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  • Kenny T. phoenix... 2012/09/17 20:43:20
    Kenny T.
    I hate to break it to you - but all of this communist talk makes you out to be an ignorant right-wing extremist. FYI: Communism would entail eliminating all private businesses and corporations -- and replacing them with profit-sharing government cooperatives. It would replace all of American agriculture with communes. There is absolutely nothing in the Obama playbook that comes remotely close to communism. As a matter of fact, Obama has been attacked by both the extreme right and extreme left for his CENTRISM. Honestly.... I hope you DO continue this talk, because it scares all of the independents away from the GOP.
  • phoenix... Kenny T. 2012/09/18 00:35:26
    phoenix AFCL
    BO and company are busy circumventing our Constitution. Not just BO, but practically every president since Wilson has inch by inch, by tiny increments, made our Constitution more and more irrelevant.

    'They' are also controlling more and more of the American people and the elements of our culture and society. Don't be foolish. BO won't start off taking over businesses or marching all the intelligentsia into the countryside to starve like Pol Pot did. But this America barely resembles the America that should be (and was 50 - 60 yrs ago) and BO is busy, busy, busy doing his best to make sure the government takes over as much as possible.

    The communism I see at present (socialism is just communism watered down) is one where individual liberty and freedoms are more and more restricted, where the individual is represented less and less, where bureaucrats and their overwhelming regulations ultimately kill and smother individual incentive. Dependence on government is encouraged, fostered and may, at some future time, be demanded.

    Principles, virtues, religion and values are denigrated and mocked. We have a president who lies, demeans anyone who disagrees with him and coddles our enemies and is disingenuous with our allies.
  • Kenny T. phoenix... 2012/09/18 01:45:28 (edited)
    Kenny T.
    Don't be foolish. We are still the FREE-est country on earth. And contrary to popular conservative myth. the CONSTITUTION was about creating a STRONG FEDERAL government after a failed experiment in STATE SOVEREIGNTY.

    The America that WAS 50 years ago ENSHRINED Franklin D. Roosevelt as the GOD of MIDDLE CLASS PROSPERITY. FDR helped America by unleashing a host of middle class programs and REGULATIONS that severely limited corporate malfeasance.

    Our recent mortgage crises was started by Fannie Mae, but with the belief that we can RESPONSIBLY hand out mortgages to certain lower income individuals with decent credit scores and job histories. Independent mortgage lenders worked a loophole that allows them to GET AWAY with handing out LIAR LOANS which do not include proper credit score checks, income checks, and employment verification.

    LACK of regulation allowed these lenders to not only issue out liar loans, but also allowed investors to MONETIZE these bad mortgages, to SELL these "assets" as TRIPLE-AAA rated, and to HEDGE THEIR BETS against their crap.

    FYI: Obama pushed regulations to PREVENT this from ever happening again. The REASON why you conservatives NEVER talk about SPECIFIC REGULATIONS is because once you talk about the DETAILS of the regulations, every NORMAL person sees...



    Don't be foolish. We are still the FREE-est country on earth. And contrary to popular conservative myth. the CONSTITUTION was about creating a STRONG FEDERAL government after a failed experiment in STATE SOVEREIGNTY.

    The America that WAS 50 years ago ENSHRINED Franklin D. Roosevelt as the GOD of MIDDLE CLASS PROSPERITY. FDR helped America by unleashing a host of middle class programs and REGULATIONS that severely limited corporate malfeasance.

    Our recent mortgage crises was started by Fannie Mae, but with the belief that we can RESPONSIBLY hand out mortgages to certain lower income individuals with decent credit scores and job histories. Independent mortgage lenders worked a loophole that allows them to GET AWAY with handing out LIAR LOANS which do not include proper credit score checks, income checks, and employment verification.

    LACK of regulation allowed these lenders to not only issue out liar loans, but also allowed investors to MONETIZE these bad mortgages, to SELL these "assets" as TRIPLE-AAA rated, and to HEDGE THEIR BETS against their crap.

    FYI: Obama pushed regulations to PREVENT this from ever happening again. The REASON why you conservatives NEVER talk about SPECIFIC REGULATIONS is because once you talk about the DETAILS of the regulations, every NORMAL person sees the LOGIC in it.

