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Rave This: If you think modern day Dems are socialists, Posing as old school Liberals.

Scalded Eagle 2012/06/20 19:14:44
I think the Democratic Party was overthrown by socialists in the late 50s to early 60s, when the transitition was made from the party of the working man to the party of the non-workers. What are your thoughts.
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  • Red Branch 2012/07/21 19:20:52
    Red Branch
    I think they used to portray themselves as old school liberals, but I believe they gave up that pretense at least 20 years ago.
  • Fredrick House 2012/07/14 02:04:33 (edited)
    Fredrick House
    Democrats are not Socialists in the strictest sense of the word. They are really deadbeats who survive on the teats of the taxpayer while contributing little themselves. That is closer to be parasitic than Socialistic. There is "responsible socialism" ( which I don't care for either) and there is Dependency. That is what Democrat Politicians offer the masses instead of Real Hope and Real Change. This has to implode eventually, like soon!


    As the saying goes, The problem we have today is that the people who work for a living and pay taxes are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. Examine this:
    4.5% of Caucasians work for the government. 18% of Black/AAM's work for the government. Where is the discrimination? Even if all the workers were of the same race or ethinicity, they would still be taking money out of the private sector where the real jobs and real economic future should be found. When you factor in retirement costs for those who are no longer actually "producing" anything, the expense is staggering in proportion to the private sector where supply and demand instead of patronage and partisanship rule.
  • ehrhornp 2012/07/13 01:32:31
    ehrhornp
    I wish modern democrats were a bit more socialistic. Unfortunately we have socialists for the rich in both parties who want to transfer wealth from the middle class to the very rich.
  • Gene_In_Kabul 2012/07/11 06:41:18
    Gene_In_Kabul
    +3
    I thin k your premise is completely on target. And the NEA is ensuring that our children are properly brain washed.
  • ChrisK1969 2012/07/08 00:01:11
  • Fariborz-Zak 2012/07/07 05:34:30
    Fariborz-Zak
    anyway they r ./.1
  • ehrhornp 2012/07/06 00:00:41
    ehrhornp
    +1
    A shame people don't realize what socialism is or that republicans have originally given the country these "socialist" ideas. Take Obama Care, first proposed by Nixon as an alternative to a single payor universal health program. Must be therefore that Nixon was a pinko commie? lol Or how about that pinko of all time Ronald Wilson Reagan, aka 666 who increased taxes not just once but a number of times and still couldn't balance the budget so he was just a tax and spend pinko commie too.
  • Lucius Junius Brutus 2012/07/03 01:08:15
    Lucius Junius Brutus
    Name one part of the Democratic party platform that's socialist.
  • Lucius Junius Brutus 2012/07/03 01:01:47
    Lucius Junius Brutus
    Giving money to private industry like the failed company Solyndra, carrying out drone attacks in Pakistan, supporting the NDAA, backing a healthcare reform bill that was meant to be a boon to private business. Yep, that's socialism...oh wait no its not
  • 4570GOVT 2012/06/29 16:08:10
    4570GOVT
    +1
    ~~~~~~ RAVE ~~~~~~ RAVE ~~~~~~ RAVE ~~~~~~ RAVE ~~~~~~ RAVE ~~~~~~

