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REMEMBER WHEN OBAMA SAID HE WANTED TO EMULATE ABRAHAM LINCOLN?? DO YOU THINK OLD ABE WOULD BE PROUD??

Drue-AFCL 2012/05/05 17:01:43
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  • Beccy 2012/05/12 17:10:10
    NO
    Beccy
    I think if Lincon hadn't been killed history would have been much different.
  • Aqua Surf BTO-t-BCRA-F 2012/05/11 01:53:19
    NO
    Aqua Surf BTO-t-BCRA-F
    Puzzled and confused about how this idiot in the WH got there in the first place, is how I think old Abe would feel.
  • Hsmagst 2012/05/06 22:03:37
  • Lee Hsmagst 2012/05/10 12:17:14 (edited)
    Lee
    Lincoln's most vocal opponents were anti-government states-rightist ultra-Conservative Nut Jobs.

    And guess what?

    Obama's most vocal opponents are anti-government states-rightist ultra-Conservative Nut Jobs.
  • Aqua Su... Hsmagst 2012/05/11 01:53:51
    Aqua Surf BTO-t-BCRA-F
    That too.
  • Bowman 2012/05/06 15:20:57
    NO
    Bowman
    +3

    We need another Lincoln like we need another Civil War.
  • cinbadl 2012/05/06 14:59:54
  • Ukie 2012/05/06 14:44:12
    NO
    Ukie
    +1
    He is turning over in his grave!!
  • bluelady 2012/05/06 13:34:53
    NO
    bluelady
    +1
    he would be appalled
  • Lee bluelady 2012/05/06 14:07:28
    Lee
    +1
    God Bless President Obama and the Democrats.

    And God, please save us from the Repugnant Ones.

    Amen
  • Flamingolady 2012/05/06 13:28:23
  • David Flaming... 2012/05/07 14:42:04
    David
    Interesting that you've bought into the whole "Lincoln freed the slaves" hagiography. It's ahistorical, but amusing nonetheless.
  • Wahvlvke 2012/05/06 12:01:30
    NO
    Wahvlvke
    Abe is probably turning over in his grave.
  • socokid 2012/05/06 11:51:02
    NO
    socokid
    +2
    After witnessing what the republican party has become?

    LOL... he'd want to be put right back in the ground after the biggest eye roll in history...
  • Gunner 2012/05/06 11:17:14
    NO
    Gunner
    Abe is probably rolling over in his grave.
  • 2sly 2012/05/06 11:17:11
  • Brendan Mcdonald 2012/05/06 09:59:02
    YES
    Brendan Mcdonald
    +4
    Why? Because republicans circa 1865 very different than present day republicans.
  • Fred Brendan... 2012/05/06 12:47:57
    Fred
    How is that?
  • Brendan... Fred 2012/05/06 21:00:14
    Brendan Mcdonald
    +1
    Republicans were pretty liberal back then when it came to civil rights freeing the slaves etc, for some reason in the 20th century they switched sides the hard core conservatives and religous right went republican and the democrats became the liberals. I mean when you really think of it they are just words with no true definition. We can do the song and dance about republicans always being true conservatives but the republican party was founded on the anti slavery movement, wanting to change the way a country dose business and has sence its birth almost and free people as equals that most people in the nation don't view as their equal is anything but conservative that my friend is a liberal mindset. To be a Conservative explains itself in the word,

    con·serv·a·tive/kənˈsərvətiv/

    Adjective:
    Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion

    Why is it now that republicans are the conservatives when it comes to social and political atitudes what happened? I mean the republican party now would be unrecognizable from the people who started the republican party including Mr. Lincoln.
  • Fred Brendan... 2012/05/08 12:31:33
    Fred
    Fighting the Jim Crow laws that the democratic south had .
  • Brendan... Fred 2012/05/08 13:33:29
    Brendan Mcdonald
    Yes because back then the Democratic party were the conservatives.
  • Pops 2012/05/06 09:27:02
    NO
    Pops
    I hope not !
  • Arizona1950 2012/05/06 06:58:16
    NO
    Arizona1950
    In no way shape or form does Obama emulate Abe Lincoln but perhaps in his own mind as a strategy to gain votes.
  • Prairie Wind 2012/05/06 06:28:25
    NO
    Prairie Wind
    +5
    President Lincoln worked to free the enslaved and Obama is attempting to enslave the free!
  • Arizona... Prairie... 2012/05/06 06:52:12
    Arizona1950
    +3
    Great comment!
  • Beccy Prairie... 2012/05/12 17:12:25
    Beccy
    +1
    It seemed like the racial tensions were gone before Obama started running for office.
  • shenendoah 2012/05/06 06:11:31
    NO
    shenendoah
    +2
    Oh, hell no. Old Abe respected the office of president. He wanted to see an end to the civil war and obama is trying to start another one.
  • Arizona... shenendoah 2012/05/06 06:53:06
    Arizona1950
    +1
    It certainly seems that way.
  • lurx: the soda jerk 2012/05/06 06:02:38
    YES
    lurx: the soda jerk
    +2
    Today, Abraham Lincoln (along with Thomas Jefferson and Teddy Roosevelt) would all be considered "socialists" by the tea party crowd because they supported progressive taxation.
  • David lurx: t... 2012/05/07 14:51:24 (edited)
    David
    +1
    Lincoln: Progressive income tax (eventually struck down by Supreme Court; required the 16th Amendment, supposedly ratified in 1913, to get by SCOTUS, 52 years after Lincoln's income tax); _regressive_ draft (anyone with the money could buy their way out); muzzling free speech (jailed newspaper editors who disagreed with his policies); voting fraud (New York: BIG vote fraud in Lincoln's re-election); ant-democratic (sent in the federal army to ARREST the Maryland legislature which had voted to stay in the Union but also to NOT support Mr. Lincoln's war but seek a peaceful resolution to conflict with Southern states), etc.

