Yes, they can have all the rights of a traditional male/female couple and they can be united, just don't call it a marriage, a marriage is between a man and a women.
Laws are given to oppress many. Oppressing is one of the chronic sins of the cities o the plain. Mans laws used by religious people were used to try to convict Jesus of sin. They are used throughout history. Their is no mercy or love in them. Satan has no love or mercy in him. Therefore people using laws that have no love or mercy in them enforcing them commit adultery against Jesus the bride bowing to the devil.
I believe in the word of God. I am not part of any religious organization. I am not Jew therefore not a part of the religion that convicted Jesus nor a roman the ones that crucified, killed, murdered Jesus. Since God himself said that homosexuality is an abomination in his eyes and Jesus states that he if it offends his father, God, then it is also offensive to him and I believe Jesus word, homosesxuality is an abomination in my eyes. Therefore to glorify Jesus then I can not sit back as others, who have a different agenda, try to circumvent the laws of God.
Marriage should be the choice of whoever. Religious people dictate. Guess what that makes you you beast, that's right beast, Ecclesiastics 3: 18 - 20 KJV read it.
Marriage is a religious precept that came from the Bible. Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION (much worse than a sin, not translated from the same word as sin) to God, in the Bible also. Read it.
I will crush you about the word abominable. `Non human animals do not sin no matter what kind of sex they have. How then can human animals sin having same sex or cross species sex? War is abominable spilling blood one of the abominable things in ,KJV, Pro; 6:16, 7 in all none of them any kind of sex. Hebrews 12:15, Mat, 15: 11, Mark, 7: 15, three defiled things, none of them any kind of sex. Pro, 17:23, Pro, 4; 24, Pro, 3: 32, Pro,11:20, Pro 20:10, 7 things that are perverted. None of them the accusations against any kind of sex. Religious people planed, schemed ,connived in their minds thinking they were cunning have Jesus crucified . I am against that mentality 100%. Religion is the devil looking like God. That is why you think Jesus is in being bad.
We are supposed to be like Jesus is to save our soul. Jesus did not go around saying stone him, stone him about anything, but the people against him did. Can you see whose side you are on? The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for saying he, and the father are one. You want bad for the gay or Pedo or zoosexual or anyone in the legal system acting like the enemy's of Jesus not like Jesus.
Jesus is the Lord. Jesus is the father. God in the old was saving whoever wanted to serve him. The devil swallowed those that followed him. That's the way it is.
That is my opinion!! and my belief. You say you are Chrisitian? The above is from King James version. The Bible states Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.
Non human animals do not sin no matter what kind of sex they have. How then can human animals sin having same sex or cross species sex? This is one of an infinite number of ways you are wrong. You condemn disobeying what Jesus wants you to do .You want to destroy your neighbor with your mouth . You want to make yourself appear to be better than the zoo, You give them the evil eye doing what God says not to do. You hate being a murderer being what God does not want you to be. The whole bible is against you. How can you say you are right? How can you be right acting like the people that spiked Jesus to beams? Jesus avoided the appearance of evil, but people like you dive right in.
Who the hell are you to judge me? I repeat, this is a opinion poll, I have the right to state my opinion. I habor no hatred for gays, I have many friends who are gay and lesbians. How dare you even mention God's name with the tone you use. You need a lot of prayers. You are the pot calling the kettle black. Amen.