    They say, "Yeah. We SHOULD keep investors from FALSELY advertising their offerings as AAA".

    Once again you bring up Pol Pot to describe Obama. You can keep up your BS but people WILL find you eccentric and perhaps even demented -- like an old man who talks to empty chairs.
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  • phoenix... Kenny T. 2012/09/18 02:27:00
    phoenix AFCL
    I didn't use Pol Pot to describe BO... in fact I specifically said he wouldn't do things like Pol Pot.??

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/10...
    "What the CRA does, in effect, is compel banks to seek the permission of community activists to get regulatory approval for bank expansions and mergers. Often this means striking a deal with activist groups such as ACORN or unions like the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and agreeing to allocate credit to poor and minority areas that are underserved."
    "In short, the CRA encourages banks to make loans they would not ordinarily make. What's more, these agreements often require that banks offer no-money-down mortgages and remove caps on how much debt a borrower can take on. All of this is done in the name of "financial democracy."

    Liberals pooh-pooh the idea that a 30-year-old law could have contributed to the current subprime crisis and credit crunch. But what they ignore is the massive expansion of CRA-commitments forced on banks in the run-up to the 2008 financial crisis."
  • Kenny T. phoenix... 2012/09/24 16:24:41
    Kenny T.
    Conservatives pooh pooh the idea that most liberals wanted to hand out loans RESPONSIBLY - and that mortgage lenders and private equity firms went on a whorish rampage as they took LIAR LOANS and collateralized debt obligations to an entirely new level; something that could have EASILY been prevented with REGULATIONS. Don't be so naive to suggest that the free market will behave in a market FREE of regulations. That's one of the few things you conservatives cannot get through your heads.
  • phoenix... Kenny T. 2012/09/24 22:15:31
    phoenix AFCL
    I have been in credit and collections for over 40 years, Kenny, extending credit and collecting bad debts. I have LIVED thru the credit climate when there were little or NO regulations on the banks or any other financial institutions and they were doing just fine, thank you very much. You only lended money to people who were responsible with their monies and credit decisions. We didn't need the government beating us over the head with that truism.

    Instead they came in with their 'regulations' (spell that giveaway) and all that went right out the window, especially with community activists groups telling banks and such how to run their business.

    It wasn't until the government intruded with oversights and regulations that it all started going to hell in a handbag. Greedy sobs started crawling out of the woodwork, taking advantage, as usual, of government stupidity.

    No one put a gun to anyone's head and forced quarter-million dollar loans on people who might not make enough money to make a car payment, let alone a mortgage payment.

    ARMS and such were grabbed hold of by people who didn't see that at the 5 yr end, their payments would skyrocket, duh !!

    Again, if our dear president would meet with his financial advisors and job council, jobs could cure so many things wrong...
    I have been in credit and collections for over 40 years, Kenny, extending credit and collecting bad debts. I have LIVED thru the credit climate when there were little or NO regulations on the banks or any other financial institutions and they were doing just fine, thank you very much. You only lended money to people who were responsible with their monies and credit decisions. We didn't need the government beating us over the head with that truism.

    Instead they came in with their 'regulations' (spell that giveaway) and all that went right out the window, especially with community activists groups telling banks and such how to run their business.

    It wasn't until the government intruded with oversights and regulations that it all started going to hell in a handbag. Greedy sobs started crawling out of the woodwork, taking advantage, as usual, of government stupidity.

    No one put a gun to anyone's head and forced quarter-million dollar loans on people who might not make enough money to make a car payment, let alone a mortgage payment.

    ARMS and such were grabbed hold of by people who didn't see that at the 5 yr end, their payments would skyrocket, duh !!