    Hmmm, even The Zero has some going to catch up with Emperor Lincoln, although he's working as fast as he can to subvert and even ashcan the Constitution.
  • lurx: t... David 2012/05/07 14:57:38 (edited)
    lurx: the soda jerk
    I always wondered how the NRA folks would think about the Continental Congress choosing to dis-arm the loyalists before the Revolutionary War.

    ...maybe if they had their way back then we would still be a British colony.
  • joe mauro 2012/05/06 05:58:09
    YES
    joe mauro
    +2
    he was just as progressive as barry
  • john Kills 2012/05/06 05:29:21
    NO
    john Kills
    Barry wouldn't make a pimple on Abe's ass.
  • Username? What's that? 2012/05/06 05:19:17
  • Keith 2012/05/06 04:58:02
    NO
    Keith
    Lincoln ended slavery not because he wanted to help better the blacks in America but because he felt slavery was babarbic and had no place in a civilized society. He also wanted to send them back to Africa but failed to do so. I think he would probally flip out if he knew America would have a black president, most of the founded fathers would.
  • David Keith 2012/05/07 15:01:58
    David
    Hmmm, "Lincoln ended slavery"? Not quite. Slavery didn't end until well after his death. The so-called "Civil War" (I prefer "The Great Unitarian-Baptist Shootout" as it was just a continuation of the oppression of free association and states--or local--rights begun in an earlier, more "polite" conflict of the same basic nature) was only about slavery to the extent that Mr. Lincoln needed the issue to sell his war to abolitionist supporters; the real reasons were money and power. For Lincoln's primary war backers, money; for Mr. Lincoln, his oft-expressed view that federal government essentially had no brakes on its power.



    And the "Emancipation Proclamation" freed no one. It was an edict that stated that those persons NOT under his jurisdiction who were slaves were freed, but for slaves in Union slave States, no change in status. Besides, he had no constitutional authority to make such a statement even as regarded the Union (which is probably one reason he didn't even try to free any slaves in the Union, save for one he claimed to try to free by attempting to purchase him).
  • Lee David 2012/05/09 01:51:22 (edited)
    Lee
    What do you mean the emancipation proclamation freed no one ? How ignorant are you?

    From the standpoint of the Union, there never was a Confederate States of America. The so-called Confederacy had NO legitimacy in the eyes of the United States Government.

    The South just happened to be filled with nasty states-rightist traitors and secessionists.

    And Lincoln officially freed the slaves in the areas of contention.

    The Emancipation Proclamation was a brilliant political move on Lincoln's part. it completely rearranged international relationships.

    The Union suddenly gained the moral high ground in the eyes of the world. And European powers could not morally justify supporting a band of secessionist slavers and thugs, which is what the Emancipation Proclamation had made the rebels.

    Try not to be such an idiot. Your posts are filled with such blatant BS. Try learning something before you flap your gums.

    Come on now . . . admit it.

    Wouldn't you like to know what you are talking about for a change?
  • David Lee 2012/05/09 13:10:21
    David
    Oh, hilarious! You're still standing out on the street corner raving at the moon. You must be a blast screaming at passers-by during rush hour.



    As to the lack of substance in your mad, historically illiterate, one-overheated-brain-cell rant, I'll give you one point, even though you only half got that one: as a political move, the Emancipation Proclamation was cynically brilliant. Any assertion that it freed a single slave is asinine and ahistorical. How many Northern/Union slaves did it free? (None.) How many slaves in the Confederacy did it free? None. It was political bushwah, pure and simple. It was also without any constitutional authority.



    As to "The Union suddenly gained the moral high ground," do you realize what you inadvertently admitted there? (Of course not. Lincoln hagiographers are immune to reason.)



    How illiterate are you, really?
  • Lee David 2012/05/09 13:57:45 (edited)
    Lee
    You can shout insults, but that does not lend any legitimacy to your claims. It just makes your position look as weak and untenable as it really is. So please carry on . . .

    Yes Lincoln did legally free the slaves in a vast swath of America by Executive Order. The so-called Confederacy was never a legitimate nation.

    Had the war not been going on, Lincoln's Constitutional authority would have been challenged by the political clout of the South. But the South no longer had any political strength within the Union.

    Southern Slaves were legally freed . . . Which, I admit, did not make it impossible for them to be illegally detained by traitorous, ultra-Conservative, anti-government secessionists.

    The Confederacy desperately wanted to be recognized internationally as a nation, and it wanted to ally itself with European powers, but after the Emancipation Proclamation, no European nation would even consider such an alliance.

    "As Lincoln had hoped, the Proclamation turned foreign popular opinion in favor of the Union by adding the ending of slavery as a goal of the war. That shift ended the Confederacy's hopes of gaining official recognition, particularly from the United Kingdom, which had abolished slavery."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was an act of inspired genius.
  • David Lee 2012/05/09 22:04:14
    David
    Oh, so in addition to being an historically illiterate boob, you think a citation of Wikipedia is authoritative? A boob who can't do his own research (or his own homework). Your comments (and apparently your very person) are worthless. You would lose in a battle of intelligence with a 10-year-old cracked crock of spoiled kimchi.



    I have no further use for your well-demonstrated stupidity.
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