I see your heart thats what. I told you the truth. If you don't follow it you condemn yourself. it is documented that all kinds of living things on this planet has a multitude of different sex including sex to same sex. Non human animals do not sin, how then can we? That means people have been chronically wrong abouit thinking the gay is less Than other people of the human race.That's what gives Muslims practicing Sharia law, bowing to Mecca, Kaaba, Koran, the name of Mohammed claiming to only worship Allah gives them a presupposed reason to hang them feeling exceptionally good. Western religions are no better. 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality. http://www.news-medical.net/n... The evidence is out there. That means you are believing a lie making Gods word into a lie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I am white as snow. Jesus is in me. You want to know what is abominable, perverted, and defiled? All of them describe your mouth, and what people did to the gay. Abomination, perversion, and defiled are not what religions say either year in, and year out. i am here to show you your error. Change to save your soul teaching others. Perversion in not any kind of sex. Prov 17 :23A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment. Pro 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit. Pro 19 1Better is The poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips,and is a fool, Pro 4 24,Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee KJV, Proverbs 3, 32For the froward is abomination to the LORD,not gay sex sex with other species or sex when the age spread is wide. Pro 12; 22Lying lips are abomination Proverbs 20 :10Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD . 7 more things that are abominable to the lord. Not a one of them is any kind of sex. KJV, Pro; 6;16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginati...
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I am white as snow. Jesus is in me. You want to know what is abominable, perverted, and defiled? All of them describe your mouth, and what people did to the gay. Abomination, perversion, and defiled are not what religions say either year in, and year out. i am here to show you your error. Change to save your soul teaching others. Perversion in not any kind of sex. Prov 17 :23A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment. Pro 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit. Pro 19 1Better is The poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips,and is a fool, Pro 4 24,Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee KJV, Proverbs 3, 32For the froward is abomination to the LORD,not gay sex sex with other species or sex when the age spread is wide. Pro 12; 22Lying lips are abomination Proverbs 20 :10Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD . 7 more things that are abominable to the lord. Not a one of them is any kind of sex. KJV, Pro; 6;16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren, Hebrews 12:15; Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled. A bitter person will have bitter words. Matthew 15 >> 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. King James Version Mark 7 >> 15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. 1 King James Version. 10; things that are abominable, not one of them is connected to any sexual activity. 4; that are perverse, Not a one of them connected to any kind of sex. 3; that are defile. Again no a one connected to evil accusations. All of the words used against naked people, and the sexualities are not what religions claim.
Therefore to you morality is being like a sneaky, conniving, scheming, to take someone by craft like the religious scribes of chief priests trying to find a way to kill a person. That is the straightest kind of morality I have ever heard of.
Be prepared to be swatted with a swatter the size of the universe.. Religion has lied to people ,and hidden the truth from the world. I am here to show it. Be brave, and take it. K J V Pro 16:7 ; 6By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil. When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him. Putting people to death is not seeking peace. 1 Peter 3 > 10For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 11Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. This means because you do not want to seek peace with the gay, and no doubt with the zoosexual either do not refrain thy tongue from evil. Freely speak guile from your lips doing nothing that is good not eschewing evil therefore not even loving your own life. Repent, and be broken on the rock of Christ or that rock will fall on you, and turn you into dust.
Gods viewpoint is as follows. What follows does not have a loop hole to jail, torture, physically or mentally in any way or kill anyone. 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Apparently you think this means. Torture mentally, physically, jail ,and kill whoever you think you can. Jesus never taught us to be like that. There is no word homosexuality in the KJV bible .That has to be clear. What is abominable are 10 of them. Non of them are any kind of sex. One of them has been done to the gay, and other sexualities, and that is shed their blood, and kill them. According to God what has been done to the gay is abominable. To lie not tell the truth is abominable.The devil lies. The devil will die in Gods light. Please do good. killing in no way is good, That has to be agreed upon. I have a total of 17 verses, and all of them are broken against the gay. You are like the religoins wanting Jesus,and Lazaru...