    Again, if our dear president would meet with his financial advisors and job council, jobs could cure so many things wrong with our country's financial picture. .... that and STOPPING spending money we don't have. The same mentality that made those mortgage loans permeates our government .... spend, spend and don't worry about the consequences. WE ARE BROKE !!
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  • Kenny T. phoenix... 2012/09/28 06:20:36
    Kenny T.
    It takes regulation to stipulate that investment firms cannot purchase AAA ratings when they know an investment is based on mortgages handed out through liar loans - and also takes regulations to stipulate that the investment firm that acquires a AAA rating on its investment vehicle should not be allowed to turn around and HEDGE THEIR BETS against their AAA funds. Just a little common sense, my dear Watson.
  • SunShine Sawsan 2012/09/09 07:00:46
    SunShine
    +2
    Romney at least has the capability.. obama never did..he's a jackass clown.. a marxist jackass at that.
  • gem Mattynr 2012/09/07 11:02:59 (edited)
    gem
    +3
    Try to keep in mind that obama didn't inherit anything..he begged for the job and was also serving as senator of Illinois when bush was in office...the man inherited nothing..he spent millions and doesn't want to take responsibility when things don't go the way he had "hoped"
  • Scalded... gem 2012/09/08 00:38:15
    Scalded Eagle
    +2
    Right, he inherited the policies he voted for in the senate between 2006-2008.
  • Kenny T. gem 2012/09/08 02:53:50
    Kenny T.
    +2
    Those who actually FOLLOW government can see quite clearly that the Republicans had a vendetta against this great President. From day one, they decided they would become the party of obstruction and they have RECORD Senate FILIBUSTERS to prove it. They inserted poison pills in to otherwise straight-forward budget proposals that essentially say "We won't pass this normally bi-partisan bill UNLESS you kill Medicare or turn it into a voucher system. We WON'T approve the debt ceiling UNLESS you agree to all cuts with no balanced revenues. We WON'T approve this transportation bill unless you kill public unions and Planned Parenthood". If you actually FOLLOW the machinations of American governance the ONLY thing that is clear is that Obama has moved to the center-right in an attempt to compromise with Republicans --- while Republicans have sabotaged the economy in order to render Obama ineffective and impotent. Thankfully the Republicans haven't fooled most Americans with their willful intransigence followed by blame directed at the President. Obama will get his second term because most of us are not so ignorant.
  • darthtbone Kenny T. 2012/09/10 11:56:05
    darthtbone
    +2
    LOL, "great President."
  • phoenix... darthtbone 2012/09/17 16:24:34
    phoenix AFCL
    The really sad thing is that BO could have been a great President. I didn't know anyone who didn't pray for this new President and wish him well when he was first elected. In just a few months, the well wishes were turning to disbelief as the 'real' BO began revealing himself.

    Sadly, it may be a long, cold day in hell before another African-American is considered for the Presidency unless it is someone like Allen West or Herman Cain.
  • darthtbone phoenix... 2012/09/17 22:03:42
    darthtbone
    +1
    During the primaries he ran to the Right of Hillary. In some instances he even ran to the Right of McCain. All that went out the window once the votes were counted.
  • phoenix... darthtbone 2012/09/18 00:14:17 (edited)
    phoenix AFCL
    You are the first person that I have heard ANYWHERE say what I have been saying for four years. Bravo !! If you go back and listen to BO's speeches pre-election, he sounds like a teapartier, right?? LOL.. You got it. Keep spreading the word. It makes him an even bigger liar !
  • darthtbone phoenix... 2012/09/18 00:26:01
    darthtbone
    +1
    It was the reason I pulled for him over Hillary. I remember Obama talking about healthcare reform and how an individual mandate would be horrible... Fast forward four years...
  • phoenix... darthtbone 2012/09/18 00:38:17
    phoenix AFCL
    Leaves you scratching your head wondering why Romney and company aren't pulling out those old sound bites, right?
  • darthtbone phoenix... 2012/09/18 11:06:11
    darthtbone
    +1
    In all fairness, during the past four years the race "card" has transformed into the race "billboard." The media will happily amplify any such accusations with jean creaming glee. They've already established that any criticism of Obama is racist.

    Personally, I think we have gotten near the point that whenever one of these clowns calls "dats racis" most people roll their eyes.

