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angelbaby 2012/08/02 04:23:33
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  • Schläue~© 2012/08/02 04:51:57
    Schläue~©
    +46
    Exactly, NOBODY should be held to the mercy of some brain-dead Mayors or Governors acting like King Biscuit and dictating what businesses are allowed to operate within the city, county or state limits.

    Hopefully these idiots got a taste today, of what happens when you play games with the people and try to politicize a non issue. Holy backfire, Batman.
    Chick-fil-A Day kicked their butts and it will continue until they stop screeching.

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  • angelbaby kobidob... 2012/08/19 04:46:22
    angelbaby
    +1
    When did Jesus mind his peas, and ques?
  • kobidob... angelbaby 2012/08/19 22:58:42 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    All the time. The religions were not minding their peas, and Ques accusing him of bad at every opportunity, and asking questions intended to trip Jesus up. They called him Beelzebub too. Jesus went around doing good, but the religious people were definitely not minding their peas, and Ques. Accusers seeking to condemn will not mined their peas, and ques
  • angelbaby kobidob... 2012/08/19 23:39:53
    angelbaby
    He is the "Spoken Word Of God" ~ he was NOT silent.
  • kobidob... angelbaby 2012/08/20 00:06:01
    kobidobidog
    You should mind what he says. He speaks through me. He is not the accusatons that have been spoken.
  • angelbaby kobidob... 2012/08/20 02:03:58
    angelbaby
    He speaks through you? LOL!!! We have us a real wacko here folks ~
  • kobidob... angelbaby 2012/08/20 03:45:14 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    He needs to speak through whoever wants to be saved. People against the gay have Satan speaking through them like a sodomite wanting worse to happen to whoever. Sodomite speaking just like the Chick - Fil - A personnel;:KJV,Genesis 19, 9And they said,: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them.:Don't you know Scripture at all? Christ in us the hope of glory. Have him in you, and he will speak through you.
  • angelbaby kobidob... 2012/08/20 03:48:40
    angelbaby
    Are you saved? .
  • kobidob... angelbaby 2012/08/20 04:46:55 (edited)
    kobidobidog
    +1
    NO question about it. I have made enemies into friends. Proverbs 16 >>7When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
    King James Version
  • angelbaby kobidob... 2012/08/20 04:58:36
    angelbaby
    +1
    And to walk in all his ways with mercy and thanksgiving in your heart~.
  • kobidob... angelbaby 2012/08/20 05:37:54
    kobidobidog
    Indeed^^ they will seek to live peaceably with all men as far as it is possible, and think of others as being better than they are mind their own business working with their own hands even as the Lord commanded them to do.
  • Batou 2012/08/18 18:47:40
    Batou
    Mr. Cathy has a right to support hate groups and unequal treatment of individuals with whose "lifestyle choices" he disagrees, as well as oppose gays and lesbians having fundamental rights for pursuit of happiness same way a member of Westboro Baptist Church has a right to do all these things.
    .
    However, the public has a right to withdraw its support for the individuals and their businesses.

    This is not about freedom of speech. It's about insulating those who publicize their hateful viewpoints from financial consequences of their actions by those who agree with the views. If this was about freedom of speech there would be similar conservative groundswell of financial support for individuals with whose views they disagree.

    "After all, if freedom of speech means anything, it means a willingness to stand and let people say things with which we disagree, and which do weary us considerably."

    --Zechariah Chafee
  • Mtnsmith Batou 2012/08/18 22:17:53
    Mtnsmith
    +2
    I certainly agree that we should all "vote with our dollars."

    What bothers me is the one-sidedness of the outrage. For example, the mayor of Chicago comes out against Chik-fil-A, but welcomes Louis Farrakhan with open arms -- a man who espouses killing homosexuals and Jews, among others. Why does the public not withdraw support for the mayor? Mainly because the media et. al doesn't choose to whip them into a frenzy over the issue.

    Selective indignation based on political affiliation dulls the argument against "hate speech"...
  • Batou Mtnsmith 2012/08/19 20:35:18
    Batou
    I think anyone who wants to be outraged about Farrakhan volunteering Nation of Islam to help first Jewish mayor of Chicago to stem rising violent crime can make as much hay as they like about it, but that seems like a pretty misguided and counter-productive argument to make. Think public would much rather see hate groups helping communities and working with those who they hate rather than spreading animosity towards them.

