Rave this: If you think anything short of "Water Boarding" will ever get the truth out of Eric Holder.

I've read all of your points/questions and all I can say is that your concerns are completely unfounded. Your points are those of a wishful, wistful thinker who, if in charge of a country, would be immediately overrun.

What foreign policy could the U.S. and Kuwait provided Iraq's Saddam Hussein that would have prevented his invasion? NONE. Where were the pre-WWII Japanese to be found at the negotiating table while they were ruthlessly expanding THEIR Pacific empire? They may have negotiated to an extent but only as a prelude to Pearl Harbor. And the Germans? They negotiated with Chamberlain and what did it get him? War. What about Vietnam. We negotiated with them during the whole war but they used it as a stalling tactic. There was NEVER any intention to stop the war. Then, at the end, when we were pulling out, what did they do? The agreed to a tripartite government and when we were almost gone, the abrogated that treaty and overran the south.

You MUST know with whom you are dealing. If you think that talking nice to Saddam, Hitler, Tojo and Ho is going to bring about a new world order of peace and justice, you are wrong. History is manifestly against you and I do mean the entire earth's political and military history.

I'm not worried about others liking or loving us. I want to keep them in line. 9/11 happened because the terrorists didn't like our foreign policy and concerns for Israel.

Bin Laden said that peace with the U.S. could only be achieved if the U.S. stopped supporting Israel and converted to Islam. Not much room for negotiating there and how would one come to a compromise? That's insane and that insanity can only be stomped out by war and their destruction. Anything else is surrender. Have they stopped their terrorism? No. Only a promise of more. Well, there goes your peace table.

Remember when Obummer was running and he said that he would begin "no precondition" negotiations with Ahmadinejad - face to face? How did that work out? Zilch. Obummer knew it was a lie but people, such as you, were so anxious for "peace" that they lost sight of the objective: winning.

All of your points come to naught. Illusory and meaningless as the old saying, "If you take a penny and double the number of pennies each day, by the end of the month you will be a millionaire." The first few weeks are fine but it's the latter days you may have a hard time with.

In the real world, you will be defeated. Look at the U.N. What have they ever done to establish world peace? Absolutely nothing. What did they do in Iraq? Nothing. What did they do in Rwanda? Nothing except watch the Tutsi be slaughtered (about 800,000). So, there's your "peace" and your "what if's?" Naught.

.... I read and I'll tell you right now, it's BS .... if you've tried a ' Multiple Sale ' since Bill Clinton days you'd know why I say it's BS.

" In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich." .... runs up a Red Flag at ATF while ATF agent is on phone with ATF ... ' Halt Sale '.

" By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. " .... another Red Flag ' Halt Sale '

" Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others. " ....yet another Red Flag ' Halt Sale '


Even more BS .....

" They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked." .... all sales are prefaced with a phone call to ATF prior to transfer/sale ... the ATF issues a number for each sale and know all details of that sale ... especially Multiple Gun Sales

" Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn." .... One part of this I buy, that being the ' Prosecutors ' .. you know, the same Prosecutors who let the Black Panther intimidate voters in Philadelphia .... the ' Weak Laws ' statement is Total BS


Something to keep in mind while reading the Fortune Magazine article ....

" 7. How many gun laws are there ?

This depends wholly on what state you are living in. Because of our federal system of government, each state has a different set of laws regarding firearms. Some are very restrictive, others are not. There are also federal laws that apply to all of us, particularly regarding what types of weapons one can purchase, who can sell guns, and who is allowed to buy them. However, according to gun authority Bruce B. Biggs, there are roughly twenty thousand gun control-laws in the United States. .... http://www.saf.org/default.as...

You'll find info from Brooking's refuting the number of Gun Laws ... maybe we should ask Brooking's about how many Illegals are here, I'm sure that number is equally low.

My friend, the point is, anyone who has purchased a gun since Bill Clinton days knows that you need a Driver License/Photo ID to purchase and virtually all info/incidents described by Agent Dave Voth in the Fortune Magazine article is Illegal by ATF Laws and for it to have taken place as we all know it did, the ATF or above had to Approve it.