    The key to this is that the economy is in the crapper, Obama has made it worse. That's why Obama is talking about anything but the economy.
  • phoenix... darthtbone 2012/09/18 16:35:27
    phoenix AFCL
    thumbs up

    And... BO shouldn't even be taking credit for the Osama hit. After all, Valerie Jarrett called it off three times and it was HER go ahead that set the wheels in motion. She even has her own Secret Service detail now accompanying her everywhere. Do you remember voting for her? I don't. lol
  • Mattynr Kenny T. 2012/09/17 09:20:21
    Mattynr
    +2
    You have been brain washed beautifully........... from day one? The doors were closed to the Republicans and they were told..... "We Won" it will be our way. The healthcare???? Committee meetings were behind closed doors and not one Republican was allowed in. NOT ONE Obamacare was rushed and passed in the House without not one REP reading it, it was turned over to the Senate at 11:00 PM for the next morning vote....... all 22,000 pages. It was passed without one Democrat Senator reading it and OBAMA flew to Denver with a Celebration Yee Haw... and signed it without reading it. Conditions on the debt ceiling??????? You bet and why? Because we Americans are screaming to cut spending. NO BUDGET 3 years and the only one submitted by Obama was rejected 97-0.........He could not even get any of the Democrats to vote on it. If we had a budget maybe we would have a hint on how the spending is going to develop. Kenny..... you have been given the "Full" treatment and you are so far gone of course you will vote for Obama but some of us really do see the Big Picture and Obama is not in it.
  • Kenny T. Mattynr 2012/09/17 21:03:33
    Kenny T.
    You are the brainwashed one, my friend, I followed negotiations from DAY ONE, and negotiations WITH HOUSE REPUBLICANS lasted for an entire year. I have TRANSCRIPTS of many of the meetings and records of all those in attendance if you want me to post them. The administration shut out the Republicans when it was CLEAR they were being DUPLICITOUS [A perfect example is Obama reaching across the aisle and ACCEPTING a conservative proposal for END-OF-LIFE COUNSELING funding --- and then getting SH*T on for accepting DEATH PANELS. Remember?] and trying to kill healthcare reform JUST FOR THE SAKE of denying Obama a legislative victory -which when you think about it is AMERICA'S VICTORY. As hokey as that sounds think about it, young man. Think about your cancerous daddy losing his job -- and having to apply for another job's group healthcare plan. Under the Republicans, your daddy can be REJECTED from the NEW plan. Under Obama, your daddy CANNOT be rejected. Under Romney, if your daddy KEPT his job, he cannot be RESCINDED from his policy -- but he's sh*t out of luck if he loses his job and tries to find another provider's coverage. ----- With respect to budget issues, the President does not write budgets. You should be grown up enough to understand that. The President works with Cong...
    You are the brainwashed one, my friend, I followed negotiations from DAY ONE, and negotiations WITH HOUSE REPUBLICANS lasted for an entire year. I have TRANSCRIPTS of many of the meetings and records of all those in attendance if you want me to post them. The administration shut out the Republicans when it was CLEAR they were being DUPLICITOUS [A perfect example is Obama reaching across the aisle and ACCEPTING a conservative proposal for END-OF-LIFE COUNSELING funding --- and then getting SH*T on for accepting DEATH PANELS. Remember?] and trying to kill healthcare reform JUST FOR THE SAKE of denying Obama a legislative victory -which when you think about it is AMERICA'S VICTORY. As hokey as that sounds think about it, young man. Think about your cancerous daddy losing his job -- and having to apply for another job's group healthcare plan. Under the Republicans, your daddy can be REJECTED from the NEW plan. Under Obama, your daddy CANNOT be rejected. Under Romney, if your daddy KEPT his job, he cannot be RESCINDED from his policy -- but he's sh*t out of luck if he loses his job and tries to find another provider's coverage. ----- With respect to budget issues, the President does not write budgets. You should be grown up enough to understand that. The President works with Congress to build a budget, but when the conservative side has been taken over by right-wing extremists who refuse a SINGLE PENNY of revenue increases, the only thing that can result is the lowest rated Republican-run House in our nation's history. Obama was READY to sign a GRAND BARGAIN which included 4 TRILLION in cuts and GUESS who WALKED away from the bargaining table. Again, you idiots couldn't do the HONORABLE THING that Presidents like RONALD REAGAN did TIME AND AGAIN: COMPROMISE. So don't try to blame the President for our budget or lack thereof.
