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  • JERSEYDUDE Bill 2012/08/03 05:00:37
    JERSEYDUDE
    What if our foreign policy of the past century is deeply flawed and has not served our national security interests?

    What if we wake up one day and realize that the terrorist threat is a predictable consequence of our meddling in the affairs of others and has nothing to do with us being free and prosperous?

    What if propping up oppressive regimes in the Middle East endangers both the United States and Israel?

    What if occupying countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan is directly related to the hatred directed toward us?

    What if some day it dawns on us that losing over 5,000 American military personnel in the Middle East since 9/11 is not a fair trade off for the loss of nearly 3,000 American citizens no matter how many Iraqi, Pakistani, or Afghan people are killed or displaced?

    What if we finally decide that torture even if called “enhanced interrogation technique” is self destructive and produces no useful information and that contracting it out to a third world nation is just as evil?

    What if it is finally realized that war and military spending is always destructive to the economy?

    What if all war time spending is paid for through the deceitful and evil process of inflating and borrowing?

    What if we finally see that war time conditions always undermine persona...























    What if our foreign policy of the past century is deeply flawed and has not served our national security interests?

    What if we wake up one day and realize that the terrorist threat is a predictable consequence of our meddling in the affairs of others and has nothing to do with us being free and prosperous?

    What if propping up oppressive regimes in the Middle East endangers both the United States and Israel?

    What if occupying countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan is directly related to the hatred directed toward us?

    What if some day it dawns on us that losing over 5,000 American military personnel in the Middle East since 9/11 is not a fair trade off for the loss of nearly 3,000 American citizens no matter how many Iraqi, Pakistani, or Afghan people are killed or displaced?

    What if we finally decide that torture even if called “enhanced interrogation technique” is self destructive and produces no useful information and that contracting it out to a third world nation is just as evil?

    What if it is finally realized that war and military spending is always destructive to the economy?

    What if all war time spending is paid for through the deceitful and evil process of inflating and borrowing?

    What if we finally see that war time conditions always undermine personal liberty?

    What if conservatives who preach small government wake up and realize that our interventionist foreign policy provides the greatest incentive to expand the government?

    What if conservatives understood once again that their only logical position is to reject military intervention and managing an empire throughout the world?

    What if the American people woke up and understood that the official reasons for going to war are almost always based on lies and promoted by war propaganda in order to serve special interests?

    What if we as a nation came to realize that the quest for empire eventually destroys all great nations?

    What if Obama has no intention of leaving Iraq?

    What if a military draft is being planned for, for the wars that will spread if our foreign policy is not changed?

    What if the American people learn the truth that our foreign policy has nothing to do with national security and that it never changes from one administration to the next?

    What if war and preparation for war is a racket serving the special interests?

    What if president Obama is completely wrong about Afghanistan and it turns out worse than Iraq and Vietnam - put together?

    What if Christianity actually teaches peace and not preventive wars of aggression?

    What if diplomacy is found to be superior to bombs and bribes in protecting America?

    What happens if my concerns are completely unfounded? Nothing. But what happens if my concerns are justified and ignored? Nothing good.”
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  • Bill JERSEYDUDE 2012/08/03 12:40:56 (edited)
    Bill
    I've read all of your points/questions and all I can say is that your concerns are completely unfounded. Your points are those of a wishful, wistful thinker who, if in charge of a country, would be immediately overrun.

    What foreign policy could the U.S. and Kuwait provided Iraq's Saddam Hussein that would have prevented his invasion? NONE. Where were the pre-WWII Japanese to be found at the negotiating table while they were ruthlessly expanding THEIR Pacific empire? They may have negotiated to an extent but only as a prelude to Pearl Harbor. And the Germans? They negotiated with Chamberlain and what did it get him? War. What about Vietnam. We negotiated with them during the whole war but they used it as a stalling tactic. There was NEVER any intention to stop the war. Then, at the end, when we were pulling out, what did they do? The agreed to a tripartite government and when we were almost gone, the abrogated that treaty and overran the south.

