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Rebuttal To Are The Black Panthers Racist ?

ExTeaParty 2010/06/14 13:58:38
Recently a question was posed asking if the Black Panthers are racist ?

The real agenda of the question was to point fingers at other racists to deny the racism the Tea party has been accused of.

The answer to the Black Panther question would depend on their actions and words. If all you are judging them on is the color of their skin, the fact that they are a black militia, and that they are a black organization then the answer is no!

Now lets compare the Tea Party to the Black Panthers shall we:

The Tea Party is primarily white. Does that make them racist ? NO

The Tea Party has militia organizations. Does that make them racist ? NO

Do these things make the Tea party an organization that supports racism:

Holding up clearly racist signs at rallies- YES

Having connections to Stornfront white supremacists- YES

Having David Duke say he has THOUSANDS of TP supporters- YES

Supporting Rand and Ron Paul that have accepted donations from Stormfront and do not support civil rights YES

Constant referral to Obama as a non citizen from Kenya even though evidence proves he is a US citizen- YES

Holding rallies to promote racsism and hate- YES YES YES!

Here is the recent ARIZONA Tea Party rally and you can clearly see the racism and hate the Tea Party is promoting:




So are the Black Panthers racist- maybe but where is the evidence ?

Is the Tea Party racist- all evidence says YES!
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  • #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT... 2010/06/15 00:30:04
    #Justice4Trayvon 629 BLOCKT CONS
    +7
    I've always had a thing about going to the dictionary to get the definition of a word/term. Bear along with me while I do that first:

    rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
    –noun
    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm)
    n.
    The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

    Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

    rac'ist adj. & n.

    Word Origin & History

    racist
    1932 as a noun, 1938 as an adjective, from race (n.2); racism is first attested 1936 (from Fr. racisme , 1935), originally in the context of Nazi theories. But they replaced earlier words, racialism (1907) and racialist (1917), both often used at first in a British or South African context.

    Cultural Dictionary
    racism definition

    The belief that some races are inherently superior (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others and therefore have a right to dominate them. In the Uni...



    I've always had a thing about going to the dictionary to get the definition of a word/term. Bear along with me while I do that first:

    rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
    –noun
    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm)
    n.
    The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

    Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

    rac'ist adj. & n.

    Word Origin & History

    racist
    1932 as a noun, 1938 as an adjective, from race (n.2); racism is first attested 1936 (from Fr. racisme , 1935), originally in the context of Nazi theories. But they replaced earlier words, racialism (1907) and racialist (1917), both often used at first in a British or South African context.

    Cultural Dictionary
    racism definition

    The belief that some races are inherently superior (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others and therefore have a right to dominate them. In the United States, racism, particularly by whites against blacks, has created profound racial tension and conflict in virtually all aspects of American society. Until the breakthroughs achieved by the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s, white domination over blacks was institutionalized and supported in all branches and levels of government, by denying blacks their civil rights and opportunities to participate in political, economic, and social communities.

    MY RESPONSE: Any organization is capable of racism. Some organizations are racist to the core. I will even say that I am relatively confident there is at least one racist in any organization.

    THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE TEA PARTY IS: Not once have I heard one speaker or one politician REBUKE any member of a rally who has spoken hateful speech or hateful signs carried at their rallies. We all have heard the saying "Silence gives consent." My Bible tells me that "Open rebuke is better than secret love." The "Obamacare witch doctor" signs shown at many rallies during the HCR days certainly appeared to be professionally done. Whatever organization that handed out them signs at the TP rallies should have been called out on it. WHY?--BECAUSE YOU WERE ENDORSING THE CARICATURE OF THE POTUS AS AN AFRICAN WITCH DOCTOR. BY ENDORSING IT YOU WERE SAYING "I AM A RACIST ALSO BECAUSE I AM MAKING SURE THIS RACIST MESSAGE IS DISSEMINATED AMONG THE MASSES HERE AT THIS RALLY."
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  • concerned 2010/07/24 04:19:39
    concerned
    Yes the Black Planters r racist and so r the Tea Party ... so lets start a caus in the house of rep. for the Black Planters too call up Michelle bauckman
  • Chris Wiseman 2010/07/19 18:04:29
    Chris Wiseman
    "In an interview with ABC’s This Week, Vice President Joe Biden says neither he nor President Obama believes the Tea Party is a "racist organization," but he acknowledged some elements of the movement have "expressed racist views."

