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Scalded Eagle 2012/06/05 14:46:26
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  • JCD aka... Diverbelo 2012/06/19 06:37:35
    JCD aka "biz"
    Labor costs are only one factor. Labor productivity, product quality, strategies geared to the real needs of consumers, but also good infrastructures and public services, are often more important.
    In my second home country, Madagascar, the minimum wage is around $50 a month. How could you ever compete with them? That is, if wages were really the key factor.
  • Diverbelo JCD aka... 2012/06/22 01:53:37
    Diverbelo
    you are correct. labor is only part of the cost. But it inflated drastically by labor unions.
  • Nestofasssps 2012/06/11 21:47:20
    Nestofasssps
    +2
    the union workers are the ones suffering by outsourcing. The companies, the management, the shareholders are to blame..more money in their pockets and less chance for their workers to live on. Look at all the non union places that dont have unions, that have been outsourced... by the millions, Try being intellectually honest
  • Devlin Nestofa... 2012/06/11 22:22:16
    Devlin
    +1
    If the labor didn't lack the understanding a job is only worth so much before it's unable to produce a product at a price people are willing to pay for the product. With out the shareholders the company wouldn't exist or be able to expand...you also would have zero in your pension...where do you think they invest it?
  • Nestofa... Devlin 2012/06/14 01:15:49
    Nestofasssps
    in companies who pay their CEOS and other management( pencil pushers) more than they do the producers. People cant afford to live on a low income" minimum wage, but that doesnt stop other s from pushing up prices out of all reason, why??? GREED
  • XZQZQ Nestofa... 2012/06/11 22:50:49 (edited)
    XZQZQ
    The outsourcing is almost entirely due to government policy. Endlessly higher tax rates, regulation costs, hostility to the private sector, and corporations being able to bring in manufactured goods from abroad duty-free. For what ever reason[s], it is clear that our government wanted these jobs transferred off-shore. I am surprised that Boeing is still located in the USA...
  • Nestofa... XZQZQ 2012/06/14 01:13:29
    Nestofasssps
    is it bollocks, its greed by corporations.Almost every industrialised county (europe, canada, UK) has regulations for safety, tax rates, etc etc etc,
    They moved out steadily over the last twenty years for one reason only GREEDand slave labour.
  • Georgia50 2012/06/11 20:47:53
    Georgia50
    +2
    GM has the no. 1 car...in China.

    What more evidence is needed?
  • Nestofa... Georgia50 2012/06/14 01:14:08
    Nestofasssps
    thats only happened since Obama took over, you do realise they are selling the majority of those cars to *gasp* chinese people?
  • MrsJJS 2012/06/11 20:29:41 (edited)
    MrsJJS
    +1
    Oh ya reckon?!!....lol

    I was recently watching a documentary regarding labour in China. It would seem that since so many businesses have moved their production to China the market is now flooded with jobs. Where they used to have a population that were so desperate for jobs they would take what they could get and put up with whatever pay and conditions that were offered.
    Now they’re demanding better pay and conditions or they’ll just go work for someone who will meet their demands…why?…because they can. The once compliant work force has become somewhat militant…lol

    And they don't need a union to accomplish that...due to the vast number of jobs they have their employers by the short and curlies.
  • JCD aka... MrsJJS 2012/06/12 11:58:32
    JCD aka "biz"
    Free unions are banned in China, but there are tens of thousands of illegal strikes, demonstrations and riots every year.
  • MrsJJS JCD aka... 2012/06/12 15:15:07
    MrsJJS
    +1
    I know they are not permitted to unionize...my point was, if the market is flooded with jobs the employees hold the cards as to their pay and benefits without the assistance of a union.

