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KCurtis 2012/07/02 12:08:30
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  • JL 2012/07/02 13:11:00
    You betcha!
    JL
    +23
    THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE EVER...OH, WAIT, IT'S A PENALTY.....HELL YES....TAKE THIS NIGHTMARE AWAY!!!

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  • Deb Blueskies 2012/07/04 16:11:17
    Deb
    Shoot, it's not even money, it's a "note" something I learned when I was a teen :)
  • konalimu susan 2012/07/04 04:44:56
    konalimu
    +1
    You are so very correct.

    Further, a state has no right to print money to cover the deficits, and no authority to cut medicare to fund the health care they wanted. In obamacare, there is a $500 billion medicare cut to fund the obamacare. This way, CBO was able to scored a "revenue nutral" bill. In reality, the medicare cut was double counted by DHHS. The Mass health care bill cost the citizens of state over $17 billions last year alone, and the debt is relentless and growing due to increased coverages for illegals.
  • susan konalimu 2012/07/04 12:53:45 (edited)
    susan
    +2
    Absolutely. Anyone who works for a living is screwed.
  • Charles E 2012/07/03 19:57:58
    You betcha!
    Charles E
    +3
    I support Romney because he is promising to repeal Obamacare. I really don't think he will do it.

    And Romney is promoting "repeal and replace". Why would anyone want to replace a huge disaster with anything? Repeal and move on toward Constitutional government.
  • Blueskies Charles E 2012/07/03 20:47:03
    Blueskies
    You mean return to 1974 ?
  • joser 2012/07/03 19:32:57
    You betcha!
    joser
    +5
    I want Obamacare destroyed but you're all very ignorant to think Romney is to be the person to shift things. His strings are being pulled by the exact same shadow goverment that pulls Obamas. These people will say whatever they feel is needed to get to where they want! If we want results the world needs to literally stand up at once and march to the front of the white house, pentagon, supreme court, ect.... And demand real change in the name of the people proposed by the people enforced for the better of the people.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/07/03 19:28:59
    No I want to pay through the nose so we can all have less.
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    NOT ENOUGHT CHOICES.

    If you have a health care plan it doesn't affect you.
  • jimmy d Lady Wh... 2012/07/03 20:19:46
    jimmy d
    +3
    LIE: Sept. 12, 2008: Speaking in Dover, New Hampshire candidate Obama said:
    “I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”
    LIE: Feb. 24, 2009: In an address to a joint session of Congress President Obama restated the promise in forceful terms:
    “If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.”
    April 15, 2009: During a White House press briefing, spokesman Robert Gibbs was asked if Obama’s tax pledge applied “to the health care bill.” Gibbs replied:
    “The statement didn’t come with caveats.”
  • jimmy d Lady Wh... 2012/07/03 20:23:03
    jimmy d
    +3
    You are wrong:

    The first, and best known, of these seven taxes that will hit all Americans as a result of Obamacare is the Individual Mandate Tax (no longer concealed as a penalty). This provision will require a couple to pay the higher of a base tax of $1,360 per year, or 2.5% of adjusted growth income starting with lower base tax and rising to this level by 2016. Individuals will see a base tax of $695 and families a base tax of $2,085 per year by 2016.
    Next up is the Medicine Cabinet Tax that took effect in 2011. This tax prohibits reimbursement of expenses for over-the-counter medicine, with the lone exception of insulin, from an employee’s pre-tax dollar funded Health Saving Account (HSA), Flexible Spending Account (FSA) or Health Reimbursement Account (HRA). This provision hurts middle class earners particularly hard since they earn enough to actually pay federal taxes, but not enough to make this restriction negligible.
    The Flexible Spending Account (FSA) Cap, which will begin in 2013, is perhaps the most hurtful provision to the middle class. This part of the law imposes a cap of $2,500 per year (which is now unlimited) on the amount of pre-tax dollars that could be deposited into these accounts. Why is this particularly hurtful to the middle class? It is because f...



