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Republicans are trying to exploit child labor laws! Longer hours and MUCH lower pay! What say you?

JohnGalt April 01, 2011 18:34:49





Maine State Rep. David Burns is the latest of many Republican lawmakersconcerned that employers aren’t allowed to do enough to exploit child workers:
LD 1346 suggests several significant changes to Maine’s child labor law, most notably a 180-day period during which workers under age 20 would earn $5.25 an hour.

The state’s current minimum wage is $7.50 an hour.

Rep. David Burns, R-Whiting, is sponsoring the bill, which also would eliminate the maximum number of hours a minor over 16 can work during school days.

Burns’ bill is particularly insidious, because it directly encourages employers to hire children or teenagers instead of adult workers. Because workers under 20 could be paid less than adults under this GOP proposal, minimum wage workers throughout Maine would likely receive a pink slip as their twentieth birthday present so that their boss could replace them with someone younger and cheaper.

And Burns is just one of many prominent Republicans who believe that America’s robust protections against the exploitation of children are wrongheaded:

Republicans’ contempt for workers is hardly news. GOP governors throughout the country have declared war on collective bargaining, and the national minimum wage remained stagnant for nearly a decade the last time Republicans controlled Congress. Nevertheless, the GOP’s increasingly widespread assaults on child labor laws is a significant escalation from their longstanding war on adult workers.


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  • lrb April 01, 2011 18:48:43
    lrb
    +7
    Of course maybe by lowering the wage it will allow kids to get summer jobs that would not have existed at the artificially high minimum wage. But that does not conform to the social narrative.

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  • iamthemob April 03, 2011 18:35:45
    iamthemob
    +1
    In all honestly, I think that these legislative battles actually show more of a consistency in argument about the expansion of federal power. A lot of the child labor laws and other federal labor regulation came at a time where they were based on some tenuous and long-criticized expansion of Congressional power under the Commerce Clause - the legality of those Acts is still debated today in law school.
  • Daniel April 02, 2011 11:26:58
    Daniel
    It sounds like a good idea. People wouldn't be getting pink slips at 20 for one thing and it would make it afordable to train up younger employees. It cost money to train people. Kids are really hard. I have a couple who are really good workers but their attention span are lacking. This is the same in every case. I can't hire more than my men can oversee. It isn't untol after the age of 20 that they can start managing themselves. Sometimes not till age 40. : )
  • Fannie April 02, 2011 03:02:59
    Fannie
    +1
    I just friggin can't believe these creeps.
  • exhon2009 April 01, 2011 21:15:02
    exhon2009
    I like the way democrats talk out of both sides of their mouths on this. Bill Moyer notoriously did not pay health benefits for his employees. More recently, the Huffington Post writers got their pajama bottoms pulled into a world class snuggy because they are paid ZERO for their work and Ariana Huffington sold the Post to someone for about half a billion dollars. That's funny, how much less per hour than minimum wage is zero? Professional writers that expect SOME pay need not apply. I wonder if she'll fire them and hire writers that pay her for the privilege of writing content?

    If I was running the Huffington Post I'd pay them the same amount that Ariana is though. I'd be paying them what they're worth.
  • JohnGalt exhon2009 April 01, 2011 21:19:03
    JohnGalt
    The difference with the Huff Post is that people give their work knowingly,,, they are not coerced in any way. It is their choice and they realize that it is a badge of honor.
  • exhon2009 JohnGalt April 02, 2011 00:57:58
    exhon2009
    Seems the badge of honor is pricking them in the chest recently. Ariana went to the bank off the sweat of their brow.
  • JohnGalt exhon2009 April 02, 2011 03:50:25
    JohnGalt
    Have any of them complained?
  • exhon2009 JohnGalt April 02, 2011 16:10:56
    exhon2009
    Not to me personally: I like how Ariana, already rich, but 315 million richer tells them to go ahead and eat cake in her slutty eastern European accent. This from the author of Pigs at the Trough:

    http://www.disinfo.com/2011/0...

    Unpaid Huffington Post Writers May Strike Following $315 Million Sale To AOLPosted by JacobSloan on March 23, 2011

    The progressive views of leading liberal website the Huffington Post apparently stop at the office door. When your company is worth $315 million, it’s hard to make excuses for not paying your writers, and so the Newspaper Guild is urging the site’s unpaid bloggers to strike, in a controversy that has gone oddly undermentioned in the left-wing blogosphere. The Wrap reports:

    Arianna Huffington scoffed at a group of unpaid Huffington Post contributors that announced on Wednesday they would stop contributing content to the site, weeks after its $315 million sale to AOL was announced.