    You are absolutely correct ! The Liberal Democrats have been conquered from within " AND ARE TO STUPID TO SEE IT " !
    The Democrats of old that my parents & grandparents knew Are Long Gone and have been since the 60's . I think that J.F.K. would be classified as a Moderate Republican by todays standards . After Him , L.B.J. started the ball rolling toward a Socialist State ! Johnsons War ( Viet-Nam ) and his Hatred of blacks Were Twisted & Spun by the media . Nixon was blamed for Viet-Nam even though he inherited it BUT he ended it for which he got no credit . ...................... The M,S.M. is nothing but " The Propaganda Network Of The Democrat / Socialist Party " !
  • James B... 4570GOVT 2012/06/29 23:27:45
    James Brice
    +1
    Nixon actually passed some very liberal laws.. the reason the left hates Nixon so much isn't because of Watergate...it is because he prosecuted Algernon Hiss, a darling of the left who was shown to be a commie spy for the soviets. The leftist media hated Nixon for doing this, because they agreed with Hiss and his commie beliefs.
  • golem48 2012/06/28 19:11:21
    golem48
    Technically, they are actually fascists. The big players are allowed to stay in business, but are controlled by 0bama's designated oligarchs. FUBO!
  • Ukie 2012/06/27 15:35:57
    Ukie
    +1
    YEP.....a pig by any other name is still a pig!!
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    Obama Failed Soda Head Chief Opi
    +1
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  • 4570GOVT Obama F... 2012/06/29 16:11:48
    4570GOVT
    +1
    It's ALREADY GONE ! The Obama GOON SQUAD has declared war on the first amendment.
  • Obama F... 4570GOVT 2012/06/29 16:20:53 (edited)
    Obama Failed Soda Head Chief Opi
    +1
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  • 4570GOVT Obama F... 2012/06/29 16:38:15
    4570GOVT
    +1
    " THEY " remove the TRUTH just as fast as you can post it ! Stay a Step Ahead .
  • James B... 4570GOVT 2012/06/29 23:30:00
    James Brice
    +1
    the left is still trying to use the fairness doctrine to spread propaganda on the radio against people like rush limbaugh. They hate freedom and truth as much as any control freak totalitarians throughout history do.
  • 4570GOVT James B... 2012/06/30 00:37:49
  • capoeirakid 2012/06/26 04:44:58
    capoeirakid
    I'm a modern day Dem and I'm not a Socialist. I don't think that we should be forced to pay so many taxes. Rather than that, the government should enforce slightly fewer mandatory taxes and have well-advertised national fundraisers for different programs that need funding from the government that would no longer be payed for be taxes. That way, if you don't like the program, you don't have to donate. But it would only be lowered slightly because I think that most taxes are vital to the government, and some of these programs would still need at least some guaranteed funding from the government. I don't think that the government has a right to a portion of the money a worker earns, but it can't run without it. Maybe someday the government will be able to run without taxes, but until then, in order for our country to run in a way that keeps Americans safe and happy, we need most of the taxes we have. On most issues I'm a Democrat, but on a few I'm Republican.
  • dekecds capoeir... 2012/07/10 21:01:26
    dekecds
    you sound completely republican to me, but hey, I'm a Libertarian. Democrat = Taxes, mandated choices, oppression of religious beliefs. Republican = different taxes, poor selection of choices, oppression of religious beliefs.
  • capoeir... dekecds 2012/08/12 01:43:15
    capoeirakid
    I don't believein religious oppression at all. Oh, and what do you mean by "mandated choices?" never heard that phrase before...
  • Avenged7 2012/06/25 23:37:34
    Avenged7
    +1
    This socialism is just bunch of right wing propaganda to demean liberal, but what I see on here is people that follow the right wing line don't even know the definition of socialism. So they just repeat what there told, and their right wing masters never tell the truth. It's all about political power, and they will lie,and cheat to get it!!!!!!!!
  • Jane Avenged7 2012/06/26 18:16:51
    Jane
    These people don't even know that their government is the people, they just want to destroy it cause government is the problem.
  • James B... Avenged7 2012/06/29 23:31:40
    James Brice
    Why don't you back up your absurd claims with some facts, pallyboy?
  • Avenged7 James B... 2012/06/30 23:53:18
  • Riobhca 2012/06/25 17:41:18
    Riobhca
    +2
    It seems that most of them are.
  • WankerBait 2012/06/25 16:41:05
    WankerBait
    +1
    The only posers are the Theo-Fascists in control of the US Republican Party and the sheeple who worship them and their ideology. Progressives in the USA have not changed their positions. It's the "conservatives" in the USA that have morphed into Theo- Fascist totalitarian usurpers of the people...
  • James B... WankerBait 2012/06/29 23:32:57
    James Brice
    that is total crap. Leftists have taken over the dem party. show us the history and facts to back up your absurd nonsensical claims.
  • WankerBait James B... 2012/07/01 19:48:15
    WankerBait
    Open you eyes sheeple. Look into the legislation being introduced in the House, or in any of the Republican legislatures where the cons hold the majorities. Read the 2012 Texas Republican Platform. If these are not Theo-fascists, then Iran must be your idea of paradise...