Gods viewpoint is as follows. What follows does not have a loop hole to jail, torture, physically or mentally in any way or kill anyone. 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Apparently you think this means. Torture mentally, physically, jail ,and kill whoever you think you can. Jesus never taught us to be like that. There is no word homosexuality in the KJV bible .That has to be clear. What is abominable are 10 of them. Non of them are any kind of sex. One of them has been done to the gay, and other sexualities, and that is shed their blood, and kill them. According to God what has been done to the gay is abominable. To lie not tell the truth is abominable.The devil lies. The devil will die in Gods light. Please do good. killing in no way is good, That has to be agreed upon. I have a total of 17 verses, and all of them are broken against the gay. You are like the religoins wanting Jesus,and Lazarus dead .K,J,V,John 12;10, Mark: 14:1-9, You are like the sodomites outside lots house:Genesis 19: 9, now will we deal worse with thee, than with them, Most definitely you want to do worse to a human being. Do you want me to show you all of the verses the people against the gay break, and what describe the breaker of the verses, and how we should be, and what we should not do? The whole bible is against you. How then can those verses be for you wanting death? Jesus never wanted death for anyone. How do you plead?
You act like the scribes wanting to kill; Jesus do you know that? Mark 14:1-9 (KJV)14 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. Sodomites are against the gay, Pedo, zoosexual, sometimes called bestialist, and whoever else in the legal system having no mercy. Sodomites want to do worse against whoever they think they can puffing their chest out thinking they are doing a good work.
So long as they "unite" in their own bedrooms and not wave their sordid lives before the public, they can "unite" until the sun come up for all I care.
Yes and I'm also a believer that they should be allowed to be married. I'm a believer in equality of marriage and appreciate the Unitarian Universalist, Quaker's, United Church of Canada, United Church of Christ and Reform Jewish movement which also believe that you should be able to marry whom you love.
How about loving goats, sheep, dogs, and mermaids? Any opinions?
Sister Jean has blocked me, of course, so I can't tell her that she is going to be "excommunicated" and will be lucky to not be burned at the stake for her "heresy". Jean, you are a fake "Nun", and should change your little game so as to not embarrass the "Church".
Happy to answer your question, hopefully you'll be as polite and answer mine.
Any agreement/marriage I'm supporting presupposes an agreement between two consenting adults, just as it is today. Goats, sheep, dogs are unable to consent. Having never met a mermaid I'm unable to voice an opinion, as I have no idea what they're legal standing would be.
I've heard the "slippery slope" argument used quite often. "If we let same sex couples marry the next thing you know people will be marrying toasters...pedophilia will be legal", etc. etc.
Same sex marriage is legally allowed in the following countries; Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden (forgetting, for the moment, all the countries that allow civil unions) none of those countries allow for marriages to animals of any kind (or, to my knowledge mermaids) or to children.
My question, if none of those countries slid down a slope, progressing from allowing consenting same sex marriage to legal bestiality. Why would you think Americans are unable to hold the same moral/legal standards as Sweden, Canada, Denmark, etc.?
I can't imagine what "moral/legal standards" are involved in a sexual act between any two or four persons, whether homosexual or heterosexual, or with the family goat. The "gay agenda" that tries to force the "marriage" issue on society is nothing but a sexual agenda, wrapping sexual perversions in a cloak of "relationships" and "love", etc. If two people want to cohabitate and share a bed, let them do so. But, why try to screw up the traditional family and "marriage" definitions? Two sodomites will never make "a family", they will always be just two guys humping each other and trying to make like their lives were "normal".
I fully appreciate you using my question as a pulpit to voice your opinion, I have no issue with that, more power to you. I'm a firm believer in people's right to fully express themselves.
l was hoping you might take the time to answer my question, as I took the time to answer yours, but such is life.
I answered your question. What other nations have done with regard to the agenda of the homosexual community is not even slightly relevant to what we in the U.S. might choose to do. Some of these countries also have legalized abortions, heroine and other addictive drugs, prostitution, and other forms of conduct that differ from standards the majority of U.S. citizens would prefer. We cannot conduct our lives by trying to be "like them" as there are too many of "them" out there. We in the U.S. have only 5% of the world's population and can choose for ourselves what we wish to be as a society.
Actually, with all respect, you side stepped the question.
