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Che Guevara - Hero 2012/08/25 21:39:58
YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
YES, Even If His Offshore Accounts Hurt Him He Should Do The Right Thing
Yes, If He Doesn't Release The Documents It Makes Him Look Crooked.
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Rave If You Think Mitt Romney Should Release ALL Of His Tax Returns AND Long Form Birth Certificate

Romney’s tax returns reveal breaks for the rich

Mitt Romney’s tax returns have stirred up a lot of interest recently, because he refuses to let the public see more than two year’s worth.

Unless you believe the unsupported charge by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, that Romney’s returns would reveal that he paid no taxes, we likely already know much about his tax situation.

What we can learn from Romney’s tax return is proof of what the well-known author F. Scott Fitzgerald once wrote: “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me.”

The very rich are different because they pay less of their income in taxes than do most average wage earners.

It is probably perfectly legal. High-income people are able to take advantage of provisions of the tax law that are simply not usable by most average taxpayers.

Why? In part, their tax advantages stem from their ability to spend on lobbyists who try to influence what tax laws are adopted. Also, some members of Congress believe that investments by the wealthy create jobs, so they should be encouraged to put their money to work rather than paying it to the government.

Romney took advantage of only a few of the possible ways of cutting his tax liability. A vast majority of people might readily conclude that there is no chance they could use them.

It starts with capital gains. If you make an investment and later sell it, any gain that you make on the value of the investment is taxed at 15 percent. That is much less than the 35 percent you might pay if the gain were taxed like wages.

Any capital loss can be used to cancel gains.

The purpose of this federal tax break is to encourage people to invest, because they get to keep more of the profit. It is unclear if investing is really affected by this tax break.
Some states, including Maine, do not offer such a tax break. Investment gains are taxed at the same rates as wages.

For certain large investments, the taxpayer is allowed to treat income that is really a payment for services as if it were a capital gain, even after the investment itself has been repaid to the investor. It’s called “carried interest.”

Much of Romney’s $22.8 million income in 2011 got that special tax treatment. That may have saved him an added $2 million in taxes. He paid $3.2 million.

Another way to reduce taxes is to make large charitable contributions. When they are deducted from income, the remaining income may be taxed at a lower rate.

Often wealthier taxpayers, including Romney, make some of their charitable gifts in the form of corporate stock. They get a deduction for the current value of the stock, even if they originally bought it for much less.

In 2011, Romney made $4 million in gifts, paying more to charity than to the tax collector, which few can do. Most of his contributions went to the Mormon Church, of which he is a member.

More Romney tax returns would most likely reveal that he had used the same tax preferences in earlier years. That’s why we probably already know much about his tax situation without seeing his returns.

The income tax system is supposed to be “progressive,” meaning that lower income people pay at lower rates than the wealthy. To some extent that is true, because many lower income people pay no income tax. For example, a family of four with income less than $26,400 pays no federal income tax.

However, middle-income taxpayers, who get little if any capital gains breaks or cannot make large charitable gifts, are likely to pay at a higher rate than people like Romney.

When Congress gets back to cutting the federal deficit, it will have to deal with the expiring Bush-era tax cuts. And the main issue will be how to treat the wealthiest taxpayers.

One way to increase federal revenues, with the added money used to reduce the deficit, would be to end the tax cuts for the wealthiest.

Or some of the preferences, like carried interest, which can be used only by the most wealthy, could be eliminated.

Yet another way of raising revenues through the tax code could be to allow all breaks to continue but to put a dollar cap on their use.

The lesson we need to learn from Romney is not that he is rich, but that he legitimately benefits from a tax system that needs to be fixed. He could probably help himself a lot politically if he advocated some reforms affecting his own taxes.

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  • **StarzAbove** 2012/08/25 21:44:23
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    **StarzAbove**
    +23
    Yes he needs to release those tax returns. If he doesn't trust the American people to see what he's been hiding, why should the American people ever trust him?

