutional republic with limited, enumerated powers divided into three separate branches? Wouldn't that be a novel idea?
  • Lee Not-A-RINO 2012/06/17 23:58:17 (edited)
    Lee
    You don't have a clue as to what the framers imagined.

    Right Wing Nut Job scum are perpetually harping about "originial intent," and completely dismissing the text of the Constitution.

    The Constitution means exactly what it says.

    If you don't like it, you can just get your ignorant Right Wing A$$ the hell out of my country.

    This country is for real Americans . . . can-do citizens . . . and not a bunch of whiny right wing obstructionist idiots.
  • Not-A-RINO Lee 2012/06/18 04:11:12
    Not-A-RINO
    +2
    You know, for a guy without brains you're a genius. It's imbeciles like you that make SH a pain sometimes. Welcome to my block list, dip$h__.
  • VICTORIA 2012/06/16 04:27:36
  • Rusty S... VICTORIA 2012/06/16 05:12:42
  • VICTORIA Rusty S... 2012/06/16 05:13:46
  • AL Rusty S... 2012/06/16 06:54:24
    AL
    +9
    Let me second that motion!
  • The Bir... AL 2012/06/16 12:18:16
    The Birdman ~ PWCM~JLA
    +10
    Let me third it! LOL!
    obama loser
  • Oaces_b... The Bir... 2012/06/16 14:32:09
  • Oaces_b... Rusty S... 2012/06/16 14:32:51
  • Lee Oaces_b... 2012/06/17 19:07:09
    Lee
    Who?
  • Oaces_b... Lee 2012/06/17 19:13:27
  • Lee Oaces_b... 2012/06/17 20:55:47 (edited)
    Lee
    +1
    He is hated by traitorous and stupid anti-American Right Wing Nut Job scum . . . yes.

    But that is all the more reason to love and respect the man.

    Thank God for Obama and the Democrats!

    Go GObama.
  • Oaces_b... Lee 2012/06/17 21:02:36
  • Patric VICTORIA 2012/06/16 15:38:48
    Patric
    +1
    the choices may be poor,
    but your choice of them is interesting...
    and, IMO, your true belief in the role of gov't...
  • Oaces_b... Patric 2012/06/18 04:27:33
  • VICTORIA Patric 2012/06/21 03:46:32
    VICTORIA
    true belief in the role of gov't... is...what?

    That's an incomplete thought.

    victory
  • Patric VICTORIA 2012/06/21 14:24:10
    Patric
    hmm, again , interesting ..
    thank you for your time and reply.
    victory for the American people will be the ousting of obomma this NOV

    vote out obomma,
  • VICTORIA Patric 2012/06/22 03:13:00
    VICTORIA
    stay in school honey.
  • Patric VICTORIA 2012/06/22 16:35:06
    Patric
    honey ?
    schucks, Victoria, did not know you cared....
  • ElisaGalvan 2012/06/16 04:16:19
    To protect your rights from wrongful use of force.
    ElisaGalvan
    +6
    We had a discussion like this in my AP US History class... it was awesome! And here is my opinion, it starts "WE THE PEOPLE..."
    THE END... and that is how it should be... we the people...
  • VICTORIA ElisaGa... 2012/06/16 04:27:59
  • Lee ElisaGa... 2012/06/17 23:52:24 (edited)
    Lee
    +1
    Uh . . . there's quite a bit more to the Constitution than just "We the People . . ."

    "We the people" is just the beginning.

    Good governance is the end. Good governance is the goal.

    And the Constitution and the government that implements the Constitution are the means to that end.

    Get it yet?
  • Red Branch Lee 2012/06/18 02:01:28
    Red Branch
    +2
    She gets it. You are the one who doesn't get it.
    You have attacked every person that you addressed so far.
  • Lee Red Branch 2012/06/18 03:13:21
    Lee
    Ah poor poor widdo Wepubwican . . . Evwybody picking on poor widdo you.

    Go ahead and cry those big ol' Republican tears.

