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Republicans Go From Fast and Furious to Slow and Stupid

ProudProgressive 2012/06/25 12:29:07

Republicans Go From Fast and Furious to Slow and Stupid
By: Jason Easley
June 24, 2012

While Darrell Issa was on Fox stating there was no White House cover up, Rick Perry was on CBS calling Obama, ‘Nixon.’ The GOP has truly gone from Fast and Furious to Slow and Stupid.

When asked by Chris Wallace if he thought there was a White House cover up of Fast and Furious, Issa said, “No, we don’t. And what we are seeking are documents we know to exist, February 4th to December, that are, in fact, about Brian Terry’s murder, who knew, and why people were lying about it, and get to the truth. That’s all we want.”

Meanwhile at the same time on Face The Nation, Rick Perry was accusing the White House of a cover up:

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: Well, what we were talking about there is the economic impact that it has on the states. And– and these two issues, of which President Obama and what we as governors have to deal with, are completely and absolutely different. President Obama is going around the Congress and, frankly, a– a very lawless way of doing it. He’s basically– he couldn’t get it done through Congress, so he’s just basically, during a election year, using this as a political wedge issue. Very, very different. What Governor Romney has strongly talked about was securing the border. And that’s what all of us governors have to deal with is the reality of a federal government that has absolutely failed when it comes to the issue of securing the border. If this President over the last three and a half years had made any effort to secure the border instead of running operations like Fast and Furious where– I mean, Bob, you got to admit, this is almost Nixonian, if not absolutely Nixonian in the cover-up that’s going on with this Fast and Furious. Don’t you agree with that?

BOB SCHIEFFER: Well, I would– I would ask you what do you think should be done on that? Do you think Congress should hold the attorney general in contempt? It’s– it’s coming down to that. Give me your thoughts on what should happen here.

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: Well, when you think about it, we’ve had over three hundred Mexican nationals killed directly attributable to this Fast and Furious operation where they brought those guns into Mexico, and a former Marine and a Border Patrol agent by the name of Brian Terry lost his life. I mean, with Watergate, you had a second-rate burglary. And now you have a President who is using his executive privilege to keep that information from Congress. If that’s not Nixonian, then I don’t know what is, Bob.

BOB SCHIEFFER: So but– but you’re saying– would you favor the Congress holding him in contempt because it looks like that’s what may be about to happen here?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: What I would favor is the President of the United States being transparent with what is going on. I mean what is so important– I mean what are they hiding? What has gone on that is so important that I’m going to use executive privilege to keep the United States Congress from having documents? This is really troubling.

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): What– what–

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: Very troubling to the American people.

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don’t know. I mean that’s the issue. If– if– if he will be transparent, if he will be open with Congress and the American people then we will know what went on with Fast and Furious. Why were those guns being transported and– and then totally lost control of, and ending up in the hands of cartels who used them for criminal activities up to and including murder of United States Border Patrol Agent.

This is why Fast and Furious will never be a major scandal. Republicans can’t even agree among themselves on their talking points. It can be argued that the Republicans’ real problem started when someone let Rick Perry a.k.a. Sarah Palin South loose on national television. Much like his Alaskan soul mate Rick Perry doesn’t follow the news much, but he loves a good Obama conspiracy theory.

The debacle grows even more humorous when you realize that Perry was on Face The Nation as a Romney surrogate, but he seemed more interested in talking about anything other than Mitt Romney.

Fox News Sunday and Face The Nation were airing live at the same time while two Republicans on two different networks give two different talking points on whether or not there is a White House cover up.

The right wants the American people to believe that the Obama administration has done something heinous and horrible, but have no idea what exactly that was. As usual, the GOP’s blind hatred of Obama is causing them to make fools of themselves.

By the time they trotted out Boy Sarah Palin (Rick Perry) today, The GOP’s fast and furious had become slow and stupid. And most of America still could care less about their bogus “scandal”.


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  • Live Free Or Die 2012/06/25 14:25:21
    Live Free Or Die
    +4
    Darrell Issa said he doesn't believe there is a White House cover up of Fast & Furious, so what is the point of the hearings again?