    Iran
  • DrDelos 2012/06/25 15:47:56
    DrDelos
    +3
    This is an alphabetical list of all members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) (Social Democrats) as of April 2011:

    Tammy Baldwin, Karen Bass, Xavier Becerra, Earl Blumenauer, Robert Brady, Corrine Brown, Michael Capuano, Andre Carson, Donna Christensen, Judy Chu, David Cicilline, Yvette Clarke, William "Lacy" Clay, Emanuel Cleaver, Steve Cohen, John Conyers, Elijah Cummings, Danny Davis, Peter DeFazio, Rosa DeLauro, Donna Edwards, Keith Ellison (co-chair), Sam Farr, Chaka Fattah, Bob Filner, Barney Frank, Marcia Fudge, Raúl Grijalva (co-chair), Luis Gutierrez, Maurice Hinchey, Mazie Hirono, Michael Honda, Jesse Jackson Jr., Sheila Jackson-Lee, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Hank Johnson (whip), Marcy Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, David Loebsack, Ben Ray Lujan, Carolyn Maloney, Ed Markey, Jim McDermott, James McGovern, George Miller, Gwen Moore, Jim Moran, Jerrold Nadler, Eleanor Holmes Norton, John Olver, Frank Pallone, Ed Pastor, Donald Payne, Chellie Pingree, Jared Polis, Charles Rangel, Laura Richardson, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Bobby Rush, Linda Sanchez, Bernie Sanders (CPC's lone Senator), Jan Schakowsky, Jose Serrano, Louise Slaughter, Pete Stark, Bennie Thompson, John Tierney, Nydia Velazquez, Maxine Waters, Mel Watt, Henry Waxman, Peter Welch, Fr...

    This is an alphabetical list of all members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) (Social Democrats) as of April 2011:

    Tammy Baldwin, Karen Bass, Xavier Becerra, Earl Blumenauer, Robert Brady, Corrine Brown, Michael Capuano, Andre Carson, Donna Christensen, Judy Chu, David Cicilline, Yvette Clarke, William "Lacy" Clay, Emanuel Cleaver, Steve Cohen, John Conyers, Elijah Cummings, Danny Davis, Peter DeFazio, Rosa DeLauro, Donna Edwards, Keith Ellison (co-chair), Sam Farr, Chaka Fattah, Bob Filner, Barney Frank, Marcia Fudge, Raúl Grijalva (co-chair), Luis Gutierrez, Maurice Hinchey, Mazie Hirono, Michael Honda, Jesse Jackson Jr., Sheila Jackson-Lee, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Hank Johnson (whip), Marcy Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, David Loebsack, Ben Ray Lujan, Carolyn Maloney, Ed Markey, Jim McDermott, James McGovern, George Miller, Gwen Moore, Jim Moran, Jerrold Nadler, Eleanor Holmes Norton, John Olver, Frank Pallone, Ed Pastor, Donald Payne, Chellie Pingree, Jared Polis, Charles Rangel, Laura Richardson, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Bobby Rush, Linda Sanchez, Bernie Sanders (CPC's lone Senator), Jan Schakowsky, Jose Serrano, Louise Slaughter, Pete Stark, Bennie Thompson, John Tierney, Nydia Velazquez, Maxine Waters, Mel Watt, Henry Waxman, Peter Welch, Frederica Wilson, and Lynn Woolsey.

    The goals of the CPC are those of the Social Democrats around the World. http://blog.beliefnet.com/wat...
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  • Scalded... DrDelos 2012/06/25 17:55:20
    Scalded Eagle
    +2
    Thank for the list.
  • James B... DrDelos 2012/06/29 23:34:56
    James Brice
    when they were all walking out of the contempt vote against Holder I would have loved to launch a massive stink bomb into their warped, racist, elitist totalitarian mass.
  • WinterLynn 2012/06/25 14:57:59
  • Obama Failed Soda Head Chie... 2012/06/25 13:35:49
    Obama Failed Soda Head Chief Opi
    +3
    What is socialism?

    Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community for the purposes of increasing social and economic freedom, equality and cooperation.

    Socialism is a type of Collectivism. The key assumption made is that the individual belongs to the community, and therefore his/her labor belongs to the collective. There are various offshoots of the core ideal.
    Properties of Socialism

    All members of the economy share benefits, regardless of their economic value to the system.
    A healthy socialistic system results in non-economic productivity.
    In environments with plentiful resources, socialism provides all members with their survival needs, through the redistribution of wealth from those who produce.
    Members that cannot participate economically - due to disabilities, age, or periods of poor health - can still impart wisdom, support and continuity of experience to the system.
    Leaders, who are not producing, have domain over those who are producing.


    There are different varieties of socialism. They share a desire for egalitarianism, by which they mean some real equality, not just equality before the law and equal opportun...




















    What is socialism?

    Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community for the purposes of increasing social and economic freedom, equality and cooperation.

