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Rave This: If you think all people living in America, (with few exceptions) should be required to pay U.S Government Income Taxes, whether they choose to work or not.

Scalded Eagle 2013/01/02 19:13:29
I think if everybody paid at least a minimum Income Tax, the American Debt would be greatly reduced. Stop asking the Prosperous Americans to carry the dead-beat system players.
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  • beachbum 2013/01/02 19:32:00
    beachbum
    +30
    Flat sales tax on everything (except groceries). That way EVERYONE pays - the more you spend, the more you pay.

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  • KaWa 2013/01/19 21:05:06
    KaWa
    Of course, except for those who are retired.
  • Charles R. Anderson 2013/01/19 20:19:44
    Charles R. Anderson
    People should pay for government similarly to how they pay for goods and services in the private sector. They should pay for the value of what they receive. Everyone should receive protection of their individual rights, so everyone should pay the same amount for much of the service. Protection of property rights is the one service that would scale with wealth, but that would scale only proportionally. So, there would be a head tax and say a 15% or less income tax. Of course, this would cause the people to push hard for a greatly scaled down government, since they would be paying their fair share!
  • David Hussey 2013/01/19 18:32:47
    David Hussey
    +1
    Nope, I think Jefferson had the right approach to taxation.

    "The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributi­ons of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his
    earnings."
    ~ Thomas Jefferson, 1811.
  • Haruko.Haruhara 2013/01/19 11:21:10
    Haruko.Haruhara
    Get rid of the illegals who are draining our money by the day and tar and feather obama.
  • Fariborz-Zak 2013/01/19 06:31:47
    Fariborz-Zak
    no RAVE, 1./. should not pay any TAX,because they r GODS
  • Ryan Thomas 2013/01/17 00:10:04
    Ryan Thomas
    +1
    The lower 50 percent of the population has only 13 percent of the income, and an even smaller share of the wealth. They still pay plenty of other taxes. I don't see this as being a good idea, as it would actively impinge on people's ability to survive (We argue about the taxes on people earning more than 250,000 (Now higher in the 400,000s of course) but at least for them their ability to eat and live isn't threatened by taxes. This would not generate much in the way of new revenue (Probably less than the slightly increased revenue from higher tax rates for upper income earners that is), as well as being regressive, actively hurting a very large group of people who simply can't afford it.

    It is also ironic that conservatives achieved on of their goals and now don't like it. Lower taxes for the population at large, people on the lower end don't pay as much in income taxes as they used to.... Though again, they pay other taxes such as payroll taxes, state taxes, sales taxes, property taxes ect ect.
  • Striker 2013/01/14 15:18:00
    Striker
    No rave for this. Why Support the Beast? Most folks don't have to file.
    Take an hour to study this and smarten up:

    http://no-ruler.net/378/stop-...
  • jtmekjian 2013/01/13 20:17:51 (edited)
    jtmekjian
    +8
    agreed. You benefit from public expenditures just as much, if not more, as the rich do.
  • Wesloco 2013/01/12 02:45:49
    Wesloco
    +1
    ...well I think the top 10% should pay more but the entire other 90% should pay one thing also and teheran Earned Income Credit EIC should be done away with!
  • wallpent 2013/01/10 16:24:28
    wallpent
    Yes,, The comment By Romney that 47% don't pay taxes has got everybody thinking that it is not fair..The Democratic party, since the war on poverty, has been increasing its base with persons not being taxed..I support a sales tax and increase in state gasoline tax that states could raise their own revenue..
  • kevjon wallpent 2013/01/11 02:19:57
    kevjon
    +2
    Raising the taxes on gas only raises the cost of living, not a smart idea.
  • Donna 2013/01/08 03:00:58 (edited)
    Donna
    +1
    Yes, if unemployment is taxed then welfare can be taxed too. If they can afford iPhones, new cars & fancy duds, they can afford to pay some taxes. I also think everyone should pay a flat tax.
  • plowboy 2013/01/07 13:45:38
    plowboy
    +1
    Numbers count so if everyone pays we raise the revenue big time. Government spending has to be curtailed or all the money in the world won't help.