    What concerns dulling argument against hate speech then I think it is true only for those who consider accusations of hypocrisy and other personal attacks on individuals making anti- hate speech arguments to be valid counterarguments to the anti- hate speech propositions being advanced. I do not.
  • Marty9957 Batou 2012/08/19 06:50:10
    Marty9957
    +1
    It's a view point, nothing hateful about it. They are not advocating violence towards gays.
  • Batou Marty9957 2012/08/19 19:52:07
    Batou
    It's a hateful viewpoint and is no different than the viewpoint that Westboro Baptist Church has, which is certainly a hate group even though they claim to oppose violence.

    Though FRC is certainly on the record in favor of enactment of sodomy laws, which completely invalidates your claim that they don't advocate violence towards gays.
  • Marty9957 Batou 2012/08/20 03:01:53
    Marty9957
    You're just putting your twisted interpretation of the situation out there in the hopes of limiting there 1st Amendment Rights. On your other point, since when is using the political process to enact laws considered advocating violence towards anyone?
  • Batou Marty9957 2012/08/20 06:30:09 (edited)
    Batou
    +1
    Limiting their First Amendment Rights??? No, I would gladly welcome if Dan Cathy went pretty much on every talk show and took out huge ads in every paper explaining in detail, which rights he thinks gays and lesbians should have. It's a shame he hasn't done that. I think everyone should know exactly where he and his business stand so that they can decide whether they want to financially support Mr. Cathy and his businesses.

    And unless you are ignorant of basic civics you should already know the answer to your question. Though if you are confused about how criminalization of being gay is advocacy of violence maybe you should familiarize yourself with how gays are treated in countries where being gay is a crime.
  • Marty9957 Batou 2012/08/21 22:16:43 (edited)
    Marty9957
    Exactly when did anyone say that being gay was criminal. The point about the law is that sodomy in unlawful. Nothing is said about consenting adults and what they engage in behind closed doors. The thing I don't see ever happening is Catholic Church weddings where gays are united in marriage in a church. Then again, we do have rebels even in our religion who might stray from the church teachings, As far as I'm concerned, they can have all legal rights granted a heterosexual married couple so long as they stop pushing all the wrong buttons and forcing their way of life down everyone's throat. I don't give a damn what they do in their own home.

    Btw: It's already been made pretty clear by the public that they support Mr Cathy and his business.
  • Batou Marty9957 2012/08/22 02:08:27
    Batou
    +1
    Anytime sodomy laws are passed being gay becomes a crime. And what consenting homosexual adults engage in behind closed doors is precisely what the sodomy laws make a crime. See Lawrence v. Texas.

    Considering that LGBTs have been gaining and not losing rights as well as getting more and more businesses to publicly support their campaign for equal rights reality seems to indicate otherwise. Mr Cathy couldn't even get all his branches to support his bigotted views.
  • Marty9957 Batou 2012/08/23 02:15:43
    Marty9957
    If what you say is so, then why haven't I read about the legal system forming up and going out and rounding up every person known to be gay. We all know they practice sodomy but it doesn't seem to be such a big deal or they would go out and round them up like cattle. As for the Cathy businesses, the people have been lined up for several days now showing their support. No big deal.
  • Batou Marty9957 2012/08/23 03:09:09
    Batou
    +1
    Because sodomy laws were struck down in Lawrence v. Texas. Though there are other reasons as well.

    Politicians who were against desegregation were popular at the time as well. That didn't last and neither will this.
  • Marty9957 Batou 2012/08/27 20:44:04
    Marty9957
    History will tell. Stay tuned.
  • kobidob... Batou 2012/08/20 03:51:59
    kobidobidog
    Then Westboro Baptist Church is choosing to die in Gods light. I wish it was not so, but Westboro Baptist Church and Chick - Fil - A is demanding it to be so.
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  • SJG 2012/08/18 11:51:56
    SJG
    +1
    Freedom of speech is not the issue. You have no understanding of the real issue.
  • angelbaby SJG 2012/08/18 11:55:16
    angelbaby
    What is the issue?
  • SJG angelbaby 2012/08/18 11:56:37
    SJG
    Spending his fortune to spew hate against gays behind the scene. Are you aware that he donates millions to hate groups?
  • angelbaby SJG 2012/08/18 11:57:45
    angelbaby
    I'm aware that he supports his beliefs ~ don't you stand by yours?
  • SJG angelbaby 2012/08/18 11:59:04
    SJG
    I don't support any beliefs that intentionally hurt other human beings, do you?
  • angelbaby SJG 2012/08/18 12:03:32
    angelbaby
    How does his supporting and expressing his personal beliefs "hurt" anyone? It is a Freedom Of Speech issue and the constitution backs him up!
  • SJG angelbaby 2012/08/18 12:29:16
    SJG
    You still don't understand. It's NOT a freedom of speech issue!