    “The idea of going on strike when no one really notices,” Huffington said. “Go ahead, go on strike.”

    The controversy arose after writers for the websites ArtScene and Visual Art Source , which had been contributing content to the Huffington Post for free since 2010, refuse to contribute additional material to the site unless they got paid. They are as...
    Not to me personally: I like how Ariana, already rich, but 315 million richer tells them to go ahead and eat cake in her slutty eastern European accent. This from the author of Pigs at the Trough:

    http://www.disinfo.com/2011/0...

    Unpaid Huffington Post Writers May Strike Following $315 Million Sale To AOLPosted by JacobSloan on March 23, 2011

    The progressive views of leading liberal website the Huffington Post apparently stop at the office door. When your company is worth $315 million, it’s hard to make excuses for not paying your writers, and so the Newspaper Guild is urging the site’s unpaid bloggers to strike, in a controversy that has gone oddly undermentioned in the left-wing blogosphere. The Wrap reports:

    Arianna Huffington scoffed at a group of unpaid Huffington Post contributors that announced on Wednesday they would stop contributing content to the site, weeks after its $315 million sale to AOL was announced.

    “The idea of going on strike when no one really notices,” Huffington said. “Go ahead, go on strike.”

    The controversy arose after writers for the websites ArtScene and Visual Art Source , which had been contributing content to the Huffington Post for free since 2010, refuse to contribute additional material to the site unless they got paid. They are asking for a pay schedule and requesting that promotional material no longer be published alongside editorial content.

    How many Maine Teenagers complained about the proposed Maine Law.
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  • JohnGalt exhon2009 April 04, 2011 13:19:31
    JohnGalt
    So.. you're comparing a choice by writers to offer their stories for free...with Child labor laws?
    Sorry.. I just don't see how you extrapolated that one.
  • exhon2009 JohnGalt April 04, 2011 17:43:44
    exhon2009
    John, now that their writings have garnered a third of a billion dollars for that pig at the trough Ariana Huffington, the writers are demanding a piece of the action. Just pointing out that liberals only take what they perceive to be the moral high ground when OPM is involved. (Other people's money). Michael Moore claims that money is a national resource that belongs to the people. Meanwhile he's suing someone related to his documentary films to get 2 million of the people's resources for himself.

    Ariana Huffington calls families that drive SUV's Pigs yet flits around the world on private jets. Now that she has made over 300 million dollars off the sweat of her writer's brows she's telling the writers tough $hit. Your turn of the last century photo showing children in sweat shop conditions was sensationalist and no decent person would support that. I don't see the parrallel between a summer job for a teen that needs to make payments on his or her new car as being tantamount to sweat shop conditions.
  • Soundstorm April 01, 2011 20:55:59
    Soundstorm
    +2
    Here's a solution to youth being lost to gangs and drug use right in front of us and the liberals think just flipping up a scene from a century old silent film settles the issue.
  • TJ April 01, 2011 19:52:18
    TJ
    +4
    Democrats promote further hardship for poor families, unemployment & rising debt, through under-the-table untaxed teen labor. Employment obstacles used as recruiting tool for drug dealers and sex trade.
    How's that for a sensational headline?

    I remember summer jobs growing up gave me money to do things I otherwise would not have had the means to do. My father did more grueling work around the farm as a kid (unpaid) than I have ever had to do on a job. Considering that manufacturing jobs make up less than 15% GDP, I think it's unlikely kids are going to risk being sucked into the metal press or trapped in the coal mine any time soon. ...More likely, they'll get a papercut alphabetizing legal documents, or get a parched throat from prolonged telemarketing.

    By trying to keep all the power centralized with the Feds (which is what all of your cited examples involve) you end up creating more obstacles for teens (especially working class teens or those with parents who are unemployed) to gain legitimate employment. I would imagine that many will just work for cash, or spend their time making real money in more unsavory markets.
  • The Dude TJ April 01, 2011 19:54:19
  • Geenie ... TJ April 02, 2011 01:01:08
    Geenie Nabottle
    +1
    Ahh no what they are doing is laying the ground work so that adults can be paid even lower wages.

