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Rave If You Think Money Spent on Bombs and Bullets Should Be Spent On Food, Shelter, and Education For The Poor.

Che Guevara - Hero 2012/07/11 12:42:56
YES, Money Spent on Bombs and Bullets Should Be Spent On Food, Shelter, and Education For The Poor.
YES, Money Spent on Bombs and Bullets Should Be Spent On Food, Shelter, and Education For The Poor.
YES, Money Spent on Bombs and Bullets Should Be Spent On Food, Shelter, and Education For The Poor.
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  • C-ZAR™, Emperor of the PHÆT 2012/07/11 13:29:05
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    C-ZAR™, Emperor of the PHÆT
    +22
    There's a line from an old 2Pac song: "We have Money for War, but can't feed the Poor"--damn right I think so, doesn't mean our war-mongering Government will do it, because HELPING folks would be socialism, lol

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  • beavith1 Che Gue... 2012/07/11 19:02:10
    beavith1
    +3
    no. they are real. quite real...
  • Che Gue... beavith1 2012/07/11 19:08:57
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +1
    Then you should get a refund. You seem like an educated person.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Che Gue... 2012/07/12 02:43:53
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    REPORT: TAX RATES UNDER OBAMA LOWER THAN ANY PRESIDENT IN MODERN HISTORY
    http://www.classwarfareexists...

    do a poll on this
  • beavith1 Che Gue... 2012/07/18 22:39:31
    beavith1
    i was going to do a military career, but not having 20/20 vision ended that.

    then life got in the way.

    (shrug)

    one of life's paths not taken...
  • bleep Che Gue... 2012/07/14 08:08:59
    bleep
    yes lets get some.
  • Samantha beavith1 2012/07/11 23:14:22
    Samantha
    +3
    Since I post facts and you reject them, you're wrong.
  • beavith1 Samantha 2012/07/18 22:39:58 (edited)
    beavith1
    LOL!!!!

    hoo boy.

    i gotta give you a rave for that one.

    (sniff)
  • Sissy beavith1 2012/07/14 15:27:42
    Sissy
    +1
    The thing is beav, I have found throughout my pretty lengthy life that when it comes to common sense, thoughtfulness, integrity, honesty and fairness, you don't need to have a boatload of degrees. In fact some of the most undereducated people I've ever known never graduated from high school. But in the degrees of life, they've aced it. They've just had to work a lot harder, longer and made do with a lot less.
  • beavith1 Sissy 2012/07/18 22:45:10
    beavith1
    there are bright people out there without degrees. i agree 100%. i enjoy speaking with them.

    i used to work with Portuguese emigres in the late 1980s/early 1990s. bright men. i learned quite a bit from them.

    getting that piece of paper, though, improves the chance of opportunities. it doesn't guarantee them.
  • Samantha beavith1 2012/07/18 22:39:47
    Samantha
    So you claim.
  • beavith1 Samantha 2012/07/22 23:12:14 (edited)
    beavith1
    you inferred from the fact that you disgreed with me. i just stated the facts...

    i can go to your profile and note that you are young and inexperienced. it doesn't make you ignorant. that's up to you to consider as you mature.

    'if you aren't young and liberal, you don't have a heart. if you aren't old and conservative, you don't have a brain.'

    you're early on the curve...
  • Always ... Che Gue... 2012/07/11 23:36:36
    Always Right
    +1
    Isn't Wall Street the one percenters and from your numbers they do extremely well under liberal presidents, maybe the OWS have a point!
  • Bilingu... john Kills 2012/07/11 13:52:43 (edited)
    Bilingual required sucks
    +4
    "Richest country in the world?? We are 15.5 trillion past broke and getting deeper in debt by the day."