    You are wrong:

    The first, and best known, of these seven taxes that will hit all Americans as a result of Obamacare is the Individual Mandate Tax (no longer concealed as a penalty). This provision will require a couple to pay the higher of a base tax of $1,360 per year, or 2.5% of adjusted growth income starting with lower base tax and rising to this level by 2016. Individuals will see a base tax of $695 and families a base tax of $2,085 per year by 2016.
    Next up is the Medicine Cabinet Tax that took effect in 2011. This tax prohibits reimbursement of expenses for over-the-counter medicine, with the lone exception of insulin, from an employee’s pre-tax dollar funded Health Saving Account (HSA), Flexible Spending Account (FSA) or Health Reimbursement Account (HRA). This provision hurts middle class earners particularly hard since they earn enough to actually pay federal taxes, but not enough to make this restriction negligible.
    The Flexible Spending Account (FSA) Cap, which will begin in 2013, is perhaps the most hurtful provision to the middle class. This part of the law imposes a cap of $2,500 per year (which is now unlimited) on the amount of pre-tax dollars that could be deposited into these accounts. Why is this particularly hurtful to the middle class? It is because funds in these accounts may be used to pay for special needs education for special needs children in the United States. Tuition rates for this type of special education can easily exceed $14,000 per year and the use of pre-tax dollars has helped many middle income families.
    Another direct hit to the middle class is the Medical Itemized Deduction Hurdle which is currently 7.5% of adjusted gross income. This is the hurdle that must be met before medical expenses over that hurdle can be taken as a deduction on federal income taxes. Obamacare raises this hurdle to 10% of adjusted gross income beginning in 2013. Consider the middle class family with $80,000 of adjusted gross income and $8,000 of medical expenses. Currently, that family can get some relief from being able to take a $2,000 deduction (7.5% X $80,000 = $6,000; $8,000 –$6,000 = $2,000). An increase to 10% would eliminate the deduction in this example and if that family was paying a 25% federal tax rate, the real cost of that lost deduction would be $500.
    The fifth new tax on the middle class, and all Americans, is the Health Savings Account (HSA) Withdrawal Tax Hike. This provision increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10% currently to 20% beginning in 2013. This provision actually sets these accounts apart from Investment Retirement Accounts (IRAs) and other tax advantaged accounts, all of which remain with a 10% early withdrawal tax.
    Another regressive tax that is part of this law began in 2010 and that is the Indoor Tanning Services Tax, which places a 10% excise tax on people using tanning salons. While some may regard this as insignificant, the broader implication is that this act of taxation is a blatant move by the federal government to control the behavior of citizens. This provision, as does the Individual Mandate and as Justice Kennedy said during the oral arguments on the constitutionality of the law said, “….fundamentally changes the relationship between the federal government and the citizen.”
    The seventh new tax that directly impacts the middle class, along with all citizens, is the Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans or the “Cadillac” Health Insurance Plan Tax. These are plans that provide extensive coverage and that are generally fully paid for, or largely paid for, by employers. This provision imposes a 40% excise tax on the employer-paid premium on taxpayers who are covered by such plans, beginning in 2018. The reason it begins in 2018 is because most unionized workers are covered by plans that fall under this definition and a deferral was made to spare union members from this tax for at least a period of time.
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  • Ozzyboy jimmy d 2012/07/03 21:04:07
    Ozzyboy
    +3
    Very well laid out jimmy d. The tanning tax is, well, literally, a tax on white people. Let's just think about this one......
  • Ozzyboy Lady Wh... 2012/07/03 21:00:07
    Ozzyboy
    +3
    You are clueless if you really think you won't be affected. Employers have already said that it will be cheaper to pay a fine than to pay for your health care. the will kick you off the insurance program and you will have to get your own. You will be affected in ways you can't even dream of. How about that panel of 18 appointed by 0 who will make your medical decisions for you?
  • konalimu Lady Wh... 2012/07/04 04:55:15
    konalimu
    +1
    You are wrong!