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  • art1ej 2012/11/14 09:38:49
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    art1ej
    YES..about time..
  • TheOther 2012/10/27 22:52:19
  • bob 2012/09/11 17:36:04
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    bob
    +3
    Romney is just a crook and everybody knows it, the right wing nuts cover the ears, eyes so they can't see or hear the truth
  • 2468 2012/09/04 14:41:06
  • sally 2012/09/03 02:25:20
    All Of The Above
    sally
    +2
    How else will he gain the American trust?
  • William 2012/08/30 19:16:20
    All Of The Above
    William
    +2
    Sure. It's only fair.
  • Guru Casper BN-ZERO 2012/08/27 22:23:16
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    Guru Casper BN-ZERO
  • Transquesta 2012/08/27 16:45:30
  • teachaman 2012/08/27 15:30:58
    Yes, If He Doesn't Release The Documents It Makes Him Look Crooked.
    teachaman
    +2
    when, and ONLY when, Mr. Obama releases ALL of his college transcripts ... Mr. Obama's continued hiding of this information makes absolutely clear he is not only a crook, but also has something deeply dangerous to his presidency to hide therein ... once Mr. Obama releases his college papers, thereby revealing his student status and funding sources, Mr. Romney should do same ... as long as Mr. Obama refuses to release this info, Mr. Romney is exactly and well within his rights to release the legal minimum - which he has already done, by the way
  • Che Gue... teachaman 2012/08/27 21:38:42
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +5
    It is not just liberals who want to see Romney's tax returns.
    It is 63% of American voters who do.

    The longer Mr. Romney delays, the more suspicious it appears.

    Obama released 8 years of tax returns
    GW Bush 10 years
    Clinton 12 years
    GHW Bush 14 years
    George Romney 12 years.

    What is there to hide?
    Release the tax returns, Mr. Romney.
  • teachaman Che Gue... 2012/08/27 21:49:54
    teachaman
    what's to hide in mr. Obama's college papers? ...
  • Che Gue... teachaman 2012/08/27 23:09:36 (edited)
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +5
    Where are the Tax Returns ? Why is Mitt Romney Spending Millions of dollars with a team of lawyers to hide his Tax Returns ? Mitt Romney's Father was born in Mexico. According to the Tea Party he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

    Romney tax returns
  • meme14 teachaman 2012/09/11 22:04:30
    meme14
    +1
    http://www.factcheck.org/2012...

    Colleges don't release records for any president - FactCheck has been over that issue a million times - read it
  • teachaman meme14 2012/09/12 14:09:07
    teachaman
    coleges - no ... that's a FERPA thing ... individuals - yes ... that's a job application thing ... the truth is we gave this guy the most important job in the world without even looking at his resume or checking his qualifications ... as to WHY that happened, well, you can make that call ... I do extensive reseach into the backgrounds of folks and pore over transcripts and resumes to ensure that the people we hire are fit for the job as instructors ... why aren't we allowed to even SEE transcripts of the guy we put into the Oval Office?
  • meme14 teachaman 2012/09/12 22:13:44
    meme14
    +1
    You do realize that Romney hasn't released his grades from Stanford, BYU or Harvard
  • teachaman meme14 2012/09/13 04:13:15
    teachaman
    http://search.yahoo.com/r/_yl...


    here's a link I just found from Yahoo ... didn't look at them though, as I m quite certain where Governor Romney's funding for college came from ... Mr. Obama, on the other hand, remains a question on that issue
  • meme14 teachaman 2012/09/13 21:59:18
    meme14
    +1
    those aren't actual transcripts - and no other president has been asked or has been expected to release his transcripts...tax returns? They alllll release tax returns
  • Che Gue... teachaman 2012/09/14 22:38:29
    Che Guevara - Hero
    Still waiting.

    Where are the Tax Returns ? Why is Mitt Romney Spending Millions of dollars with a team of lawyers to hide his Tax Returns ? Mitt Romney's Father was born in Mexico. According to the Tea Party he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

    Romney tax returns
  • Butch 2012/08/27 04:42:43
    All Of The Above
    Butch
    MY ANSWER IS SAID TONGUE IN CHEEK. In other words I am mocking obama! Macking fun of him as it were.
  • ktorch 2012/08/27 03:05:39
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    ktorch
    +1
    DO it Mitt or I'm gonna sic 23 more wives your way! I'm sure at least one of them will get things done and done right. We want the truth.
  • CAptain... ktorch 2012/08/30 04:00:13
    CAptain Morgan
    +2


