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Re: Obama's gaffe, if success is due to others, is not trying or failure do to others too?

Janet C K 2012/07/28 18:44:00
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With elementary logic, there are rules to true statements. If one concludes that people helping you, roads, and government assisting you are responsible for your success, then you HAVE to conclude, those who FAIL, or not try, behave irresponsibly, or don't do their best- aren't responsible for their outcome either. Furthermore, you HAVE to conclude, that their failure is due to people who tried to help them, the roads, and government "helping" them. I suppose to some extent this true when you are encouraged to part take in a government program that fails because you CAN'T CONTROL THE EFFORT OF ALL PARTICIPANTS! Like federal lending programs telling banks who they HAVE to lend to- to accept high risk loans. (This drove up the cost of housing by flooding the market with buyers. Other high risk borrowers who were irresponsible, ended up defaulted on their loans, creatied a situation that devalued housing, and affected responsible borrowers (SARCASM---> "thank you "others" who over exaggerated the default bamdwagen". Programs only work when everybody tries. Too mant people defaulted that didn't need to- and there were warnings that the 2004 Congress sought assistence from Dems to address. Watch how the dems responded in the video below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXbT5ZMYaY&sns;=em.
In conclusion, if like Obama says other people are responsible for your success or failure. The reality is, our countries RIGHT to pursue an education, and decide how hard you want to work- instead of FORCING you to study a certain intensity, or do a certain job, is the REAL reason behind successful people. IT'S THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE, just like the best teachers, coaches, programs, can't MAKE YOU FAIL- again, It's CHOICE and freedom- NOT because someone built a road for you. To say so would be as stupid as saying Britian is responsible for the success of American because of the ships that brought us here, or the religion that inspired us to leave England. It's a overly simplistic argument, meant to defy those who don't want to face the real reason programs don't work- people's choices.
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  • Jake Fortune 2012/07/28 19:06:19
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    The President stumbled in his speech. He was unclear. And seemed to lose his train of thought for a moment. But your statement is fallacious on its face. You have changed the factors on one side of your equation to be different from the other side of the equation. The factors must be the same. The correct statement (in my opinion) would be that the President says you cannot be successful without the help of others, but even with the help of others, it takes "personal initiative" to be successful. It is unfair to pick and choose your truths, in order to make a political gain. As Abraham Lincoln put it: You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. In my local polling, I have found that the edge that Democrats have over Republicans is that Democratics are seen as more truthful. It hurts Republicans when they misstate facts because the general population sees them as more deceitful than Democrats. Republicans should be able to win on the strength of facts, but will not win with lies, or "stretching the truth". We hurt ourselves when we are not truthful, because the people know.
  • Janet C K Jake Fo... 2012/07/28 19:17:47
    Janet C K
    I am a democrat. Guess Obama is getting a taste of what he did to Hillary Clinton over her MLK Jr gaffe. Too bad you all jumped to telling her she was demeaning the work of MLK Jr instead of asking yourselves what President Johnson did to get Civil Rights passed- and how Obama's great speeches would get you followers to create a market for green energy, or to improve the jobs numbers and reduce financial strain on the economy by "doing their part" and accepting jobs beneath them until the ecomony improves. Or. Even question yourselves if you were CEO of a company in the red, losing workers, would it be strategic or "the right time" to go put singing robots in your factories? (ie. healthcare)? To me, you patch the hole in the titanic (SECURE THE TAX BASE), before adding another entitlement. Now he's got the healthcare bill with MUCH MORE than what was essential at a difficult time, and lost a HUGE chunk of his plan to fund it? Do you even care where those funds will come from?
  • CLIFF Y... Janet C K 2012/08/04 06:28:46
    CLIFF YARBROUGH
    I believe you have stayed up past your bedtime. You are rambling and not especially coherent. You must be sleepy and your Republican handlers are tired too. Nighty night.
  • Janet C K CLIFF Y... 2012/08/05 04:48:11 (edited)
    Janet C K
    Sorry you can't understand English and missed the '08 dem primary. Some of us cared to pay attention .
  • Janet C K Jake Fo... 2012/07/28 19:20:29
    Janet C K
    P.S. I guess passing Civil Rights with Racist leaning Congressmen was easier than passing a budget. Obama got 0 votes. How would that work in a company if you proposed a budget that not even your own team supported? Seriously?
  • CLIFF Y... Janet C K 2012/08/04 06:34:55
    CLIFF YARBROUGH
    Seriously, you sound exhausted and scary. You realize that Ina real debate it is facts and ideas that win right,? Not the odd rumblings of a sleepy? Drunk? Political operative. yeah, that's right, you were friended by someone on our side. Grow up, sleepyheads.
  • Janet C K CLIFF Y... 2012/08/05 04:52:58 (edited)
    Janet C K
    I really don't care what you think to be honest. Obviously something I said hit a nerve- otherwise you wouldn't have wasted your time. Unless you respond to all posts that don't make sense- which would seem to be time poorly spent.
  • Janet C K CLIFF Y... 2012/08/05 05:04:26
    Janet C K
    Maybe this will help you- but I doubt it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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