    "I wouldn’t characterize the Tea Party as racist," Biden said.

    "There individuals who are either members of or on the periphery of some of ... their protests that have expressed really unfortunate comments. (But) I don't believe, the president doesn't believe that the Tea Party is a racist organization."

    Their views, Biden said, are "very conservative."

    "(We have) very different views on government and a whole lot of things," he said. "But it is not a racist organization."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog...

    "You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

    Those were the words of Minister King Samir Shabazz, also known as Maurice Heath, the New Black Panther Party's Philadelphia leader.

    Shabazz is the same man the Obama administration Department of Justice refused to prosecute after he was filmed on Election Day 2008 with Jerry Jackson wearing paramilitary uniforms, carrying a nightstick and blocking a doorway to a polling location to intimidate voters.

    In a 2008 interview with the ...






    "In an interview with ABC’s This Week, Vice President Joe Biden says neither he nor President Obama believes the Tea Party is a "racist organization," but he acknowledged some elements of the movement have "expressed racist views."

    "I wouldn’t characterize the Tea Party as racist," Biden said.

    "There individuals who are either members of or on the periphery of some of ... their protests that have expressed really unfortunate comments. (But) I don't believe, the president doesn't believe that the Tea Party is a racist organization."

    Their views, Biden said, are "very conservative."

    "(We have) very different views on government and a whole lot of things," he said. "But it is not a racist organization."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog...

    "You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

    Those were the words of Minister King Samir Shabazz, also known as Maurice Heath, the New Black Panther Party's Philadelphia leader.

    Shabazz is the same man the Obama administration Department of Justice refused to prosecute after he was filmed on Election Day 2008 with Jerry Jackson wearing paramilitary uniforms, carrying a nightstick and blocking a doorway to a polling location to intimidate voters.

    In a 2008 interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer, Sabazz said, "I'm about the total destruction of white people. I'm about the total liberation of black people. I hate white people. I hate my enemy. ..."

    National Geographic describes the New Black Panther Party as "a militant hate group headquartered in Washington, D.C., that seeks to redefine the black struggle for equality and demand liberation from what it sees as white supremacy."
    Recently Geraldo Rivera confronted Malik Zulu Shabazz, the president of the New Black Panthers regarding his organization's racist activities. Shabazz supported his group's racist acts and further stated the New Black Panthers intend to disrupt Glenn Beck's August 28 rally at the Lincoln Monument, claiming it is disrespectful to blacks because it takes place on Dr. King's birthday. When Geraldo countered that Dr. King's birthday is in January, Shabazz corrected himself and stated that Beck is being disrespectful to blacks because August 28 is the date of Martin Luther King's death. That too is incorrect; Dr. King died on April 4, 1968.

    Shabezz also accused Geraldo and his relatives of betraying Castro's Cuba by fleeing to America; Rivera's father was Puerto Rican, and his mother was Ashkenazi Jewish. Shabazz further bragged that the New Black Panther uniforms were copies of the uniforms worn by the beloved Cuban leaders, Castro and Che. The "beloved" Castro and Che executed over 100,000 Cuban political prisoners without a trial and incarcerated over 350,000 Cuban citizens. Che, who referred to himself as Stalin II, enjoyed torturing and abusing prisoners and set up Castro's forced labor camps. The true disrespect to black people is not Glenn Beck's August 28 rally, but Shabazz's sociopath racist hatred, his indifference to accuracy regarding the life of Martin Luther King, Jr., and his praise of Cuban genocidal leaders.

