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Rave this if you think we should be talking about Jobs instead of Birth Control?

KCurtis 2012/05/12 16:33:32
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  • Carol 2012/05/12 21:46:21
    Carol
    +30
    If Americans allow the Republican agenda to dictate "how things are supposed to be," particularly when it comes to individual choice regarding the use of contraception which is essentially a religious doctrine, it should be viewed as an assault on the Constitution and democracy itself.
    Conservatism by current GOP standards is gathering social morality and attempting to mold it into a framework where the government decides how the population should use their bodies. Nothing could be a better example of this than proposed laws in states like Virginia and Alabama, which would allow the government to force women to have a probe placed inside their vagina as a prerequisite for a constitutionally legal abortion.
    How exactly does such an invasive, unnecessary medical test fit into the Republican rhetoric of promoting less government and more freedom? Well, it doesn't. If anything, it proves that the hypocrisy of the GOP is manifesting itself into the greatest lie ever told to the American public.
    America became the greatest nation on earth because the freedom and creativity of its people was encouraged, not squashed.
    There is nothing more personal than love-making. Throughout history, it has inspired literature, music, art, and many of the intangible ideals that the human race values...


    If Americans allow the Republican agenda to dictate "how things are supposed to be," particularly when it comes to individual choice regarding the use of contraception which is essentially a religious doctrine, it should be viewed as an assault on the Constitution and democracy itself.
    Conservatism by current GOP standards is gathering social morality and attempting to mold it into a framework where the government decides how the population should use their bodies. Nothing could be a better example of this than proposed laws in states like Virginia and Alabama, which would allow the government to force women to have a probe placed inside their vagina as a prerequisite for a constitutionally legal abortion.
    How exactly does such an invasive, unnecessary medical test fit into the Republican rhetoric of promoting less government and more freedom? Well, it doesn't. If anything, it proves that the hypocrisy of the GOP is manifesting itself into the greatest lie ever told to the American public.
    America became the greatest nation on earth because the freedom and creativity of its people was encouraged, not squashed.
    There is nothing more personal than love-making. Throughout history, it has inspired literature, music, art, and many of the intangible ideals that the human race values most.
    Any government or politician claiming that the government should play a role in controlling the physical body of another human being should be chastised, not praised or encouraged, if America is to remain a free and thriving society.
    The 2012 elections are turning out to be less about issues and more about turning the United States into a completely different country.
    Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the current political climate is that too many people seem willing to support politicians who will ultimately make their lives less private, less prosperous, and much less free. The obvious question is why would anyone want to do that?
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  • Evil Te... Evil Te... 2012/05/17 03:02:33
    Evil Temptress
    +1
    Pardon, my mistake, my Medicare comment was in another string. However, you're still not reading and comprehending. I just wanted to acknowledge my error before moving on.
  • KCurtis Evil Te... 2012/05/17 11:47:50
    KCurtis
    Well that's good, we agree on that. Medicare is the first pass at government health care. They can keep it.
  • Matt'sBabyGirl <3 2012/05/16 19:37:13
    Matt'sBabyGirl <3
    +3
    I think both of those subjects are very important at the moment, because if you really think about it, There are more teenage girls getting pregnant every day and people are loosing their jobs and have no support for his/her family. So, I think we should still talk about birth control to stop teen pregnancy, but we should also talk about new opportunities for jobs so we can support our families.
  • Steve R... Matt'sB... 2012/05/17 17:01:53
    Steve Rogers
    Want to stop teen pregnancies, make welfare and state / federal health care unavailable to them. They might actually think about what they are doing if they don't have the federal government (and or state government) to fall back on. Harsh, yes. But just about everything else has been tried, even limiting lifetime benifits, which is a joke in and of itself
  • WinterLynn 2012/05/16 17:38:17
  • Lanikai 2012/05/16 15:12:56
    Lanikai
    +2
    Yes, we should. But the DEMS only want distraction issues out there so that no one focuses on the dismal economy, the failure of stimulus packages, the disastrous healthcare.
  • whitewulf--the unruly mobster 2012/05/16 13:51:23
  • apachehellfire65 2012/05/16 12:37:49
    apachehellfire65
    +3
    the LAST thing the white house wants is us talking about the real issues!
  • Pale Horse 2012/05/16 12:17:39
    Pale Horse
    +2
    I've been away for awhile. Whats with the "Rave This" nonsense. Get back to posting thought provoking topics and stop hawking the raves. Good Night Nurse. I think I'll go away some more. PS - You haven't earned a rave.
  • Sweetness 2012/05/16 11:23:27
  • ComeOnNow 2012/05/16 10:35:14
    ComeOnNow
    +2
    The democrats think that women are dumb and selfish enough to ignore that his policies are failed and that Obama is destroying the country for our children and that they will say yeah more hand puts stolen from others. He must be hanging out with all democrat women too much. He is down 6% with women according to the new York times poll that came out last week. The whole made up war on women was complete BS and it lioks like republican and most independents are not as stupid or selfish as Obama thought. The democrats really never thought much of web until it comes time to vote.
  • whimsycrat 2012/05/16 06:34:39
    whimsycrat
    +4
    As long as a woman's access to birth control might be at risk, we need to talk about both birth control and jobs. It is not women, in general, who have raised this issue, it is those seeking to limit women's access to birth control that fired the first shot. It has been made an issue by conservatives so we need to talk about it.
  • Azrael-In GOD we trust 2012/05/16 04:00:29
    Azrael-In GOD we trust
    +1
    Jobs enable people to buy their own birth control.
  • Lady Wh... Azrael-... 2012/05/17 20:47:12
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    AGREED
  • S and S 2012/05/16 02:29:31
  • jdemme 2012/05/16 01:54:12
    jdemme
    You seemed to enjoy talking about it when it was "OBAMA'S COMMUNIST WAR ON RELIGION. DO YOU AGREE!?!?!?!"