    big government spending
  • ReneeWallace 2013/01/07 02:06:13 (edited)
    ReneeWallace
    +1
    Stop asking the low income people to pay taxes when the richest 1% are destroying unions and two thirds of new jobs created in the private sector in 2012 went to immigrants, largely very recent ones, and not U.S. citizens. U.S. inflation adjusted wages have actually fallen since 1974 despite the fact productivity per employee has increased 300% since 1974. The greedy richest 1% refuse to share productivity gains with the rest of us. It is time for another William Wallace, 13th century Scottish hero.

    U.S. executives earn 10 times as much as those in Europe and 20 times more than those in Japan so shut up you greedy rich buttheads and pay more taxes. The U.S. also has by far the greatest concentration of wealth of any developed nations with the richest 1% controlling two thirds of the wealth. The U.S. has feudalism, not capitalism.
  • Haruko.... ReneeWa... 2013/01/19 11:25:02 (edited)
  • RicardoCabeza 2013/01/07 00:28:43
    RicardoCabeza
    Hey!!!, I do not know if you have ever read the US Constitution but Govt. is supposed to be paid for with Tariffs exclusively. Taxing poor people will just create more property crime and create hardships for little people who were not fortunate enough to immigrate and take advantage of free education... not NO, BUT F*** NO!!!!
  • Revolution 2012 2013/01/06 23:29:05
    Revolution 2012
    +2
    "...whether they choose to work or not"

    It doesn't make sense to tax the unemployed, mostly because unemployed either have little or no money to pay the tax or they are on welfare (in which case the American public would be taxing its own spending, not to mention how it would make the welfare system far more useless than it already is). By taxing a people that can't ever pay for it what you are actually doing is creating a policy that allows the government to arrest and exploit the poorest of the poor through indebtedness. You should never loan money to bad spenders for the same reason you should never tax people with no money: It creates further debt and waste.
  • William Weber 2013/01/06 21:09:35
    William Weber
    +1
    Income tax is wrong, and should be abolished. When you work you're trading you labor for money, or in other words you are bartering your labor for money. It'd be like bartering your labor for a banana.
  • sbtbill William... 2013/01/06 21:17:39
    sbtbill
    I disagree that the income tax is wrong. What is wrong is that the employer has the right to set wages.
  • William... sbtbill 2013/01/06 21:20:13
    William Weber
    +2
    No, the employer is a private entity, if the worker doesn't like the wage, he can leave. Eventually when enough people leave then market demand will dictate that wages will go up.
  • sbtbill William... 2013/01/06 22:15:20
    sbtbill
    +1
    It would make more sense to Unionize. The greatest problem in the US today is the decline of Unions.
  • Scalded... William... 2013/01/06 22:40:47
    Scalded Eagle
    +1
    Right, the markets rules wages not Minimum Wage Mandates.
  • sbtbill Scalded... 2013/01/06 22:53:18
    sbtbill
    No market is free where one party has more power then the other. Thus the need for more union workers.
  • jtmekjian sbtbill 2013/01/13 20:22:20
    jtmekjian
    +9
    How is that wrong. In any kind of trade, both parties have a right to agree upon the price.
    Neither person force the other to accept a certain price.
  • Scalded... William... 2013/01/06 22:39:11
    Scalded Eagle
    +2
    That is so true, therefore the freeloaders are bartering their vote for money and they need to pay taxes on all of their income. Welfare, food stamps ect.
  • sbtbill Scalded... 2013/01/06 22:54:34
    sbtbill
    That would just mean we'd have to give them more.
  • Patriotic 2013/01/06 19:26:23
    Patriotic
    +1
    You can't tax a net zero income.
  • Ricardo... Patriotic 2013/01/07 00:30:23
    RicardoCabeza
    Sure you can, it has been done in many counties including the Soviet Union.
  • Patriotic Ricardo... 2013/01/07 00:35:39
  • Ricardo... Patriotic 2013/01/07 01:32:37 (edited)
    RicardoCabeza
    I would rather have you disagree with this preposterous idea... I think the average Human Body contains about $110.00 in various rare minerals... They will start with those once these kind of ideas takes hold.
  • Patriotic Ricardo... 2013/01/07 13:45:15
    Patriotic
    +2
    Weird...
  • Debra Smith 2013/01/06 17:52:46
  • dave b 2013/01/06 17:34:49
    dave b
    +2
    The majority of us dont mind paying some tax, but today its obvious that the taxpayers are being abused at the hands of a government who doesnt represent or even listen to us
    They tax upon tax upon tax and tax us more so they can literally waste our money and I'm certain that they know it and just dont give a damn about it.
  • sbtbill dave b 2013/01/06 21:20:40
    sbtbill
    I am sure there is some waste in every large organization public or private, but you righties are always shouting about government waste. How about being specific and pointing some out.

