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Scalded Eagle 2012/05/02 15:56:11
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  • JimmyIIX Met 2012/05/11 23:16:30
    JimmyIIX
    +2
    Facts like he spent 5 trillion in 3 + years and has no job growth to show for it.Facts like he is a constitutional lawyer who is getting his biggest bill put down as unconstitutional.The guy is a idiot racist.How can a harvard grad expect us to believe he couldn't figure out his pastor preaches critical race theory and black theology.On top of that you expect us to believe a community organiser couldn't talk to the community to figure out the same thing.BTW how is that community he organized in the southside of chicago?Oh ya poor black trash still.Great job obozo.
  • Met JimmyIIX 2012/05/11 23:19:49
    Met
    +3
    no job growth?

    You call unemployment going from 14% to 8% stagnancy?

    They haven't ruled on his biggest bill yet, and if it's struck down as unconstitutional, the courts are in error, and the republicans are to blame.

    Liberals wanted single payer, not individual mandate. But i'm sure you've misremembered that.

    You idiots have been sabotaging his presidency since day one, and he's still managed to double the dow, drop unemployment, shrink the government, grow the private sector, kill more terrorists in 3 years than the previous admins 8, and make raving lunatics like you look dumb on multiple occasions.
  • Leantom... Met 2012/05/12 04:44:37
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    +1
    The U.S. Constitution does not give Congress the authority to mandate that purchase of commodities or services.

    If I am in error, please show me the article that gives Congress the authority to do so.

    No sophistry or long-winded pontifications, please. Just give me the article.
  • Met Leantom... 2012/05/12 14:49:53 (edited)
    Met
    +1
    Interstate commerce clause.

    You have to buy auto insurance don't you? Same principle. I mean if you want, we can petition congress to include a rider for people like you who don't want to have health insurance, and let you sign off promising not to seek medical attention when injured.

    Um.. But if you're of the mind that when something happens to you, like a stroke, heart attack, random arm hacking off, you're going to seek medical attention, without insurance, then you're driving up my costs, and that's interstate commerce.

    I'm betting tho, you're one of the prototypical dumb asses, who have health insurance, and will benefit by having your costs go down once the insured pools grow, and just want to bitch about our lives being made better, because you're fundamentally opposed to someone besides the guy you stupidly voted for achieving something.

    Haters gonna hate.
    Pontificate that.

    No dumb ass rebuttals please, i don't care what your opinion is, i'm waiting on the supreme court. I was merely trying to splain' to you. I don't need to know how ignorant you are by not getting it.

    Again i don't see your side EVER ATTEMPTING COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH CARE REFORM EVER.

    Meanwhile we're 46th in effectiveness, and 1st in overall cost, WORLD WIDE. But failing seems to be just fine with you. Me? I'm a patriot.
  • Leantom... Met 2012/05/12 16:45:41
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    +2
    Interstate commerce clause does not give the federal government the power to force citizens to purchase certain products or commodities. If the federal government had such power, it would have unlimited police power in determining which commodities, services, values and interests people had to take up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The most current interpretation of the Commerce Clause agrees with my interpretation. Justice Anthony Kennedy even asked the Solicitor General in the case over the Affordable Care Act's constitutionality a very interesting question. He asked that, if the Commerce Clause permitted the federal government to compel citizens to purchase a commodity or service merely for existing, what constraints were there on the government's police power. You see, if the government has this type of power, it can pretty much do whatever it wants regardless of Constitutional restraints. The Solicitor General had no rebuttal for Justice Kennedy.

    You have to have auto insurance after you purchase a car. You do not have to purchase a car, hence auto insurance is not being compelled on U.S. citizens by the federal government (very different from health care, which compels citizens to purchase a commodity merely for existing). Since I did not choose to exist (contra...



    Interstate commerce clause does not give the federal government the power to force citizens to purchase certain products or commodities. If the federal government had such power, it would have unlimited police power in determining which commodities, services, values and interests people had to take up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The most current interpretation of the Commerce Clause agrees with my interpretation. Justice Anthony Kennedy even asked the Solicitor General in the case over the Affordable Care Act's constitutionality a very interesting question. He asked that, if the Commerce Clause permitted the federal government to compel citizens to purchase a commodity or service merely for existing, what constraints were there on the government's police power. You see, if the government has this type of power, it can pretty much do whatever it wants regardless of Constitutional restraints. The Solicitor General had no rebuttal for Justice Kennedy.