    Due to numerous exemptions implanted in the 2700 pages, the true effect is yet to be determined.

    But one could be sure that corporate loopholes are there, and once obamacare takes full effects in 2014, corporation would rather pay the exemption fee and let the employees find the health insurance from the state medicaid exchange program. It would be so much cheaper for them.

    Don't you just love obama??? He collected the highest contributions from large corporations than any other president in history, bad mouthing them in the day to day talking points, but secretly do the dirty biddings for the evil corporations that you guys love to hate:)
  • konalimu Lady Wh... 2012/07/04 04:56:42
    konalimu
    +1
    You are wrong, stop spread rumors!
  • drdos1943 2012/07/03 19:18:03
    You betcha!
    drdos1943
    +3
    Not enough choices.

    There are some things in the 2700 page ACA law that are good. They would take up about 50 pages.

    Unfortunately, to implement the ACA will bankrupt the country (check the stats from the CBO)
  • Marianne ☮ 2012/07/03 19:13:02
    No I want to pay through the nose so we can all have less.
    Marianne ☮
    +4
    If you have the attention span, I suggest you'd read this whole thing.

    What people call “Obamacare” is actually the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. However, people were calling it “Obamacare” before everyone even hammered out what it would be. It’s a term mostly used by people who don’t like the PPaACA, and it’s become popularized in part because PPaACA is a really long and awkward name, even when you turn it into an acronym like that.
    Anyway, the PPaACA made a bunch of new rules regarding health care, with the purpose of making health care more affordable for everyone. Opponents of the PPaACA, on the other hand, feel that the rules it makes take away too many freedoms and force people (both individuals and businesses) to do things they shouldn’t have to.
    So what does it do? Well, here is everything, in the order of when it goes into effect (because some of it happens later than other parts of it):

    Already in effect:

    *It allows the Food and Drug Administration to approve more generic drugs (making for more competition in the market to drive down prices)
    *It increases the rebates on drugs people get through Medicare (so drugs cost less)
    *It establishes a non-profit group, that the government doesn’t directly control, to study different kinds of treatments to see...

































































    If you have the attention span, I suggest you'd read this whole thing.

    What people call “Obamacare” is actually the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. However, people were calling it “Obamacare” before everyone even hammered out what it would be. It’s a term mostly used by people who don’t like the PPaACA, and it’s become popularized in part because PPaACA is a really long and awkward name, even when you turn it into an acronym like that.
    Anyway, the PPaACA made a bunch of new rules regarding health care, with the purpose of making health care more affordable for everyone. Opponents of the PPaACA, on the other hand, feel that the rules it makes take away too many freedoms and force people (both individuals and businesses) to do things they shouldn’t have to.
    So what does it do? Well, here is everything, in the order of when it goes into effect (because some of it happens later than other parts of it):

    Already in effect:

    *It allows the Food and Drug Administration to approve more generic drugs (making for more competition in the market to drive down prices)
    *It increases the rebates on drugs people get through Medicare (so drugs cost less)
    *It establishes a non-profit group, that the government doesn’t directly control, to study different kinds of treatments to see what works better and is the best use of money.
    *It makes chain restaurants like McDonalds display how many calories are in all of their foods, so people can have an easier time making choices to eat healthy.
    *It makes a “high-risk pool” for people with pre-existing conditions. Basically, this is a way to slowly ease into getting rid of “pre-existing conditions” altogether. For now, people who already have health issues that would be considered “pre-existing conditions” can still get insurance, but at different rates than people without them.
    *It renews some old policies, and calls for the appointment of various positions.
    *It creates a new 10% tax on indoor tanning booths.
    *It says that health insurance companies can no longer tell customers that they won’t get any more coverage because they have hit a “lifetime limit”. Basically, if someone has paid for life insurance, that company can’t tell that person that he’s used that insurance too much throughout his life so they won’t cover him any more. They can’t do this for lifetime spending, and they’re limited in how much they can do this for yearly spending.
    *Kids can continue to be covered by their parents’ health insurance until they’re 26.
    *No more “pre-existing conditions” for kids under the age of 19.
    *Insurers have less ability to change the amount customers have to pay for their plans.
    *People in a “Medicare Gap” get a rebate to make up for the extra money they would otherwise have to spend.
    *Insurers can’t just drop customers once they get sick.
    *Insurers have to tell customers what they’re spending money on. (Instead of just “administrative fee”, they have to be more specific).
    *Insurers need to have an appeals process for when they turn down a claim, so customers have some manner of recourse other than a lawsuit when they’re turned down.
    *New ways to stop fraud are created.
    *Medicare extends to smaller hospitals.
    *Medicare patients with chronic illnesses must be monitored more thoroughly.
    *Reduces the costs for some companies that handle benefits for the elderly.
    *A new website is made to give people insurance and health information.
    *A credit program is made that will make it easier for business to invest in new ways to treat illness.
    *A limit is placed on just how much of a percentage of the money an insurer makes can be profit, to make sure they’re not price-gouging customers.
    *A limit is placed on what type of insurance accounts can be used to pay for over-the-counter drugs without a prescription. Basically, your insurer isn’t paying for the Aspirin you bought for that hangover.
    *Employers need to list the benefits they provided to employees on their tax forms.

    8/1/2012:
    Any health plans sold after this date must provide preventative care (mammograms, colonoscopies, etc.) without requiring any sort of co-pay or charge.

    1/1/2013:
    If you make over $200,000 a year, your taxes go up a tiny bit (0.9%)

    1/1/2014:
    [[This is when a lot of the really big changes happen.]]

    ****No more “pre-existing conditions”. At all. People will be charged the same regardless of their medical history.
    *If you can afford insurance but do not get it, you will be charged a fee. This is the “mandate” that people are talking about. Basically, it’s a trade-off for the “pre-existing conditions” bit, saying that since insurers now have to cover you regardless of what you have, you can’t just wait to buy insurance until you get sick. Otherwise no one would buy insurance until they needed it. You can opt not to get insurance, but you’ll have to pay the fee instead, unless of course you’re not buying insurance because you just can’t afford it.
    *Insurer’s now can’t do annual spending caps. Their customers can get as much health care in a given year as they need.
    *Make it so more poor people can get Medicare by making the low-income cut-off higher.
    *Small businesses get some tax credits for two years.
    *Businesses with over 50 employees must offer health insurance to full-time employees, or pay a penalty.
    *Limits how high of an annual deductible insurers can charge customers.
    *Cut some Medicare spending
    *Place a $2500 limit on tax-free spending on FSAs (accounts for medical spending). *Basically, people using these accounts now have to pay taxes on any money over $2500 they put into them.
    *Establish health insurance exchanges and rebates for the lower-class, basically making it so poor people can get some medical coverage.
    *Congress and Congressional staff will only be offered the same insurance offered to people in the insurance exchanges, rather than Federal Insurance. Basically, we won’t be footing their health care bills any more than any other American citizen.
    *A new tax on pharmaceutical companies.
    *A new tax on the purchase of medical devices.
    *A new tax on insurance companies based on their market share. Basically, the more of the market they control, the more they’ll get taxed.
    The amount you can deduct from your taxes for medical expenses increases.

    1/1/2015:
    ******Doctors’ pay will be determined by the quality of their care, not how many people they treat.*******

    1/1/2017:
    *If any state can come up with their own plan, one which gives citizens the same level of care at the same price as the PPaACA, they can ask the Secretary of Health and Human *Resources for permission to do their plan instead of the PPaACA. So if they can get the same results without, say, the mandate, they can be allowed to do so. Vermont, for example, has expressed a desire to just go straight to single-payer (in simple terms, everyone is covered, and medical expenses are paid by taxpayers).