    I think my Senators and Representative do a reasonable job of representing me. That is why I voted for them.
  • dave b sbtbill 2013/01/06 23:00:55 (edited)
    dave b
    How about $500 million annually from MediCare which the Obama administration totally ignored. One half billion per year in waste, fraud and abuse.
    Hows that for one?

    Edit: I have to add that MediCare has been bleeding millions for years because its a government run program and isnt necessarily a product of one party or another, but I remember Barry talking about stopping it.
    Another one is welfare. The government's who administer welfare rarely do any follow up with the recipients or raise a red flag at generational welfare takers.
    Another one is SSDI....we have more than ever now. The government just makes it too easy to get taxpayer money without much to prevent the fraudulent claims.
    One more....unemployment insurance. If that isnt a government "gimme" I dont know what is.
  • sbtbill dave b 2013/01/07 01:04:47
    sbtbill
    So did the people of Florida when they elected medicare fraudster Rick Scott. Some of that fraud and abuse is just people trying to stay alive.

    Medicare is the best way to provide health care to Americans.

    You've never been on welfare or you would not say they don't get watched.

    New a medical provider who said the same thing till I asked him what should they do die. Since they would if they didn't get his services he had no answer.

    You and I have money deducted directly or indirectly from our checks for unemployment insurance. We are owed the benefits if that problem befalls us. It is no different from expecting a fire insurance company from paying up when there is a fire.
  • wolf 2013/01/06 17:08:00
    wolf
    +7
    u still get taxed if youre rich and sit on your ass, your ass-sets that accrue interest are still taxed, because it is income. so not choosing to work doesnt mean u dont pay taxes so my brain doesnt quite wrap around this rave
  • lm1b2 2013/01/06 17:06:23
    lm1b2
    No, legitimate Charity's,and Church s should not be reguired,nor should the poor.You noticed I said Legitimate!
  • Patrick Henry~PWCM~JL 2013/01/06 17:05:42
    Patrick Henry~PWCM~JL
    +1
    There should be a flat tax, like 12% or something. This "progressive" tax, REGRESSING us to the days of the USSR is just a political tool. The "make them pay their "fair share" and show them!" Is just base "get even with them-ism." It does not generate more revenue, it is proven to generate less. But then that makes it easier to come around and raise the tax rates more later on... To be "fair," and that is a subjective term, it should be the same across the board. EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW. What would be even better is to abolish the entire IRS-KGB system and have the states collect the money and give the general government what they think it needs!
  • sbtbill Patrick... 2013/01/06 21:16:34
    sbtbill
    Where is your proof that a graduated income tax collects more then a flat tax?

    The states should be abolished. People hardly know who their state representatives are. We are citizens of the US not of some administrative unit called a state.

    Ability to pay is the fairest and most efficient way of taxing. Why should someone who can't support themselves have to pay taxes? We'd just have to give the money back to them anyhow.
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