    Whose fault is that? Dubya and his stupid wars that's who. Go blame him and feed, clothe and shelter the needy. They shouldn't have to suffer because of his stupidity.
  • Lady Wh... Bilingu... 2012/07/11 14:02:12
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    agreed
  • Samantha john Kills 2012/07/11 14:16:37
    Samantha
    +5
    This is the richest country in the world and corporations are sitting on billions of dollars. Where are the jobs conservatives claim will be created if only, if only we gave more tax breaks to the 1%?
  • Sissy Samantha 2012/07/11 16:52:30
    Sissy
    +3
    I have wondered that forever.
  • Bilingu... Samantha 2012/07/11 16:58:24
    Bilingual required sucks
    Tax breaks do not equal jobs, there is no such thing as a "job creator". These are standard fare on the very long menu of Republican lies.
  • Samantha Bilingu... 2012/07/11 17:18:26
    Samantha
    +1
    I agree that tax breaks don't equal jobs; in fact, history proves job creation is greatest when tax rates on the wealthy are high.
  • bleep Samantha 2012/07/14 08:13:57
    bleep
    i'm sorry obama gave our fortune on a silver platter to the 1 percenters for there wrong doing. the banks
  • bleep Samantha 2012/07/19 23:37:02
    bleep
    The problem is now you have to pay to work. And if you don't make a profit. You lose all that. Insurance you paid for. Its all registrations, insurances, fines, fees, mandatory endorsements, regulations, osha's etc etc. That is what is stopping the investment of america. All demacratic bs. All that crap is not needed.
  • Keeping It Real 2012/07/11 13:17:44
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    Keeping It Real
    +5
    The president spoke this week about using half of the money previously allocated for the Iraq war here in our country. I'm sure food, shelter and education for those in need will benefit from those funds, while the could be used to pay down the deficit.
  • Sissy 2012/07/11 12:56:26
    YES, Money Spent on Bombs and Bullets Should Be Spent On Food, Shelter, and E...
    Sissy
    +7
    With not a bit of doubt. But then that's just the Liberal part of me coming out.
  • beavith1 Sissy 2012/07/11 13:53:58
    beavith1
    +3
    the problem is that he's 'spending' money that he has elsewhere shown to be 'saving'.

    with 46M on food stamps, i'm not sure how many more he can feed. i have no idea what housing is like these days. we already spend far more on education than anyone else, with our mediocre results. clearly, money is not the issue.

    just saying.

    i'd tell KIR that, directly, but he blocked me last night for answering a question.
  • Samantha Sissy 2012/07/11 14:00:40 (edited)
    Samantha
    +2
    What's truly sad is the strange silence of the Left's anti-war movement since Obama became president. All this despite the fact Obama has continued several of Bush's war policies and, in the case of drones, has greatly expanded it. We cannot only be anti-war when a Republican is president and, in our history, the use of military power against democratic movements in other countries, including overthrowing democratically elected governments, has occurred during both Democratic and Republican presidents.

    The bottom line is the United States is the most militaristic western democracy, and the consequences for millions of people, including Americans, has been devastating. Yes, we hear almost daily about the loss of American lives in Iraq and Afghanistan; however, that number is small compared to the thousands and thousands of Iraqis, including women and children, who have died. In Afghanistan, the U.S. military apparently doesn't like wedding parties.

    Opposing war and militarism means that voicing opposition to war or opposition to increased military spending isn't enough; it requires us to oppose every single aspect of militarism including ending military access to young people in high schools, prohibiting the U.S. military from using sporting events to promote the war/mili...















    What's truly sad is the strange silence of the Left's anti-war movement since Obama became president. All this despite the fact Obama has continued several of Bush's war policies and, in the case of drones, has greatly expanded it. We cannot only be anti-war when a Republican is president and, in our history, the use of military power against democratic movements in other countries, including overthrowing democratically elected governments, has occurred during both Democratic and Republican presidents.

    The bottom line is the United States is the most militaristic western democracy, and the consequences for millions of people, including Americans, has been devastating. Yes, we hear almost daily about the loss of American lives in Iraq and Afghanistan; however, that number is small compared to the thousands and thousands of Iraqis, including women and children, who have died. In Afghanistan, the U.S. military apparently doesn't like wedding parties.

    Opposing war and militarism means that voicing opposition to war or opposition to increased military spending isn't enough; it requires us to oppose every single aspect of militarism including ending military access to young people in high schools, prohibiting the U.S. military from using sporting events to promote the war/militarism agenda, and demanding accountability for the billions of dollars wasted by the military establishment.

    Most importantly, whenever a president authorizes the use of troops or the invasion of a sovereign nation, we cannot be opposed to those actions at the beginning and, then, once war begins suddenly fall into the "Support The Troops" mentality that makes us accomplices to militarism and, in so many cases involving the U.S. military, war crimes.

    From a very early age, I was taught war has never solved anything and wars most frequently contribute to new wars. There's a militaristic, simplistic piece of American propaganda, most frequently used by conservatives, related to how wars have supposedly ended slavery, communism, etc. However, like so many things one hears from conservatives, it's largely a lie. For example:

    The Civil War didn't end slavery because, even with the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment, conservatives in the Southern states created, via Jim Crow laws passed after the early termination of Reconstruction, societal/economic slavery for African Americans that resulted in harassment, threats, terrorism against African Americans in the form of the KKK and lynching.