    For the Chinese factory workers to be “demanding” anything came as a complete surprise to these manufactures who purposely moved their operations abroad so they could pay lower wages and expect longer working hours. A Managing Director of one of the companies they were speaking to was really indignant about the whole affair. He had a “how dare they”, “who do they think they are” mentality. He came across as a bit of a prick so I found his distress amusing. But honestly, what did they think was going to happen if they flooded the market with jobs?
  • JCD aka... MrsJJS 2012/06/12 20:33:34
    JCD aka "biz"
    "How dare they", LOL
  • nofrills 2012/06/11 20:26:39
    nofrills
    +1
    Labor unions are ruled by a bunch of 'selfaggrandising,ruthless,he... raiders...and they are destroying the entire country with this insatiable GREEED!!
  • TruBluTopaz 2012/06/11 19:57:21
    TruBluTopaz
    +1
    I think the numbers speak for themselves. But for more here's Daniel Pink discussing why accounting, engineering, law jobs are going overseas.


    Incidentally, this is why all those kids whose parents pushed them to major in engineering now wonder why their kid can't get a job at Best Buy.
  • Gordon 2012/06/11 19:29:36
    Gordon
    +2
    Labor Union greed caused many employers to ship manufacturing and jobs overseas. Paying labor union workers $60 to $80 an hour for work that doesn't even require a college degree is a sure way to force Americans out of work, and to enrich other countries.
  • Joe Shw... Gordon 2012/06/11 20:27:44
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +3
    right ... even including benefits wages dont add up to that ... stop spreading the lies.
  • Gordon Joe Shw... 2012/06/12 03:31:39
    Gordon
    +1
    The average auto worker was earning over $72 per hour (including benefits) before GM and Chrysler went crying to the taxpayers for money. Very few of those union workers went to college, let alone paid their own way through the way I did.
  • Joe Shw... Gordon 2012/06/12 14:05:14
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +1
    source please!
  • Gordon Joe Shw... 2012/06/13 02:12:56
    Gordon
    +1
    I read it in the Orlando Sentinel or heard it on the National news.
  • Joe Shw... Gordon 2012/06/13 02:31:21
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    uh-huh. As I thought ... the FAUX News "some people say" response.

    How about I give you a hand
    http://www.uaw.org/page/union...
  • onna 2012/06/11 19:25:31
    onna
    +1
    NAFTA signed by Bill Clinton in1993 took a lot of jobs. The Republicans were for it also. Dont know about the Unions causing it but they did not help. They were once needed to get rid of sweatshops but then they demanded higher and higher wages which may have taken jobs out of country.
  • Freebird 2012/06/11 19:16:19
  • Headhunter 13 2012/06/11 18:21:15
    Headhunter 13
    +3
    Yes they did and still do. They drove the manufacturing industry out and then they drove much of the service industry out to India and the Philippines if only they could drive the government workers and bureaucrats out along with the blood sucking union bosses , then maybe manufacturing would return
  • Grabitz 2012/06/11 18:06:21
    Grabitz
    +2
    So some of you think only Union jobs went overseas ?
  • frank 2012/06/11 18:05:15
    frank
    +2
    Yes they are driving job overseas
  • squire 2012/06/11 17:49:47
    squire
    +1
    not at all. check the history for your damn self
  • Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO 2012/06/11 17:36:14
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +3
    or not ... obviously someone void of any historical context.

  • onna Joe Shw... 2012/06/11 19:26:35
    onna
    Where did you find this? I do remembr Ross Perot saying this.
  • Joe Shw... onna 2012/06/11 20:26:25
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +1
    if you Google "sucking sound" you will get plenty of videos where this was foretold ... and never once were UNIONS mentioned.
  • Devlin Joe Shw... 2012/06/11 22:32:44
    Devlin
    LOL, show me a mature union labor force in any company willing to work for 12 or 13 dollars an hour....
  • Joe Shw... Devlin 2012/06/11 22:36:37
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +1
    It was 1992.

