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Conservative attorney (and former Bush Solicitor General) Ted Olson showed Fox News Sunday’s Chris Wallace why he was successful in arguing for a federal ruling that toppled California Prop 8 same-sex ban. Wallace threw every talking point at Olson, but Olson never wavered in his assertion that a strict conservative interpretation of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights requires that same-sex marriages be allowed. Some highlights:

OLSON: We do not put the Bill of Rights to a vote … We ask judges to make sure that when we vote for something, we’re not depriving minorities of their Constitutional rights ... It’s not judicial activism when judges do what the Constitution requires them to do and they follow the precedent of previous decisions of the Supreme Court.

... If seven million Californians were to decide that we should have separate but equal schools or that we would send some of our citizens to separate drinking fountains or have them be in the back of the bus - that would be unconstitutional.

... Well, would you like your right to free speech? Would you like Fox’s right to free press put up to a vote and say well, if five states approved it, let’s wait till the other 45 states do? These are fundament constitutional rights. The Bill of Rights guarantees Fox News and you, Chris Wallace, the right to speak.

… Marriage is a conservative value.

At the end, even Wallace had to admit defeat: “Mr. Olson, we want to thank you so much for joining us today. We’ll keep following your lawsuit. And I gotta say, after your appearance today, I don’t understand how you ever lost a case in the Supreme Court, sir.”



Are Same-Sex Marriages Really a Conservative Value?
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  • jesusf*ckingchrist™ 2010/08/09 19:10:23
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    jesusf*ckingchrist™
    +13
    Oh noes! The conservatives are having their right to trample other people's rights trampled.

    Oh, the humanity.

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  • farkoff 2010/08/10 00:41:37
  • Reinhold 2010/08/10 00:41:13
  • Rick 2010/08/10 00:39:54 (edited)
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    Rick
    Ted is a Washington insider elitist NeoCon, not a real conservative. Disregarding his moral relativism, I view this as a Federalist issue -- specifically where in the does the Constitution stipulate this to the federal government? Since I can't find it in the articles or Bill of Rights as Washington's responsibility, I would assume it is, then, within the purview of the states. H-m-m-m ... didn't I read somewhere 7 million voters in CA just rejected same sex marriage -- at least twice!

    edit: typo
  • cutter's falls 2010/08/10 00:18:15
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    cutter's falls
    +1
    why not a 3rd box,
    I'm tired of this topic.
    lets talk guns
  • Clarissa the Porcelain Liberal 2010/08/09 23:47:47
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    Clarissa the Porcelain Liberal
    +1
    Ted Olson... Thank you!
  • Carol 2010/08/09 23:13:59
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    Carol
    +1
    Marriage is a contract between two people.
  • keliffa 2010/08/09 22:57:14
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    keliffa
    MARRIAGE IS ALREADY EQUAL,YOU PUTZ. YOU WANT TO CHANGE WHAT IT MEANS FOR EVERYONE WHICH IS NOT AN EQUAL RIGHTS ISSUE.
  • NoName keliffa 2010/08/10 00:13:38
    NoName
    +1
    "MARRIAGE IS ALREADY EQUAL,YOU PUTZ
    "

    As long as gay marriage isn't legalized, that will be seen as untrue in the eyes of many.
  • keliffa NoName 2010/08/10 10:33:49
    keliffa
    Bigamists feel the same way.
  • Ringer 2010/08/09 22:41:08
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    Ringer
    +1
    I find the civil rights comparison particularly repugnant. It's a dark time in American history and to trot it out in front of America just to advance your agenda is inexcusable.
  • rightside 2010/08/09 22:26:08
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    rightside
    +1
    Next, we will give rights for people to marry anything they want. We will have to deal with PETA defending animals in divorce court.
  • mal 2010/08/09 22:14:17
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    mal
    +1
    The theme song of the left is" Do The Twist" by some unknown individual with forsight.
  • WankerBait 2010/08/09 21:48:23
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    WankerBait
    +2
    I can't really say that same sex marriage is "conservative", but the argument that anti-gay sentiment is conservatives is absolutely false. I don't believe that conservatism is traditionally associated with bigotry and hatred and the recent takeover of the conservative paradigm by Theo-Fascists, bigots and anti-USA lunatics posing as patriots is a bastardization of what mainstream conservatism has been in the USA.
  • jesusf*... WankerBait 2010/08/09 22:36:48 (edited)
    jesusf*ckingchrist™
    They're louder and fewer of them understand the implications of what they support, but they haven't *suddenly* changed from what they were.