    Socialism is a type of Collectivism. The key assumption made is that the individual belongs to the community, and therefore his/her labor belongs to the collective. There are various offshoots of the core ideal.
    Properties of Socialism

    All members of the economy share benefits, regardless of their economic value to the system.
    A healthy socialistic system results in non-economic productivity.
    In environments with plentiful resources, socialism provides all members with their survival needs, through the redistribution of wealth from those who produce.
    Members that cannot participate economically - due to disabilities, age, or periods of poor health - can still impart wisdom, support and continuity of experience to the system.
    Leaders, who are not producing, have domain over those who are producing.


    There are different varieties of socialism. They share a desire for egalitarianism, by which they mean some real equality, not just equality before the law and equal opportunities. In a socialist society one would expect income tax to be sharply progressive, for example.

    One common feature is the assumption that people are inherently bad, and if left to themselves, will let their neighbors starve. It is argued that to prevent this, everyone must give all they have to the government, who will benignly distribute it to the needy. Forgotten is this : if men are inherently bad, then how will setting inherently bad men over them help? And if men are not inherently bad, then why set anyone over them?

    According to Daniel DeLeon, socialism "is that social system under which the necessaries of production are owned, controlled and administered by the people, for the people, and under which, accordingly, the cause of political and economic despotism having been abolished, class rule is at an end. That is socialism, nothing short of that." Mr. DeLeon forgot that as "the people" are an abstraction, that a leadership class will evolve to speak "for" the people.

    Other theories have it according to degree of public good, where industries are seized in some countries where it was felt a direct effect on the welfare of the citizens as whole would result. Such vital sectors such as Military, Border Control, Customs, Public Health, and Police are normally under control of the state. Universally, Socialism could be considered as a tool of modern governance. It has been overused in the past to disastrous result [some still present to this day]. It has morphed into a matter of degree rather then a thing unto itself.

    Pure socialism can only work in small communities, ideally with a strong sense of identity and perhaps family ties. As socialist societies grow, they can foster even more corruption among officials than capitalist ones. Also, in the absence of force the more able in society will limit their labour if they don't benefit from their efforts directly.

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    Socialism - Economic vs Political

    One thing the above gets a bit confused with is that in modern-day academic usage, socialism is mostly an economic idea, not a political idea. When talking about political socialism, usually it is referred to by another name, which specifies how the socialist economic policy is to be implemented; see things like Marxism, Communism, and Maoism. Economic socialism by itself says nothing about the way that wealth should be distributed per se - that is, a socialist economy does not have to have one particular form of political system structure. It is entirely possible to run a socialist economy mated with a republican form of government.

    Commonly, Socialism (with the capital 'S') is a shorthand for Marxism, while socialism (with a lower-case 's') refers to the socialism economic theory.

    Like all economic theories, socialism has major faults, though it appears that socialism and capitalism are currently the most successful economic theories so far, as virtually the entire world runs on some form of either one (and, in most cases, a blend of the two).
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  • susan Obama F... 2012/06/27 20:39:08
    susan
    Good lesson in economic systems. The key points:
    1."Pure socialism can only work in small communities, ideally with a strong sense of identity and perhaps family ties. As socialist societies grow, they can foster even more corruption among officials than capitalist ones."
    2. "Like all economic theories, socialism has major faults, though it appears that socialism and capitalism are currently the most successful economic theories so far, as virtually the entire world runs on some form of either one (and, in most cases, a blend of the two)."
  • James B... Obama F... 2012/06/29 23:36:24
    James Brice
    +1
    It doesn't work. you may as well ask animals in the forest to all just get along.
  • Obama F... James B... 2012/06/30 00:14:02
    Obama Failed Soda Head Chief Opi
    You, bet it dose not work
  • Rusty 2012/06/25 13:32:50
    Rusty
    +2
    I think that all democrats are patriotic. The trouble lies in who they are patriotic for! It seems as though the ones in charge are patriotic for the Democratic Party and the ones that are patriotic for all Americans are quiet. I know democrats that are not socialists....they are not heard from in any meaningful way. I was raised a Democrat......the democratic party's ideas are very foreign to me now. I believe Reagan"s statement is correct.
    WHAT AMERICA NEEDS IS THE SILENT MAJORITY TO REBEL AGAINST THE
    .........ELITIST POLITICAL CLASS AND TAKE BACK THE ELECTORAL PROCESS.
  • susan Rusty 2012/06/27 20:41:23
    susan
    +2
    Agreed, Rusty. I used to be a Democrat (still am a registered Dem in my state), but the national Democratic Party has become so under the control of extremists that I cannot support it, the President, or most of the Democrats in Congress.
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