    As stated previously ... some people have ZERO recollection of historical context. .
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/06/11 17:28:48
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +4
    Like being paid a fair wage, getting good benefits, and not risking being fired on a whim? Thank a union.
  • Michaelene 2012/06/11 15:55:21
    Michaelene
    +4
    I know that the UAW forced the closing of my husbands company, one of the largest manufacturers in PA. Their pressure to unionize and the threats against the supervisors led to the companies relocation to Mexico.
  • Scalded... Michaelene 2012/06/11 17:47:04 (edited)
    Scalded Eagle
    +5
    Yep, I think you make a good case that the UAW is helping to distroy jobs in this country. Thanks for the intel. Go Scott Walker.
  • Michaelene Scalded... 2012/06/11 17:56:44
    Michaelene
    +2
    Thanks for a great topic and the rave too :)
  • Scalded... Michaelene 2012/06/12 17:44:04
    Scalded Eagle
    My Pleasure, my friend.
  • Carol 2012/06/11 15:40:23
    Carol
    +1
    Offshoring companies "are paying Chinese wages and selling at U.S. prices," said Alan Tonelson, of the U.S. Business and Industrial Council, a trade group for small business. "They're not creating better living standards for America."

    The U.S. sales director for one of India's top computer services providers said his company has won business from customers such as Walt Disney Co., Time Warner Inc.'s CNN and the Fox division of News Corp. -- none of which want public disclosure.

    In India, some technology companies have recently adopted lower profiles. Microsoft Corp. has been removing its name from minibuses used to ferry engineers on overnight shifts. Major Indian beneficiaries of U.S. business such as Infosys Technologies Ltd., Wipro Ltd. and Satyam Computer Services Ltd. have stopped identifying new customers.

    While there have been reports that IBM intends to ship 4,700 high-end jobs to India and China next year, they mark a rare instance when figures "have been reported in black and white," said Linda Guyer, president of Alliance@IBM, a union that has tried to organize IBM employees.

    Those numbers were not released by IBM, but rather disclosed by the Wall Street Journal, which had obtained an internal memo. The company has declined to comment.

    Guyer believes as many as...



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    Offshoring companies "are paying Chinese wages and selling at U.S. prices," said Alan Tonelson, of the U.S. Business and Industrial Council, a trade group for small business. "They're not creating better living standards for America."

    The U.S. sales director for one of India's top computer services providers said his company has won business from customers such as Walt Disney Co., Time Warner Inc.'s CNN and the Fox division of News Corp. -- none of which want public disclosure.

    In India, some technology companies have recently adopted lower profiles. Microsoft Corp. has been removing its name from minibuses used to ferry engineers on overnight shifts. Major Indian beneficiaries of U.S. business such as Infosys Technologies Ltd., Wipro Ltd. and Satyam Computer Services Ltd. have stopped identifying new customers.

    While there have been reports that IBM intends to ship 4,700 high-end jobs to India and China next year, they mark a rare instance when figures "have been reported in black and white," said Linda Guyer, president of Alliance@IBM, a union that has tried to organize IBM employees.

    Those numbers were not released by IBM, but rather disclosed by the Wall Street Journal, which had obtained an internal memo. The company has declined to comment.

    Guyer believes as many as 40,000 of IBM's 160,000 U.S. jobs will be transferred overseas by 2005, a figure she says was gathered from phone calls by IBM employees.

    Previously, IBM has pointed to a report by the McKinsey Global Institute that concludes the U.S. economy ultimately will benefit. The report was commissioned by Nasscom, a group made up of Indian tech companies as well as IBM's Indian services unit -- showing an effort by those invested in offshoring to sway public opinion.

    Recently, AT&T; Wireless told the U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission that it would lay off 1,900 employees this year. Communications Workers of America members obtained an internal memo prepared by Tata Consultancy Services of India that discussed how it would assume those U.S. jobs.

    Subsequently, AT&T; Wireless officials acknowledged it was exploring the job shifts but didn't offer details.

    While some companies, such as Electronic Data Systems Corp., CAP Gemini Ernst & Young and Sapient Corp., acknowledge they shift jobs abroad to exploit cost advantages and around-the-clock work, IBM asserts that it is not moving jobs but creating new ones.

    "It's a business strategy, period. You cut costs. You revamp. You look at what your mission statement says and try to turn a profit," said Sylvia Thomas, who was laid off by chipmaker Agere Systems Inc. after declining offers to relocate to headquarters in Allentown, Pennsylvania -- or to Singapore.
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  • JCD aka... Blank B... 2012/06/11 17:12:36
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    Exactly!

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