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  • SunShine gem 2012/09/09 07:10:44
    SunShine
    +3
    he knew the mess that was here.. he promised he would fix it.. create jobs, fix the economy.. (remember all those shovel ready jobs he talked about!!!), pay down the deficit.. all in his first term.. also close Gitmo.. he's done nothing but make it worse..
  • Mattynr SunShine 2012/09/17 09:28:11
    Mattynr
    +2
    Obama has not met with his Jobs Committee but once in 9 months. And, you know the Daily Intelligence Briefing???? He has only attended 43% of them..... less than half. His last briefing was Sep. 5 with the anniversary of Sep. 11 ahead and Alerts to our Security necessary...... UNFORGIVABLE...... 48 hours before the attack in Libya there were warnings..... might have been a good thing to toss around the table at the briefing.... wouldn't you say? They deny it but the information is coming from too many directions to not have concerns. Without warnings the Alert should have been full scale due to Sep. 11. HE SCREWED UP....... he failed...... We are not safe with him in office.
  • SunShine Mattynr 2012/09/17 12:13:17
    SunShine
    +2
    never have been.. his oath of office is to keep us safe.. our southern border let's anyone in from anywhere in the world.. how is that safe?
    His record is terrible.. abysmal in fact...he has done everything to help our country fail..I hope he's proud.
  • SunShine Mattynr 2012/09/09 07:00:00
    SunShine
    +3
    you are so vindicated for your thinking.. I am an ex dem .. I left in 08 after the DNC manipulated the electoral votes in favor of obama.. that was really the first time I realized the fix was in.. there is so much to this but this usurper must go before we lose our liberty forever.. and our country.. he's the most divisive president ever.. he's not kept his promises at all and tho it was a mess he inherited.. lots of it relates to the dem. congress since 2006.
    Obama wasted his opportunity in his first two years..very stupid of him... all for a health plan to control the people of this country.. it was not about anything else no matter what he says.. you need to read some of it to really find out what he was after..it was HIS POWER.. NOTHING MORE> In fact, he has made things worse.. He' s very inept.. not a bit of aptitude for this job other than his narcissistic walk and his gay jaunt down the steps of AF1
    He should never have HOODWINKED THE FOLKS and we wouldn't be in this mess now.. Good luck to you.. I found it easy to become an Independent.. and will vote for Romney this time.. we need to get this guy out of the oval office.
  • phoenix... SunShine 2012/09/17 16:20:56
    phoenix AFCL
    +1
    You are so right. With an Iranian-born, communist sympathizer (and maybe a closet communist), Valerie Jarrett whispering in BO's ear and leading him around by the nose and a practicing Muslim who is the personal aide to Hillary (Huma Abedin) whispering in Hillary's ear, what chance did a Constitutional America and her people have during this administration? Zero to none in my opinion.
  • SunShine phoenix... 2012/09/17 17:09:15
    SunShine
    +2
    let's not forget the Muslims that obama has put in places of great influence in his cabinet and other posts..
  • Kenny T. SunShine 2012/09/17 21:05:58
    Kenny T.
    Sunshine, you do so much talking in this forum. Eventually you will have to come to terms with the fact that Obama will get his second term. I hope you will have the mental stability to just carry on with your life.
  • Kenny T. Mattynr 2012/09/14 18:55:15
    Kenny T.
    SURE you are. LOLOL
  • harry 2012/09/07 05:19:18
    harry
    +1
    Romney and Ryan will take us back to the Dark Ages. If they and their Far Right Tea Party Republicans Cronies Oligarchs get to be in power, there will be no Middle Class. Just a Feudlaistic society.
    Democracy will transform to Plutocracy.
  • Mattynr harry 2012/09/17 09:35:12
    Mattynr
    +1
    Poor Harry, you know nothing about Romney....... FAR Right??? You have be be kidding, his biggest sin in the Republican Party is that he is too moderate....... They have a name for that you know..... RINO..... Republican in name only.
  • Mattynr Mattynr 2012/09/17 09:45:48
    Mattynr
    +2