    So who is the racist organization?
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  • strawberry 2010/07/08 00:37:03 (edited)
    strawberry
    http://www.marxists.org/histo...
    "In October 1966, in Oakland California, Huey Newton and Bobby Seale founded the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. The Panthers practiced militant self-defense of minority communities against the U.S. government, and fought to establish revolutionary socialism through mass organizing and community based programs. The party was one of the first organizations in U.S. history to militantly struggle for ethnic minority and working class emancipation - a party whose agenda was the revolutionary establishment of real economic, social, and political equality across gender and color lines."
    No Black Panthers are not racist; they are a militant group of revolutionaries who once followed Malcom X belief of international working class unity crossing the spectrum of color and gender, uniting with minority and white revolutionary groups. They embraced forceful measures over peaceful measures for equal materialism preaching force to gain it. They became a threat and fear to the U.S. government, and police because of their violent methods of gaining equality. They do represent black power. In 1967 the police arrested Huey Newton for killing an Oakland cop. They branched out with other revolutionary parties. Stokely Carmichael, a nationally known proponen...

    http://www.marxists.org/histo...
    "In October 1966, in Oakland California, Huey Newton and Bobby Seale founded the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. The Panthers practiced militant self-defense of minority communities against the U.S. government, and fought to establish revolutionary socialism through mass organizing and community based programs. The party was one of the first organizations in U.S. history to militantly struggle for ethnic minority and working class emancipation - a party whose agenda was the revolutionary establishment of real economic, social, and political equality across gender and color lines."
    No Black Panthers are not racist; they are a militant group of revolutionaries who once followed Malcom X belief of international working class unity crossing the spectrum of color and gender, uniting with minority and white revolutionary groups. They embraced forceful measures over peaceful measures for equal materialism preaching force to gain it. They became a threat and fear to the U.S. government, and police because of their violent methods of gaining equality. They do represent black power. In 1967 the police arrested Huey Newton for killing an Oakland cop. They branched out with other revolutionary parties. Stokely Carmichael, a nationally known proponent of Black Power became the parties Prime Minister in 1968. Carmichel was against allowing whites into the black liberation movement claiming whites cannot relate to the black experience. They were in reality socialists mainly for the benefit of the Black race and other poor minority races including the American Indian Movement. The FBI destroyed the party through a program of psychological warfare, designed to split them both politically and morally using espionage, and chemical warfare.

    They are not racist but their sole purpose was for empowerment of the Black race. Yet if you put that in reverse with a white militant group such as "Skinheads" they want to preserve the white heritage but their purpose is to eradicate other races. What troubles me is the white race does have a right to improve their own economic status, yet programs such as having minority race quotas for jobs and college seats is very racist over qualifications.
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  • WankerBait 2010/07/07 16:53:38
    WankerBait
    The film is clear evidence of the systematic dumbing down of the USA ...
  • Brick that were shat. 2010/07/07 11:54:11
    Brick that were shat.
    Everyone is a racist.
  • Melizmatic Brick t... 2010/07/07 16:01:43
    Melizmatic
    +2
    No, they aren't.

    Everyone is PREJUDICED (which means to prejudge) against someone or something, that's true.

    We ALL have judged others before we knew anything about them.

    However, Racism & Prejudice ARE NOT interchangeable terms.
  • TheJoker 2010/07/07 10:02:18
    TheJoker
    +1
    I do basically agree. Yes, the Tea Party are clearly racist..... the Black Panthers, well, they may well be racist to, however, if they are, I dont really blame them.
  • Ric O'Shea® 2010/07/06 23:20:43
  • Manuel 2010/07/06 21:50:50 (edited)
    Manuel
    +4
    The Black Panthers started out of necessity. Racist white Police and racist whites were shooting down blacks like duck hunting season in Chicago and NYC. And no white police or racists was brought up on charges even if black kids got killed. So a black militia was formed by Blacks that understood all the gun laws of that day. They would patrol the black Areas kinda like the Guardian Angles for the blacks in their hoods back then. The cops didn't like it because not only of the guns but now they were being watched. This is the basics of it. And this group evolved out of white racism.
  • WshngMchn Manuel 2010/07/06 22:48:13
    WshngMchn
    +1
    Exactly. The Black Panthers didn't necessarily think whites were "inferior," they were just defending themselves against existing injustice.
  • Ric O'S... WshngMchn 2010/07/06 23:09:30
  • Manuel Ric O'S... 2010/07/07 14:56:36
    Manuel
    +1
    That's a very good question...but let me try to answer it. The new gun laws were made by white conservatives. But it was also strange that the American Rife acc. Didn't even protest against it back then because it was a law designed for white cops to use against the Black Panthers and not white people even though they made it a law. Cops just didn't really bother white people with their guns at that time of this law. But later it was removed because it was voted unconstitutional.
  • Ric O'S... Manuel 2010/07/06 23:11:15
  • Manuel Ric O'S... 2010/07/07 02:18:33 (edited)
    Manuel
    +1
    Yes that right for the same reasons....but it spread to Chicago and NYC were the conflicts were much more serious and political conservatives made changes in gun laws back then that went against the US Constitution just to un-arm the Panthers in cities . But here is the run down...and it's not that accurate so I added the missing comments.... ....Huey Newton and fellow activist Bobby Seale founded the radical Black Panther Party in 1966. Under their leadership the group became a political force both admired and feared for its aggressively militant stance. ( they did not go into white hood and provoke any whites. It was them against the racist white corrupted Oakland police department).