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  • JaguarSocialist 2012/06/25 20:57:13
    JaguarSocialist
    +1
    Repubdungbaggers are so damn stupid and racist they don't even accept statements made by other Repubdungbaggers. There was NO White House cover-up and Rick Perry makes George W. Bush look smart.
  • twocrows 2012/06/25 17:12:49
    twocrows
    +1
    I've noticed a pattern:
    ever since Nixon's disgrace, the Republicans have gone after every sitting Democratic president. they hunt for a scandal, any scandal. they use our tax dollars to look under every rock. they're desperate to find something to pin on every Dem who has the temerity to run for the office and win.

    it's all a matter of revenge. Nixon got caught breaking the law so they have to, now, manufacture a reason to take down every Dem in order to prove Nixon was just practicing business as usual. it started with Carter and went on through Clinton and now this.

    remember the Clinton debacle? 3 times they tried to find crimes and 3 times they failed - - to the tune of $6,000,000 of your and my money. they finally had to settle for infidelity to his wife. and how desperate is that?

    when are they going to accept the fact that Nixon was a crook and let it go, fergoshsakes? of course, they won't. the chance to oust a Dem president tastes too sweet to ever stop what they're doing.

    I, for one, am sick of their games and of the suffering they're inflicting on the country while playing them.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/25 15:59:56
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    And people WANT the republicans in charge???
    Gimme a break.
  • whitewulf--the unruly mobster 2012/06/25 15:53:59
  • Bilingual required sucks 2012/06/25 15:01:19
    Bilingual required sucks
    +3
    Rick Perry has a head of lettuce for brains. Is he trying to "come back" from his emabarrassing performance in the Republican primaries?
  • Live Free Or Die 2012/06/25 14:25:21
    Live Free Or Die
    +4
    Darrell Issa said he doesn't believe there is a White House cover up of Fast & Furious, so what is the point of the hearings again?
  • ProudPr... Live Fr... 2012/06/25 15:47:17
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    Eric Holder has the nerve to believe that every American citizen over the age of 18 has a right to vote in this country. This interferes with the Republican plans to disenfranchise as many citizens as they can.

    They've also developed a conspiracy theory that gives the birthers a run for their money as far as the most delusional conspiracy theory ever - that President Obama planned Fast and Furious to deliberately fail so that lots of people would get killed so he could scare everyone and use that as part of his secret plot to take everyone's guns away. Except of course that Fast and Furious was planned by the Bush Administration in 2006 and President Obama hasn't done a thing to take anyone's guns away for over three years.

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Live Fr... ProudPr... 2012/06/25 15:54:29
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    Both of these things are true. Unfortunately, in the case of the second the Conservatives eat this up (like they did the birther conspiracy). If we look at it a little more closely, it may be a cover up on the part of the Republicans holding these hearings. In their minds, only people kill people. The availability of guns has nothing to do with it. This makes it easy to see how they can convince Conservative voters that it must be true, crazy as it is, and it is absolutely batsh*t crazy....and morally bankrupt, because there should not be any gunwalking. Period.
  • Rebel Yell 2012/06/25 13:59:03
    Rebel Yell
    +3
    Rick Perry. The gift that keeps on giving. Think back to the debates. It didn't matter what the moderator asked, Perry just started on a diatribe of what he deemed important.

    Moderator: As President, would you support heavier sanctions for Iran?

    Perry: I continue to support mandatory vaccinations for preteen girls because I am that kind of guy who cares about everyone.

    Then on to Bachmann...
    Moderator: Do you support another border fence as Gov. Romney has suggested?

    Bachmann: I want to go back to what Jon Huntsman said. I disagree and believe we should get tough with China and impose higher tariffs and keep an eye on the toys with lead based paint. You see, that is the problem with Obama. He doesn't care about what is in those toys.

    The entire group is BATSHEET CRAZY !
  • ProudPr... Rebel Yell 2012/06/25 14:06:19
    ProudProgressive
    +4
    I have three things to say about that.

    1. Rick Perry is an idiot.
    2. Rick Perry is a moron.
  • whitewu... ProudPr... 2012/06/25 15:55:37 (edited)
  • Evil 1 2012/06/25 13:14:48 (edited)
    Evil 1
    +1
    Obama's opinion of Bush using the Executive Privledge in 2007:

    http://foxnewsinsider.com/201...