    You have to have auto insurance after you purchase a car. You do not have to purchase a car, hence auto insurance is not being compelled on U.S. citizens by the federal government (very different from health care, which compels citizens to purchase a commodity merely for existing). Since I did not choose to exist (contrarily, I chose to buy a car), the two issues are fundamentally different, and only someone very irrational could conflate them.

    Health insurance costs are determined by a number of factors. You are correct that an uninsured person getting injured drives up costs for everyone. But insurance companies - and the people who choose to purchase insurance - choose to take those risks before purchasing insurance, hence the liability is squarely on them. Again, your interpretation of the Commerce clause allows unlimited policing power. If the government can intervene for the purpose of lowering costs (e.g., what your example ultimately is), then it can arbitrarily regulate any industry for the purpose of lowering costs (and we all know how well that works out).

    Health insurance premiums have risen dramatically since Obamacare. This is because it does things like force insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions, give lower rates to poorer individuals and allow children to stay on their parents' insurance until they're 26. Those drive up costs far more than the people that don't have insurance.
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  • Met Leantom... 2012/05/12 15:08:06 (edited)
    Met
    +1
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Bam. Here's hoping the supreme court has Wikipedia
  • Leantom... Met 2012/05/12 04:45:55
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    +1
    Also, speaking of killing terrorists, you also know that Obama is responsible for killing terrorists - among which include U.S. citizens - with drones, thereby neglecting due process.

    For some reason, I think that's far worse than water-boarding.
  • Met Leantom... 2012/05/12 14:49:44 (edited)
    Met
    +1
    wasn't it your side that declared war on civilians who inspire terror?

    Just because he does a better job of it than your guys... suck it.
  • Leantom... Met 2012/05/12 16:48:55
    Leantom, the Economic Rationalist
    +1
    The federal government can suppress insurrections by U.S. citizens by combating them. It cannot, however, deny them due process.

    Dumb rebuttal.
  • dianne615 Met 2012/05/12 13:28:30
    dianne615
    +2
    Well said!
  • Anonymous JimmyIIX 2012/05/11 23:48:10
    Anonymous
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  • JimmyIIX Anonymous 2012/05/12 00:41:13 (edited)
    JimmyIIX
    +2
    i'm gathering a face, but what is that supposed to be? It looks like pacman on crack. I'm trying to look at it every way. But it's escaping me.
  • Anonymous JimmyIIX 2012/05/16 03:03:33
    Anonymous
    It's troll face stuipid kid.
  • Cry_Bab... JimmyIIX 2012/05/11 23:49:25
    Cry_Baby_Obama
    +2
    Obama brilliant legislation costing our economy? Well first of all, Dodd-Frank is excepted to require at least 400 new rules or regulations with which businesses must comply. About two years since the legislation was passed, only 185 of those regulations have been written (more than 5,300 pages). But based on the estimates of those 185 rules, they are expected to cost the private sector over 24 million hours each year, just to comply with new Dodd-Frank regulations. That’s time, and ultimately money, that could be spent on hiring workers, becoming more productive, investing in new equipment or growing the business. Instead, it will be wasted putting up with Dear Rulers’ attempt to pander to the dumbmasses.
  • Scalded... JimmyIIX 2012/05/12 01:07:28
    Scalded Eagle
    +2
    Right, he is intentionally trying to crash the country.
  • Cry_Bab... Met 2012/05/11 23:44:16 (edited)
    Cry_Baby_Obama
    +2
    Obama is victim of Bush's failed promises! Barack Obama is setting a record-setting number of records during his first term in office:

    Largest budget ever. Largest deficit ever. Largest number of broken promises ever.
    Most self-serving speeches ever. Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever. Fastest dive in popularity ever!

    Wow! Talk about change.

    Just one year after , fresh from his inauguration celebrations, President Obama was flying high. After one of the nation's most inspiring political campaigns, the election of America's first black president had captured the hopes and dreams of millions. To his devout followers, it was inconceivable that a year later his administration would be gripped in self-imposed crisis.