I was wondering why, in regards to same sex marriage, countries that have allowed same sex marriage (not drug use, not prostitution, not abortion but marriage to animals, the topic you raised) have not moved to allowing marriage to sheep, goats, etc. And, if these countries did not move to have legal bestiality after allowing for same sex marriage. Why would you think America would not be able to uphold the same standard? It's a fairly straight forward question.
I am of the opinion that Americans are not long on rational thinking, being easily led by the media pundits on which they depend for their intellectual materials. Whether or not they would move on to loving their goats and sheep as they do their co-workers or guys they met at the bar last night, is beyond my span of speculation. I don't think my opinion would change the course of history with regard to such matters. What I do know is that the gay agenda is forwarded by a friendly media and the unwillingness to describe it for what is is and what it encompasses. Frankly, I really don't care what the gays do, so long as I don't have to see it, smell it, or fear it contaminating my family.
Ah, well then your orignal question was specious then. My apologies, I was doing my best to answer your question seriously and did not realize it was not intended to be treated as such.
Thank you Chris! I do my best to present myself rationally, civilly, reasonably and (most of all) logically. On occasion that leads to actual breakthroughs, well on rare occasions, lol! I'm a firm believer of the Bertrand Russell quote “The degree of one's emotions varies inversely with one's knowledge of the facts.”
I love that quote. I would caution you not to spend much time with this particular person. Soon the pedophile and disease arguments will begin. Been there and it's a waste of time. :-)
Lol, thanks for the heads up! Yes I'm familiar with him. I keep trying logic and fact based positioning and figure, who knows? Maybe someday it will have an impact, if not on him perhaps on someone reading the post who is genuinely looking for answers/understanding and will appreciate (what I hope is) my calm, non-attacking, logical, factual, approach.
Religious people planed, schemed ,connived in their minds thinking they were cunning have Jesus crucified . I am against that mentality 100%. Religion is the devil looking like God. That is why you think Jesus is in being bad.
The Bible states Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.
You want to know what is abominable, perverted, and defiled? All of them describe your mouth, and what people did to the gay.
Abomination, perversion, and defiled are not what religions say either year in, and year out. i am here to show you your error. Change to save your soul teaching others.
Perversion in not any kind of sex. Prov 17 :23A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment. Pro 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit. Pro 19 1Better is The poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips,and is a fool, Pro 4 24,Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee
KJV, Proverbs 3, 32For the froward is abomination to the LORD,not gay sex sex with other species or sex when the age spread is wide.
Pro 12; 22Lying lips are abomination
Proverbs 20 :10Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD .
7 more things that are abominable to the lord. Not a one of them is any kind of sex.
KJV, Pro; 6;16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginati...
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You want to know what is abominable, perverted, and defiled? All of them describe your mouth, and what people did to the gay.
Abomination, perversion, and defiled are not what religions say either year in, and year out. i am here to show you your error. Change to save your soul teaching others.
Perversion in not any kind of sex. Prov 17 :23A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment. Pro 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit. Pro 19 1Better is The poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips,and is a fool, Pro 4 24,Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee
KJV, Proverbs 3, 32For the froward is abomination to the LORD,not gay sex sex with other species or sex when the age spread is wide.
Pro 12; 22Lying lips are abomination
Proverbs 20 :10Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD .
7 more things that are abominable to the lord. Not a one of them is any kind of sex.
KJV, Pro; 6;16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren,
Hebrews 12:15; Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled.
A bitter person will have bitter words.
Matthew 15 >> 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
King James Version
Mark 7 >> 15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. 1
King James Version.
10; things that are abominable, not one of them is connected to any sexual activity.
4; that are perverse, Not a one of them connected to any kind of sex.
3; that are defile. Again no a one connected to evil accusations.
All of the words used against naked people, and the sexualities are not what religions claim.
K J V Pro 16:7 ; 6By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
Putting people to death is not seeking peace.
1 Peter 3 > 10For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
11Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
This means because you do not want to seek peace with the gay, and no doubt with the zoosexual either do not refrain thy tongue from evil. Freely speak guile from your lips doing nothing that is good not eschewing evil therefore not even loving your own life.