    Seems Obama's hypocrisy is once again shining through and those that support him choose to follow suit. Apparently there is actually is no honor among thieves and this proves it.

    obama hypocrite
  • ProudPr... Evil 1 2012/06/25 13:23:26
    ProudProgressive
    +5
    You know, the "both sides do it" nonsense gets a little thin after a while. The Bush Administration abused the concept of executive privilege just as they abused everything else, like signing statements, executive orders, etc. The fact that this Administration knows the proper place for such things and uses them sparingly and only when necessary (this is, for example, the first time the President has exerted executive privilege over anything while Bush used it more often than he mispronounced nukular) doesn't justify the Bush Administration's abuse of the process.
  • Evil 1 ProudPr... 2012/06/25 21:13:40
    Evil 1
    Now your hypocrisy is showing. There is no excuse for Obama on this one. It is blatant hipocrisy and anyone that condones it is also a hypocrite. If Bush did it and it was wrong according to Obama it doesn't give him a pass. This is not grade school you're dealing with. Obama is supposed to be an adult. Seems he has forgotten this fact or his blatant narcissism and arrogance makes him think he is above abiding by the rules he expects others to follow.

    And as for his use being proper. That is outright ridiculous and the majority of the voters in this nation also feel it is:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-...

    Seems the only ones supporting him are his minority of hypocritical followers. How utterly pathetic.
  • Live Fr... Evil 1 2012/06/26 02:17:48
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    Bush is not to blame for F&F as he was not in office when that operation began, but the funding that went to the ATF for it was through Project Gunrunner, which was based on the Merida Initiative signed into law by GW Bush. Darrell Issa voted for the funding of Project Gunrunner for three consecutive years in 2008 until 2011. Issa was also briefed on F&F in 2010 and 2011, but claims not to recall it. Then there is the Assistant Attorney General, Lanny Breuer who took some personal blame for not informing AG, Eric Holder, of what went on in F&F. Yet, you are so quick to blame it all on Obama. Maybe not everyone feels the way you do about it, or the people in your Right Wing report.

    You Righties love to give Bush a free pass, but stampede all over the Democrat in office, no matter who it is. That doesn't make us hypocrites, just wise to Republican scams.
  • Evil 1 Live Fr... 2012/06/26 11:51:51
    Evil 1
    So is Bush is not to blame then why is the liberal/progressive left blaming him? Just because the funding was there didn't mean Obama had to endorse Fast and Furious. He could have condemned the what had occured and used the funding elsewhere rather than put it into Fast and Furious which completely overstepped Gunrunner. That is the point. Remember Obama ran on hope and change. He didn't change a damn thing. He has taken BS like this as well as corruption, lobbying (which he promised to eleminate), corporate cronyism and Washington (now coupled with Chicago style) politics to new more despicable levels.

    No one is trying to give Bush a pass. We expect Obama to be held responsible for his actions as he promised to change Washington. He promised the most transparent administration ever. Where is it? The problem is you liberal/progressives want to give Obama a pass on all his lies and hypocrisies (which are numerous) and that is unacceptable. If what Bush did with Gunrunner (which was an entirely different program than F&F) and it was wrong why would anyone with any semblance of intelligence support what Obama did? They would only do so if they themselves are as hypocritical as Obama and/or are naive or dishonest. Time to quit blaming everyone and anyone for Obama's failures and corruption as that is the scam trying to be passed on the the American citizens.
  • Live Fr... Evil 1 2012/06/26 18:30:38
    Live Free Or Die
    The liberal/progressive left is NOT blaming Bush for this; but the accusation that they are is constantly put out there several times a week on Fox. If you watch MSNBC there are no such accusations being made. So that's a lie.

    However, the fact is although these two operations are separate, they are funded under Project Gunrunner and it is relevant, since Mr. Issa was briefed on F&F twice and voted to fund Project Gunrunner into 2011.

    Yet, you ignore that.

    Mr. Issa, Chair of the Committee of these proceedings, said himself that he and his colleagues do not believe there has been a White House cover up of Fast & Furious. So, if they don't think there was a cover up, why are they holding the proceedings?

    I noticed you haven't addressed that, either.

    You are blaming the President even though you haven't a shred evidence to back yourself up and conveniently ignore anything that doesn't back up your assertions about his honesty and/or involvement in it.

    You are doing what you are accusing others of and nothing more here.
  • Evil 1 Live Fr... 2012/06/26 20:28:52
    Evil 1
    Here is just one example of the liberal/progressives blaming Bush for Fast & Furious:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.c...

    Just do a little research and you will find many, many more. Just look around this site and you will find a multitude of them blaming Bush.

    I never ignored the fact that Bush had operation Gunrunner. But Obma could have stopped the funding of this type of operation, instead he chose to let Holder run with Fast and Furiious and is doing so assumed responsibility. Two wrongs do not make a right. Furthermore the operations were totally different and no one died in Gunrunner. Also Gunrunner was done in cooperation with the Mexican government which is a major difference between the two.