    In 1967 Newton was arrested and charged with killing an Oakland police officer during a dispute, ( which was never clearly proven, it backed fired on the cop in question who wanted to kill Newton in the first place) leading to a much-publicized "Free Huey" campaign organized by the Panthers. (And white hippies of the day)

    His 1968 conviction was overturned due to procedural errors. ( No it was over turned because they could not prove he murdered the cop) In 1973 Newton escaped other criminal charges by fleeing to Cuba; he returned in 1977 and in 1980 earned a doctorate in philosophy from the ...
    Yes that right for the same reasons....but it spread to Chicago and NYC were the conflicts were much more serious and political conservatives made changes in gun laws back then that went against the US Constitution just to un-arm the Panthers in cities . But here is the run down...and it's not that accurate so I added the missing comments.... ....Huey Newton and fellow activist Bobby Seale founded the radical Black Panther Party in 1966. Under their leadership the group became a political force both admired and feared for its aggressively militant stance. ( they did not go into white hood and provoke any whites. It was them against the racist white corrupted Oakland police department).

    In 1967 Newton was arrested and charged with killing an Oakland police officer during a dispute, ( which was never clearly proven, it backed fired on the cop in question who wanted to kill Newton in the first place) leading to a much-publicized "Free Huey" campaign organized by the Panthers. (And white hippies of the day)

    His 1968 conviction was overturned due to procedural errors. ( No it was over turned because they could not prove he murdered the cop) In 1973 Newton escaped other criminal charges by fleeing to Cuba; he returned in 1977 and in 1980 earned a doctorate in philosophy from the University of California. (if he had other criminal charges pending do you think they would have let him go to college?) Newton was killed in a 1989 dispute with a drug dealer. ( that is still to this day controversial, they think also some of the old beef with the Oakland police dept caught up with him and did him in but neither can be proved) . hope this helps clear the air.....
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  • Mallah'... Manuel 2010/07/07 03:54:08
    Mallah's Brain
    word. gays need to do that.
  • Manuel Mallah'... 2010/07/07 04:21:22
    Manuel
    gays need to do what..........?
  • fnordfnordfnord 2010/07/06 20:35:13
    fnordfnordfnord
    damn.
  • Steven 2010/07/06 19:51:19
    Steven
    Some black racists are discreet. Most of your black racists are not involved in any organized movements. Would I say black panthers are racists. I'd say probably a lot of them. I've experienced a lot of racism from some black people. Mostly in the bay area. Which is odd because I haven't seen hardly any racist white people there.

    The tea party movement has a hard time not appearing racists even when they walk around telling their supporters to get rid of their racist signs. Because you get people on this band wagon. And they can make up stuff as they go along. Or hang onto the hoaxes, lies, rumors and anything else they can think of to want to hang the Prez with. They all want a rational reason and if you shoot down the lies, hoaxes and rumors. They still hold onto this health care and the deficit, and socialism crap. It's not socialism because you say so. There are lots of things that need to be reformed! Or have been recently. Like the way the oil people do business! They way crooked schemes have taken place on wall street. The people who should of been watching something other than porn! What it all boils down to. Is it's just too damned bad none of this was fixed during Bush's term. But it didn't because his tax cuts had more going out than in, which meant some body had ...
    Some black racists are discreet. Most of your black racists are not involved in any organized movements. Would I say black panthers are racists. I'd say probably a lot of them. I've experienced a lot of racism from some black people. Mostly in the bay area. Which is odd because I haven't seen hardly any racist white people there.