    The Spanish American war was, perhaps, American imperialism at its worst; it resulted in the deaths of Filipinos by the thousands. One of the alleged American "heroes" of that war, Theodore Roosevelt, was in several ways a racist and used the "Imperial Cruise" to send a message to the Japanese, primarily that they were the "Aryans" of the Far East and that they had a right to expansion.

    World War I led directly to World War II. Although the U.S. didn't enter the war until 1917, Americans seem to think the U.S. "won" that war all by itself. I suppose it's an indication of American ignorance. After the war, the reparations imposed against Germany created severe economic crises that resulted in the rise of fascism in Germany and, worse, created extremist nationalism. The end result was the slaughter of innocents in German concentration/death camps and World War II. While, today, virtually all emphasis on German concentration/death camps focuses on the death of Jews, millions more died in those camps and are largely ignored by history. The end of World War II was the commission of the ultimate war crime, namely the use of atomic weapons against innocent human beings. If one believes in God, one cannot in any way justify the use of such weapons and, in the end, those responsible for authorizing the bombings as well as those Americans who justified it including those who do so today, will have to attempt justifying those actions.

    World War II led directly to the Cold War. Truman's authorization of the bombings had nothing to do with ending the war; the Japanese had already made peace overtures via the Russians. Truman used these awful weapons to send some crude, irrational, hateful message to the Russians and, in the process, sacrificed the lives of innocent Japanese. The Cold War gave excuses to American leaders to practice the worst types of imperialism including, as I have mentioned numerous times, the overthrow of democratically elected government, oppression of leftist movements around the world and at home, spying on Americans, and numerous other atrocities all in the name of national security.

    The end of Cold War should have resulted in a reduction of the military budget and a peace dividend. However, American military leaders began searching for new "enemies." The national security state was expanded including illegal spying on American citizens and a greater worldwide expansion of the U.S. military. It's a never ending cycle of violence, wasted money and greater militarism in every corner of American life. The consequences are loss of individual freedom and a false belief, among millions of Americans, that we are required, in some form, to have pride in a military. In my opinion, one cannot support militarism and support freedom at the same time.

    My message to the "anti-war" Left is simple. Either you oppose war or you don't. Be consistent. If you marched/protested against Bush's war policies, why aren't you protesting against Obama who has, as I mentioned, continued many of Bush's war policies and, in the case of drones, greatly expanded military actions? I've protested against Obama's policies, where have you been? Reading Daily Kos or supporting Moveon.org isn't enough.
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  • Sissy Samantha 2012/07/11 16:48:46
    Sissy
    +2
    I agree that it is sad that the anti-war rhetoric was silent during the run-up to the war in Iraq. Had there been a draft, there is no doubt that this war of choice would have also been taken to the streets like it was nearly 50 years ago. It makes you wonder if idealism, ever existed in the first place. The Viet Nam conflict came out of my generation and I have to regretfully believe, that had it also been just the regular and reserve forces called up at that time, the idealism and call for justice would have been muted then as well.

    I used to also naively wonder how there could be so much angst against this country from thoughout the world? Afterall, look at how much aid and protection we have expended since WWII? A bit of maturing and travelling in desolate parts of Africa and into the jungles and rainforests (or what's left of them) in Asia has certainly given me many answers.

    The bottom line is that regardless of who is in political power in this country, first and foremost our interests are always taken first regardless of the consequences. We will support and coddle despots of nations that brutalize their people to get at their resources, we will dethrone duly elected leaders (like we did in Iran in 1958) to plant a "friend" as its head, and we will turn the other way at a dictatorship if we can keep ships in their harbor.

    No one is innocent and we have taken many grave consequences as the result.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/07/11 12:55:29
    All Of The Above
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +7
    We should spend more money on Education Food and Shelter for Everyone
    There is no Excuse why anyone in America should go hungry
    We need to stop trying to be the worlds police force and focus on our own problems
    and fix our country and make her stronger than ever before
    America liberty eagle
  • Sissy ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/07/11 12:57:11
  • Lady Wh... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/07/11 14:02:49
    Lady Whitewolf
    SO agree!
  • MidnightCowboy 2012/07/11 12:45:51
    YES, Money Spent on Bombs and Bullets Should Be Spent On Food, Shelter, and E...
    MidnightCowboy
    +6
    Bravo!

    post of the day
  • Che Gue... Midnigh... 2012/07/11 12:47:41
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +6
    Thank you ! :-)
  • Samantha Che Gue... 2012/07/11 13:28:11
    Samantha
    +5
    You're created the 'Discussion For The Year' because, at some point, we must scale back the bloated U.S. military and the militarism that is one of its most damaging consequences.
  • Lady Wh... Che Gue... 2012/07/11 14:03:28
    Lady Whitewolf
    GREAT post, Che!

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