Repent, and be broken on the rock of Christ or that rock will fall on you, and turn you into dust.
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Apparently you think this means. Torture mentally, physically, jail ,and kill whoever you think you can. Jesus never taught us to be like that.
There is no word homosexuality in the KJV bible .That has to be clear. What is abominable are 10 of them. Non of them are any kind of sex. One of them has been done to the gay, and other sexualities, and that is shed their blood, and kill them. According to God what has been done to the gay is abominable. To lie not tell the truth is abominable.The devil lies. The devil will die in Gods light. Please do good. killing in no way is good, That has to be agreed upon. I have a total of 17 verses, and all of them are broken against the gay. You are like the religoins wanting Jesus,and Lazaru...
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Apparently you think this means. Torture mentally, physically, jail ,and kill whoever you think you can. Jesus never taught us to be like that.
There is no word homosexuality in the KJV bible .That has to be clear. What is abominable are 10 of them. Non of them are any kind of sex. One of them has been done to the gay, and other sexualities, and that is shed their blood, and kill them. According to God what has been done to the gay is abominable. To lie not tell the truth is abominable.The devil lies. The devil will die in Gods light. Please do good. killing in no way is good, That has to be agreed upon. I have a total of 17 verses, and all of them are broken against the gay. You are like the religoins wanting Jesus,and Lazarus dead .K,J,V,John 12;10, Mark: 14:1-9, You are like the sodomites outside lots house:Genesis 19: 9, now will we deal worse with thee, than with them, Most definitely you want to do worse to a human being. Do you want me to show you all of the verses the people against the gay break, and what describe the breaker of the verses, and how we should be, and what we should not do? The whole bible is against you. How then can those verses be for you wanting death? Jesus never wanted death for anyone. How do you plead?
Sister Jean has blocked me, of course, so I can't tell her that she is going to be "excommunicated" and will be lucky to not be burned at the stake for her "heresy".
Jean, you are a fake "Nun", and should change your little game so as to not embarrass the "Church".
Any agreement/marriage I'm supporting presupposes an agreement between two consenting adults, just as it is today. Goats, sheep, dogs are unable to consent. Having never met a mermaid I'm unable to voice an opinion, as I have no idea what they're legal standing would be.
I've heard the "slippery slope" argument used quite often. "If we let same sex couples marry the next thing you know people will be marrying toasters...pedophilia will be legal", etc. etc.
Same sex marriage is legally allowed in the following countries; Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden (forgetting, for the moment, all the countries that allow civil unions) none of those countries allow for marriages to animals of any kind (or, to my knowledge mermaids) or to children.
My question, if none of those countries slid down a slope, progressing from allowing consenting same sex marriage to legal bestiality. Why would you think Americans are unable to hold the same moral/legal standards as Sweden, Canada, Denmark, etc.?
l was hoping you might take the time to answer my question, as I took the time to answer yours, but such is life.
I was wondering why, in regards to same sex marriage, countries that have allowed same sex marriage (not drug use, not prostitution, not abortion but marriage to animals, the topic you raised) have not moved to allowing marriage to sheep, goats, etc. And, if these countries did not move to have legal bestiality after allowing for same sex marriage. Why would you think America would not be able to uphold the same standard? It's a fairly straight forward question.
materials. Whether or not they would move on to loving their goats and sheep as they do their co-workers or guys they met at the bar last night, is beyond my span of speculation. I don't think my opinion would change the course of history with regard to such matters. What I do know is that
the gay agenda is forwarded by a friendly media and the unwillingness to describe it for what is is and what it encompasses. Frankly, I really don't care what the gays do, so long as I don't have to see it, smell it, or fear it contaminating my family.
I would caution you not to spend much time with this particular person. Soon the pedophile and disease arguments will begin. Been there and it's a waste of time. :-)