    Now that people are looking at it from a human prospective instead of a business one, you have a beef with it?
  • ReconMarine~PWCM*AVA*BTTB*JLA* 2012/05/16 01:33:49
  • Erin V. 2012/05/16 01:06:13
    Erin V.
    +1
    TOTALLY!!!!
  • AL 2012/05/15 23:44:19
    AL
    +1
    This is just another one of Obamas head fakes!
  • Chelsea 2012/05/15 22:33:22
  • Wren77 2012/05/15 18:50:36
    Wren77
    +4
    Romney has not made public any solution to job issue
  • Lady Wh... Wren77 2012/05/16 09:33:55
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    No, just likes to FIRE people and make the situation WORSE.
  • Fef 2012/05/15 18:44:21
  • FairLady 2012/05/15 16:27:20
    FairLady
    +1
    Here I am, KCurtis. A rave from me. :)
  • Lady Yui 2012/05/15 16:09:46
    Lady Yui
    +5
    We wouldn't HAVE to talk about birth control if the damn Republicans would stop trying to take it away from us.
  • Seeker ... Lady Yui 2012/05/15 21:11:11
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    +2
    Please, enlighten us... Can you post some sources where the Republicans are "trying to take away" your birth control? Mind you, I mean actually stop you from getting it, not simply refusing to pay for it for you...
  • Lady Yui Seeker ... 2012/05/16 21:01:19
    Lady Yui
    Sure can. Brownback just signed a bill into law that actually gives pharmacists the right to refuse to fill prescriptions. Kansas is mostly rural communities where women only have access to one pharmacy and can't afford to drive hours away in order to get their prescription filled somewhere else.

    Another thing...every single one of the "personhood" bills/amendments that Republicans are trying to get passed in dozens of states would outlaw hormonal birth control. And don't try to claim that "that's not the purpose of personhood legislation" so prosecutors would never actually enforce it against unintended targets...that's the same thing that they told us about the "chemical endangerment" bills which they told us were for protecting children from being exposed to home meth labs, but have instead been used to prosecute pregnant women who are on legal medications.
  • Seeker ... Lady Yui 2012/05/17 04:47:23
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    +2
    I said post sources, not statements... Back up your posts with links. I have no idea of this bill you're referring to, and so can't comment. And don't just tell me to look it up, since the burden of proof is on the person making the statement.
  • Lady Yui Seeker ... 2012/05/17 17:06:47
    Lady Yui
    On the Kansas bill: http://www.kansas.com/2012/05...