    Google this: "Lee Atwater Nigger, Nigger". Lee Atwater, again, is the guy who advised Reagan, got Bush Sr. elected and mentored Karl Rove.
  • WankerBait jesusf*... 2010/08/09 22:48:07
    WankerBait
    +1
    Oh, I fully understand the "progression" of the regressive right into the Theo-Fascist loving, freedom hating party of totalitarianism. The neocons, TEA Parties, Christian Right, etc., are not true conservatives. They are extremists!
  • jesusf*... WankerBait 2010/08/09 22:54:17
    jesusf*ckingchrist™
    LOL, just making sure, I see you were trying to be fair, but at this point, even being fair is a stretch with these people.
  • WankerBait jesusf*... 2010/08/09 22:59:53
    WankerBait
    +1
    I don't think they are capable of being fair and/or equatable. As GW said,
    " your either with us (them) or against us (them)"....

    - peace!
  • Lerro DeHazel 2010/08/09 21:35:21 (edited)
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    Lerro DeHazel
    +1
    I had to check NO to avoid the YES selection; which makes no sense, anyway. There are some very strange choices here. Both irrelevant. Chris admitted later that he let this clown get the best of him, by basically, leading him on from question-to-question. Adjectives “Conservative attorney and former Bush Solicitor General” don’t really belong in this at all. Also, I’m not so sure that Barney Fife couldn’t have been “successful in arguing for a federal ruling that toppled California Prop 8 same-sex etc. whatever” . . . “They” had already stated in their parades and political gatherings that “everything would already be set up ahead of time as what was accomplished in the Political Texas VS Sodomy, etc., that was politically manipulated earlier.” [I think 5-years ago.] I was not allowed to ask any questions because Chris Wallace and Company DO HAVE Freedom of Speech; I don’t. I would have surely asked him; “Since when did attorneys decide that the definition of the word MARRIAGE had anything to do with Race Laws from the 1950s? After all, Race issues are just that; so you don’t have any authority to take away from RACE and CIVIL RIGHTS. Sexual gender; whether God-given or man-chosen is NEITHER a RACE, NOR a SKIN COLOR. All the money in the world is not going to get me to lie ab...
    I had to check NO to avoid the YES selection; which makes no sense, anyway. There are some very strange choices here. Both irrelevant. Chris admitted later that he let this clown get the best of him, by basically, leading him on from question-to-question. Adjectives “Conservative attorney and former Bush Solicitor General” don’t really belong in this at all. Also, I’m not so sure that Barney Fife couldn’t have been “successful in arguing for a federal ruling that toppled California Prop 8 same-sex etc. whatever” . . . “They” had already stated in their parades and political gatherings that “everything would already be set up ahead of time as what was accomplished in the Political Texas VS Sodomy, etc., that was politically manipulated earlier.” [I think 5-years ago.] I was not allowed to ask any questions because Chris Wallace and Company DO HAVE Freedom of Speech; I don’t. I would have surely asked him; “Since when did attorneys decide that the definition of the word MARRIAGE had anything to do with Race Laws from the 1950s? After all, Race issues are just that; so you don’t have any authority to take away from RACE and CIVIL RIGHTS. Sexual gender; whether God-given or man-chosen is NEITHER a RACE, NOR a SKIN COLOR. All the money in the world is not going to get me to lie about that as you have, counselor!” But then, again, I don’t have Freedom of Speech here in the United States on National-wide Television. It is not really meaningful of anything; however, it is a drop in the ocean. So be it.
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  • Red Branch 2010/08/09 21:26:54
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    Red Branch
    +1
    What happened to the picture of Olson giving the finger?
  • RawRsaurus 2010/08/09 20:49:06
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    RawRsaurus
    +4
    This guy makes a great case. Gay marriage has evolved into a religious and morality issue. The Founding Fathers supported separating government and religion. It's no secret most conservative politicians reject gay marriage because it goes against their religious beliefs. Hell, the liberals of today are even guilty of it!

    The point is, you can't treat minorities like second-class citizens. It was done with blacks (albeit they suffered through more violence). Now, homosexuals are facing a similar uphill battle for their rights. Keep fighting! I may live long enough to witness the dawning of a new era...an era in which EVERYONE is guaranteed rights.

    battle rights fighting live witness dawning era era guaranteed rights
  • Gregourii 2010/08/09 20:43:13
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    Gregourii
    +2
    So much for conservative ideals... he must be a progressive.
  • Albert 2010/08/09 20:33:54
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    Albert
    +1
    These are ALL inarguable points all brought out in the cases heard against Proposition H8. These are basic human rights guaranteed under the US Consititution. any other argument against is baseless and only encouched in ignorant religious dogma and falsehood. Even the very religious proponents of Prop H8 finally acceded that they have NO basis to support their position. The SCOTUS has to follow the same inarguable logic. Religion cannot supercede human rights. It is good when Conservatives see the light on this issue.
  • den 2010/08/09 20:30:43
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    den
    +4
    conservative means for one thing to preserve tradional values..
  • Mike 2010/08/09 20:13:01 (edited)
    No, Ted Olson has lost his mind.
    Mike
    +1
    Looking from a Conservative Christian opinion!