    First, my question to you was, do you support any belief that intentionally hurts other human beings? Why didn't you answer that question?

    Second, donating large amounts of money to groups that intentionally promote hatred toward any other group is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT a freedom of speech issue. Your picture tells me you are female. When the talaban stone women to death and continue to promote that type of hatred and talk about it openly, is that also acceptable freedom of speech which hurts no one? Do you promote stoning of women?
  • angelbaby SJG 2012/08/18 13:09:01 (edited)
    angelbaby
    I dont support any hate group and btw: I don't have to answer you at all ~ hate groups support violence and Mr Cathy does not support a hate/violent organization.
    We don't live in the mid-east .. This is America and i support freedom of speech unconditionally. Your views are a bit skewed. IT IS ABSOLUTELY FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND AMERICA AGREES WITH ME AND MR CATHY ~
  • angelbaby angelbaby 2012/08/18 13:15:05
    angelbaby
    They also stone homosexuals in the mid-east .. The Taliban is a terrorist group who oppose freedom of speech!
  • SJG angelbaby 2012/08/18 15:01:51
    SJG
    You are right, you do not have to answer any questions, just make unfounded accusations on SH. And you are clueless as to just what his donations are used for: Therefore, I see why you don't want to answer questions, you don't have reasonable answers! The only part of American that agrees with you is the intolerant part whose brains don't truly understand what he is doing, welcome to that society. If you can read, this may help your understanding somewhat, but then again that silly cowboy hat says a lot!

    It comes as no surprise to me that the recent debate over Chick-fil-A’s monetary support of anti-LGBT groups has become a rallying cry for free speech on the rabid-right side of the issue.

    It has become the calling card of the fringe/tea-party element to turn a legitimate issue of human rights violations into a freedom of speech or religion issue in order to coral the masses into regurgitating the chorus of support for Cathy and his religious views in spite of where the paper trail leads.

    What the public needs to realize is that the money Cathy donates to these hate groups does not go to support a local church, feeding the hungry or educating the poor. (although his company does support some groups which do) It eventually ends up in the hands of groups which support death squads...




























    You are right, you do not have to answer any questions, just make unfounded accusations on SH. And you are clueless as to just what his donations are used for: Therefore, I see why you don't want to answer questions, you don't have reasonable answers! The only part of American that agrees with you is the intolerant part whose brains don't truly understand what he is doing, welcome to that society. If you can read, this may help your understanding somewhat, but then again that silly cowboy hat says a lot!

    It comes as no surprise to me that the recent debate over Chick-fil-A’s monetary support of anti-LGBT groups has become a rallying cry for free speech on the rabid-right side of the issue.

    It has become the calling card of the fringe/tea-party element to turn a legitimate issue of human rights violations into a freedom of speech or religion issue in order to coral the masses into regurgitating the chorus of support for Cathy and his religious views in spite of where the paper trail leads.

    What the public needs to realize is that the money Cathy donates to these hate groups does not go to support a local church, feeding the hungry or educating the poor. (although his company does support some groups which do) It eventually ends up in the hands of groups which support death squads in Uganda that seek legal protection to seek out and arrest homosexuals with a possible death sentence for these individuals. (http://www.dailykos.com/stor...

    Most of the gays I know, have no issue with a corporate executive stating their religious or personal views on an issue. It may not make prefect business sense, but they too have a right to freely express their personal opinion. Where the concern comes in is when a corporation funnels money to groups which unequivocally state they hate a specific segment of the population and then hide behind religious indignation to justify an action that is clearly not biblical family values.

    Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council has said this about the LGBT community, “They are intolerant. They are hateful. They are vile. They are spiteful...pawns of the enemy.” Perkins has a long history of attacking gays and supporting radical legislation and tactics to stop the progression of equal rights and human rights. If this is worthy of religious support then God help us.

    The bottom line here is that the gay and lesbian community is a vital part of America. We are in your neighborhoods, a part of your communities and honest, hardworking citizens who ask for and deserve nothing less or more than to be treated with the same dignity and respect as other Americans.

    If you support Chick-fil-A you are not supporting their religious or personal rights to expression as their spin meisters and puppets would have you to believe, but you are supporting a radical agenda that will stop at nothing short of the eradication and silencing of a group of fellow citizens.

    Gays and lesbians have no qualms about people having personal opinions for or against our community. You are allowed to your personal opinion. However your personal views end when they promote death to fellow LGBT individuals because of their sexuality.