    Will President Obama ever accept responsibility for something/anything?
  • Cry_Bab... Met 2012/05/12 00:03:16
  • star Met 2012/05/12 03:32:42
    star
    +1
    The man is wrong. Hate has nothing to do with it. I guess you like His giving all our money to other countries. And to those who will not work. The elderly and disabled and little kids are the losers.
  • Stoner 2012/05/11 21:32:47
    Stoner
    +1
    Truth is so stupid its funny sometimes...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • Daniel 2012/05/11 20:48:10
  • LifeIsComedyPHAET 2012/05/11 20:36:12
    LifeIsComedyPHAET
    +3
    Are you insane? You can't possibly believe that. You can't. Herbert Hoover? Millard Filmore signed the Fugitive Slave Act. Andrew Jackson kicked off the Trail of Tears. Andrew Johnson was responsible for an increase in southern poverty and supported the creation of Jim Crow laws.
  • Scalded... LifeIsC... 2012/05/11 21:46:44
    Scalded Eagle
    +1
    But they never sold us out.
  • Angie 2012/05/11 17:40:16
    Angie
    +4
    Yes, absolutely but not because he is incompetent, but because he is anti-American and that is what he meant when he said he was going to "fundamentally transform America."
    If America votes this fraud back into office, the transformation will be completed and America will become a 3rd world nation.
  • Cry_Bab... Angie 2012/05/11 18:20:37
    Cry_Baby_Obama
    +4
    Obama used the word “jobs” 31 times in his State of the Union Address.
    Did you add “-killing” under your breath every time he read the word on his teleprompter? Me, too.
    While Obama was out on the trail filming 2012 campaign ads on the taxpayer’s dime, workers in industries demonized by this White House were getting more bad news.
  • Spyrit ... Angie 2012/05/11 19:00:29
    Spyrit Wulf
    +2
    that's exactly what will happen, but how are we going to get that through to all of the obama followers?
  • Cry_Bab... Spyrit ... 2012/05/11 20:00:55
  • Scalded... Spyrit ... 2012/05/11 21:24:45
    Scalded Eagle
    +2
    Give em more free stuff?
  • Cry_Bab... Angie 2012/05/11 19:59:22 (edited)
  • Scalded... Angie 2012/05/11 21:22:56
    Scalded Eagle
    +3
    Exactly Angie. Obama's dream has always been to watch the sun go down on America. Obama flag logo
  • DeborahLakeHelen 2012/05/11 17:23:02 (edited)
    DeborahLakeHelen
    +4
    He has nearly completely destroyed America. He lies, then lies to cover up those lies. He backpedals, double-speaks, and kisses the asses of ANY group he's trying to get an endorsement from. Another 4 years of Obumma? Then Americal WILL look like this:



    america destroyed america destroyed
  • Cry_Bab... Deborah... 2012/05/11 18:21:27
    Cry_Baby_Obama
    +2
    Obama administration’s own experts estimate their proposal for protecting streams from coal mining would eliminate thousands of jobs and slash production across much of the country, according to a government document obtained by The Associated Press
  • Deborah... Cry_Bab... 2012/05/11 22:30:35
    DeborahLakeHelen
    +3
    That's just one of the many f-ups he's responsible for. He not only doesn't care about the USA, he wants to cripple us, so Islam can take over.
  • Cry_Bab... Deborah... 2012/05/11 22:51:51
  • Deborah... Cry_Bab... 2012/05/11 23:21:50
  • Scalded... Deborah... 2012/05/12 01:10:33
    Scalded Eagle
    +3
    Yep, he is one big disaster for America, alright.
  • Deborah... Scalded... 2012/05/13 02:28:41
    DeborahLakeHelen
    +1
    That he is. And the time for him to go is long overdue.
  • Scalded... Deborah... 2012/05/11 21:26:26
    Scalded Eagle
    +3
    Then he will give his self an A+.
  • Deborah... Scalded... 2012/05/11 22:33:06
    DeborahLakeHelen
    +3
    And a pat on the back to boot.

    obama self portrait
  • UnusualSuspect 2012/05/11 17:22:31
    UnusualSuspect
    No one will ever be able to remove George W. Bush's name as the worst President of all time.

    Conservatives/Republicans are trying in vain to remove that stain left by Bush, but it will never happen.

    obama
  • Nik Unusual... 2012/05/11 18:08:15
    Nik
    +4
    Point me towards a Bush Policy that Obama did not continue or even expand.

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