    Right now they have to not only compete in an economy where businesses are outsourcing jobs by the ton reducing the work available but the Gov of this state whats them to compete with children being paid lower wages for the same job.
  • TJ Geenie ... April 02, 2011 03:36:09
    TJ
    This is an employer's market. Provided you don't have an industry reliant on union labor the down economy has pretty much tilted the curve towards more productivity for less pay (if you want to keep your job). There are tons of people on the market, but that doesn't mean everybody's competing for every job. You need skills to pay the bills... and some kinda hustle on the side.
    The sad part is, adults have had to settle for jobs that they're wildly overqualified for. So who gets shafted? Low skilled laborers, uneducated minorities, and teenagers trying to make gas money to hang with their friends.
    Republicans should, rightly, be fighting for the Federal government to get their nose out of local state issues. In Idaho they still let kids out of school for a week or so to harvest potatoes. Gasp! Call Eric Holder... Oh wait, people (adolescents & adult) actually enjoy the time they spend working with their families and taking part in a tradition that actually benefits their families financially. You can't even get a legitimate paper route anymore.... Seriously, how many people have a kid on a bike deliver the newspaper? I know, I know... "What's a newspaper"... ; )
  • Geenie ... TJ April 02, 2011 07:18:01 (edited)
    Geenie Nabottle
    +1
    "More productivity for less pay (if you want to keep your job)"

    So let me get this straight you think it is ok for major employers who have made record profits in the last 2-3 quaters to over work their employees because they can?

    "Labour was the first price, the original purchase - money that was paid for all things. It was not by gold or by silver, but by labour, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased." - Adam Smith

    Sorry but I dont feel the worker should have to roll over so the man at the top can make a bigger profit margin. Without the labor NO profits are made.

    We shoud not have to conceede our liberty based on who can hire or fire us.
  • TJ Geenie ... April 04, 2011 14:26:45
    TJ
    I don't know what kind of job you have, but with all the uncertainty out there, the huge financial disaster we just encountered, and no clear path out of the woods - my company is doing more with less.
    Doing more with less doesn't mean what it used to. We're not shoveling more coal into the steam-shovel boiler. It means we're not taking the big risks we used to. We're not tossing marketing dollars at high-production print materials, because we can deliver messaging better through digital media. We're not traveling as much. We're hiring freelancers on a project basis, versus building up internal services. We've regretfully had to lay off redundant positions, and streamlined our workflows as much as possible.
    All of that said, our economy is dominated by service industries. We're not talking about people getting laid off who only know how to operate one machine, or assemble one type of widget. Those positions are flourishing in freer markets that have encouraged industrial production by hook or by crook... Places like China who, coincidentally, also own most of the gold and silver that may or may not back the "wealth of the world".
  • Geenie ... TJ April 04, 2011 22:09:46
    Geenie Nabottle
    What you describe are efficiencies. What Im talking about is being in a salaried position where you work 80+ hours a week, check in on the weekends to make sure everything is still running smooth, not really being able to take a vacation day because there is no one to cover and responsbile for the same workload as when there were 2 or 3 people sharing the workload. It becomes taxing on a person. Their personal lives begin to suffer. Their children are neglected. It is only a win for the employer. And because we are all but slaves to the almighty dollar we have no choice but to remain enslaved.

    I don't think I can admire a workplace like China where commiting suicide is how you get time off.
  • TJ Geenie ... April 04, 2011 22:39:17
    TJ
    I think we're on the same page, we are just reading it differently.
    This post is about where the locus of control for businesses should lie (with a centralized government that paints everything with a broad equalizing stroke - or - with local state-made decisions that can tailor decisions for their unique set of circumstances).
    If you're for the Federal government pulling the strings, then you are for fewer jobs and less opportunity for the American citizens that make up the small businesses and large corporations who fuel domestic growth.
  • Geenie ... TJ April 04, 2011 22:59:37
    Geenie Nabottle
    I think, however if we continue on the this path where we begin to create a sub-population employment pool that earns lower wages than another portion of the employment pool it will drive down wages for all. And with current inflation rates and an employment model encourage business to undercut pay to maximize profit margins we lay the ground work for a society not just working poor but working impoverished.
  • TJ Geenie ... April 04, 2011 14:36:34
    TJ
    On another note, isn't it a shame that we can't promote our kids to be educated by real world experience?
    I read a sad OpEd piece in the Times this weekend talking about how universities and corporations should frown on unpaid internships. To me, we've successfully frowned practical vocational training into the gutter, and now we encourage people, who could otherwise be making money shortly after they graduate, to accumulate crippling debts that don't guarantee increased wages.
    Let's call an unpaid internship what it is - an apprenticeship.
    And for all the support of Union organizing, lets hold those union leaders accountable who have failed to offer their members practical training in an evolving economy... I have family members who have been part of a union my whole life who can't use a computer. If you're not pro-personal-accountability and adaptability, then you should at least be pro-opportunity - and without simple skills you have less and less of both.
  • RogerCoppock April 01, 2011 19:44:25 (edited)
    RogerCoppock
    +3
    How low can those Republicans go?