    What has happened with same-sex marriage, as it began in many state's and threatens to spread across the country, we've seen in its wake the loss of religious freedoms and the ability to speak out based upon one's moral convictions.

    "So-called 'same-sex' marriage is counterfeit marriage. Marriage is, and has always been, between a man and a woman. We know that it's in the best interest of children to be raised with a mother and a father. To use children as guinea pigs in radical San Francisco-style social experimentation is deplorable."
  • Albert Mike 2010/08/09 20:36:24
    Albert
    +4
    Freedom of religion is the freedom to WORSHIP not persecute and discriminate. Your perception of marriage is only 2,000 years old, not 5,000 or 8,000 like many other cultures tha have lasted longer than ANY Christian culture so far.
  • Gregourii Albert 2010/08/09 20:44:59
    Gregourii
    hey, maybe the people that persecute people who want to preach the good word of religions should remember that!
  • Mike Albert 2010/08/09 20:52:15 (edited)
    Mike
    +2
    That sir,what I stated is my opinion and you have yours. You have a right to believe what you desire to believe and so do I.
  • Mark Mike 2010/08/09 22:47:10
    Mark
    +1
    Actually, there have been many same-sex families who treat their kids better than most heterosexual couples. So, your claim that a family HAS to have a mother and a father to be in the best interest of children is absolutely, completely, and deplorably false.
  • Mike Mark 2010/08/10 13:14:30
    Mike
    Wrong. Millions of heterosexual would prove you wrong. I am sure there are many same sex family's that abuse their children........who really knows the facts? Its unnatural and despicable.
  • Mark Mike 2010/08/10 21:19:23
    Mark
    +1
    It's unnatural... So, all of those animals in the wild in same-sex relationships are unnatural. Well, I don't know what's more natural than nature, but I guess you have some strange definition of "nature". Good luck in your close-minded view of the world.
  • Mike Mark 2010/08/11 13:38:12 (edited)
    Mike
    Wow comparing humans to 4 legged animals! without the capability of reason.

    Good luck in your close-minded immoral view of the world.

    wow comparing humans animals luck close-minded moral view world
  • Mark Mike 2010/08/12 03:25:25
    Mark
    +1
    That's what you homophobes try to use in your argument against homosexuality. It's either that it's unnatural or that it's against the Bible, which one is false, and the other is either true or false depending on which Bible you read. Of course, the Biblical stance is a pointless one, anyway, because not everyone believes in the Bible.

    It's nice that you found a picture of yourself.
  • Albert Mike 2010/10/02 11:08:51
    Albert
    +1
    Wow, discussing morality based on a comic book of stories plaigirized from trons of older cultures, about a fictional being that doesn't exist, talk about rationale!!!
  • Albert Mike 2010/10/02 11:07:11
    Albert
    +1
    HUMANS do the two MOST unatural things; wearing clothes and PRACTICING RELIGION. Since 80 percent of child abuse cases involve families or family members, that gives ya a pretty good clue, now, doesn't it? Remember the "Who" song about the "UNCLE" molesting Tommy?
  • Bear 2010/08/09 20:06:15
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    Bear
    +1
    keep the government out of the private lives of individuals.....pure libertarianism.
  • Mr. Smith 2010/08/09 19:57:35
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    Mr. Smith
    +7
    There are many different types of conservatives, so the answers here are too generalized and misleading. The real question is whether this is constitutional, since that's where this is eventually heading, the Supreme Court. Olsen makes a very good argument that this ruling was indeed a constitutional ruling, which is exactly why we have a judicial branch, to protect the rights of the minority. If we only allow the people to rule, then all we have is a Democracy (mob rule)......but if we protect the rights of all citizens equally through our constitution and our bill of rights, then that's what we call a Republic. Majority rules only if the majority is not denying the God given rights of others.
  • bosch Mr. Smith 2010/08/09 20:57:08
    bosch
    +1
    Nicely put!
  • holly g... Mr. Smith 2010/08/09 23:44:19
    holly go lightly
    +1
    So many raves I wish i could give you.
  • jesusf*ckingchrist™ 2010/08/09 19:10:23
    Yes, same-sex marriage is conservative.
    jesusf*ckingchrist™
    +13
    Oh noes! The conservatives are having their right to trample other people's rights trampled.

    Oh, the humanity.
  • trentin... jesusf*... 2010/08/09 19:55:20
    trentinafur
    +1
    :-D I really am laughing out loud....at your comment, and your nick....

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