    The tea party movement has a hard time not appearing racists even when they walk around telling their supporters to get rid of their racist signs. Because you get people on this band wagon. And they can make up stuff as they go along. Or hang onto the hoaxes, lies, rumors and anything else they can think of to want to hang the Prez with. They all want a rational reason and if you shoot down the lies, hoaxes and rumors. They still hold onto this health care and the deficit, and socialism crap. It's not socialism because you say so. There are lots of things that need to be reformed! Or have been recently. Like the way the oil people do business! They way crooked schemes have taken place on wall street. The people who should of been watching something other than porn! What it all boils down to. Is it's just too damned bad none of this was fixed during Bush's term. But it didn't because his tax cuts had more going out than in, which meant some body had to come in and fix it. And if Obama doesn't fix everything. Then elect me, I'll make sure no one is watching porn on the clock when they are supposed to be making sure our economy isn't going down the toilet! I'll make sure none of our prisoners are getting tortured, or being killed, or being turned into some gay fest side show because some guy in the military wants to record prisoners in some gay homo-erotic film fest! Something has been seriously wrong with out country with things like this going on. It's unacceptable! So people are surprised and angry that someone shouts "change is coming" and we jumped on the band wagon?
    Well we sure as hell didn't want 4-8 more years of the same crap!
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  • Melizmatic Steven 2010/07/06 20:06:39 (edited)
    Melizmatic
    +2
    "Black racists."

    Riddle me this:

    Do people of color have any REAL power to prevent someone from getting a certain job, attending certain schools, or moving into certain "affluent" or "desirable" neighborhoods?

    Do they have the vast amounts of money & resources necessary to manipulate the media and line the pockets of lobbyists & politicians in order to get laws that are specifically beneficial to them passed?

    No?

    Then they are bigots; racism is a system which utilizes resources to oppress, subjugate and denigrate others not of the same race.

    Bigotry, discrimination & prejudice can and DO lead to racism, but they are not the exact same thing.
  • Steven Melizmatic 2010/07/07 11:36:10
    Steven
    Sounds like you are saying there cannot be black bigots.

    I'm sorry if a black person says "Kill all white people" because they dislike white people and think it would be a better place without them while looking at a white person or not (This happened to me)
    So I do believe your way of thinking is very flawed. You can't debate that issue and expect anyone wanting to reply to you.
  • Melizmatic Steven 2010/07/07 15:52:34 (edited)
    Melizmatic
    That isn't what I wrote.

    Please dont twist my words around and PAY ATTENTION.


    I said that people of color have no REAL power in this country.

    Racism is about the abuse of power.

    ANYONE can be bigoted or prejudiced.
  • Steven Melizmatic 2010/07/08 17:59:26
    Steven
    That's not what the topic of this thread is about. That is what I'm talking about. When you come up with something besides that my response is.

    topic thread talking response

    So pardon me if I don't want to debate with you if you are not talking about the topic. I think you are a bit wonky and I don't want to debate with you.
  • Chris W... Melizmatic 2010/07/19 20:03:08
    Chris Wiseman
    I don't have any power to prevent someone from getting a certain job, attending certain schools, or moving into certain "affluent" or "desirable" neighborhoods. Yet, according to many, including the poster, I am a racist just for my affinity towards the Tea Party movement. Which ironically, is also derided as being a bunch of fringe kooks with no real power.

    It would appear to me based on my understanding of what you are saying is that, individuals can be bigots but not racists. Only organizations and governments can be racist in that it requires a collective to promote a system or ideal that once institutionalized, it would empowered them with the ability to prevent someone from getting a certain job, attending certain schools, or moving into certain "affluent" or "desirable" neighborhoods.

    If correct, that would classify quotas, set asides and racial preferences and the politicians, governments and institutional supporters as racist because such programs have the inhereint power to prevent people from getting certain jobs, attend certain schools and affect their ability to move into certain affluent or desirable neighborhoods, would it not?

    The justification for their existence must then be classified as the measured use of "good racism" to counteract the effects of "b...
    I don't have any power to prevent someone from getting a certain job, attending certain schools, or moving into certain "affluent" or "desirable" neighborhoods. Yet, according to many, including the poster, I am a racist just for my affinity towards the Tea Party movement. Which ironically, is also derided as being a bunch of fringe kooks with no real power.