    Next stop, child mercenary warriors.
  • The Dude RogerCo... April 01, 2011 19:54:48
  • RogerCo... The Dude April 01, 2011 20:00:10
    RogerCoppock
    +1
    How is anything I said use of a Strawman?
  • Soundstorm RogerCo... April 01, 2011 21:29:36
    Soundstorm
    Hello? Time to wake up, Rip Van Winkle. This is the 21st century and you need to get up to speed. You've obviously been sleeping for 200 years.
  • RogerCo... Soundstorm April 01, 2011 21:32:32
    RogerCoppock
    You obviously don't understand the term. Please see:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • Soundstorm RogerCo... April 01, 2011 21:40:21
    Soundstorm
    That strawman photo was posted by Adam. You should discuss it with him.

    Oh and welcome to the 21st century, Rip. We're just trying to introduce our youths to the workforce where they can build a foundation for an honest law abiding career instead of being sucked into a life of crime and welfare dependency. Nothing to do with exploitation. Just trying to repair the damage to our civilization caused by liberal policies.
  • Auntie J "GOD IS LOVE"-1Joh... April 01, 2011 19:11:21
    Auntie J "GOD IS LOVE"-1John 4:15
    +1
    The repugs exploit everything they get their hands on.
  • Soundstorm Auntie ... April 01, 2011 21:32:12
    Soundstorm
    Exploiting your ignorant emotions is child's play for the Democrats.
  • lrb April 01, 2011 18:48:43
    lrb
    +7
    Of course maybe by lowering the wage it will allow kids to get summer jobs that would not have existed at the artificially high minimum wage. But that does not conform to the social narrative.
  • The Dude lrb April 01, 2011 19:25:11 (edited)
    The Dude
    +6
    Irb, I have tried to explain this very concept to many people and they simply do not get it.The "Kumbay yah" crowd doesn't understand the fact that the minimum wage, aside from the fact that it could NEVER be a living wage, is a barrier to employment to the younger, inexperienced workers. It's also why the unemployment rate amongst poor minorities is way higher than the national average. They don't understand the fact that every time the Minimum Wage goes up, everybody else's buying power is decreased. It's a never-ending cycle which only hurts the most vulnerable, unskilled workers.
  • lrb The Dude April 01, 2011 19:52:53
    lrb
    +5
    Yeah, but in the very short term it buys a little bit more. That quickly evaporates. But it's perception over reality. Wages are best set with supply and demand and not some artificial government mandate.
  • The Dude lrb April 01, 2011 19:56:45
    The Dude
    +4
    Precisely. It's a very short-term shot in the arm....It also helps get people elected...
  • lrb The Dude April 01, 2011 19:58:14
    lrb
    +3
    Short term boost long term problem especially when it helps get an idiot elected. Or rather helps get an idiot elected who intends to steal from you and call it progress. :)
  • Magus BN-0 April 01, 2011 18:37:55
    Magus BN-0
    +1
    Does David Burns not realize that there's a federal minimum wage of $7.25/hour?
  • Soundstorm Magus BN-0 April 01, 2011 21:01:00
    Soundstorm
    Do you not realize we have 10% unemployment because most American businesses are priced out of the market by artificially mandated government regulatory expenses?
  • Magus BN-0 Soundstorm April 02, 2011 00:07:43 (edited)
    Magus BN-0
    No, because I tend not to "realize" untrue things.
  • Soundstorm Magus BN-0 April 02, 2011 00:11:22 (edited)
    Soundstorm
    You're breaking up there. I'll give you time to reedit your message to correct typos and syntax. Unless that's how you intended to word your response.

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