    2018:
    *All health care plans must now cover preventative care (not just the new ones).
    *A new tax on “Cadillac” health care plans (more expensive plans for rich people who want fancier coverage).

    2020:
    The elimination of the “Medicare gap”


    Aaaaand that’s it right there!

    The biggest thing opponents of the bill have against it is the mandate. They claim that it forces people to buy insurance, and forcing people to buy something in unconstitutional. Personally, I take the opposite view, as it’s not telling people to buy a specific thing, just to have a specific type of thing, just like a part of the money we pay in taxes pays for the police and firemen who protect us, this would have us paying to ensure doctors can treat us for illness and injury.

    Plus, as previously mentioned, it’s necessary if you’re doing away with “pre-existing conditions” because otherwise no one would get insurance until they needed to use it, which defeats the purpose of insurance.
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  • KCurtis Marianne ☮ 2012/07/03 19:16:40
    KCurtis
    +10
    And the result was Private Health Insurance costs have already risen by 27%. Most employers are considering dropping their employee's coverage due to spiraling costs and by the time Obamacare is 50% implemented Medical Personnel will be at an all time shortage.

    Any other stupid ideas?
  • jimmy d KCurtis 2012/07/03 20:24:12
    jimmy d
    +5
    My premiums jumped about 18% on Jan 1 2012!
  • drdos1943 Marianne ☮ 2012/07/03 19:21:39 (edited)
    drdos1943
    +8
    All you say is correct, except for the cost. Implementing the ACA, according to the CBO, will bankrupt the country... and our country is already on the verge of bankruptcy. Wake up!

    Justice Robert's decision has created a precedent that Congress can now tax us for anything that they wish to force us to do against our will. If we do not do it, we could be taxed.... and take note...the next Congress after 2012 may be dominated by Republicans.

    For example, If Congress decides that the the Chevy Volt is the automobile that every American should have; and if you do not buy one for your next car, you could be taxed $30,000 by the IRS in your next tax bill.

    That may be an extreme example, but that is exactly what could happen (with any product we buy, including health care) and will be Constitutionally allowed to happen by the Justice's decision.

    This is not something that is partisan; and objections should be forthcoming from both conservatives and liberals alike. However, liberals are so elated in their winning on the ACA issue, that they cannot see what it entails down the road for all of us, including them.