    You MUST know with whom you are dealing. If you think that talking nice to Saddam, Hitler, Tojo and Ho is going to bring about a new world order of peace and justice, you are wrong. History is manifestly against you and I do mean the entire earth's political and military history.

    I'm not worried about others liking or loving u...







    I've read all of your points/questions and all I can say is that your concerns are completely unfounded. Your points are those of a wishful, wistful thinker who, if in charge of a country, would be immediately overrun.

    What foreign policy could the U.S. and Kuwait provided Iraq's Saddam Hussein that would have prevented his invasion? NONE. Where were the pre-WWII Japanese to be found at the negotiating table while they were ruthlessly expanding THEIR Pacific empire? They may have negotiated to an extent but only as a prelude to Pearl Harbor. And the Germans? They negotiated with Chamberlain and what did it get him? War. What about Vietnam. We negotiated with them during the whole war but they used it as a stalling tactic. There was NEVER any intention to stop the war. Then, at the end, when we were pulling out, what did they do? The agreed to a tripartite government and when we were almost gone, the abrogated that treaty and overran the south.

    You MUST know with whom you are dealing. If you think that talking nice to Saddam, Hitler, Tojo and Ho is going to bring about a new world order of peace and justice, you are wrong. History is manifestly against you and I do mean the entire earth's political and military history.

    I'm not worried about others liking or loving us. I want to keep them in line. 9/11 happened because the terrorists didn't like our foreign policy and concerns for Israel.

    Bin Laden said that peace with the U.S. could only be achieved if the U.S. stopped supporting Israel and converted to Islam. Not much room for negotiating there and how would one come to a compromise? That's insane and that insanity can only be stomped out by war and their destruction. Anything else is surrender. Have they stopped their terrorism? No. Only a promise of more. Well, there goes your peace table.

    Remember when Obummer was running and he said that he would begin "no precondition" negotiations with Ahmadinejad - face to face? How did that work out? Zilch. Obummer knew it was a lie but people, such as you, were so anxious for "peace" that they lost sight of the objective: winning.

    All of your points come to naught. Illusory and meaningless as the old saying, "If you take a penny and double the number of pennies each day, by the end of the month you will be a millionaire." The first few weeks are fine but it's the latter days you may have a hard time with.

    In the real world, you will be defeated. Look at the U.N. What have they ever done to establish world peace? Absolutely nothing. What did they do in Iraq? Nothing. What did they do in Rwanda? Nothing except watch the Tutsi be slaughtered (about 800,000). So, there's your "peace" and your "what if's?" Naught.
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  • jere.ch... JERSEYDUDE 2012/07/28 14:40:12
    jere.chievres
    You have not idea what a neocon is read and learn.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • JERSEYDUDE jere.ch... 2012/07/28 22:24:43
    JERSEYDUDE
    oh i know wtf a neocon is thanks very much.....i dont need wiki to tell me that neocons are disgusting heartless homophobic authoritarian warmongers
  • Bill JERSEYDUDE 2012/08/01 19:48:04
    Bill
    I'd like to share in that distinction.
  • JERSEYDUDE Bill 2012/08/01 21:03:05
    JERSEYDUDE
    okay
  • Bill JERSEYDUDE 2012/08/02 13:02:16
    Bill
    You got it. Thanks. How about a rave?
  • JERSEYDUDE Bill 2012/08/02 20:15:29
    JERSEYDUDE
    i dont rave NEOCONS
  • Bill JERSEYDUDE 2012/08/02 23:51:35
    Bill
    I'm not a neocon, just a conservative who sees what needs to be done.
  • JERSEYDUDE Bill 2012/08/03 05:03:30 (edited)
    JERSEYDUDE
    oh yeah you most definitely are a neocon theres no doubt about that
  • akhippie JERSEYDUDE 2012/07/12 08:48:44
    akhippie
    +1
    You are a waste of time, you keep saying the same thing over and over but you offer no proof. And you are not God, you don't even know what he teaches. In the next life there will be no wrong..
  • JERSEYDUDE akhippie 2012/07/12 20:07:31
    JERSEYDUDE
    in the next life ill be sittin in heaven while your disgusting inhumane evil self will be rotting in hell
  • akhippie JERSEYDUDE 2012/07/17 08:36:00 (edited)
    akhippie
    +1
    May God have mercy on your pitiful soul.
  • JERSEYDUDE akhippie 2012/07/18 22:32:19
    JERSEYDUDE
    may God bring you and all like you to your death for the benefit of this Planet and everything on it !
  • Bill JERSEYDUDE 2012/08/01 19:49:30
    Bill
    I'll scorch it just before I die. Want fries with that?
  • akhippie JERSEYDUDE 2012/08/06 22:39:09
    akhippie
    Man youy need help, may God have mercy on your pitiful soul.
  • jere.ch... akhippie 2012/07/28 14:30:56
    jere.chievres
    A lie, Bin Laden had been at room temperature much longer than that.
  • cddjmikey 2012/07/01 18:31:47
    cddjmikey
    +1
    I bet if you were to sell chances to do it to him we could pay off the national debt !!
  • Sawdust... cddjmikey 2012/07/10 14:37:50 (edited)
    Sawdust_128
    +2
    Don't forget the pay-per-view.................... and I want the merchandising rights.