    these two clowns need to join the circus.
  • A Lionheart 2012/08/27 02:13:02
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    A Lionheart
  • gidianedwards97 2012/08/27 00:59:19
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    gidianedwards97
  • joe mauro 2012/08/26 23:28:37
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    joe mauro
    +2
    obama too
  • Patent1 joe mauro 2012/08/26 23:44:10
    Patent1
    +3
    The prez has released 8 yrs of tax returns. Romney's turn. He hasn't even released 1 complete return. He left off the form that discloses offshore bank accounts.
  • dandieselonian 2012/08/26 23:23:33
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    dandieselonian
    +3
    he was born in mexico
  • David 2012/08/26 21:18:02
    Yes, If He Doesn't Release The Documents It Makes Him Look Crooked.
    David
    +5
    But then again if he did, he would prove it!
  • fudge35 2012/08/26 21:12:58
  • Butterfly 2012/08/26 20:56:57
    YES, Mitt Romney Should Stop Hiding the Truth and Release The Documents
    Butterfly
    +1
    What a dumb thread; the ONLY OPTIONS are to villify Mr. Romney. He is the most honest, and knd person. He does a lot of volunterrism work. He gave away all of his inheritance, and put that into his Dad's foundation for , MINORITY'S AND DISADVANTAGED CHILDREN. Disgusting thread. All the options, are to brain wash you to think he is a crook. Actually, that would be obama , who has been on the corrupt list since 2006!
  • Che Gue... Butterfly 2012/08/26 22:25:03 (edited)
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +5
    Stop Whining and post Mitt Romney's Long Form Birth Certificate and past 10 Tax returns.
    romney crook
  • solidco... Che Gue... 2012/10/27 15:46:04
    solidconservative
    Hey, the Che Guevara lover. How come you use a guy picture that murdered so many people? Do you support the open killing of those of which you disagree?
  • phoenix... Butterfly 2012/08/26 22:37:12
    phoenix AFCL
    +2
    I'm with you, Judy, about the choices on this goofy post. I say Romney should give Obama anything he wants the second BO releases his college applications, essays, passport records from the eighties and a legitimate long form birth certificate. Oh.,.. and when BO clears up that bit of confusion about the Conn. social security # (s). Sounds like a fair trade to me.

    I almost choked when BO mentioned that Romney should be willing to release more than two yrs of tax returns in the interest of transparancy. After all, a President's past life should be an open book, he said. Yeah, right. You mean for every President but yourself, BO.

    Your sealed records can't bear the light of day, otherwise, why hide them?
  • Patent1 phoenix... 2012/08/26 23:53:21
    Patent1
    +2
    The prez released 8 yrs of tax returns. Romney's turn. As far as the birther crap is concerned, there have been over 115 lawsuits on that, and they all have been laughed out of court in minutes. In the last one, in Georgia, no one from the Obama administration bothered to show up, and it was still thrown out in minutes. Deal with it. Be a Mensch. The prez was born in Hawaii.
  • phoenix... Patent1 2012/08/27 01:21:37
    phoenix AFCL
    The cases were dismissed because people who were bringing the suits didn't have legal standing in the eyes of the court. That is NOT the same as 'being laughed out of court in minutes'.

    The reasoning for insisting on Romney's tax returns "he must be hiding something" is the same reasoning for insisting on BO's college entrance application and records... "he must be hiding something" don'tcha think?
  • Patent1 phoenix... 2012/08/27 03:14:07
    Patent1
    +1
    So 115 lawyers like Orly Taint did not know how to bring a lawsuit with proper standing or jurisdiction? Not believeable. And the prez, and previous presidents, have released numerous years of returns, Romney should do the same. He hasn't even released 1 complete return. He left out the form that discloses offshore bank accounts.
  • CAptain... Butterfly 2012/08/26 22:53:43 (edited)
    CAptain Morgan
    +3
    Meanwhile on mars

    romney tax mars
  • Patent1 Butterfly 2012/08/26 23:46:15
  • wtf Butterfly 2012/08/27 14:34:52
    wtf
    You are wasting your time with Che, he is a hate monger and will do this kind of thing to anyone that does not agree with him 100%.

    Not to mention that he is not required to do this at this point anyway.
  • Che Gue... wtf 2012/08/27 21:39:12
    Che Guevara - Hero
    +1
    It is not just liberals who want to see Romney's tax returns.
    It is 63% of American voters who do.

    The longer Mr. Romney delays, the more suspicious it appears.

    Obama released 8 years of tax returns
    GW Bush 10 years
    Clinton 12 years
    GHW Bush 14 years
    George Romney 12 years.

    What is there to hide?
    Release the tax returns, Mr. Romney.
  • wtf Che Gue... 2012/08/28 11:58:35
    wtf
    There is nothing to hide he has released what he is required by law to release at this point. If he is required by law to release more then I am sure he will

    I would not release to anyone more information about me than I would legally be required to release and neither would you.
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