    That's all your good for.

    Did you expect that no one would disagree with you in this forum?

    That was a tad bit naive, don't you think?
  • Red Branch Lee 2012/06/18 03:31:18
    Red Branch
    +3
    Look cretin.
    You accuse others of not favoring the Constitution, yet you are the one attempting to stifle anyone whose views differ from your own.

    If you had a nerve mass that might evolve into a brain, you would realize that if you took out the attacks, your comments would be a void.

    Because have limited intellect and limited comprehensive skills I will repeat the most important part of my comment.

    You are a Cretin. If you lose one more brain cell, your intellectual level will be downgraded to that of a turnip.
  • Lee Red Branch 2012/06/18 11:48:49 (edited)
    Lee
    +1
    lol

    I'm not stifling anyone.

    I don't mind addressing your lies.

    And I'm happy to point out the falseness of your beliefs.

    I really don't mind showing you just what sick, twisted, and perverted liars you Right Wing Traitors really are.

    That's all right . . . You don't have to thank me.

    Ok now it's your turn . . . Put all your brain power into a cogent reply . . .

    . . And say something really STUPID.
  • Red Branch Lee 2012/06/18 18:06:24
    Red Branch
    +2
    Your reply to her not not meant to encourage a free exchange of ideas.
  • Lee Red Branch 2012/06/18 23:55:36 (edited)
    Lee
    +1
    So now you're telling me what the "original intent" of my post was?

    lol

    I didn't say she couldn't reply to my post.

    And all I was explaining to her is that the Constitution and the government it created are just means to an end.

    And that end, or goal, is good governance.

    But you Right Wingers just HATE good governance don't you?

    The very audacity of government promoting the general welfare and securing the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity . . . Is offensive to you.

    All that Right Wing Propaganda you absorb has completely overwhelmed your ability to think clearly.
  • Red Branch Lee 2012/07/11 21:35:22
    Red Branch
    It appears that you do not understand the words that you use.

    Conservatives want good government, we do know that good government is not found in Liberal circles.

    Look at what the Founders implemented in 1788 and you will see good govt.
  • Lee Red Branch 2012/07/11 21:38:38
    Lee
    It appears that you're just another Right Wing Air head trying to sound smart.

    lol

    So you want good government huh?

    Do you believe that government has the right to provide for the general welfare?
  • ElisaGa... Lee 2012/06/30 23:15:59
    ElisaGalvan
    +1
    yes, sir!
    Gotcha.
  • Red Branch ElisaGa... 2012/06/18 02:00:35
    Red Branch
    +3
    Excellent!
    Will you elaborate a bit on that.
  • ElisaGa... Red Branch 2012/07/01 00:13:49
    ElisaGalvan
    +2
    meant, I believe it is we the people who decide what we want for this country and ourselves. BUT... since power seems to be sort of an issue, is it really we the people who decide?
    Anyways, to be clear once again... it should be the voices of america so the government hears them out that way the people don't feel like the government is taking over the country... so, in conclusion... the end....
  • Red Branch ElisaGa... 2012/07/11 21:42:15
    Red Branch
    You are correct about 'We the People ... ' having the power.

    The politicians ceased listening to the people sometime ago. The people stopped pressuring the politicians to do anything and in addition they keep electing the same officials each election. If there is no penalty, like losing an election, there is no reason to listen to their constituents.

    Then there is the media and I am going to use a couple of quotes because they explain it much better than I can.

    "A free press is not just a privilege but an organic necessity in a great society. Without criticism and reliable intelligent reporting government cannot govern".
    - Walter Lippmann, American journalist

    "It is not - or should not be - a question of which side the reporter is on. The question is whether the reporter is there to report, or filter, or conceal, or spin". Thomas Sowell

    If you have questions, don't hesitate to ask.
  • ElisaGa... Red Branch 2012/11/20 03:12:43
    ElisaGalvan
    +1
    Thank you... I definitly agree... Good quotes...

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