    Better than a damn stimulus.
  • cddjmikey Sawdust... 2012/07/10 16:18:22
    cddjmikey
    +1
    We could get mattel to make a Holder doll and then build a waterboarding model fountain ! When you turn it on the doll shakes about as the pump continuously pours water on him ! Maybe we could get them to make a whole line of political dolls that are interchangeable !! We would sell more then the Star Wars franchise !!!!
  • uguess 2012/07/01 13:06:26
  • intolerantrwj 2012/07/01 09:02:17
    intolerantrwj
    +4
    .... the truth could be had rather quickly if it was actually desired by Congress.

    Charge Barry with the crimes and let him drop the dime .... if there's a sudden rash of Dorothy Kilgallen, Florence Pritchett, Vince Foster and Ron Brown incidences, you know Holder was innocent ... of course assuming he's dangling
  • Scalded... intoler... 2012/07/02 22:15:57
    Scalded Eagle
    +2
    Right again, buddy.
  • Sophie 2012/07/01 06:14:30 (edited)
    Sophie
    +2
    I do think he can persuaded to tell the truth. Maybe spank the crap out of him. lol spanking
  • JCD aka... Sophie 2012/07/01 08:55:29
    JCD aka "biz"
    Issa clearly deserves to be spanked, I agree.
  • intoler... JCD aka... 2012/07/02 15:27:18
    intolerantrwj
    +1
    .... for what, ' Doing his job ' ?
  • JCD aka... intoler... 2012/07/02 21:21:55
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    Please follow Kaleokualoha's link to the Fortune investigation, three posts below.
  • intoler... JCD aka... 2012/07/05 17:32:24
    intolerantrwj
    .... okay, I'll do that
  • intoler... JCD aka... 2012/07/05 18:03:25 (edited)
    intolerantrwj
    .... I read and I'll tell you right now, it's BS .... if you've tried a ' Multiple Sale ' since Bill Clinton days you'd know why I say it's BS.

    " In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich." .... runs up a Red Flag at ATF while ATF agent is on phone with ATF ... ' Halt Sale ' .

    " By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. " .... another Red Flag ' Halt Sale '

    " Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others. " .... yet another Red Flag ' Halt Sale '


    Even more BS .....

    " They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked." .... all sales are prefaced with a phone call to ATF prior to transfer/sale ... the ATF issues a number for each sale and know all details of that sale ... especially Multiple Gun Sales

    " Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn." .... One part of this I buy, that being the ' Prosecutors ' ....










    .... I read and I'll tell you right now, it's BS .... if you've tried a ' Multiple Sale ' since Bill Clinton days you'd know why I say it's BS.

    " In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich." .... runs up a Red Flag at ATF while ATF agent is on phone with ATF ... ' Halt Sale '.

    " By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. " .... another Red Flag ' Halt Sale '

    " Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others. " ....yet another Red Flag ' Halt Sale '


    Even more BS .....