    It would appear to me based on my understanding of what you are saying is that, individuals can be bigots but not racists. Only organizations and governments can be racist in that it requires a collective to promote a system or ideal that once institutionalized, it would empowered them with the ability to prevent someone from getting a certain job, attending certain schools, or moving into certain "affluent" or "desirable" neighborhoods.

    If correct, that would classify quotas, set asides and racial preferences and the politicians, governments and institutional supporters as racist because such programs have the inhereint power to prevent people from getting certain jobs, attend certain schools and affect their ability to move into certain affluent or desirable neighborhoods, would it not?

    The justification for their existence must then be classified as the measured use of "good racism" to counteract the effects of "bad racism". Good and bad racism then become as subjective as the individual judging them. Ergo rascism, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder and does not conclusively exist beyond our own personal interpretation. As such, it is beyond the purview of government to effectively legislate. As beauty, faith, morality cannot be regulated, neither can racism.
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  • Melizmatic Chris W... 2010/07/19 20:31:44
    Melizmatic
    +1
    Not quite what I stated or intended. Individuals can INDEED be racist. So can entire institutions.

    But let's just stick with individuals for the moment.

    For example; If a person learns that a Black or Mexican (or whatever 'flavor' they don't like) is going to move into their neighborhood, and they immediately start worrying about the crime rate going up, or their property values going down, then that person is prejudiced.

    If this same person tells their kids not to play with the children of the new family simply because of their race, or goes out of their way to avoid them, that's a form of discrimination.

    If this same person goes to the seller of the house & offers them more money than the Black or Latin family can afford to pay, so that they can't buy the house, that's a form of bigotry.

    And should this person decide to actively harass, intimidate, harm or denigrate that family, whatever their "offensive color" might be, that is an act of racism.

    There is no "good" racism; that's a total oxymoron. It's like saying 'good AIDS.'

    Racism doesn't need to be regulated, it needs to be eradicated.

    And just so you know where I stand, contrary to (apparent) popular belief simply disagreeing with or even disliking a person of color does NOT equal racism.

    It's one's ACTIONS and motivations th...

    Not quite what I stated or intended. Individuals can INDEED be racist. So can entire institutions.

    But let's just stick with individuals for the moment.

    For example; If a person learns that a Black or Mexican (or whatever 'flavor' they don't like) is going to move into their neighborhood, and they immediately start worrying about the crime rate going up, or their property values going down, then that person is prejudiced.

    If this same person tells their kids not to play with the children of the new family simply because of their race, or goes out of their way to avoid them, that's a form of discrimination.

    If this same person goes to the seller of the house & offers them more money than the Black or Latin family can afford to pay, so that they can't buy the house, that's a form of bigotry.

    And should this person decide to actively harass, intimidate, harm or denigrate that family, whatever their "offensive color" might be, that is an act of racism.

    There is no "good" racism; that's a total oxymoron. It's like saying 'good AIDS.'

    Racism doesn't need to be regulated, it needs to be eradicated.

    And just so you know where I stand, contrary to (apparent) popular belief simply disagreeing with or even disliking a person of color does NOT equal racism.

    It's one's ACTIONS and motivations that make him a bigot (or not.)

    simply disagreeing disliking person color equal racism actions motivations bigot
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  • Chris W... Melizmatic 2010/07/19 21:30:14
    Chris Wiseman
    +1
    I agree bigotry and prejudice may or may not have racial elements. If you don't like messy people who don't take care of their things, that is prejudiced and if you stop your family from associating with people like that, it is a form of discrimination. But how does a government "eradicate" a completely irrational yet subjective thing as racism, particularly when it engages in or tacity approves of the very ill it cites to eradicate. I would postulate that it is on of many inherient flaws in the human condition that can only be changed though self reflection, not government indoctrination or hypocracy.
  • Melizmatic Chris W... 2010/07/19 22:23:08
    Melizmatic
    Considering that the government cant even feed everyone or provide adequate education or health care to ALL its citizens, I wouldn't even think of them as being a viable option to provide a solution to such an immense problem.