    The tyranny of a strong central government, which our founding fathers feared, is now upon us all.
  • mightym... drdos1943 2012/07/04 21:48:47
    mightymouse49
    +1
    ..yes.
  • Charles E Marianne ☮ 2012/07/03 20:01:49
    Charles E
    +3
    It reduces medical costs with new taxes on insurance premiums and medical appliances such as replacement joints, pacemakers and artificial limbs. And the taxes start in 2013 while most of the alleged benefits start in 2014.
  • jimmy d Marianne ☮ 2012/07/03 20:28:47
    jimmy d
    +6
    My question to you is WHAT IS IN THE TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE OTHER PAGES?
  • snafu2 jimmy d 2012/07/04 01:55:23
    snafu2
    +2
    We'll soon find out if ZeroBummer is re-elected!
  • Marek jimmy d 2012/07/06 18:35:56 (edited)
    Marek
    +1
    Good question!
    I tried to download the obamacare bill and all I got was some 900 pages so what is in the pages I could not download?
    My guess, it contains items that had nothing to do with health care for people. According to a repeublican representative it has money for obama's "civilian security force." Anybody recall the nazi SS and gestapo? They started as a civilian storm troopers. At the very least it unleashes these ...
    republican warns about civilian security being part of obama care
  • Bob Marianne ☮ 2012/07/03 23:38:49
  • Barbara... Marianne ☮ 2012/07/04 22:05:14
    Barbara Hasler
    +1
    If you believe that the government can run it cheaper than the private sector, think again. The first 10 years of the health care mess is projected to cost over one and a half trillion dollars. Where is that money coming from? It wil included hundreds of thousands of more public sector employees to "manage" it. Where is that money going to come from? If you think your premiums are high now just wait. Even with the private sector's higher premiums you still got the healthcare you needed. With the mess, your premium costs will necessarily rise and your care will be rationed by a committee in DC that has no medical experience. The older you get the less care you will get. Fortunately it can and will be repealed.
  • Grandpa Barbara... 2012/07/05 18:25:29
    Grandpa
    +1
    IS there Any one out there that can name just one goverment agency or dept. that operates in the black ,and is not bankrupt ???????? We don't need another health care system Just fix what we had >> Stop the corruption and monitor its use and jail the crooks >>>> Pretty hard as most running this country are crooks >> Look at GSA and that is just the tip of the iceberg >>>>> Vote wise in 2012
  • Barbara... Grandpa 2012/07/05 19:26:00
    Barbara Hasler
    +1
    You are correct, Grandpa! I was told by a lib that the government being deeply in debt was no big deal. With that attitude, the sooner we can kick the whole motley crew out the better.
  • Arya 2012/07/03 19:06:05
    You betcha!
    Arya
  • Charles E Arya 2012/07/03 20:15:09
    Charles E
    +5
    Excellent graphic and accurate description.
  • Arya Charles E 2012/07/04 00:47:00
    Arya
    +2
    Thank you very much Charles. (-:
  • Myopinionmatters 2012/07/03 18:45:50
    You betcha!
    Myopinionmatters
    +5
    NOBAMA! NOBAMACARE!
  • Herman 2012/07/03 18:37:05
    No I want to pay through the nose so we can all have less.
    Herman
    +4
    I assure you that Romney is owned by the same group of treasonous bastards that own 0bama and the Supreme Courts, Romney if elected will come up with an excuse as to why 0bamacare can't be dismantled and you idiots will believe it, just like the other idiots bought all of 0bama's pre-election lies AKA campaign promises.

    I'd be LMAO right now at your ignorance if it wasn't so serious.
  • konalimu Herman 2012/07/04 05:04:59
    konalimu
    Repub in senate has been talking about repeal it now, before the election! That sends a cold shiver down the spines of Dems facing Nov re-election.

    There is a tsunomi of discontent with this bill. If elected, Romney will have no choice but to repeal it.
  • Herman konalimu 2012/07/05 13:55:46
    Herman
    Once elected Romney will do the same thing 0bama did after elected and go back on his promises. The Repubs in the Senate don't have the votes to do squat.
  • konalimu Herman 2012/07/05 14:12:40 (edited)
    konalimu
    Senate will see RED after Nov 6th, and we have more than 51 votes as it stand currently.
  • Herman konalimu 2012/07/05 14:16:37
    Herman
    Sure just like they did in 2010.

    Just how did that work out for you? By gaining control of only Congress they got nothing and plenty of it.
  • konalimu Herman 2012/07/05 16:16:16
    konalimu
    And your point was??? Drop dead?
  • Herman konalimu 2012/07/05 17:23:03
    Herman
    Please do.
  • konalimu Herman 2012/07/05 20:49:35
    konalimu
    +1
    "Tolerant Dem at your best", NOT!!!
    See you one Nov 7th, dare you not change your user ID:)
  • Grandpa 2012/07/03 17:53:02
    You betcha!
    Grandpa
    +6
    Roberts sold us out >. Thomas with killing the unborn >>. Roberts killing the elderly >> Question :: Who and what gave him the right to rewrite the bill so it would pass ???? And why were the changes not voted on or approved by congress and the Senate after the changes ???? When was the right to rewrite the bill given to the supreme Court ???? I thought theyre job was to make sure it honored the Consitution, not rewrite bills >.. Vote wise in 2012

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