    " They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked." .... all sales are prefaced with a phone call to ATF prior to transfer/sale ... the ATF issues a number for each sale and know all details of that sale ... especially Multiple Gun Sales

    " Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn." .... One part of this I buy, that being the ' Prosecutors ' .. you know, the same Prosecutors who let the Black Panther intimidate voters in Philadelphia .... the ' Weak Laws ' statement is Total BS


    Something to keep in mind while reading the Fortune Magazine article ....

    " 7. How many gun laws are there ?

    This depends wholly on what state you are living in. Because of our federal system of government, each state has a different set of laws regarding firearms. Some are very restrictive, others are not. There are also federal laws that apply to all of us, particularly regarding what types of weapons one can purchase, who can sell guns, and who is allowed to buy them. However, according to gun authority Bruce B. Biggs, there are roughly twenty thousand gun control-laws in the United States. .... http://www.saf.org/default.as...

    You'll find info from Brooking's refuting the number of Gun Laws ... maybe we should ask Brooking's about how many Illegals are here, I'm sure that number is equally low.

    My friend, the point is, anyone who has purchased a gun since Bill Clinton days knows that you need a Driver License/Photo ID to purchase and virtually all info/incidents described by Agent Dave Voth in the Fortune Magazine article is Illegal by ATF Laws and for it to have taken place as we all know it did, the ATF or above had to Approve it.
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  • JCD aka... intoler... 2012/07/06 05:32:06
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    Thank you for your detailed answer.
  • JCD aka... Sophie 2012/07/06 05:35:38 (edited)
    JCD aka "biz"
    Spanking you husband for buying very ugly wallpaper is exactly what you shoud do.
  • mac9 2012/07/01 05:27:25
    mac9
    +2
    Never happen. And the liar in chief will continue to cover.
  • akhippie 2012/07/01 03:45:14
    akhippie
    Do to Sodaheads code of conduct I can not express how I really feel about holder his boss obama and the mess they are making of this country.
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/07/01 01:34:13
    Kaleokualoha
    +2
    You have been misled. A Fortune investigation reveals the truth: http://features.blogs.fortune...

    "The first duty of a man is the seeking after and the investigation of truth." - Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)
  • JCD aka... Kaleoku... 2012/07/01 08:41:51
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    I believe Right-Wingers will have problems reading the entire Fortune story (ADD).

    Or maybe they believe that Fortune is a Communist magazine.
  • JCD aka... JCD aka... 2012/07/01 08:54:20
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    The Fortune report clearly shows that the Issa crowd's "investigation" is helping criminals: "from 2010, when Congress began investigating, to 2011, gun seizures by Group VII and the ATF's three other groups in Phoenix dropped by more than 90%".
  • mach-1 BL-106 2012/07/01 01:08:30
    mach-1  BL-106
    +3
    Just think folks this is what we are reduced to having as the up holder of the law here in America... A liar...who is hold back the evidence that puts this adminstration up front in trying to make a case against gun ownwership.... What a awful man and and awful white house.
  • Lee mach-1 ... 2012/07/01 01:34:52
    Lee
    +2
    What a bunch of BS.

    There is no reason in the world why the Attorney General should turn over confidential information involving ongoing investigations to a bunch of nut jobs.

    That would be absurd.
  • mach-1 ... Lee 2012/07/01 01:55:06
    mach-1  BL-106
    +3
    LMBO Attorney General??????? Your kidding right? He is a liar ......He has lost all respect! It is a well know secret that it was a rue to gain and advantage over the American peoples guns... a chicago frame up.....Screw that sicking piece of dog doo....LMBO ...He works for us.... we want the answers....If the commander and thief can LEAK top military secrets to the world and make a kill list to publish it also, I think for the sake of dead border patrol he could drop the elitist act and give up the evidence.
  • Lee mach-1 ... 2012/07/01 01:58:22
    Lee
    +1
    He's lost all respect for what?

    lol

    And your "well known secret" is pure BS.

    Why are Right Wingers so gullible?

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