    So eat more chicken if you like, stand in line for their customer appreciation day and post references to free speech and religious tolerance on-line. Just understand this truth. Your monetary support of a sandwich with a pickle on it goes to support groups which promote the death of gays in Africa as well as hate speech in America. Secondly when you stand up for Dan Cathy’s right to support these groups you are aiding and abetting these actions and using the Bible to hide the true intent of the wicked actions of these hate-groups.

    There is much more to this story than chicken and personal freedom of expression. It involves death squads, persecution, manipulating the masses, using religious freedom to distort the truth and the wish to silence a whole community of individuals who wish you nothing but peace, love and understanding.

    Eat more chicken......I don't think so.


    The last few days have seen a cloud of controversy over Santa Barbara-bound Chick-fil-A. Although the fast food chain has been slated to move in at an upper State Street address since fall 2011, national media coverage of the company president’s antigay remarks last month (and resulting protests of the restaurants) transformed a routine franchise opening into front-page news. Currently the debate is over Chick-fil-A’s Dan Cathy, his freedom of speech. However, his ability to make comments in the news is not being questioned. In fact, before you purchase a chicken sandwich from this incoming franchise, it is important to know what your dollars support.

    Company president Dan Cathy received a lot of press recently for his remarks on gay marriage. But his stance on the treatment of gays and lesbians goes much further than their freedom to marry. Chick-fil-A’s foundation, WinShape, has donated an estimated $5 million to antigay organizations and certified hate groups. In 2010 alone, Chick-fil-A donated nearly $2 million to antigay organizations including Exodus International, an agency that promotes damaging gay-conversion (to straight) efforts and has supported campaigns like Uganda’s legislative proposal to execute gay citizens.

    David Selberg, executive director of Pacific Pride Foundation, affirms that “welcoming Chick-fil-A, or businesses like it, into our Santa Barbara community does not make our town safer or healthier. Chick-fil-A, led by president Dan Cathy, brings a track record of hate to our bright town and we at the LGBT center don’t take that lightly.”

    The Santa Barbara Equality Project at Pacific Pride Foundation stands firmly opposed to businesses that promote and/or support hate groups. While Dan Cathy’s personal opinions are his to be had, it is also the right of his customers to know where their dollars are headed. Most franchises pay an average of 8 to 10 percent to their corporate umbrella. But not Chick-fil-A. With this company, 15 percent of a franchise restaurant’s sales and 50 percent of its pretax profit goes back to its corporate offices in Georgia. So before you spend $6.15 on a Cool Wrap Combo meal at the new State Street location, know that most of that money will leave Santa Barbara and go straight to corporate—and to Cathy’s extreme agenda.

    Chick-fil-A comes to Santa Barbara amid a national uproar over corporate dollars supporting hate. At a recent City of Santa Barbara Architectural Board of Review meeting, three individuals exercised their right to abstain from a vote on the local plans. They took a momentary pause in the midst of an unusually chaotic storm of public concern over the franchise. And as is stands, the reviews nevertheless moved forward and the chain will open as planned.

    As Chick-fil-A makes its way to our town, the Santa Barbara Equality Project and our coalition partners encourage the public to combat president Dan Cathy’s hate practices with something he understands most: money. Simply put, don’t choose to eat at Chick-fil-A. Exercise your freedom of expression by encouraging your friends and neighbors to spend their dollars at a different restaurant. Show corporations like Chick-fil-A that our town does not support hate and let’s see that State Street location close quickly.
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  • angelbaby SJG 2012/08/18 15:10:00 (edited)
    angelbaby
    The only reason why you think my answers are unreasonable is because they are in direct opposition of yours .. The Uganda lie has been debunked ~ go check it out!
    I proudly stand with CFA and Mr Cathy on this issue .
    I thank God Almight for blessing me with the freedom to express such without fear of being stoned to death.
    Santa Barbara lives to a different drum beat and that's
    Ok with me.
  • SJG angelbaby 2012/08/18 18:47:00
    SJG
    Not because they are in direct opposition of mine, just because they are absurd since you don't understand the underlying facts.
  • angelbaby SJG 2012/08/19 03:28:49
    angelbaby
    Those are your facts which happen to be only your opinion ~
  • Mtnsmith SJG 2012/08/18 22:07:16
    Mtnsmith
    +1
    I've heard that, but the only groups I know of that he supports are related to kids -- a summer camp for underprivileged kids, foster homes, college scholarships for restaurant staff -- what exactly are these hate groups?
  • SJG Mtnsmith 2012/08/19 03:07:06
    SJG
    Never mind, you are hopeless, goodbye.
  • Mtnsmith SJG 2012/08/19 03:25:02
    Mtnsmith
    +1
    Excuse me? That's your answer to a request for information?

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