    On attempts at personhood bills/amendments: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/1...
  • Seeker ... Lady Yui 2012/05/17 18:49:29
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    Ok, so you misrepresented that kansas bill... It does NOT allow pharmacists to stop you from getting birth control pills. It stops them from having to fill "morning after" pills. But that doesn't stop them from being allowed to fill them, and the vast majority of pharmacies would continue to do so. They're a private business, and the government has no right to tell them what they must sell...

    On the second link, it's also about abortion, not about birth control. Please don't tell me you see birth control and abortion as the same thing...
  • Lady Yui Seeker ... 2012/05/30 20:25:04
    Lady Yui
    Apparently you're unaware that there are people who labor under the misconception that birth control pills cause abortions. This bill allows for anyone who has "reasonable belief" that the medication being prescribed would cause an abortion to refuse to dispense it.
  • Seeker ... Lady Yui 2012/05/30 23:08:54 (edited)
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    Reasonable belief does not mean "false" belief. But even if what you're saying is true, that will NOT stop you from getting what you want. Just go to a different pharmacy. I can guarantee you that there will be very few pharmacies which will refuse to fill a BC prescription.

    Note too that I'm not against BC in any way. I'm not even anti-abortion. What I am is anti-being-forced-to-pay-for-... ;)
  • Lady Yui Seeker ... 2012/05/31 16:08:00
    Lady Yui
    Sure, *I* can just go to a different pharmacy, because I live in one of the large cities in Kansas that actually has multiple pharmacies. Small town, rural Kansas isn't like that. Most small towns in Kansas only have a single pharmacy, and some towns are so small that they don't even have ONE, but have to pop over to the larger neighboring town to get what they need. All there needs to be is ONE of those little small town pharmacies that refuses to fill a woman's prescription, and you now have a woman who has to travel (possibly more than she can afford to) just in order to get birth control which she has a legal right to buy and use.

    I don't know why you brought up the "anti-being-forced-to-pay-for" in this discussion, because that's not what we've been talking about. This isn't about who is paying for the birth control, this is about allowing pharmacists to refuse to give a woman the medication she has a legal right to have and is paying for.
  • Seeker ... Lady Yui 2012/05/31 16:48:03
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    Just because there may be a difficulty for one person to get birth control does not mean that the government needs to nor has the power to mandate anything. If there is a demand for a product, then companies will spring up to provide it. It's simple supply and demand. If your theoretical person were to have such difficulty in her tiny rural town, then she could move to somewhere where she can get what she needs... Alternatively, she could simply be abstinent. Hardship for a small number of people does not create federal powers.
  • Lady Yui Seeker ... 2012/05/31 16:17:43
    Lady Yui
    Now, if you want to talk about the PAYING aspect of this issue, I'd be happy to. The requirement for insurance companies to cover birth control without a co-pay is NOT, as many are trying to claim, forcing someone else to pay for your birth control. It means that your insurance is being told they are no longer allowed to make you pay EXTRA for it. You are already paying hundreds a month for your health insurance, and this is but one of many medications and procedures which have been determined to be things that are necessary enough to not put in jeopardy of someone not being able to afford to get or have done because of being unable to afford a co-pay.

    Not paying a co-pay does NOT mean that you are getting it for free...you are paying for your health insurance, and that health insurance is being required to pony up and pay for your health care...you know, like you're paying them to do. That's not free, and it's not making someone else pay for your pills.
  • Seeker ... Lady Yui 2012/05/31 16:39:43
    Seeker of Truth - War Wizard
    Your argument is illogical. If it's a requirement that the insurance company include something in their plans, it is making other people pay for it. If the company has to start covering something they didn't before, and raises the premiums of all the members (including those who do not use that service) then those who do not use it are still paying for those that do.

    Show me where in the Constitution the federal government has the power to force a company to include a given feature in their product. This type of thing should be simply left to the market to decide based on demand.
  • Lady Wh... Lady Yui 2012/05/16 09:34:09
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    agreed!
  • Thisismyname 2012/05/15 15:12:00
  • TheBorg Thisism... 2012/05/15 22:10:10 (edited)
  • Bali 2012/05/15 13:43:13
    Bali
    +1
    again pure deflection by dear leaders staff

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