    I meant it is up to each of us to eradicate it from our hearts and minds.
  • Blessed... Steven 2010/07/06 21:50:20
    Blessed Sheep Gone Wild!
    +2
    i am betting you are white... to say that racism doesn't exist in the bay area... have you been to Oakland? SF is very white and it likes to stay that way... keep the workers in the low rent housing just outside of the beautiful bay.
  • Mallah'... Blessed... 2010/07/07 03:55:48
    Mallah's Brain
    +1
    when people ask me about Oakland i tell them "That's where we keep the black people."
    Do i like that? No. But i'm not some prick who is going to lie about or sugarcoat it.
  • Melizmatic Mallah'... 2010/07/07 15:56:01
  • Steven Blessed... 2010/07/07 11:38:31
    Steven
    Racism does exist in the bay area. I have seen white people to small degree's act racist. It's just the racism from the black people there is a far extreme. Don't twist my words or take what I say out of context. The thread here is about black panthers.
  • Melizmatic Steven 2010/07/07 15:58:07
    Melizmatic
    You never answered the question as to whether you've ever been to the Bay Area; specifically Oakland.
  • Blessed... Steven 2010/07/10 19:05:59
    Blessed Sheep Gone Wild!
    +1
    Ok so why do the black panthers exist? what motivated them to create a militia? Who were they protecting the people from? If you want to talk about the black panthers and complain about them, you cannot rightly do so without defining their purpose. Was it an unprovoked group that just wanted to express their unjustified anger towards an innocent group of people (Caucasians.) Lets see what kind of racist ideas you are unaware of having.
  • Steven Blessed... 2010/07/13 03:06:15
    Steven
    +1
    I've never seen a Black Panther person except for in movies. And the rare person that was on TV at a poll station. Therefore I cannot take them seriously. We're no longer in the 60's or 70's. And I think anyone could naturally assume there are not even a 10th of the numbers of Black Panthers as there are crazy hill billies ready to take up arms and storm the White House.
  • Blessed... Steven 2010/07/13 19:08:05
    Blessed Sheep Gone Wild!
    +1
    I agree with you 100%. I find it funny that the GOP or the tea party has started this fear mongering tactic of pulling out groups from the past and painting them as an actual current threat to America (interestingly enough, they are an african american group thus Obama must be supporting them somehow.)
  • Melizmatic Blessed... 2010/07/07 16:05:13
    Melizmatic
    +1
    I'd take that bet as well.

    A professor of mine once told me many Caucasians simply will not acknowledge the existence of racism, because since it doesn't happen to them, in their minds it must not be a reality for others.
  • Steven Blessed... 2010/07/08 18:02:08
    Steven
    Why should race have anything to do with it? I don't think racism is acceptable regardless of who is doing it. And yes I did live in Oakland and some black guy was trying to provoke me so he could steal my boots. I also lived in the Bayview area right across from Hunters point. There is no segregation in San Francisco. No one makes anyone live in any area there. What it is if anything, it's called "Gentrification!"
  • Blessed... Steven 2010/07/10 19:10:34
    Blessed Sheep Gone Wild!
    +1
    Gentrification... every time I have seen it take place, it is usually the white folk deciding to make an area so expensive that the black folk cant afford to live there. Been to Venice beach lately?
  • Chris W... Blessed... 2010/08/05 18:36:41
    Chris Wiseman
    Wait a minute, "the white folk deciding to make an area so expensive that the black folk cant afford to live there" is that how the real estate market works? Seriously? So the white folk in Vegas decided to make the property values rise astronomically in the early 2000's to keep the black folk from moving to Green Valley or Summerlin? You know that kind of malinformed thinking is the same malinformed thinking that affects the "white folk" who think the black folk will have the opposite effect on their property values driving down prices. Market forces are color blind the people who complain the most about them, most often are not. And before I get pegged as the "racist teabagger" I was born and raised in Hayward and was a minority in my high school and neighborhood and got along just fine.
  • Blessed... Chris W... 2010/08/05 18:51:08
    Blessed Sheep Gone Wild!
    The affected "white folk" that are in poverty conditions are not wanted either.
  • Chris W... Blessed... 2010/08/05 18:53:43 (edited)
    Chris Wiseman
    so it's not really the "white folk" who magically make an area unaffordable, its the "have folk" who have more money and demand larger property, and bigger houses with more ammenities than the "have not folk" can afford thereby precluding them from moving into the area? What about the lack of actual land or housing physically avaible which puts space at a monetary premium so that only the "have folk" can afford to live there? How is that racist/bigoted/discriminatory?

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