    And the President didn't stop the funding and allowed the operation to go through so in reality he assumes some of the blame. As to how much I doubt if we will ever know. But his exercising the Executive privilege to attempt to keep the documents from being supplied to Congress raises many questions and places much skepticism on Obama. Especially after he condemned Bush in 2007 for using the Executive priviege (which was later overturned) in the DOJ matter regarding the firing of some of their attorneys. If it was wrong then why is it right now? Seems his hypocrisy is blatant...















    Here is just one example of the liberal/progressives blaming Bush for Fast & Furious:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.c...

    Just do a little research and you will find many, many more. Just look around this site and you will find a multitude of them blaming Bush.

    I never ignored the fact that Bush had operation Gunrunner. But Obma could have stopped the funding of this type of operation, instead he chose to let Holder run with Fast and Furiious and is doing so assumed responsibility. Two wrongs do not make a right. Furthermore the operations were totally different and no one died in Gunrunner. Also Gunrunner was done in cooperation with the Mexican government which is a major difference between the two.

    And the President didn't stop the funding and allowed the operation to go through so in reality he assumes some of the blame. As to how much I doubt if we will ever know. But his exercising the Executive privilege to attempt to keep the documents from being supplied to Congress raises many questions and places much skepticism on Obama. Especially after he condemned Bush in 2007 for using the Executive priviege (which was later overturned) in the DOJ matter regarding the firing of some of their attorneys. If it was wrong then why is it right now? Seems his hypocrisy is blatant and what is he covering up? If there is nothing to hide release the documents and put the matter to rest.

    And as for Issas statements you must not have read them or you are having a hard time comprehending english. Here they are:

    But asked Sunday whether he had any evidence to back up those claims, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said, “No, we don’t.”

    “What we’re seeking are documents that we know exist . . . that are, in fact, about Brian Terry’s murder, who knew and why people were lying about it and get to the truth. That’s all we want,” Issa said on “Fox News Sunday.”

    "And I hope they don't get involved. I hope this stays at Justice," said Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    They have no proof but are seeking documents. They won't know if there was a White House involvement until they see the documents. And if there is nothing to hide why use Executive privilege to stop them from being released? Seems to raise questions. And the fact that he states he 'hopes' the White House is not involved also eludes to they could be in the documents. No one will know until the doucments are seen.

    Furthermore a majority of voters ovewhelmingly disagree with Obama using the Executive privilege in this matter:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.c...

    So if you feel I am accusing him of being involved and covering up with no basis you are in the minority and from all indications you are not fully informed as to what has been going on or you choose to ignore the facts.
    (more)
  • Live Fr... Evil 1 2012/06/28 06:43:33
    Live Free Or Die
    People disagreeing with the President using executive privilege does not mean a majority believe HE is responsible for what went wrong in F&F. Even Congress does not agree with you, according to Darrell Issa.

    Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson is not accusing Bush of being responsible, but rather, people in the ATF. She is only noting that Project Gunrunner started under Bush. Funding it might not be the issue, as some in the ATF and the agency itself claim no gunrunning happened, others claim it did happen - are you up to date? So, it is possible that Eric Holder and even Issa DID NOT KNOW, but that the President is using executive privilege because releasing all of it could compromise the investigation into the ATF. Yet, you say I am uninformed.

    The vote for contempt, which some Democrats are going on board with, has a lot to do with the endorsement for it by the NRA. The NRA believes the Obama Administration walked guns into Mexico as part of a conspiracy against gun rights. Absolutely shameful that anyone would vote for contempt based on some conspiracy belief on the part of the NRA.

    Other than documents which haven't been released while an investigation is going on, there is NO evidence that the President is responsible for walking guns into Mexico.

    Again, you are being hypocritical, upset about people blaming Bush while you do what you accuse others of when it comes to Obama.
  • Evil 1 Live Fr... 2012/06/29 11:14:29
    Evil 1
    Obama is the hypocrite in this matter by his using the executive privlege. He condemned Bush for using it in 2007 and accused him of hiding information from the Amerian people. Now he uses it to protect himself and Holder. That is blatant hypocrisy.

    And if their is nothing in the Documents to be concerned with (as Obama and Holder claim) then why not release them? All the excuses you choose to make for Obama's actions in this matter cannot hide the facts. He is a hypocrite and he is hiding something. There is no legitimate excuse for his actions.
  • Live Fr... Evil 1 2012/06/29 22:16:55 (edited)
    Live Free Or Die
    Bush used executive privilege 6 times. Obama used his executive privilege once and for very good reason, as Eric Holder is not legally allowed to disclose all of the documents.