    You see when Obama ran, he said..... no red, no blue, just Americans...... He declared War on the red from day one. He has divided our country horribly. But, for any solutions for all our problems we do need Bipartisanship........ Clinton did it with a total House and Senate controlled by the Republicans.......... and guess what.... Romney,
    Republican, as Governor of Mass, he had 87% Democrat Assembly and they worked together to reduce unemployment, debt and yes, even provide healthcare. Romney is a fixer, doer and problem solver.......... Obama??? He needs more time.... he is Hopeful and he still talks about shovel ready jobs...........HINT Obama.... those are temp jobs. Answer me one question??? If the only way out of this mess is to work together, who can do it??? Obama or Romney?
  • harry Mattynr 2012/09/18 01:52:17
    harry
    Obama and a Democrat controlled Congress. Biblically speaking, Romney does not speak the truth.
  • Mattynr harry 2012/09/18 07:05:35
    Mattynr
    Sorry Harry..... we tried that... been there done that..... Obama WASTED two full years.... Total Dem House and Senate........ WASTED..... and he is wasting year 4 campaigning.
  • harry Mattynr 2012/09/18 11:35:28
    harry
    I agree. The first 2 years of Obama's White House, he spent way too much energy, time, etc.....trying to appease Republicans. Even included them in his cabinet. Offered compramises that pissed off his own supporters. But the Republicans were and are still so hellbent on taking back the White House, they obstructed every effort Obama made to improve the economy. They abused the Filibuster to the record of 359 filibusters. more than the history of the universe. Republicans are willing to crash the economy to take back the White House. They are so sick with Greeds Disease, there is no cure. They have a deep hole inside them that cannot be filled. Soon the Earth will have to say "I have nothing left to give."
  • Mike W 2012/09/07 03:41:15
    Mike W
    +4
    I can not believe some of what I am seeing at the DNC is happening in the USA, No god in their platform, and then to have it still voyed out by the democrats, NO WONDER this country is in the dire straits itis in. And then I heard that one of their slogans is "We are all the government" or something like that I almost puked . That sh*t comes straight out of communist china or Castro's Havanna. Oh and preacher Obama's speech spounded nice and rythinmic like listening to a baptist sermon BUT it didnt say anything worth a crap. He didnt accept any blame for his failure in leading this country and his putting this country into a worse prediciment then it was, the loss oftax payer money to Obama political bundlers like Solyndra.He ignored all the empty promises he made to get elected hoping we would be stupid enough to forget about his past lies and accept his current and future lies. Unfortunately there are enough idiots who will and who will vote for a proven past liar and a yet to be prover current liar.
    Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice I must be an idiot democrat Obama zombie
  • Kenny T. Mike W 2012/09/07 19:53:18
    Kenny T.
    What makes ME puke are the idiots who think communism is anything BUT replacing all business/free enterprise with government cooperatives. Obama is FAR from that like he is far ahead of Romney. Obama is getting his second term, Sparky. You'll see.
  • Scalded... Kenny T. 2012/09/08 00:41:21
  • Mike W Kenny T. 2012/09/08 19:02:37
    Mike W
    +2
    omly because of f ing idiot like you
  • SunShine Kenny T. 2012/09/09 07:16:05 (edited)
    SunShine
    +3
    oh no you don't.. I lived under communism in East Germany.. there is not ONE SINGLE AMERICAN THAT I KNOW WHO WOULD EVER IN A MILLION YEARS CHOOSE TO LIVE LIKE THAT.. Obama will never be re-elected .,. he couldn't even fill the small hall they rented at the end.. and they even bussed in students for 2 days.. lol.. In addition they are in afinancial mess.. 15 million dollars in debt.. that they need to pay for the convention.. and they have no money.. They are taking out a ten MILLION DOLLAR line of credit and the rest will have to be paid by Obama .. if they can't even manage their convention what makes you think they will be able to manage the finances of the country?? he hasn't done it yet.. and this example proves he is incapable .. inept.. let him go back to being a community organzier.. course he didn't do well at that job either and he also lost his law license.. maybe he will have to just stay in the bathhouse.

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