    I noticed you did not respond to many relevant points I made, so I suspect you'll side step this one too. I find that tactic dishonest and meant to put the other person on the defense, rather than to discuss the merits of your accusations.

    That isn't worthy of my time and thus our conversation is over.
  • Evil 1 Live Fr... 2012/06/30 00:01:38 (edited)
    Evil 1
    Obama condemned Bush for use of the privlege stating he was not being honest with the American people. To make excuses that he is justified does nothing but show your own hypocrisy.

    The only reason you choose to end the discussion is because you can't defend the Liar in Chief actions and you know it.
  • Live Fr... Evil 1 2012/06/30 12:44:32
    Live Free Or Die
    No, the reasons I chose to end it are for precisely the reasons I stated and go without saying.
  • Evil 1 Live Fr... 2012/06/30 14:07:28
    Evil 1
    I thought you were ending it? Just more attempts by you to CYA and the fact that you cannot in any way defend the Liar in Chief. I expect I'll get another response as you are a typical liberal/progressive in that you do not live up to what you promise or state.
  • JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/25 12:50:12
    JoeBtfsplk
    +2
    "The right wants the American people to believe that the Obama administration has done something heinous and horrible, but have no idea what exactly that was. As usual, the GOP’s blind hatred of Obama is causing them to make fools of themselves."


    How genuinely idiotic your assessment! Of course the American public wants to know!

    WE (America) - "have no idea what exactly that was" - because Holder/Obama are withholding that information.


    Sorry pp - your specious attempt fails - as usual!
  • ProudPr... JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/25 13:25:25
    ProudProgressive
    +4
    The American Public doesn't give a sh*t about Fast and Furious. I think by now they know that every time an election rolls around the Right Wing makes up some bullsh*t to avoid dealing with the actual issues that the people do care about.
  • JoeBtfsplk ProudPr... 2012/06/25 13:29:50 (edited)
    JoeBtfsplk
    +1
    How easily you speak for Americans!

    Are you God?
  • Evil 1 JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/25 21:14:52
    Evil 1
    +1
    No you seemed to have forgotten. To him Obama is God. His statements about this just showcase the hypocrisy of the liberal/progressives and proves their really is no honor among theives.
  • whitewu... ProudPr... 2012/06/25 15:57:18
  • Lady Wh... ProudPr... 2012/06/25 16:02:34
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    agreed
  • Evil 1 ProudPr... 2012/06/25 21:17:57 (edited)
    Evil 1
    You are absolutely wrong (and that is more and more the case as of late).

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-...

    But I'll give your reply so you don't have to. Either John Nolte is not a viable source as he his article was on Brietbart.com or (here it comes, wait for it.......) he's a racist. Then again maybe somehow you can try to blame Bush. LOL You're becoming more and more ridiculous and pathetic on a daily basis.
  • JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/25 12:45:26
    JoeBtfsplk
    +2
    America must know the Obama Administrations involvement!

    More power to Issa!
  • ProudPr... JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/25 13:36:52
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    How easily you speak for Americans!

    Are you God?
  • JoeBtfsplk ProudPr... 2012/06/25 13:41:17
    JoeBtfsplk
    +1
    not very original
  • ProudPr... JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/25 14:07:46
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    I know, but I was amused that you made your accusation and then did the very thing you were accusing me of, so it seemed to fit :)
  • JoeBtfsplk ProudPr... 2012/06/25 14:31:29
    JoeBtfsplk
    touché
  • Live Fr... JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/25 15:58:59
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    You said it first and then acted all high and mighty when it was said back. Interesting that you say "touche". How about, "I was wrong". Oops, nope, can't do that.
  • JoeBtfsplk Live Fr... 2012/06/25 16:05:55
    JoeBtfsplk
    and it is your business because?
  • Live Fr... JoeBtfsplk 2012/06/25 16:10:15
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    Because your party claims the higher moral ground and because what you did was wrong. This is a public forum and if you didn't want it to be my business, you should have kept your comments to yourself.
  • JoeBtfsplk Live Fr... 2012/06/25 16:16:03
    JoeBtfsplk
    Wrong? That I want to know who killed our Border Agent?

    I'm betting the Obama admin. knows who is responsible.

    Obviously it's not important to you.

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